I've been running a 560-V for the past few years. Amazing machine, user friendly and unique tool management. Very user friendly and great support. The thru coolant pin is easy to replace with the tool, just keep one ahead :-)
I run 2 Okuma MB4000H with a 32 pallet crane Fastems system, and the Okumas are work horses. Love them. HAAS is great, it’s the machine that’s perfect for teaching with, the Okuma is just a nice step up from it. Great purchase, look forward to seeing this machine making parts for you
Ran Okumas for years. Great machines, they're absolute beasts. Not sure if this machine has thermal compensation but, the ones I ran did. Never had to offset the z throughout the day from thermal growth
Now your starting to get some really good equipment. Real high speed machining with high material removal rates, completely dialed in mechanical and electronic components. If you get a real post that posts super nurbs. Your mind is going to be blown away. Also consider using metric increments to take advantage of the extra resolution it can make a difference on larger machines.
Just got one of these machines at work yesterday. It’s the 50 taper version and not sure what other options they went with but I’m pretty excited to get to run it!
Love running okuma machines. Super solid all around. Especially doing Injection mold work. Would love to see more on where that sky hook is mounted to. Where I work we need a movable cart that could have a sky hook with ballast on it to get heavy workpieces in and out of machines.
I run a 660 aswell, cat50 tho. the chip augers are too small and jam quite often, I have it set to run on NC start which helps. Otherwise beautiful machine. The thrupin is kind of a pain but not a big deal, slightly expensive.
Okuma M660-V i just on another level VS any of the Haas machines you currently have. Just simple stuff like the TSC coolant, HAAS takes a good 4-5 seconds to activate IF it even works at all without erroring out.
John thanks for sharing your new machine! I worked in field service for a few years and now work for a big manufacture in aerospace as a machine repair mechanic. Can you give me some insight to your experience with working with service in your various machines? Also I tried to meet you at IMTS in 2016 in Chicago but somehow I missed you at the coffee shop during our meet up! I have been enormously impressed in your success and would love to own a shop one day. Thank you for sharing your experiences!!
Thanks, Kevin! Honestly, service hasn't been much of an issue. We've mostly had Haas machines to date and our HFO has been great (the few times we've needed them).
Will be interesting to hear the long term analysis of this machine vs the Haas machines. I know the Okuma is in the lights out production beast category of machines.
we have 3 460vs and two mu5000s i get to run. love okumas user interface. so easy to get into the trade when you train on something so user friendly and familiar.
My Multus 4000 needs a bloody 700mm concrete slab AND piles another 500mm - IF the soil is bad, fingers cross that its better when the foundation work starts in the new industry location we gonna move into coming august. Its 17 tons, but my god... they have speced the foundation to last through a bloody war or something.
It wasn't long ago you were telling Grimsmo not to get too big of a shop, and that you guys were only using half of the shop. Looks like you're running out of space! Grimsmo is also running out of space it seems. You guys are awesome, keep up the great work!
We had a Okuma LT200 on 3 inches at our old shop, I believe its even heavier than a 660, never had any issues. Also I'm not sure about Myfran, but MP and Okuma's link really well, I know ours send specific alarms to the machine.
Knowing what you know now would you still have bought the same machines in particular would you have still started with the VM3 and all the options you got for that machine
We rebuild 200k lb steel mill roll grinders and only have 6" concrete floors. Now we do regularly run into issues so dont get me wrong its not acceptable. We had one machine about 300k lbs between machine and roll weight that eventually managed to crack the floor all the way around. More commonly we will chase leveling a machine for days or occasionally weeks as the floor moves underneath. These machines typically are only here for a year or less and are only operational for a few weeks however they still can hit tenths tolerances during that time. So in short yes manufacturers tend to be way overkill on foundations. Our sharp manual mill (like a bridgeport series 2) calls for like 2 ft of concrete under it which is crazy.
There's a lot of things that go into that foundation, I suspect most manufacturers just give a solid value that will work no matter what the ground consistency is. IE: is your building on sand or bedrock. That said, the cheapo small stuff, yeah it's probably overkill with what a customer will do (depending on how hard you're going to push the machine). However with some of the larger boys (MCRs, MUs, Multus's, MAs, MBs), you really shouldn't skimp on the foundation. Went to service/ PM a MCR in WI, the company makes lathe beds on this thing. They spent something like $2mil on the foundation. 5 years after, the machine is STILL square (which in the X-Y is a mind boggling .001mm/m), and has a .005mm/m dip in the level near the actual column (this thing's travel is 30m, with a 10m bed, in the X). There's another double column I heard about that the company skimped on the foundation, and rushed getting the machine in. iirc the columns sank about 0.005", and leaned over quite heavily (accuracy wise, not structurally). TL;DR: if you machine is thicc, and expensive, buy it a good home.
@@orangedream267 when our machines go to their final home they get a proper isolation pad foundation. Typically there will be a the foundation will be a i beam reinforced concrete block, a layer of super stiff springs, and then a final i beam reinforced block for a final thickness sometimes approaching 20ft. All of this is with a special vibration dampening concrete. The entire assembly is completely detached from the surrounding shop floor. One of our past customers had 2 roll grinders. The older one was just on the shop floor ours was on an isolation pad. A freight train track was right outside the shop. Anytime a train came bad the older machine had to be stopped because the vibrations would transfer into the roll being ground meanwhile ours could keep running without any issue. We don't so the foundation work we partner up with another company that comes in and measures up the machine and starts the foundation work while we build the machine.
I work on a M560-V. I look forward to your videos on the Okuma. 1. Could you talk about the table and possibly a mounting work holding system that you might use on it? 2. Can you share the air nozzle holder you 3d printed? I really hate hanging ours every where lol
I hang mine on the door. Eric Sun and I of Orange Vise designed a subplate for the 560 utilizing their zero point system. Its very cost effective if it meets your needs. I can fit 18 small vises on the table without removing my tool touch probe or the 4th axis.
Hey buddy, it is quite expensive machine. Are'nt there any other machines in the market that you found? Man! It is a shear beauty though! I checked it, it is worth $240,000! And will it pay its price, business wise, I mean. BTW, I worked as a Teaching Assistant for Manufacturing Processes class at UIowa thrice. Thanks.
instead of that small dinky led light you should had gotten some Glorie IP67 230V LED Strip in the tool room/space of the machine ( one tour around the side or all around the top and you could see everything promiss ) you may need a 110v to 230v adaptor though
@@frp1276 sadly no. specially since i live in erup. but i remember from one of my former work places in our brother mills there where like no light at all so we installed that around the top and it got leaks better ( this was a old machine i might add )
@@frp1276 Where are you located? Some of the Okuma machine distributors sell LED lighting kits for machines. I can put you in touch depending on where you are at.
@@frp1276 You might ask the dealer that you bought your M560 from. I'm most familiar with the Okuma dealer Hartwig Inc. I pretty sure they sell and install LED lights on all brands of machines.
I saw this machine and as you talked about the harmonics of differnt brand equipment i thought: I would be very interested about your guys current state and planning about digital technology in your company. Things like parts, tool and stock management. Do you still use USB drives on a regular bases... ? Not that it is bad, like every system has it's flaws but also the new ones... ;D I would be very interested if such medium sized company lik yours, could quickly manage all the complexity increase that a software and conection technology upgrade brings.
7:00 what if you let the machine run a large program through the night and its still running when the warmup begins? Does the machine finish the running program and then start the warmup program or what?
Of all the wonderful content you've created this has me the most excited. I have been looking seriously into the 560 later this year. So excited when I saw you invested in one. Any chance you would be sharing the post process? Or any recommendations where to source one? Perhaps a folder of stuff for those who subscribed to your paid service. Regardless thanks so much for sharing anything and everything about the Okuma :)
@@frp1276 That would be amazing!! I'm actually hoping to receive the 560 by the end of October. As an exclusively Haas owner up to this point I will have questions I'm sure. :)
>tells you what to do and when to do it Nah, it tells you when to ignore it, and when the service guys come in to fix a fuckup. And when questions are asked, the service guys can get an idea of what was ignored. Source: did pms and service on many Okumas. There was a looooot of ignored maintenance warnings.
Got to ask why are all these American machine shops buying foreign CNC machines... Does America not have anyone who makes CNC machines Only reason I ask this is because I hear alot of talk on different channels about bringing production back to America but everyone seems to use Chinese made machines Surely America has the ability create their own CNC machines