C Programming Language | Brian Kernighan and Lex Fridman 

It’s so good! It can still be used for someone interested in writing in C.

painful for someone new to programming but yes best programming book ever written

Which is

Um... Which is?

Which is…

You earn those bro

Bruhh moment

Basically if you know those two languages then you don't need any other language, not because they are perfect or superior to modern languages but because they have existed for decades and most core technologies just happen to have been written in them

Except that C++ is bloated garbage

@@armincal9834 Dunno C is close to being a perfect language in my opinion. Not necessarily perfectly suited to every task - but perfect for what it is

Today's generation would never ever able to comprehend the exciting journey we've witnessed

@@anothermouth7077 lol ok boomer

@@stanleywhitehughes shut up you give us a bad reputation

@@billowen3285 yeah whatever, I was just replying to the fatuous statement that I've heard so many boomers recite.

He knows the answers to the stupid questions he is asking - he's just asking them for the listeners and wants to hear it from the man.. Do you believe lex would ask - 'what is awk?', 'what is grep?' because he doesn't know the answers.

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What type of stuff?

@@chayanroychoudhury3091 All kind of stuff but mostly machine learning, deep learning, computer vision targeting embedded systems.

@Mr Shikigami What do you mean by slow ? C runtime performance is the best ... Ah, if you mean the algorithm development process by itself: In my case, the actual time sinks are the data processing pipelines, more than the training hyper-parameters / network architecture optimizations, despite what all the fancy frameworks and Auto-ML guru want to make you believe. And to be fair, I am doing deep learning for real use-cases, not to beat the latest ImageNet benchmark by 0.2% accuracy point, so my needs differ quite a lot with those of researchers. So C is a very good language in that case (C++ is OK as well but those long compile times are a productivity killer for me).

@Mr Shikigami Short answers: 1. the same time and 2. no. I really don't know where you get this idea. To break it down at bit: 1. Overall, C and C++ runtime speed are equivalent, and they are the fastest out there. Faster than Java, way way faster than Python. 2. Now, when considering AI 'training' (the learning process). Nowadays, the heavy lifting is done on the GPU. For that, you use a GPU compute API, Cuda being by far the most popular for deep learning stuff. Cuda kernels can be embedded in C or C++ code. 3. When it comes to AI model deployment (i.e what the end-user actually gets), processing speed is very often crucial and you may not have access to powerful GPUs. In that case, you need to optimize the speed on the CPU. Again C or C++. All the state of the art inference engine are implemented in C or C++, and to be fair, the performances bottlenecks are often coded in assembly (or using specific CPU instruction sets). So, when it comes to speed, C and C++ are perfect tools for AI. C++ is used in majority because it's culturally dominant today. But C is also a very good choice. At the end, most of the AI frameworks have converged towards the same design: low-level code in C/C++ (where the real things happen) and high-level API in python to leverage its convenience. Hope it clears things up a bit.

@Mr Shikigami Sure, you could use Rust but the Rust AI ecosystem is almost non-existent. Best you can hope is to use some Rust bindings from major frameworks. Depends on what you want to do at the end: if it's just a hobby, you could try Rust. But, as a professional, I would stick with Python and C++. Keep in mind that AI field is quite dense nowadays, with a lot of concepts to wrap his head around. You probably don't want to add on top of that the burden of learning a complex language. That's why Python is that popular, it's a language that is easy to learn and to deal with (relatively).

"C wears well as one's experience with it grows" ~ The C Programming Language (ANSI Edition)

I love the of him working for AT&T with his legs kicked up on his desk just casually showing off Unix. These guys knew they knew what they were doing.

Let's not forget, Richard Stallman and those who work on GNU projects as well.

@@bharathelangovel2260 My apology, I forgot that Legend Richard Stallman, totally. It is him gave birth to Free Software to the world

I won't consider Linus to be among this group. James Gosling , Von Rossum , Andres Heljsberg. Those are the people

@@adityaranigaon LINUX means a lot to a lot of programmers, Therefore Linus Torvarlds

@@dtakamalakirthidissanayake9770 True brother. But it was ken Thompson , Dennis Ritchie and all who thought of an OS for programmers. You can't compare Linus with these legends.

would ask about pointers instead of fairy tales😜

Haha nice one. I can definitely imagine I would feel the same way

@@redsnflr i think so, until Golang opened the floodgates to more and more features. Many devs I work with, some have been in the business for 20 years believe Golang will go the path of C++ and become a wildly bloated language. Hopefully they are wrong. We have enough bloated features in other popular languages.

@@nicogreco6926 what do u mean by a bloated language?

@@stephenkamenarNot everyone is a game developer c is a general programming language

Not in industry.

Yeah but until Scratch was invented that is

Nothing is too hard if you keep trying.

Yes, and great language in BCPL as well as C of course. I got a BCPL compiler for my BBC micro and co-processor back in the 80's, and I've got fond memories using that for some projects I was working on before later porting onto my Mac+ and lightspeed C at Uni. And the C book was perfect, thin and packed with just what was necessary and no more.

He uses it lol .when awk is not enough.

Why is that? You have a problem with the snake or something?

@SR MTBFF I don't think GO or Rust will replace C language as system programming language, C is much faster.

@@jadsingh1202 false. Rust is almost as fast as C. But I think rust will take the place of c++. Golang shouldn't be in the same category of systems programming.

@@jadsingh1202 C isnt faster than Rust. It just compiles faster and the binaries are smaller (who cares nowadays). Rust is much much much safer. Rust is definitely superior to C. Its as fast, safer and the tooling is better.

I think, C is required to learn in computer science because, it is a language that is not too low or too high level. It is relatively easy to be read by human and still close enough to machine. That way, you can still learn how machine (computer) works, without dealing with cryptic language like assembly. Popular language today tends to be very high level, that makes programmers don't need to know about how computer works. That's a good thing in software industry, but would be a bad thing in computer science.

@@divingradish Wrong. In computer science, learn assembly if you need to teach the basics of a computer. Then from there, just move on to a higher popular language.

@@SnoopyDoofie Yes, you need to learn assembly if you want to study machine more closely. But if you want to learn basic of programming AND data structure, language like C would be one of the best choice. In C you need to have some knowledge of memory. That's count as learning about machine. Popular languages tends to abstracting that aspect. It's more about the balance of high and low level.

@@divingradish I've been writing code for 40 years and have covered many languages including assembly and C. I even wrote my first app using a punch card. Today I develop with Kotlin and Javascript. Believe me, you don't need to learn C.

@@SnoopyDoofie punch cards, eh? "app"? of course you did, champ. you have strong opinions (and keep in mind you venture into paedagogy of CS territory which is a whole different can of worms over and above which language is"better"), but all you have argument-wise is snark and factually dubious tidbits of information (Ada is a Pascaline language thas nothing to do with Lady Ada Lovelace other than being named after her, for one. No Ada advocate in their right mind would argue that Ada should be taught because it's based on Lady Ada's work). one would have thought your supposed over-9000 years of experience would give you a deeper and more differentiated and refined understanding.

but that code will run 20 times faster and on 20 times less resources than that python line (generally). That's why C has it's place and python has it's place

List comprehensions, Generators and etc.. we have our weapons

This really shows how ignorant you are with programming

Well I bet it'll only took 1 block in Scratch..

@@julianatlas5172 oh yeah, instead of taking 2 seconds it will take 3 seconds.

@MF Nickster .. C is cobbled together and had fundamental inconsistencies from day 1.. It's because syntactic infection was it's backwards variable declarations (data type :: variable name instead of name first, type second). Horrible, and only a tiny bit easier to compile. Assembly is more consistent (if not between rival assemblers, ie. ATT vs Intel X86 syntaxes).. Operator overloading is a useful and expressive, powerful feature if used sensibly but C++ OO syntax is dreadful, -> . junk..... It's just a pity Pascal had 'begin' and 'end' instead of concise curly brackets like C. Would have been a much better dominant syntax. Python kind of did that with knobs on but 30 years later.

@MF Nickster .. To me, the procedure and function keywords were acceptable verbosity but the begin and end weren't. At least it got the basics right, such as a sensible pointer system and better object extensions when they were added, and of course, consistent variable declaration syntax and record / object / class definitions. More flexible unit management too, Most pascal compilers also started using c++ extended assignment operators +=, *= etc.. Delphi was far superior to C++ but C++ was the industry standard, unfortunately. Borland compilers were better than MS and most of the competition, including their own C++ Builder compiler until they merged their back-ends via a shared object code system. Delphi crapped all over MS visual C++ and VB in every way, as an IDE and compiler.

@MF Nickster .. My favourite self-designed for fun, never implemented prog. lang. was called Q++ and was at first limited to only symbol combinations reserved, no keywords (which can be done but it's a little too difficult to read), but then added 2 letter keywords and 3 symbol operators (but I think I ended up sticking to 2, it was 25 years ago. I had a version where scope was only denoted by tab indent, no curly brackets, This was actually the most readable, not just the most concise and easiest to compile. It extended a decent OO class system with an object-relational database extensions. Could do low and high level coding equally well. It was fun to think about for a week as a student, and helpful to get a deeper understanding of langs and compilation of them... --- Blah, blah.. Anyhow my belief has always been a programming language should have an IDE (or at least editor) specification too. One of my favourite 'languages' just used trees with a symbol for the branch or block type, and was used to program process control software onto eproms,but I can't remember the name and have never been able to trace it. Dad used it in his electrical control system job and taught me the basics but I only used it for a small home control project we did together in the end, but it made C seem very verbose, and Pascal (derivatives) like writing a novel.

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Assembly the great grandfather of them all.

What about B lang.. or A lang.. or ASM lang.. or a BIN lang?? a great great great great grandmother??

Machine code. The father of all

I’m more of a fan of the E programming language personally. F is also quite good. Stay away from G though.