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When I buy my redwoods, I go by base diameter, rather than height (bcoz I cannot measure their height accurately). I won't even consider any diameter below 30' :-)
love that advice to get smaller plants. my granddad was a great gardener. the best advice he ever gave me for picking out plants was to ignore the temptation to buy the plant covered in flowers. instead he said to pick out plants that are getting ready to flower, where the best is yet to come. go for something that hasn't lost its chance to be a great plant by being in a smaller pot for too long. it's such good advice to go for smaller plants. not runty or showing signs of problems, just smaller and healthy. thanks for the videos dude, i always enjoy them.
Yeah, I agree. The smaller the tree in the pot, the better shape of the root system growing. When they are small, the trees' root system can extend further around, instead of tangle in a lobe in the case of big trees. I think we can amend the bigger trees ' roots by cut around the pots then straight out the roots. It would help, but even this method is not very useful when the roots already bounced seriously inside the pots.
So much truth to this. Living in South Florida this hits home to me. I have planted numerous 3 gallon fruit trees in the yard and in about a year with proper tipping and pruning they look great and should be great producers in the coming years!
Love the honesty,Pete. Most people would probably want to make more money selling a bigger tree even though it's not the best choice for the customer OR the tree.
Spring Hill is beautiful. Some of the most perfect beaches with wildlife still intact, swimming with dolphins, sting rays...one of the best sushi places, located there. This content is priceless and certainly informative.
Great video, Pete. These are my favorite kinds of videos that you make. I love when you talk about your experiences, and what you look for in trees you're buying. I'm about to plant a couple of trees out in my yard tomorrow, and I SO appreciate the reinforcement for doing nothing in the holes I've dug for them.
In the spring when the ground is soaked, we can pull out of the ground a 4,5,6 foot root on a tiny tiny elm sapling along a pathway. The taproot on a tree is very important, and a tree starts with the taproot, unless the tree is transplanted, it's so vital for the tree. We've had many transplanted trees die due to surface conditions, things like a drought year, or a flood year, or details of the surface soil, things that wouldn't matter as much if the tree was intact as it is when it grows from seed in one spot.
One of the trees I bought from you like a month ago was a starfruit. I planted it soon after and the thing has 7 fruits on it. I thought the dragon fruit I got was kinda Charlie Brown Xmas tree looking but boy was I wrong, it is growing crazy! Oh and I won't even mention the Jack fruit, I can see the growth from when I leave for work and when I get home.
The way I see it, I can buy 3 different trees for the price of one bigger one. I agree though, I have seen this with mango trees, a big tree, has a harder time establishing itself once planted in the ground, while one in a 1-3 gallon pot, takes off right away. that tap root, makes its way deep down, I think it will be more drought tolerant in the long run.
Oh, a larger Jaboticaba my dream tree. Butterfly World down here has them in an aviary with small colorful finches, little button quail and some hummingbirds. Their beautiful little branches are perfect in an aviary like that too.
Starting a new food forest right now and this video was great! 3 years ago we moved to FL and bought a large mango. It still hasn’t fruited🤦🏼♀️. But the smaller avocado trees and small fig have all fruited and grown so much faster than the big mango! Buying all small trees this time around AND buying a lot more knowing fruit won’t start for 2-3 years.
Its nice to see business people who actually care about people and not just the profit! So thank you for what you do and I hope it continues for a long time to come!
While that's true, it's not even good business for most nurseries to sell them big. The reason they are so expensive is because there is a lot fo cost involved in keeping them in pots so long in terms of space, time and expenditures. I'm sure there are exceptions, but most nurseries would love to sell everything they produce at small sizes to free up room for the next batch. But not every tree gets sold when it was intended to be sold, so instead of eating the loss they'll repot them and hope somebody wants the big tree.
Todd's Tropicals Me too, my mind just wondered to the first time I saw a Jaboticaba. And I only tasted one fruit and was hooked. Need a larger Jaboticaba for “science”, as David The Good would say about those more expensive but beloved fruit trees. Wondering if Lychee trees would be in the same category of investing in a larger tree to get fruit sooner?
good advice, thanks. I'm just really getting started on my little grove here in Spring Hill. I've been watching your videos since before I moved to Florida and I must say I'm quite excited to finally get stuff planted.
Great video Pete! But damn that instant gratification can be tempting! My nana always said that about small plants growing better; so it seems to be the same with cold hardy plants too.
Hey Pete,‼️ I’d like some info on tipping plants and how to prune plants. I grow lots of Mulberry, Surinam cherry, Barbados cherry, and avocados. I focus on edibles mostly, is there any sources books, etc... Or maybe some videos on proper pruning techniques to make our plants stronger, fuller, and bare more fruit. Thanks! Love your channel and content. Keep on growing on Bro! 👍💪
Ed Parchment I found the Barbados at a nursery called Valkaria Gardens. The Surinam cherry I found one growing in Vero Beach and gathered up a bunch of cherries and planted the seed. Now I just take cuttings from both to make more plants.
A lot of the big box store garden centers don't have small trees, just the big ones for the most part. A nursery is probably a better option for selection, and the prices are comparable. Star fruit trees are amazing. I bought one that wasn't as tall as me, and it shot up like a rocket in weeks. It's about 25 feet tall now, and it's been about 7 years. Star fruit trees are so prolific you might almost be sorry you got it. I understand that the seeds sprout easily also, but I've not tried that.
I just planted 2 Elderberry's that you shipped to me when this situation happened. They grew in small pots and already 3 feet tall. One is bushy and the other one lengthy. Planted straight into native Florida Soil. Great Advice and information as always.
I agree 💯! Not only in trees also in plants like tomatoes. If you plant a small plant it will surpass a larger plant and end up larger and stronger and produce more fruit!
Thanks bud. I appreciate it. I planted 500 18-24" black walnuts and they cost me 700$. If I had purchased 5 year saplings at 36-48" I would have spent 2200$
Thanks for the info! Same can also be said about the vegetable plants, especially tomatoes -- many sell them in big containers -- 2 to 3 feet high plants! I would rather buy a 6-pack -- I know, I know its better to grow them yourselves from seeds, but once I am there, I cannot resist buying a few of those 6-packs! :-)
My small pot trees have all outperformed the big pot trees once in the ground. It's so obvious its not even up for dispute. I watched this year's ago and took the advice. 🤙
Interesting points. Thank you for sharing. I think you would make this video clips even better with filming around to let us check out on your fruit trees. Between the points, sharing your particular experiences with the specific fruit trees. If possible, let us know about the prices too. We would rather check on the plants than looking up close to your face in the entire clip.
Get a two year old one and be patient then! 😂. Fruit trees aren't very long lived, and fruit production reduces when they get older (espt with plums). Wild cherries only really love to about 60 years
Wow just found your Channel and subbed little brother. So glad I watched this I won't be doing anything to the soil and just top dressing like you said. Got some fruit trees coming. Great advice thanks and greeting from the Mississippi gulf coast 👍 !!!
In FL, yes. In climates where the ph is high, and or winter to deal with, mature is usually better because most customers are not equipped to baby a young plant.
When I go to big box stores if I see small fruit trees with fruit I take it off and throw it in the dirt , I like to think I’m helping someone out and the tree itself!
What you say makes sense in the ideal environment with lots of rain and humidity. If you are trying to grow in a different climate such as in a dry mediterranean one there is benefit to starting with a bigger tree. Smaller trees that you are advocating would get decimated in dry heat even if cared for and with shade cloth. Whereas larger trees I have found are much more resilient because the drying winds don't affect them that much.
I would say this hits home for bushes too. I bought a few blueberry bush and the bushes that game in the 2 gallon pot and the 3 gallon pots have barely grown while the bushes in the quart soil are around the same size as the 2 gallon pot at this point. They are not as thick but they are the same size. I am sure by the end of the year the stems will be just as thick.
That's been my experience too, to a point. There does seem to be a minimum size that plants need to be babied to. If you plant before that you really need to be on top of keeping weeds off them and keeping an eye out for pests because a few weeks without attention can be enough to seriously stunt or even kill them. But in general when I plant small trees and large ones from last season at the same time in 2-3 years time the smaller one has overtaken the big one and is doing better.
I just visited your website and about died at your list of plants available! Incredible 29 varieties of bananas and mangos!!! i'm so excited to move to Florida even more. What if your native soil totally sucks like caliche or just super sandy, what would be an affordable mix to make it better? I like the top dressing idea that makes a lot of sense.
Thanks! Continually adding new varieties and species to the plant list. We find tree mulch as the key to building soil in Florida. It is typically free and readily available.
It's really is because of the roots, 100%. Something I have learnt doing hydroponic growing of veggies. Seedling starts growing on top slowly, but underneath the roots go nuts, and then boom, out of nowhere, the plant decides its time for leaf growth. I have seen everything from pumpkins, capsicums, even a lemon seed I did as a joke follow the same pattern. Roots develop first. You can see it most in annual veggie seedlings, you plant them and for weeks doesn't look like much growth and then they just lurch forward. All our fruit trees we got from a local company, as they are fruit salad ones, and they came really small for this reason, but our summer has sucked this year, I mean I have the heater on a few times this last week and we normally have nice 30-35C+ days lol. So they have not had much growth.
Nice video Pete, I agree, I have had very bad experience with older trees (2 years or older). They are filled with fertilizers and when I plant them in soil, they need 2-3 years to start growing normally. Before that they hardly grow. They are also extremely impossible to train/prune when young. Training a young tree is very important and deciding on tree shape and health. Older trees are not trained, they are only maintained in size. These older saplings like to die back when pruned the way you prune a young one. So I am not buying and old saplings anymore, although there are a few exceptions as you mentioned Pete.
Totally agree--small is the way to go except for very slow growing trees. Big container trees are generally unhealthy and root bound and slowly decline. My 3 gallon always beat out the 15 gallon within a year or 2.
So agree...learned this a long time ago. In addition, don't necessarily buy the largest plant it may be root bound, as well as some girdling roots. Look for shape & health. A smaller tree, well prepped & planted, will adapt better with less overall root damage--and, as you have well said, established more easily & faster.
My Christmas loquat fruit was great. The squirrels allowed me a couple. It's planted up the hill by my abandoned hottub that's full of frogs and lilies andstuff. It only gets rain water and frog water when needed. No amendments. It's a loquat.
Great topic. So true! Old Pasco Hillsborough citrus grower here.. we planted sticks.. easier to protect in a freeze..once those roots got down they Blew Up! A lot easier to simply replace underperformers while they're still small.. can't get too sentimental about the runts of the litter.. they're not puppies ha ha. Also nice to cull untasty fruiters before you've invested a lot.
Hey David! Thanks for sharing your experience. Have you been keeping up with any of the new research on citrus greening? I’ve had a few clients reach out trying new experimental groves.
@@PeteKanarisGreenDreamsFL looking into the latest. Over time, I'm not alone in noticing how citrus under oaks is clean of greening. Although supposedly a host for the psyllid vector, interplanted guava seems to draw the greening away from citrus. My guess is that rather than singular "magic bullets", good ol' biodiversity, interplanting and yes, "weeds" are -as usual- the answer, at least for smaller growers. Love your work, Pete; this part of Florida was always a transitional belt, now in transitional times, and your efforts to decipher what works here are invaluable !
Sharing my experience here to affirm and agree with Pete's advice and experience on this video. And, in general I might add "he knows his "what's growin' on" business". My experience/opinion is from being a designer and with 35+ years' experience with Intentional Communities, Landscapes, Swimming Pools, Ponds, Lakes, Greenhouses, Orchards, most anything outdoors, in many states from the Pacific Northwest, to Florida, to Southern California and Hawaii. The first 1-3 pruning cuts you make on a fruit tree will help determine it's future branching structure, it's ability to support fruit loads, how easy it is to maintain, spray, harvest, etc. Trees, in general, that are encouraged to spread their roots into and adapt to the native soil will do best. That encompasses selecting the right tree/variety for the environment so, in support of those like Pete who study this, while it's fun to "DIY" and experience "the learning curve" there is a value in having professional help. This includes drainage, irrigation, plant selection, and the "what to put where" of things with structures and gardens. Great video here, good information and great to see so much public interest in things more sustainable and friendly for our Planet! Go Pete!
I always take your advice and it always works...ain't your first rodeo huh...but dayam it's hard, but you get used to it, the proof is in the growth...thanks...!
you are right! well, i started by planting the seeds..need lot of patience and time but in the end when trees bear fruits just how words cant explain the feelings..SubhanAllah...
Agree. Buying big fruit trees only good if you want to keep it in pots. If you put it in the ground, they will sit for long long time until they have better roots system
What? I'm the first commenter? Cool. Anyhow, I didn't know about NOT putting the nutrient in the hole before you put the plant in. I will start doing as you say. I'm going to make an appointment to go over to your side of the state in another month or so and make an order & pick-up. Need more trees. LOL
I haven’t had a real turpentine mango since I was a kid, everyone has the fancy ones now. Even then, the Hayden mangoes were the big deal. I love the taste of the Turpentine! So sweet and I’m one of the few people I’ve heard of that likes pulling thru the fiber near the seed to get the sweet juice ;) Call me crazy! I guess all the mangoes today are started on Turpentine stock.
I live in Maine , my sons bought me a peach tree that looks to be 7 years old at least. it has peaches on it. we don't know if we should tie it up or not. it's bending already, but i watcched my friends peach tree grow for 7 years and the branches broke when it yeilded fruit, even tho it was young when he planted it.
Thin the fruit to avoid breaking branches. Remove the fruit from thin weak branches and from the ends of branches too weak to hold the fruit. Thinning the fruit early on will also provide better quality fruit
This is what I been saying and telling everybody there is a lot of con artist exotic nursery salesman that only sale in big pots and they buy from other nurseries and re pot it just to sell at a higher price. Also any trees that can be sold bare-root buy bare root I bought a huge cherry in a pot from a fluke saler Bonita Creek Tropical Nursery in San Diego paid $60 for one tree 5 years ago doing like crap while I bought a bare-root same variety last year different nursery, planted in ground right away it has out grown that tree and only paid $25
Pete: About 30 years ago a friend who sold a unique tree guard he invented (brand name: Blue Shield) told me buying/planting nursery saplings was a waste of money. He clamed planting seeds with "Blue Shield" would stimulate growth extremely fast, adjust to the native soil better than seedlings, and over take large transplants within 1-3 years. I asked about watering. He told me some seeds need to be revisited and watered. I don't remember the details. Was he correct? What's your opinion on the Growasis? They provide constant water (for about a year), sun filter, animal protection and ground cover. I wouldn't buy one without the filter which is sold separate. I believe the filter was an afterthought and a big mistake not to include automatically, even integrate into the original design. What's your guess or do you have first hand knowledge?
I bought a Groasis, but not a Growbox. It's pretty big and sturdy, re-useable but a little more expensive than the compostable Growbox. But I don't live in a aird/desert area, so I didn't get the chance to really try it out - was worried about mosquitoes, etc where I live. It was one of those projects that I didn't get around to trying out somewhere in an arid climate with the right tree combos and some swales :) If someone has the budget and the right project, then it seems like something to look into. It might be truly a way to re-vegetate some arid land.