Cab Sim Pedals/Devices - Demo & Latency Comparison 

I’ve not run across any information that talks about how much Flammable truncates the IR. You know of any way I can measure that or see that data? Thanks for sharing your measurements, very cool. Just curious, do you have a preferred IR pedal?

@@Tone-Quest not sure how to measure that, other than comparing identical IR loaded into the Flamma and DAW plugin that allows altering the IR samples (like NadIR) , with an identical music loop. In my experience though, the difference is very subtle beyond 512 samples. I only measured the latency in the above mentioned pedals, sample length info comes from official documentation. My favourite is definitely the Amplifirebox, as it contains awesome amp sims, plus some useful effects and eq, all in one box. Been using it live a lot recently too, with great results.

Thank you, my pleasure.

Did you find it dropped your volume a lot? I’m using a preamp pedal and going direct. Just got one and it’s so quiet :(

I’ve been very tempted to try the NUX Solid Studio (full size).

@@Tone-Quest it seems to be worth it.

@@Tone-Quest i like it but it can be a little too bright with the power amp sim engaged. Presence must be kept low-ish

i just got it and it's good, the low and hi cut options in the pedal are really helpful

Much appreciated 👍🏻

The two notes sounded the most authentic in my opinion. Plus from what I've seen you can do loads of tweaking using an app

​@@hey0mcfly Probably the "Torpedo CAB" per se can be tweaked a lot and sound good. However I had a very bad experience with a Le Crunch Preamp (TWO Notes as well) and it was probably the most expensive and bad sounding pedal I've ever tried in my whole life. I was impressed by the joyo because my le crunch never sounded half or 10% as good as the JOYO. And I spent around $299 for that unit.

@@theother526 same for me, very bad experience with two notes le crunch, tried 1 week and returned to saler.

Thanks, much appreciated

Спасибо, очень признателен

Thanks, much appreciated 😁

Thank you, and yes I’ve tried the Joyo American and British. Great pedals indeed. I’ve never tried the AC tone though.

@@Tone-QuestThe British works great as a cab sim. I wonder how it compares to the Joyo and Behringer DI here though which were very impressive. I had the CAB M and I’m just not a fan of digital it seems but I seek to achieve an amp in the room tone and not something for recording.

@@clintwhite3021 Interesting approach using the British more as a cab than an amp. I’ll definitely have to give that a shot. I appreciate you sharing and inspiring me to try something new. 👍🏻

@@Tone-Quest Thank YOU for the videos :)

⁠@@Tone-Questhey sorry for another question but I just got the Joyo as a pedalboard direct rig speaker/di, I have my tube preamp pedal but the joyos output is very quiet. Is that normal?

No Sir, they are not all using the same IR. A few of the devices are cabinet sims, which can’t be changed or can’t import an IR, they achieve their sound via EQ’ing.

Sorry but I don’t own that one.

Thank you Sir, much appreciated.

Unfortunately, I would say it depends. I would say in the past, most pedalboards were made up of boosts, overdrives, distortions, modulations, delays and reverbs. Generally speaking boosts, overdrives, distortions pedals went into the front of an amp and time based effects (modulations, delays and reverbs) went into the effects loop, provided the amp had one but if by chance you are trying to build an ampless pedalboard that is going to plug directly into a PA or directly into an audio interface for recording then I would say that the amp simulator pedal is probably more important. The reasoning behind that is, that most amp sim pedals also come with cabinet simulation built into it. Cabinet sim pedals are ususally handy if you want more control over your cabinets or possibly the ability to import your own impulse responses. I hope that helps a little. Feel free to ask more questions, if any of that is unclear. Cheers.

@@Tone-Quest I see. I have a minimalist pedalboard (w/ od, distortion, EQ, chorus, delay) which i connect to my practice amp. I'm just thinking if i need to add a cab or amp sim pedal since I like the sound of a marshall amp. Thanks for your help and reply Chris, subscribed. Happy Holidays 🍻

@@daejumong4386 Since you are using a cabinet/speaker a cab sim is not needed. An amp sim pedal can be used as essentially an overdrive/distortion pedal but if using it that way, I would recommend not using the cab sim that is normally built-in to most amp sim pedals. In your current setup it might be cheaper and possibly simpler to find a distortion pedal that is based on that Marshall amp sound but that is just a suggestion. The beauty of a pedalboard is that there is no wrong way to build one as long as you like the sounds.

@@Tone-Quest Wow, thanks a lot Chris. You really helped me to save cash. I'll take your suggestions, i just hope i can find a mashall-sound pedal at a good price. Thanks again, cheers! 🍺🍻

@@daejumong4386 Recommendations for a Marshall style distortion pedal. New, these pedals are around the $50-$60 range: Tone City Golden Plexi Tone City Golden Plexi 2 NUX Plexi Demon FREEDMAN BE-ODX Demon FREEDMAN BE-Deluxe Maybe check out some RU-vid videos on these to see if they strike your fancy. I have one on the Golden Plexi 2 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-R51dbQaK01s.html I have one on the Demonfx Freedman BE-ODX Plus pedal. (Cost a little more but it is a two in one). ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bcU0KOHc9VI.html Good luck 👍🏻

Because I thought it was interesting how certain pedals enhanced/exaggerated the reverb while other pedals didn’t.

@@Tone-Quest im a bit more curious about the pedal order. Ive not used an ir pedal, but reverb is trying to recreate the sound of a room. In this case, u had the chance to place the "speaker" inside the "room" by placing the ir before the reverb. Im curious how that wouldve sounded.

@@adamkrasneski3679 I can’t say I know how much it changes to put the cab (IR) first but I’ve put the the delay and reverb after the cab (IR) and it sounds just as good. It might be fun to A/B that to see how much or little of a difference it makes.

@@Tone-Quest agreed :)

No but I wish I was. 😁

@@Tone-Quest :D

I thought it was the best sounding one.

Who win

It’s equivalent to standing 10 feet from your amp, so not unreasonable.

Can someone explain, how latency affect the sound and the playability ?

@@AlvarockB Latency is the amount of time it takes from the moment you pluck your strings to the moment the plugin/pedal/instrument actually produces a sound. Anything above 12-15 milliseconds is unacceptable for anything that requires precision because you definitely notice it and it throws you off in terms of groove. Doesn't affect the sound tho. Hope it helps.

@@jul3249 thank u so much, very clear explanation. I wanna give a try to the sonicacke, but it doesn’t convince me that 9 ms latency, it is so much diference with the other pedals

@@AlvarockB well, someone has mentioned that they didn't think 9ms was that bad, so I guess I depends. I know that I am extremely sensitive to latency, and just the thought of maybe noticing a little delay is enough to throw me off, make me hyper vigilant about it and kill my mood. But maybe I'm overly sensitive. What you can do to test it is use a software like Protools, logic or even garageband and play through a slap delay effect where you can precisely set the time, make it 100% wet so you only have the delayed signal and non of the original, and see how it feels. If you play at 9ms and don't feel anything bothering, you know you're good.

Thanks 😊

May I suggest something Chris? This video is already great, if you timestamp the pedals/di boxes on the description so we can compare them directly it’d be awesome (;

@@manualofalternativemusic time stamps have been added. 8-)

Thank you!! 😁😁