Also, one was a flagrant off ball foul and the other was during a play. That's the difference between catching an elbow in a game and being punched in the parking lot.
Honestly I disagree the “clothesline” was a push to the chest under her arms that Angel Reese flopped for. It was way less violent and she got ejected.
I don’t know basketball but to my eyes the girl who got Caitlin was for zero reason. She didn’t have the ball, she wasn’t doing anything. The second time, the girls were fighting over the ball actively. That’s a huge difference to me. One looks like bullying and the other like rough contact during a scramble.
You definitely need to not talk basketball because what you are saying is stupidity. Caitlin Clark foul was an obvious unnecessary contact play, but the foul on Reese was a dangerous play that could cause a serious injured Caitlin foul was not that hard I had been hit harder playing ball clearly you are bias you like Caitlin clark if both players Switch situations would you say the samething?
@@johnbradley8780 you are cos the comment u replied to is literally spot on 😂 the balls not even in play on Clark’s that’s so much worse cos it’s intentional 😂
@@johnbradley8780yip i would as that lady was saying the close line was hard competing for the ball, the cc one was no competing what so ever. In both cases they were wrong for sure. Its bullshit reffing to say the least. A ball sport is a ball sport. They all have one thing in common that being finding a way to out score your opponent. They just have different ways of how you go about about scoring the most points.
Yeah, but in this context, it's about the fans' selective outrage. Especially considering, one was a non basketball play, the other was potentially a season ender. Considering the back of her head slammed to the floor, it may effect her career
@@JimSleazythe "selective outrage" you're claiming was based on the failure of the refs to call the foul on CC appropriately until after the game and they realized how obvious their favoritism was. That whole drama would have been avoided if they called it a flagrant when it mattered.
Great example of NOT to make a comparison. Alyssa Thomas and Angle Reese were battling for a rebound. Caitlin Clark was just standing there. Good take Ms Swoopes👏 👏 👏
Dude, the play was worse...what is the point of not being objective. No play requires a close line. One was mean the other could have gave a head injury
@@shotarokaneda7525didn’t they say themselves it was part of the game because is physical? 😂😂 In another hand Caitlin was motionless she was just standing there, it was no ball play so, that was more of a criminal intent bu Chennedy.
It doesnt matter how hard it was, it was blatantly intentional, and should have been a technical eviction. Instead, it was nothing, not even a normal foul.
Sorry but the ball wasn't in play, ffs! ... These women acting like it's the same game action; knowing damn well it was not. CC sometimes falls like a premier ⚽️ player ( i'll concede that). But come on Ken called her a b*tch, (watch the replay) came at her from behind, ball no where near either of them.
The foul was a BIG difference. Y'all act like CC got hit by a linebacker. She fell because she didn't see it and she's a flopper. If she saw it coming it would be nothing.
When? She got up & shot her foul shots - no tears, no pouting, then in the after game interview, she defended player who decked her, said they were friends, said B.ball can be physical, said she WANTED opponents to play hard! No poor little me, no trying to stir her fans up against the OTHER player!
How? That's what she does. He used draymond green as a reference here too. If you always fouling mfers people ain't gon be surprised when you get fouled 🤷♂️ point blank. 💯 It's like a linemen complaining that his opponent is rough with him or a quarterback being hit after he threw a touchdown pass and the play was over. 😂 it's not the same she is in a position called the TRENCHES it's called that for a reason. She in there to battle against the likes of Alyssa Thomas.
@@Tothemoon96other girl is better than angel reese lil bro and it was in the middle of a box out. That’s how a box out works you box out and jump for the board lmao
@@Kevin-qq9ddyall act like Angel not on CC level. Shooting wise she’s not but value wise she is. Angel just put up 25/16 against CC 17/13. It’s okay to think both are great.
@@Kevin-qq9ddTo say CC is better?? Is laughable. I’d pick Angel over CC because of her defensive talents over some who’s a habitual ball turnover machine any day! Just look at the turnover stats before being quick to dub someone better than someone else
@@blackninjah8641 your username says it all. You only choose angel Reese cuz she’s black youre one of those. You prob don’t like to admit that Jokic and doncic are the best players in the nba either huh. Caitlin Clark is the reason wnba is what it is now not angel reese I promise you that
@@alllstr30lol you yts hyping up another mediocre fellow yt in a black space because you can’t accept not being the best at something… nothing new. And then you cry about us making everything about race 😂🤡
😂 Living rent free in your head. Because people who actually follow the sport knows CC is hot garbage in stats, plus they’re way better wnba players right now both rookie and sophomore. You’ve probably never watched a wnba game in your entire life and all of sudden?! This one mediocre player is living rent free in people heads lol GTFOH!!! 😂
Two girls are totally different in their style. Just like the dude said. But they're coming out, the fans, to see Caitlin Clark. Anybody who can launch missiles like she does is worth watching.
Nah, diehard since Magic & Bird entered . Podcasts, yah he can have off opinions based on decade played, like all, come analyst time, pros, they’d all answer the same. Just like w/Olympic Team, Player teammates, laughing? All have same answer, emotions are out. Just whether they listen or not.
one was in the middle of a play the other was when the ball wasn't even in play. one laughed therefore you cant then complain you dont get sympathy when you laughed
@@dirtyredd448 yeah because every new fan watching (fun fact highest crowd levels) is a racist. Maybe people just don’t like arrogant women who think they are top shit and deserve millions in a league that’s NEVER turned a profit
@@zionharris7991 she came into the league with the wrong attitude wrong mindset its not what you say to the media its what you do. magic Johnson said it best she needs to call Larry Bird.
How in any way is what Thomas did to Reese worse than what Carter did to Clark?!?!? Thomas was challenging for a rebound? Carter came up after the play and assaulted her with a cheapshot and stood over her calling her names after it. Let's also not skip past the fact that Thomas was ejected for the foul, and no one got up to celebrate the foul, whereas, Carter only got a simple foul called for it, and Angel Reese popped up applauding the physical assault on her rival.
@@AdrianneDavison the opposite would be a white player launching herself into the black while saying "you black bitch". Why is anybody trying to rationalize that this wasn't blatant.
@@brandonl2637 While comparing her to a bigger and stronger male. No matter how you try to justify his words, it's still the very mindset of White racist people who performed surgery on Black women without sedation because they said Black women didn't feel pain like White women.
@StevenGoode-lu7bt I've seen nothing about black women not receiving sedatives. But I have seen that black people have their own blood pressure medicine that's it.
@@coolvids788 I noticed you switched from Black women to Black people. Even though your proclamation of Black people being able to live a healthier life than other people with a higher blood pressure is ridiculous, blood pressure and pain are two different things. By the way, try researching this historically documented fact in order to know the truth for yourself.
@@StevenGoode-lu7bt I literally looked up black women facing discrimination in Healthcare. And the only thing that pulled up was that blood pressure medication. And some forum where a black woman's dentist wouldn't give her any sedatives.
Bruh stop....the angel reese play with Alyssa was 2 people fighting for position for a rebound. The other would have been a defenseless player in the NFL. Let that sink in it would have been a blind side block. Caitlin wasn't even looking.
Flopping is part of the game regardless of men vs women but what added extra fire to the hip check is that it wasn’t done in the heat of the moment. The ball was no where near them and wasn’t even on the court yet. The block was a foul and too forceful but it was a block that had purpose in the context of the game. The only purpose of the hip check was to hurt another player. It’s disappointing to see women on the court prove detractors right with these catty moves that are motivated by jealousy. It’s also a bad move for your team to give away free throws. That’s the difference and not see that point is being willfully ignorant and trying to use that as point to support a racially, motivated argument is doing disservice to the players.
Using jealousy as motive for the hip check is lazy. I don't know why so many of you believe this when it was reported that Clark threw an inadvertent elbow on the other end of the court. The 2 were jawing at each other going down the court over it so it wasn't as though Clark didn't know that Chennedy had an issue with her. And if you saw it from a different camera angle, you see Chennedy scream at her right before the hip check. That was nothing more than pure competitive retaliation. That jealousy argument that CC stans stand on is simply irrational. It's too late in the game to break out in a jealous rage. One of the problems people have had was up to this point, there was no definitive proof that Clark was being targeted. She ran into screens or she gets an elbow to the head after her shot gets blocked. So everyone only felt she was getting targeted and now they finally got proof but ignored the real reason behind the hip check. Reese's clothesline was worse than you're portraying it. This camera angle doesn't show it but she was grabbed by the throat and thrown to the ground. The back of her head slammed to the floor. To say that happened in the flow of the game is ridiculous. It basically happens exactly how Clark's did. Players jawing until it gets physical. I can't dispute that Chennedy wasn't trying to hurt Clark cuz it's apparent that Clark hurt Chennedy. But Allyssa Thomas tried to injure Reese and you should not be downplaying that.
So flopping is part of the game now cuz Clark is a known flopper? Then y'all cry when the refs don't call certain fouls. She can kick puppies & kittens y'all find a way to justify it.
@@354allday would you be saying the same thing about Lebron or Chris Paul. I don’t think so. So educate yourself or go quietly into the night. You play the hand your dealt and that’s what basketball has been for a long time. If you have a problem with it take it up with the people who are acutely making money from it. The facts of the matter is you only have a problem when it suits your needs or narrative. If you are going to be a hater own it. Go ahead or claim it on the ‘ref.’ You are still getting the short end of the stick sweetheart. Performance is king (or Queen shall I say) and it’s just going to leave you looking big mad.
They don't. That's the narrative they are trying to sell. Women play rough because they grew up playing against guys. You are just seeing the plays against CC because that's what the media is showing. I played collegiate ball. Just like there are aggressive men players, there are aggressive women's players. It's just part of sport. When you are on the court, you're trying to win. CC cut back on her cocky antics since she is always watched now. I liked her better when she had a little cockiness to her. She seems annoyed how the media keeps trying to get her to play the victim in press conferences.
Here is the difference, Reese happened while the ball was in play. Carter's foul took place when the ball was not in play. Has nothing to do with being rugged or a villain. It was uncalled for. If the ball had been passed to Carter, it would have been completely different.
It was a fact. One was WAY worse than the other. Basketball play or not she got BUMPED. She didn't get taken out of the air. She said it was a bad play. She PLAYED. She been through worse contact than y'all complaining about. Y'all won't even admit Angel got it worse. Y'all will say it was a Basketball play so it doesn't matter. We know the difference.
@@davidrichards6059 first off the ball was shot in air girl climbed all over her back and it wasn’t that bad she jus wasn’t expecting the other girl to toss her off…the other was a frustration play and that’s a difference not to mention the egging on copying her “u can’t c me” gesture. It was provoked by that chick it was racist attack and it was worthy of ejection and/or flagrant fine.
No, the difference is clark was tackled before the play even started. reese was "clothes lined" during play and clearly flopped. Reese, invites drama, and throws herself in front of the cameras for attention. Clark just wants to play.
80% of the technical fouls committed against CC came in games against the Sky (AKA Angel Reese's team). You truly want people to advocate for someone who has her whole team physically checking her rival at that level, and still lost 3 out of 4 games? Pls
Looks like the Second Ladies teammates actually cared that happen to her while it looks like Caitlin Clark’s teammates were laughing that happened to her
The fact that we're even talking about two wnba rookies says alot. The wnba has been around for a while now, but I feel it has finally arrived mainstream. People like myself who never watched are watching now because of these two... game on! 😊❤
@devinmoose True..true.. but I think Angel brings that dirty work and hussle that every basketball team needs. If these two get on the same team they would dominate.
Mrs. Swoops told NO LIES. Regardless what AR calls herself or how she's perceived , and as long as there isn't consistency when things happen on the court, there's going to be problems. 🤔
Angel Reese never made herself the villain, fans and the media did. The fact that former NBA players and the media try and excuse the flagrant fouls that Angel Reese receives on a consistency and compare them with the fouls that Caitlin Clark gets is crazy. Angel Reese doesn't have any other option. but to play the game ruggedly because she's a target and people are neglecting that although she may not have been the number one girl draft pick..... she's definitely number 2 right now in the WNBA out of the rookies. As far as people say, and yes, she does have a target on her back just as much as Caitlyn Clark.
The fans and media can't make you a villain, you clown. Angel Reese is ratchet, she can't help herself. The day she taunted Clark by following her all over the court and doing the "you can't see me" gesture in her face, she showed you exactly who she was. She hates Clark because Clark has always been, and will always be a million times better than her as a basketball player. And she hates the fact that Clark is the IT girl in basketball with a $28 million contract with Nike.
She’s a dirty, physical player who uses their size to their advantage. You don’t actually watch woman’s bball so you don’t understand that angel Reese was an intimidator/enforcer at LSU. Constant elbows, ponytail tugs, trips, pushes and shoves. I watched over half the games LSU played too because I’m a HVL fan. You don’t know ball and you don’t know what you’re talking about 😂
The difference is that Reese is touched and a foul is called Clark could be punched in the face directly and they don’t call a foul. Massive difference between the two.
Hate crime, you are the arbiters of hate crime. Yall crazy if you think we gonna let Yall flip the script. We got scholars movie producers and all are stories will never be whitewashed again. We know why Desantis is doing the dirt in Florida and many other people. For the record I don’t like democrats or republicans, I’m looking for my blessed hope and it is not “white jesus either, Yall lied about that too and propagated that damnable doctrine across the world. Your right are woke now on all cylinders, not in the sense you call woke though. Are understanding of the word is pure, while yours have filth and deception and lies underneath. Bye!!!
Angel didn’t say she was a villain tho. She said people were trying to make her the villain and when Carter hip-checked clark, it was after Clark roughed her up twice and talked trash at her but the media cuts that part out.
Yup because it doesn’t fit the narrative. Just like last time they played Angel was being held all out of bounds when she wasn’t even in the play but of course they didn’t try to make those clips viral because it don’t help the savior narrative
The more you make it all about race the more popular CC is going to get! Remember people watch CC because of her talent and how selfless she is being a team player plus how gracious she is and the more people attack her the more people will defend her because let’s not forget she’s the one making WNBA popular!
@@leroyferguson809was there not a flagrant 1 called on the angel 1 meanwhile a hip check 90 ft from the hoop without the ball isn't nothing but a common foul no they're both flagrant 1 fouls and leave it at that
@@MatthewBretton-cu2el believe or not that cheap shots can actually hurt someone more than a hard foul during play. When you side check an unsuspecting player who hasn't even got the ball thrown to her yet shit can happen... Cheap shots like that are INTENTIONAL .. premeditated so yes Flagrant foul
@@jimporter72 not saying its not a flagrant , but why certain people had nothing to say when AR got choke slammed ? Hitting the back of head on the court ? If CC got choke slammed and hit her head on the court what do you think certain people would do ? Civil war ?
It makes you a villain bc you won, she didn’t. She’s from the suburbs, ones from the trenches. “One has the complexion for the protection for the collection” - Paul Mooney The other welcomed the hate she was gonna get bc she wasn’t humble as the world thought she should be. I bet Reese still has the better pro career just like she had the better collegiate career
No bro...The foul on Clark was completely intentional. The Reece play was going up for the rebound. The other factor was Angel Reece celebrated when Clark got tackled. That's why no one cared when Reece went down. Just stop being bias.
@@esantiago837who said the play on Caitlyn wasn’t intentional?! I didn’t, neither did Gil or Sheryl. So you’re saying the play on Reese was an accident? Man exit stage left promptly!!! As the title says, you’re definitely caught in the “narrative” between the two. You go up for a rebound, get backhanded clotheslined like WWE Raw landing on your mid/upper back neck and head area, still get up and finish the game. Or just have someone blindside you with a hard hip/shoulder check, as the clip shows any little contact against soft delicate lilly white Caitlyn and you’d swear she was in the matrix how she flops around. Like Sheryl asked..where was the uproar for the much worse play? Wasn’t any! Why?! Bc like Gil and I said Angel is the bad guy. Nobody cares about the villain. And that’s what will cause Angel to potentially one day get another ring before Clark if either of them gets one at all. One is way tougher than the other.
@bryancollins856 THE point t is Clark was just standing there and got tackled. That's something that can happen off the basketball court and would be considered an assault. The Reece play were going up for a rebound. Also, Kennedy did not get kicked out of the game but the girl who fouled Reese did. So why complain about the foul on Reese when it was enforced? Again, don't be bias.
@@esantiago837I see what this is.. you’re a fan so thats all you’re gonna see or care about. Fine. Yet you’re proving my point for me. Look how you downplayed what happened to Reese… if it were a legit play would the other player have gotten ejected?! Hello…anybody home up there?! But look how “up-in-arms” you are about your girl being pushed down via your “assault” statement and yet nobody got ejected. Why?! Bc as I’ve and the cast stated before and you’re currently proving might I add..nobody cares what happens to the villain. You go and clothesline somebody out in public and see if the cops don’t get called on you for the same assault 😂, or if it happens to you see if you’re not calling the cops or better yet..trying to whoop some ass in the meantime of somebody else calling the cops bc somebody clotheslined you 😂😂😂Don’t be the pot calling the kettle black with that foolish off-based ass bias statement when it’s really you who is biased if anybody. Your last name is Santiago but you must be one of those Mexicans/Hispanics that think they’re white in my Paul Mooney voice.
@@esantiago837 say you’re fanatic of Caitlyn without telling me you’re a fanatic.. now you wanna include assault, how disturbingly disgustingly pathetic of you.. you’re proving my point, you downplay what happened to Reese bc it was “enforced”. It was enforced bc it was a dirty play..a much dirtier play and NEEDED to be enforced. How do I slam somebody BEHIND me while the ball/rebound in is FRONT of me? How sway?! In the grand scheme of it Caitlyn was just hip/shoulder checked. Blindsided yes..necessary no..but she was still on the ground which is a lot less worse. And nobody was ejected which really cancels your own argument. I bet most ppl would rather be pushed down compared to clotheslined landing in a way that could result in being concussed or paralysis at worst. Brother, let you choke slam somebody in public and see if the law is or isn’t called on you 😂😂😂. Better yet, let somebody choke slam you.. I’d bet you either call the cops yourself, or tell your significant other or somebody else around to call the cops get up and whoop some ass in the meantime 😂😂😂..it’s all good I call it a 6, you call it a 9. We all have our viewpoints. Be safe out there. Keep your head on the swivel during inbound passes and don’t go for any rebounds anytime soon 😂😅
You’re not going to mention LBJ flopping and crying 😂😂. You see this is how race gets put into these conversations. But you can’t deny them dudes Giannis, joker, Luka, embiid are dominating the NBA as a blk man look at the MVP’s the last 5 years.
Lmao out of everyone u pick for flopping u pick only white people when u got 10x worse flopping merchants in shai, lebron, harden.. don’t be mad that the face of the nba is white and the face on the wnba is also white. In a black dominated sport 😂😂😂 you’ll get em next time tiger
Angel Reese has more hussle than basketball IQ. In the NBA, Tim Duncan just have his fundamental knowledge of going through the paint that's why he has high FG%. No dramas, no trash talk. Meanwhile, people are trying to compare a WNBA big who seems to be battling herself for a simple layup to a skilled and efficient CC.
The difference is Caitlyn doesn't congratulate a teammate for knocking down an opponent, Caitlyn doesn't smash someone in the head while the excuse is being used that she was going for the ball, Caitlyn doesn't bitch in interviews about the refs being unfair to her, Caitlyn appears to be much more humble. Everyone knows that Reese getting clotheslined was completely uncalled for, but people are far less expressive about it because of her attitude and character on the court, and nearly every single black person commenting in social media threads having something negative to say about Caitlyn without any sensible basis for saying it doesn't help.
She’s also a good rebounder because most of them are rebounds off her own misses. You watch her shoot? She’s a brick layer and layups give her trouble.
@sondramuntaqeem2237 all but the last. She rebounds more of her own missed shots than she makes. If she could score more, she might be a better player. Already been kicked out on fouls, she's trash in wnba. 1 decent game.
@@CholoRICCO-rc6bkYou gotta be some form of narcotics talking that dumb sh*t! Reese has 7 double doubles and averages 11 rebounds a game. And how is getting your own rebound a bad stat? An offensive rebound gives your team another scoring opportunity how in the hell is getting your own rebound bad? You talk as if the ball magically pops back on her hand after a miss.
This is so true why does no one talk about this. It’s widely known that Clark flops. Reese doesn’t shy away from contact. This makes her so more opt to get fouls and be more aggressive. People can give excuse but the truth is Clark sold it so that’s why people were mad. Obeously Cater should have gotten a tech. Reese took it well and Thomas still got ejected. That’s just the truth.
Loooook, don't NOBODY wants to 👀 "Black" People talk like this in 🏀, haters. I'm just 👀 Caitlin's hip-check now because of the uproar about Angel's clothes line foul that DID GO VIRAL ! And I'M BLACK. So drop it.
You are one person. Wow. So until you see it, it’s not a thing. Wow. That is disturbing. I see what you’re saying from your experience, but Wow. I have no other words.
Angel reminds me of Shaq in the way she plays. She’s not afraid to take a hit and guarding her is rough. She just brings a physicality to the sport while still remaining feminine and gorgeous. I’m just glad she’s OK from the clotheslining. Angel can be physical without endangering the health of another player. And that’s why we are watching the WNBA. Players like Reese and Clark bring a fresh tough but still feminine aspect to the game which makes men want to watch.
Probably because it's hard to deny the special attention Clark has been getting. Players are nurtured to emphasize contact by the time they reach the pros.
Caitlyn Clark actually did the “you can’t see me” first to another player. But I’m guess you all thought it was cute and sportsmanship that time against Elite Eight.
The other difference was that Caitlyn Clark has had 17% of all the flagrant fouls of the entire WNBA season committed against her (5/31). And 4 of those 5 fouls were committed by Angel Reese’s teammates.
Alyssa play was with the game actually happening. Chennedy shot was with the ball out of bounds. She tried to have her "welcome to the league" moment, backfired, lost the game and Caitlin is playing well.
Looking back on this in retrospect, the reason no one talked about angel getting shed there is because for some reason the WNBA media kisses up to Aja... and some of it is Angel being perceived as a villain. But aja might just be the toxic bully queen in the W.
Difference is one changed and continues to change the wnba and the other does not. It’s that simple. If something happens to wemby vs keynota Goerge lol. The wemby new will hit the media hard. Conmen sense
I don't think caitlin flops as much as people thinks she does. She's just a tiny skinny girl making contact with someone bigger than her. Anyone who has played and made contact with a bigger guy knows how you can just bounce off them like you're nothing
