C70 Raw update - C300III Comparison I Editing I Dynamic Range I File sizes

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Intro: 00:00
Codec so far: 00:54
CFAVC vs RAW: 1:20
Over/Under Exposure: 2:05
C300 vs C70: 3:59
File Sizes: 4:58
Editing: 6:08
SD Cards: 7:13
Limitations: 8:00
Afterhtoughts: 8:57
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@damiencooper 2 года назад

Would you shoot in RAW now?

@prskyviews 2 года назад

oh yes, specially in low light! but the HQ at super 16 in 1080p is kind of a bummer

@stevenneaves8079 2 года назад

Probably not since our my workplace is using C70s but still having me cut on a 2017 i7 iMac 😂

@ancilm 2 года назад

Only in extreme circumstances. Mostly when shooting b-roll.

@damiencooper 2 года назад

@@stevenneaves8079 yeah, that's a big factor. I even felt the export was way longer on my M1Max

@mikkelhjensen 2 года назад

I will definitely use it! But just the LT version for switching fast between 25 and 50. Maybe I will be tired of RAW in a month or to. But until that I will shoot RAW 😂

@alexschwindt2124 2 года назад

One of the single most useful videos I've ever seen on YourTube. Really fantastic. Much appreciated.

@atomicdynamo6062 2 года назад

fantastic and concise review. Thank you

@SarahJonestoo 2 года назад

Great stuff. Thank you.

@JonPais 2 года назад

Very informative, great content. If you’re ever called on to do an HDR project, you’ll see that the YCbCr chroma subsampling (developed for SDR) of the XF-AVC footage introduces undesirable hue shifts and luminance errors (affecting skin tones as well) that the RAW clips don’t suffer from. This is why streaming platforms like Netflix et. al use the ICtCp color space rather than YCbCr. Considering the volume of work that you do, it might not be economical in your case, but if a client were to return and request an HDR version of a project, as sometimes happens in high end productions, shooting RAW ensures you’ve got the ability to create a master of the highest possible quality without any compromises in image fidelity.

@owenacevedolara8850 3 месяца назад

Gracias por la comparación y el contenido

@ubarhd1 Год назад

Very interesting and informative video thanks

@JonathanPalfrey 2 года назад

When shooting with it the other day, it 'felt' better than the XFAVC however maybe that's just my mind playing tricks on me haha. One thing on my intel MacBook Pro 16, the Raw LT plays back a lot smoother than XFAVC-L. However I agree with you, for most paid client work, smaller file sizes is more important than the extra percent or two of image quality Raw gives you.

@damiencooper 2 года назад

Oh yeah. On intel that makes sense. The long gop is horrible on the non M1 macs

@BenEricson 2 года назад

@@damiencooper The GOP is great on my late 2013 Mac Pro. Intel. Solid State drives.

@corneliustitiu8739 9 месяцев назад

🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 Minute 9.50. When you say that every month you even edit 300 videos, your colleague's reaction made me laugh so hard that my neighbor called the door to ask me what happened. I haven't laughed so hard for a long time. Thank you Damien.

@RockyColaFizz 2 года назад

I noticed that when I process the Raw LT in Resolve through its Raw Editor it defaults to sharpness of 10. And the picture is clearly sharper than the XFAVC without looking fake sharper. I don’t know how else to describe it. It just looks not soft like the C70 typically does, but it retains the realism cinematic feel and roll off that make the C70 so great. You should try it in Resolve and see what I mean

@damiencooper 2 года назад

will do! I usually add sharpening myself and had great resolve. Though not in the RAW tab

@thefilmpoets 2 года назад

Yea you can bump it up to 30 in the raw tab for a bit more detail.

@timelapsega 2 года назад

You sound like you know whats up, how do the .crm files do with highlight recovery? Like is it as good as a raw photo where you can recover tons of detail?

@RockyColaFizz 2 года назад

@@timelapsega Nothing is like a high quality raw photo. But, its definitely better than any compressed H.264 or H.265 file. You can change the ISO, and the White Balance in the Resolve Raw editor, and you can often get at least one stop better highlight recovery in Raw on the C70 I find. But ...you can't seriously overexpose or clip them, that is not recoverable in any format.

@scottgwild 2 года назад

When doing the over and under exposure test, did you use the Raw tools in Premiere to adjust the Raw LT? My recovery test proved the Raw to recovery much better than the Long GOP.

@SoundItOutFilms 2 года назад

Hey, great video! When you corrected the underexposed tests did you do so in the RAW settings?

@damiencooper 2 года назад

Final Cut doesn’t have raw settings. But I also did it in davinci in the raw tab and it made no difference. The only thing that’s really “raw” about canon raw is the white balance.

@prskyviews 2 года назад

@Sound it Out Films love your videos as well, you guys are a big inspiration for me 🙏

@igor_podgorski 2 года назад

@Monkeypixels This is not entirely true. In Canon RAW you can change the white balance, ISO, color space and gamma. All this can be changed in the Cinema RAW Development program or DaVinci Resolve by changing decode quality to Full res - Canon. I wish a FCP Canon plugin has such funcionality in the future. Greetings from Poland. :)

@damiencooper 2 года назад

@@igor_podgorski I know. But it’s just another way of doing the same thing. Expose your shot correctly at iso 200. Then push the iso to 3200 and record. Bring it into resolve and change the iso to 200. Let me know what you’ll find 😉

@damiencooper 2 года назад

@@igor_podgorski if this was actual raw like R3D raw or photo raw you’ll end up with a correct exposed shot. But you won’t.

@curtdp Год назад

I think that the big difference will be when you need to do HDR delivery, when your result file is 10-bit, so the source 10-bit isn't as reliable as 12-bit raw.

@zaodekov 2 года назад

I like your content but I want to highlight that you missed one huge point about the new C70 RAW. It is 12 bit. 8 bit can reproduce around 16 million colors, 10 bit can reproduce around 1 billion and 12 bit can reproduce 68 billion colors. If you shoot a very vibrant sunset for example you would immediately notice a huge difference between 10 and 12 bit. It is important to note however that you need to use a proffered 12 bit monitor to see the full beauty of 12 bit RAW. So I would say - 12 bit raw is only 68 times more color information compared to 10 bit XF-AVC. DR was already excellent on the C70 and now the 12 bit RAW gets it to the league of Arri and Red. The C70 transformed from a good deal camera to an Incredibly underpriced camera.

@shzammpatapon9865 2 года назад

no brother, 12 bit raw has the same amount of colour information as 10 bit log except the higher extreme part of shadows and highlight where the saturation is maintained. you're confused and misunderstood bro. the one with 68 bil colour is 12 bit LOG not raw

@mitchforteclassic 2 года назад

@@shzammpatapon9865 No, I think you are the one confused my friend. From a purely technical standpoint. 10bit produces 1,073,741,824 total color options and 12bit produces 68,719,476,736 (1024 shades vs 4096 shades). It's literally more colors. Has nothing to do with Raw or log (there are lesser know codecs that produce 12bit that are not raw), but what's available to work with.

@raredreamfootage Год назад

I think 12-bit is only up to 30fps?

@cncmedia1461 2 года назад

Hey Damien, hope you're well. Great video. Wanted to try out your luts but not sure which one to go for? I use r5 and the c70? Which is best lut to use to match the shots, thanks

@damiencooper 2 года назад

Hey, I would for sure use one of the MIRRORLESS packs and just use the rec709 luts on top of the original canon luts. So easy and great results. That’s what we do 95% of the time

@cncmedia1461 2 года назад

@@damiencooper Thanks D

@thefilmpoets 2 года назад

Just a heads up, long gop xavc is very noisy, hevc is way cleaner with similar files sizes.

@BenEricson 2 года назад

In what setting? I've used Long GOP in a ton of real world settings and notice no difference.

@prskyviews 2 года назад

Awesome video as always! I got way different results when shooting raw in low light environments on my RU-vid video Maybe its the light in the space and not under exposing or over exposing the camera were the difference is more notable, like you say people are never going to over/under expose on purpose.

@damiencooper 2 года назад

It might also be me not being good enough to properly bring it back up tbh. It was actually more about dynamic range for me

@YoussefHallouly 2 года назад

Question my friend, where do you get your lower thirds, transition, call outs ? they look really nice Or do you create them yourself? Thanks

@damiencooper 2 года назад

We use MotionVFX. They have the best plugins everywhere! Check out the link in the description

@YoussefHallouly 2 года назад

@@damiencooper Which plugin is it exactly cause it's only briging me to the website homepage.

@damiencooper 2 года назад

@@YoussefHallouly it’s multiple. Which one you are looking for? I think there’s at least 5 or 6 different plugins in that video 😅

@YoussefHallouly 2 года назад

@@damiencooper Ohh i see haha i like the ones that appears at 01:04 for example

@damiencooper 2 года назад

@@YoussefHallouly the bottom left is included in the mlower mega pack. Great for lower thirds. The bottom text is mtitle hype. Most of the titles in the video are from this plugin. They have a 25% sale going right now!

@boldasalionstudios4158 Год назад

I found a great deal on a c300 MLK III for $8500 should I get it or the c70 which is still cheaper? Is the c300 mk III worth $3000 more? I have a r5 and r6, and want to upgrade to a cinema camera, and need the wow factor, will c70s look justify the larger ticket prices?

@shuolangliu304 2 года назад

its kinda disappointing and comforting at the same time that its shown in your test that long gop and raw are so identical. Many people including myself believed raw would bring drastic performance boost to the c70 and yet it does so little. I guess the good thing is that long gop on the c70 is such a good codec and it allows you to shoot with various frame rate of your choice. Thanks for the review :)

@damiencooper 2 года назад

That’s how I see it. Not that the raw is bad but the xfavc is so good 😅 But I already knew what was coming since I own the C300III

@JonPais 2 года назад

If you ever shoot HDR, the YCbCr chroma subsampling of XF-AVC with its hue shifts and luminance errors will reveal the superiority of RAW, which is one reason streaming services like Netflix use the ICtCp color space.

@JamesJacksonFilmz 2 года назад

@@damiencooper It's mainly this. XF-AVC is such a good codec compared to most other codecs that it makes the difference minor, however there are still very noticeable differences between the two but it will be up to you as the filmmaker if one is better for you over the other.

@HH-zc4lj 2 года назад

Hi. I have a question. Which lens and filter was used for main cut (which you are talking). Thank you for great video.

@damiencooper 2 года назад

I said that in the video 😋 Speedbooster, sigma 35mm, Vaxis black mist 1/4 in a mirage mattebox

@HH-zc4lj 2 года назад

@@damiencooper Thank you! I could not listen it since English is not my first language.

@damiencooper 2 года назад

@@HH-zc4lj oh, no worries. What is your first language? 😊

@HH-zc4lj 2 года назад

@@damiencooper Japanese

@mikkelhjensen 2 года назад

How do you play the Canon RAW in FCPX? It won’t let me import it in my project.. all the files are just grayed out 🤷‍♂️

@damiencooper 2 года назад

go to the canon website and to support. There's a raw plugin for final cut. Install and it works

@mikkelhjensen 2 года назад

@@damiencooper thanks!

@scottievee7467 2 года назад

You have it labeled 4 stops under when you are shooting 4 stops over? Just letting you know bud.

@damiencooper 2 года назад

Oh shit. You’re right. Thanks Well, I guess it’s obvious 😅

@michaelgroinger3659 2 года назад

I have seen another review where the c70 shows way more sharpness in the raw as in xf-avc. There was a big difference definately, are you sure it was raw?

@damiencooper 2 года назад

really? Can you link that video? Was it with or without the speedbooster? Because when compared to the C300III the image is identical. And since the C300III image is sharper it must be the speedbooster

@michaelgroinger3659 2 года назад

@@damiencooper sure, it's that one: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--X3oSvYFhxQ.html But im not sure about the lens and the booster. I own the c70 myself but seems i'm too lazy to do a test haha, thats why search on youtube for that🤣🤣🤣! I was so angry when i made the update today that all my custom settings were gone and i spent nearly 40 minutes to set it back... But yeah from my own experience, the speedbooster makes the image a lot softer....especially wide open, like with the Sigma Art Series at f1.4...

@marioskarageorgiou6758 2 года назад

@@michaelgroinger3659 yup there is a small difference in sharpness from my tests also.

@salvamando1 2 года назад

@@michaelgroinger3659 You can save your custom setting to an SD card and reload them after an update.

@JamesJacksonFilmz 2 года назад

@@michaelgroinger3659 Hi There. This was my test so I can answer this question. So my test involved using the IRIX 45mm T1.5 Cine Lens and Yes I was using the Canon Speed Booster when using on both XF-AVC and RAW LT. I didn't have the C300 Mark III to compare it's raw to, but from the test, which again I explain in the video, I did notice a boost in sharpness in RAW vs XF-AVC even when I pulled the sharpness down to 0 in the Raw Tab. So it wasn't the speed booster It may have to do with the choice of NLE (i.e. using Final Cut vs Resolve) and how they decode the Raw. But that's just a guess on my end.

@cubul32 Год назад

What is that 200-300%? Is that relative to the CPU power? where 100% represents the benchmark power rating of the CPU?

@damiencooper Год назад

it's per core..

@cubul32 Год назад

@@damiencooper so isn't it per cpu at the end of the day since all the cores are working?

@HH-zc4lj 2 года назад

I love your look and thinking to buy your Lut. I'd like to know which Lut was used for 5:58 pic.

@damiencooper 2 года назад

That’s my all time favorite bluebird. I use this on 90% of our footage 😅 It’s part of the 2019 pack.

@HH-zc4lj 2 года назад

@@damiencooper Was it filmed BMPCC and used Black magic LUT pack 2019?

@damiencooper 2 года назад

@@HH-zc4lj sorry. It’s this one: monkeypixels.sellfy.store/p/wdnwro/

@damiencooper 2 года назад

@@HH-zc4lj filmed with two canons

@HH-zc4lj 2 года назад

@@damiencooper Thanks. Is it works with C70 or should I purchase other one for C70? Since it named as DSLR and Miroless LUT and they don't have c-log2.

@johnnyweissmuller5838 2 года назад

When you say you shoot mostly in 50p, what shutter speed/angle do you use?

@damiencooper 2 года назад

always 180 degree

@johnnyweissmuller5838 2 года назад

@@damiencooper doesnt it look stuttery when using the material as 25p then? It will be 25p with 90 degree shutter

@damiencooper 2 года назад

@@johnnyweissmuller5838 well, I don’t use it as 25p. Most of our shoots are planned so we know what will be slowed down and what won’t

@alvisetedesco1023 2 года назад

Digital IS, really? I tested It at first and found unnatural behaviours in too many circumstances. Should I test It again?

@SierraCreative 2 года назад

The question now .. is .. c70 or c300 mark iii … every time I think about getting a c300..: I lean towards the c70

@damiencooper 2 года назад

Same. I’ll do a video about that soon I hope

@ja-kidnb6416 2 года назад

geeez, when do people finally stop saying that exposure recovery equals dynamic range? They are similar things but not equally exchangeable.... With exposure recovery you try to get your material back to where it "should" be which can become quite difficult since not everything is scaling linearly. With dynamic range it's the maximum difference between bright and dark in the same scene but you also have to keep in mind that sensors/codecs, etc don't behave linearly nor does our vision. So PLEASE! stop comparing exposure recovery with dynamic range!