I think if you want to do gaming at 4k you should most likely not turn on RT unless you have a top end card like a 4080 super or a 7900xtx , leave resolution upscaling off and you will have a good experience in high resolution. I mean you are turning on RT on a card that is mid range at 4k which is really next gen.
Playing Hellblade 2 with RT On works well on the 4070 SUPER and the game looks great on the 4K screen even using DLSS Balanced. I don't see why I shouldn't enjoy all the effects if I have the option to do so.
Fsr upscaling is my biggest problem with radeon cards. They provide good raw performance for the money, but upscaling is only an option for nvidia and intel cards.
@@Jakiyyyyy we'll talk when it's out and game developers actually start putting it in their games. I'm still baffled by the fact that Horizon Forbidden West used FSR 2.2 in 2024. That is unacceptable.
I have 3 main gpu’s right now i use a 4090, 3080ti and a 7900xtx. While i love all the cards the xtx has a couple games that crash or wont run for some reason i don’t get that on the nvidia gpu’s but i still enjoy the xtx its a nitro card and one of my favorite looking gpu’s. I had issues with the 5700xt and radeon vii but they eventually got worked out especially the black screen problem. Im the dummy who will buy both teams top tier cards every time one comes out. But I never sell anything which is should but i like collecting gpu’s and cpu’s. I used to be an intel only guy but now I’m all in on amd cpu’s. The last desktop chip from intel i bought was a 9900ks but i have a laptop with a 13900hx. Still amazed on how powerful laptop cpu’s has become in the last 3 years. But the cpu that made me go to only amd was the 5950x. Then I picked up a 5800x3d. And my 2 newest builds have a 7950x3d (4090) and the xtx with a 7800x3d.
AMD did put a lot of pressure on Intel to improve CPUs. I hope that one day AMD can be that competitive with NVIDIA. They would've been if FSR wasn't such a mess.
Nvidia points 1.dlss 2.raytracing 3.productivity 4.efeciency 5.resale value Amd points 1.vram 2.price 3.driver Nvidia wins by 2 points Performance dif is not noticeble in bothcards
AMD points: driver? Most likely Radeon cards will obsolete faster. Even Nvidia with 1GB VRAM still receives latest driver support until now compared to Polaris and Vega graphics wicis more capable GPUs. 🤷♀
I still believe that the Midrangs cards are subpar; they are not strong enough to be considered great, and they are too expensive to be considered amazing value. I believe that the 4070 Super TI 16GB or 7900 XTX, which are reasonably priced at 700.00 or 800.00, with an open box or refurbished condition sale, are the best options. While I acknowledge the current value of these cards, I find the midrange to be lacking in practical utility. If you were considering scaling, you could opt for a more affordable option, as these cards don't significantly elevate your competitiveness in a new class.
Nice video, iVadim. 👍. In regards to vram overflow when using frame generation with 4070 super, another youtuber identified the problem as being related to using the fullscreen setting instead of exclusive fullscreen. It seems to be a game bug. Cheers!
@@riichobamin7612 I was in the same boat as you. I decided for the 4070 super, with my setup and graphic preferences, i do like to max out settings and the performance is good when i enable ray tracing, and so far with some of my games that i play i've had no issues with VRAM or raytracing performance. If you want to use RT an upscaling go for NVIDIA, if you don't care about any of that go for the 7900 GRE :)
Lets face it, you are not enabling ray tracing unless you have a 4080. Dlss is nice though not support in all games. Hard choice but i would pick a 16gb card. If you can afford the 4070ti super, definitely get that. Current games are filling up the 12gb vram already.
This is a good video and it's a great example to show off Nvidia's strengths or AMD's weaknesses. I want to make a unbiased comment though. If you are purchasing AMD.... you likely already know it's weaknesses, especially ray tracing and FSR. Therefore, I wouldn't even consider this level of a card for 4k with AMD because you have to rely on FSR too much. It is way better to go 1440p where you get very similar visuals and won't need FSR at all.
Thanks! I appreciate your feedback.🤝 The 1440p topic deserves a separate video. And it's in my plans to make it soon. I keep a 1440p monitor exactly for this purpose.🙂
@@theivadim keep in mind that a lot of people play on TV's those 1440p images actually get scaled up to 4k by the TV. It's a good point to bring up in your video.
I really dont care about the new games coming out they are just demanding for little visual quality boost games so i dont really need to use fsr or any upscaling
Use XESS instead of FSR. For some reason each of the scalers have been set with different sharpen levels. FSR and XESS have built in sharpen and DLSS does not so games usually have an external setting hidden or otherwise. For Ghost and Hellblade it's hidden for some reason. Ghost of Tsushima settings are found in system registry. If you enable XESS in launcher or game you can see the UpscaleSharpness setting. I set mine to 1, but could you tell me what DLSS default is?
That is too much for such GPUs🙂 Not enough ray tracing compute power. As you see from Hellblade 2, these GPUs barely make the cut to run regular ray tracing.
100%. I don't know if I'll be able to get my hands on all SKUs but I'll do my best to cover as many as I can. New GPUs is what get me excited more than anything😄
@@kenshirogenjuro873 well to be fair, I switched to making this kind of content only several months ago. Who knows if I had plans to pivot this channel into another direction once more😀 But I love what I do now and I'll do everything in my power to make sure that I have resources and right opportunities to keep doing it.
Also in Ghost of Tsushima, did you try AMD FSR 3 with DLSS set to Quality ? I have a RTX3070ti Laptop GPU (which performs like a desktop RTX3060ti) and I get around 70-90 fps in 1440p High with very good graphics and details if I use AMD FSR 3 with DLSS Quality.
Sacrilege!😂 But if we are serious - yes, it works fine. I just don't like the visual quality hit of FSR frame generation. I prefer using a more aggressive DLSS mode to get more FPS.
I ignored Nvidia GPU´s for the price, and for dlss because only one featue dont worth the price Nvidia GPU´s, besides when i am playng a game i dont realy stare at detail all the time to see mini imperfections, i just play and enjoy. On Ghost of Tsushima i do realy think FSR3 (i use separete FSR3 MOD) and is better implanted in game than Nvidia Dlss. Same with Horizon Forbiden west. AMD fsr3 mod is better in game. I dont know what people think, but always whethever it is put Nvidia on top even if with lower performance and much expencive price just because of a featute like dlss, i just can´t understand, over AMD that is more inovating company, always updating AMD features . Minds!!!!
@@pedrobastos7383 You can spread the myth of Nvidia has ''lower performance'', most people people aren't that dumb to believe and will still buy Nvidia. 90 fps with DLSS is not lower performance compared to 55 fps native, it's a much better experience. And all the games will include dlss, so why even bother with AMD on that fact alone. Maybe that mod worked better than dlss frame gen in those games, i don't know, havn't tried them. But the upscaling part is far worse with FSR and that's the point here. And oh btw DLSS is not the only feature, you live under a rock.
if you love splinter cell conviction and gta 4 then just stay away from amd radeon gpu because these two games are not properly optimised for radeon gpu's
Just dont care about ray tracing even with a 4090 it takes up too much performance. But i did go from a 4k 120hz oled tv to a 3440x1440 oled 240hz ultrawide monitor and its not as demanding so I can run higher framerate but pixel density is down from the 4k tv but looks great in games
This is the reason i went nvidia.. yes raw performance and price is good on amd but its really all the other stuff as well.. and me personally, if the game has been utilizing some tech, i also use it.. cos, why not? I think the price premium, although bad, really leaves no choice.. so amd has to step up and release their krakens
How does it work better on nvidia? Im not sure you know how fsr works because if anything it works better on amd cards. Anyways congrats on the 4070 super though. Both gpus are great options and it all comes down to personal preference. In my case I went with the 7900 GRE.
rather than using amd/nvida frame gen "lossless scaling" is far better both of them without artifacts, when I tried Elden Ring with amd afmf I experience so much tearing, but Lossless scaling make 60fps buttery smooth without screen tearing.
I guess it depends on the game. Lossless Scaling struggles with HUD elements big time. There's other visual issues as well. But it works well in some games. So, it's great that we have access to such software.
i only care about raw performance so 7900gre is my choice however if i wanted to have dlss and ray tracing i wouldnt go under the 4070 ti super 16gb. the 4070 super 12 gb vram is just not enough unless i turn down settings in some games which is pointless.
@@anassmsallem1977 Stupid how? Dlss has better anti aliasing than taa/smaa/smaa2x etc. Frame generation smoothes out ur game. If you actually used it on high refresh you'll understand why its amazing.
@@mosesdavid5536 fg does smooth but at the cost of response time and if you use high refresh rate which is mostly for competitive esports fg is useless. Anti aliasing doesn't justify the price premium dlss demands high detail resolution and pure performance matter more also nvidia gpu's use more cpu power as they age due to driver overhead. Unless you are a creator that uses blender AMD offer the better value.
Man tomorrow i will take my 7900gre back to shop cuz its un usable nonstop driver time out horrible i crashes i guess i got faulty one also all amd drivers are great but last one seems like people hate a special the people who bought 7000 series gpus have this issue.
I have a rx 7900 XT and the latest driver is great and my OC has been very stable as well. Sounds like you got a faulty GPU. It happens, been there done that nonsense lol Hope you didn't get it from Newegg cause good luck with the return.
@@coryjames4294 nahh i love europe and there you dont even need to say whats wrong with cart just return it in 14 days of purchase and done i have cart for 4 Days only but cart was bad i have no isse whats could cause this problém so i just return it but i dont know what to do cuz even in games i noticed that there was shimering even tho cart was at def setinngs all stuff off i double chcek plus i dit clean instal of win and DDU and no change do i dit what all People should i and i returned to store. Now i have to wait for 3 days so they return mé money on my bank account. But i cant decidet IF i go again with AMD just samé model but brand new or také more expensive option of Rtx 4070super from gigabyte also both those carts are Triple fan models from gigabyte and they look allmost the same. IF y can give mé tip what should i do at this point cuz im affraid to pick amd again cuz there multiplex People talking about how drivers of amd are great but many People. On internet are on roll back versions of drivers cuz stability issues. Lets say the cart was fault unit thats can happend but lest just see my specs. R9 3900x 32gb rám 3600mhz dual chanel tuf gaming x570-plus psu is seasonic focus 850watt 80plus gold and all stuff is on m.2ssd gen 4 all of them i replace them 3 months ago no issues there also fresh Windows instal win 11 64bit version plus is up to date also chipset and bios are up to date as well. And i add aditional 6x new noctua coolers chromax 3000rpm plus this coolers alone with controlor was sooooi expensive dammmmmnn cant belive i drop 350 eur for this but well another 220 for psu 400 for new ssd and now 640 for that gpu wich never worked also my good old CPU i repaste cuz its need it i use fresh thermal grizzy kryonaut and drop temps around 20 deg just perfect new CPU run at 55 deg at gaming perfection. So as you can see all my stuff was done cart or CPU was not overheat Ing just fine cart háve consuption around 270 to 330 watts quite high mutch higher than tdp for some reason maybe that was the reason. Soo now is the question should i buy another tíme samé model or give with Rtx 4070 super for 20 eur more?? Im bé glad for your answer even tho i know the amd will age perfectly im scared of it.
i would love to get the gre but electricity here costing like 40 cents per kwh basically forces me into the 4070 super cause its nearly 100 watts less of consumption
@@theivadim Germany. Our Infrastructure when it comes to utilities is completely fucked. Especially on the Countryside. My internet is a max of 25mbits as well. it's sad.
@@sam_awkward8149 that is slow speed. At least Starlink provides an alternative nowadays. So, there is no true monopoly on providing Internet service anymore. Have you considered Starlink?
Yeah. Poor upscaler is the only reason keeping AMD from properly competing with NVIDIA. I really hope they'll address this issue. I want to see better products from all the GPU makers: NVIDIA, AMD, Intel. And maybe some other new players (Qualcomm)🙂
@@Scott99259 true. There's rumours that AMD will move to similar to DLSS upscaling technique. Which would make a lot of sense since all GPUs have to have some kind of NPU capabilities nowadays. AI PC and all.
@@theivadim I don't think amd will make ML based fsr because amd gpu market share is pretty low.If amd make ml based fsr exclusive to rdna 3 and upcoming rdna 4 (because rdna 2 and below does not have dedicated ML cores) than game developers will hardly integrate it in any games.Look at the current condition of fsr 3 integration in games even with it working on all gpu's
About ghost of thusima Vram:I have 4080super and when i played for 3-4hours in 4K with DLAA/frame gen ON i run out of Vram and performance went to s**t. Friend with 4090 tells me game can eat up to 20GB Vram with framegen ON at 4K. Btw its not only that game. Same with other nixxes ports like new horizon.
This is total bulls**t, lmao. I have a 4070 Ti S, meanwhile my friend has a 4080 (both with the same 16GB of VRAM). We both played Tsushima for 7-8 hours a day and found none of the issues you mentioned. You’re just regular AMD fanboys pretending to own NVIDIA cards to badmouth them, but you fall apart when a real owner counters your argument.
@@theivadimLol, don't swallow the fake info. Remember, never trust an AMD fanboy online, especially when they talk about NVIDIA outside of traditional rasterization, the only thing AMD GPUs are good for.
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