What a let down. Im old school & had "paid" for Cakewalk since 2005. And now it's free. WT what?? Anyhoo, thanks. Im intrigued by the newer schools. Thanks😁✌
@Ireconic Beats if you’re not happy with the FL Studio demo then go for it. You’ll be able to save and open your saved projects with these but the workflow is a bit different as FL Studio kind of has a workflow of its own.
@Ireconic Beats in edit>preferences>playback and recording section, see if the 'disable audio engine when cakewalk is not in focus' is checked or unchecked. Toggling it would solve the problem
Probably there are not many who realize that back in the day, Cakewalk was the one and only software for midi sequencing. Of course, everything has changed since the 90's, especially the instrument sounds. VSTi vs General midi... But I think that Cakewalk is still doing well today and it's a tool for professionals... and now it's free! I use Cakewalk always when I work with both audio and midi. To me, the strength of Cakewalk is total control over midi sequencing.
@@hsn10 Did you try the newer versions? Because i never experienced bigger issues with them, neither on Win7 nor Win10. And i am constantly using 32 Bit plugins ;)
@@hsn10 That's right. But Cakewalk needs some changes to be more stable. This way you can save many % of CPU and less crashes. There are several tutorials on RU-vid explaining the changes you have to do.
" Cakewalk was the one and only software for midi sequencing. " Steinberg issued the Pro24 (Atari ST) in 1986. C-Lab Creator, later renamed Notator because it had a score editor (!!!), was available (Atari ST) in 1987, like Cakewalk 1.0.
I downloaded Cakewalk during lockdown. I remember before I even had a DAW I saw demos of Cakewalk and was impressed by the virtual instruments that come with it. It also comes with the TTS-1 general midi 2 sound module making it possible to create anything entirely using stock VSTs.
This was a great video man. Also something important about Cakewalk I've learned is you can customize the interface in a lot of different ways. Right down to the color theme.
According to me (as a beginner),I think tracktion is more easy to use and simplicity help you compose good music. On the other hand cakewalk is more towards professionalism. I've used both the daws. I use tracktion for composition or to create outline of my song and cakewalk for mixing and mastering the song. Once I get the idea on waveform of how my composition should be, I dial into cakewalk and record it. This way I use both the daws and theirs features. I'm new to cakewalk so its kinda complex than waveform. But I think it gives better environment to create your master piece. If you're just starting with music production I'll recommend you to get to waveform first and get use to the working of a daw. And once you gain ample of experience you should switch to cakewalk.
i use both too but i feel like my laptops going to break i probably just need an upgrade but even then it’s still a lot of storage so i’m trying to narrow down to one i really like how easy cakewalk is tho i started without reading any manuals or watching many videos and with just playing around i basically figured out how it worked but with waveform it took me longer and I had to watch more videos even with the pop-ups that tell you how to work it
This is a great workflow. Cakewalk is a mixing powerhouse, and it's great to do your composition in one DAW (Waveform, Ableton Live, FL Studio et al) then export the tracks to Cakewalk for final mixing (and mastering). The console/mixer view in Cakewalk is second to none, IMO.
It would be nice if you could up date this video with Waveform 12.5. There are some features that were added to Waveform since you made this video. And in lights of what is going on with Cakewalk these days, it would be appropriate, me thinks. Thanks for your work!
Every DAW has its weakness, but having seriously trialled most of the popular ones, I settled on Waveform. For me, and it's a personal thing, Waveform's workflow is quicker and slicker than Cakewalk. The pattern generator is a secret weapon, and you can use subfolders to host several MIDI pattern tracks, like long chords and arpeggios, and have a single synth plugin in the parent track playing the different subfoldered tracks. I do this all the time, and it's a neat trick to get an interesting and complex keyboard part by mixing long chords and arpegios.
The worldflow in Waveform in Cakewalk is quick once you get used to it. It's the initial learning phase where it's a little confusing. But once you get over it, it's second nature.
@@sorcerereye you just get more plugins and additional features in the pro version. But it's not necessary to get the pro version. Waveform free is basically the core daw for free, without any restrictions. There are lots of free third party plugins available, you can grab them and make your daw more powerful.
Thank you so much for help! Both programs look great but it's good to have specifics on what the differences are between them before deciding to try one out. This video was exactly what I needed.
Bandlab Assistant update issues basically went away with the latest version that came out this month. Interesting giving the nod to Tracktion on the interface as I consider Cakewalk to be lightyears ahead. That being said, I do use two monitors and that really changes the workflow. Absolutely agree with the conclusion, as someone that paid quite a bit of money for Sonar over the years when it was a paid product, the winner these days is the consumer.
Absolutely. I’ve spent so much money on DAWs and updates to programs over the years and now you can get software for free that’s better than that stuff was. Thank you for watching. Keep creating! 👊👍
Like you said, Waveform does not include a guitar amp plugin like Cakewalks TH3, but If you download both, Waveform allows the use of Cakewalks VST instruments. That way you can use TH3 within Waveform.
Thank you for watching. Yes huge respect to the developers for allowing musicians to have software that doesn’t limit their creativity. Keep creating! 👊👍
Thanks Zane this was a good video. I am a beginner in the DAW world so I don't have any experience to draw from. After watching your other video on Free DAW's I decided to try Cakewalk but as you said it was more than a little cumbersome in downloading. I could never get Cakewalk to download so I gave up and downloaded Waveform which was so easy to download. I am liking the all in one screen of Waveform other DAW's that I looked at were intimidating. I have a lot to learn but I think I will update to Waveform Pro because I think it is something I can grow into and I like all your tutorial videos I find those helpful for a newbie like me. Thanks again for your work.
Thank you so much for watching and for the kind words. If you’re enjoying the Waveform workflow stick with it. I really like the workflow of it. I have several other high priced DAWs but Waveform has been my go to for the last couple of years. It allows me to focus on music making. Thanks again for watching. Keep creating! 👊👍
I was too stupid for most DAWs so I stuck to FL Studio but this guy made me want to try Traction. I've tried Cakewalk long time ago. For some reason I was too stupid for that one too. I just want something intuitive for stupid people. From what I've seen automation in Traction happen from a menu while in FL studio from twisting a knob and assigning automation. That's one thing that I like about FL. What I don't like in FL is that for some reason I keep opening and closing windows all the time which gets on my nerve. I try to arange them so they don't get in the way but they always do. So the modular freedom isn't always that freeing.
Yeah they added a stand alone installer which makes things less confusing and the installer doesn’t seem to hang like it used to.
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What I like the most Waveform: One type of track, racks and runs on linux. Cakewalk: MIDI (scales, articulation maps and many edition tools) Both are very good, butI think waveform is better for beginners. Cakewalk is more traditional, so is easy if you have experience with other DAWs and make easy to jump to other DAW when you know how to use it.
I really like Waveform because the workflow is easy and modern. But, the biggest drawback for me is VST3 plugins sometimes don't work and are unstable (even the latest update from Waveform). So, I switched to Cakewalk and it's more stable to load VST3 plugins. There haven't been any problems so far when using VST3 plugins. And the plus is, I love Matrix, Step Sequencer, and Pro Channels built-in plugins per track. But sadly, the workflow is a bit harder than Waveform. And no LFO automation for Cakewalk. But, it's okay for me. I never use LFO automation anyway.
I installed it this afternoon.. couldn't have been more than 20 minutes. And it was only that long cause it asked to install additional components. Also had it installed previously... without problems.. Just saying
Downloaded both DAWs with no problems. Used Studio one Free for years until I needed to use VSTs (the free Studio Ones don't support 3rd party VSTs) but otherwise found it a great DAW. Cakewalk is far easier to get to grips with after Studio One, the Traction is an absolute nightmare for me to get around at present, but I do like the built in soft synth.
Thanks for this video ! - Question : how comes CW weighs so much more than its challenger ? - CW is a powerhouse all right. But to really use that power, you must remember a lot of rather illogical interface choices, even if you are used to other "classical" DAWs. I am discovering WF, I think it is at the same time innovating and logical. - Yet CW has one important advantage : it has a score editor ! Maybe for some styles you do not need it that much (although it can always come in handy) but if you're into songwriting, blues, jazz, pop, classical... nothing can really replace that. Hear me, Tracktion ? - Included plugins should not be a decision-making point. There are hundreds of free VSTs around, some of them excellent. Even if you are on a budget, carefully choosing two or three that you will love for years and know inside out can be worth paying. - If something does not work, one must not necessarily accuse the DAW. The problem can be a little something silently gone wrong in your system, and programmers can not foresee every possible problem. Cubase will not install on my PC, because it considers it is 32 bit, although it is 64. Steinberg could not find any solution. Hope my English is all right.
Kinda is..... People don't want to "commit" to an answer. A bit frustrating since mostly all reviews do this. I know that no one wants to piss off a potential sponsor or fanbase but JUST SAY WHAT YOU LIKE, RANK IT THAT WAY, AND WHY.
I want to try myself out in making movie soundtracks. not really into electronic music that normally gets compared. Is there a favorite for you if you are going all in for soundtracks? I guess its up for the better instruments which make the soundtrack sound good. Do you have a video on free good instrument packs?
both of this daws are lid and very good when u start out ,both bandlab and waveform made me realise something that fl studio is easier than both of them but fl is pretty expensive pretty expensive to me tracktion wins the battle because this guys are lid, for real, i used cakewalk bt as soon as i saw your video on free daws ,saw waveform and im smiling ever since i touched it not bad at all if u not lazy to learn thanks zane at simple green tech you the best winner
I think it is worth mentioning that Cakewalk have the option to lock the piano roll in a specific scale, while you need a pro version of waveform to do that
The think is there's no progress bar and it takes some time to download. I started it, waited for couple of minutes, took shower, after like 35 minutes I came back and it was still downloading something. aafter 40+ minutes, it finally promted me to install
I loved using waveform, I purchased waveform 9 and 10 and was actually prefering it over my native Logic until I bought the Slate VMS and the VMR crashed Waveform every time. Do Slate plugins work on the latest version?
I tried both of these recently and I have to say I prefer using cakewalk. Waveform had one simple problem that I could not figure out in that it simply wouldn't play back my recorded audio when I hit the big obvious play button. Maybe I needed an amp plug in for it to make any sound but I got no notification of such thing being an issue like I did with the midi keys I was recording as well. The only way it would play back audio was by double clicking the individual clip and it would simply play the loop and I was constantly doing that while trying to move or resize the clip. With cakewalk, it was much more straightforward. Open a track, record it, and it played back. And adding new plug ins is intuitive enough that I'm definitely committed to learning how to maximize the potential of what this software offers. Maybe I could have gotten more out of waveform if I put more time into figuring it out but with both being free, it was an easy decision just to try the other one after trying the first one.
No, the installation doesn't stall/get stuck. After the download if Cakewalk you get the UAC pop-up. It often happens to me that I'm busy with other stuff and once you didn't deal with the UAC it will stop the installation. Then you have to start over again.
It’s still free right now and if you grab Cakewalk by Bandlab for free now, you can continue to use it for free even after the new Cakewalk Sonar comes out.
I started out with Cakewalk(brand new to all this stuff) but so far the installation has been very troublesome with the instruments unable to install corectly so I'm not using it at present till they fix this.Waveform on the other hand had no such problems and I have already started adding my own VSTs sucessfully. The interface looks much more modern than Cakewalk so I'll be sticking with Waveform for the time being.
I tried six DAWs when I got started two years ago. They were all free versions of "brand name" DAWs. I was unable to get Cakewalk to download so I never was able to experience their product. After trying the six that did download I found that Waveform seemed the most intuitive for me so I made a commitment to master it. Thanks to your videos I had no problem learning all the features available. Ultimately I was so impressed with Waveform 11 Free that I paid to upgrade to Waveform 11 Pro. It has never disappointed me. Anything that I want to do, Waveform supports and once I watch one of your videos I can make it work! That said, I recently discovered Mixbus by Harrison (built on the Ardour platform). It's a very different kind of DAW but I'm loving it. There's a free trial version and two paid versions (one being dirt-cheap). Now I use both Waveform and Mixbus. If I want a to do a quick job I grab Waveform. If I'm going for a higher quality experience (at the expense of time) I use Mixbus. Both Waveform and Mixbus will remain my "DAWs of choice."
When I started doing my own recording,I've downloaded a few free daws. I stuck with Waveform and upgraded to the paid version. Very easy to use and great all around. Only downside for traction is their support as they never replied to some of my queries, but Zane helped me out brilliantly and everything works smoothly!
I'm sorry to hear that too! It's been a wild year and at times we've had to prioritize our Pro license holders. Things are somewhat better now though and support is getting back to normal. Thanks for the support :)
Can I ask what the difference is between payed and free Waveform? I'm a cakewalk user and comfortable with it but I want to give Waveform a try. Thank you.
Once you said that Wave form free didn’t have amp sims, the ref started counting. That’s like sending an 80 pounder in to fight Ali wearing pink parties and no mouth piece
none of the DAWs have realistic sound amp sims though, so to me that's a moot point. I always recommend 3rd party software for amp sims. The rest of the built in plugins are fine, but amp simps are never quite up to par in these DAWs.
Native amp sims should NOT be a part of the decision, as there are tons of free & BETTER amp sims available out there. Waveform's interface works miles better for me.
No matter how many times I try move to a new DAW, I always end up back at Cakewalk. Bandlab isnt as bad as you made it sound. That issue never showed up for me. Also you can use cakewalk without it now.
I have been using Waveform 11 now for a little bit and just switched to Cakewalk, since Waveform doesn't really work well with all plugins. Cakewalk has really nice organising of plugins and the plugin windows work a lot better than with waveform, which can bug out easily!
I’ve never had an issue with Waveform and plugins and I use a lot of plugins. But use whatever works best for you. Cakewalk is a solid program so you can go wrong with it. Thank you for watching. Keep creating! 👊👍
I have limited CPU, and I think what you're referring to is when all of the plugins crash when the "sandboxing" crashes, when you use to much CPU for your computer. All you do is enable sandboxing again, but it might crash again unless you remove a plugin. I recently watched a video that said that you don't need to run all of the plugins in the sandbox, running them in the sandbox uses extra CPU, so if you trust a plugin, you can untick sandboxing for that plugin, saving CPU. Before doing that though, you can varify the plugin if you want, just by clicking a button. If it passes the tests, it doesn't need to be run in the sandbox. This has saved me a lot of CPU in my mixes, I can use a lot more plugins at the one time now. Something else I found was it's best to wait until the background tasks are completed before trying to play a mix with a lot of plugins, that's the main reason the plugins crash when you try to play an edit that worked fine when you saved it, you just have to wait a minute until there's enough CPU free. I don't think any of this is the program's fault, except perhaps for the fact that it sandboxes every plugin by default, making it use more CPU than is necessary, but at least you're protected from shoddy or malicious plugins, and it's not hard to remove trusted plugins from the sandboxing list. If you have a decent computer, I don't think you have these problems anyway.
Cakewalk - huge value for such a full-scale DAW. It's only free because a young Asian millionaire (his Dad a palm oil billionaire I believe) bought Sonar, but that's good fortune for DAW users. With its origins in MIDI, Cakewalk has massive MIDI functionality compared to, for example, Studio One, and other more modern DAWs that were written when many in the industry assumed MIDI was a dying format.
Oh cmon, you gotta pick one! I personally started out in 2014 with Sonar X3. Loved it. Such an intuitive DAW. Packed with powerhouse features. But I eventually moved on after Gibson took over. I eventually tried Waveform, and for me, Waveform is the best free DAW. It’s logical, nice to look at, less cluttered, innovative and forward looking, modern, has useful action bars, a much better midi editor, a pattern generator like Scaler built right in, track recall (for arrangement experimentation), and chord and arrangement tracks. Cakewalk was once a premium DAW, and it can still be a great free DAW for beginners or those on a budget. But Waveform is just too good to pass up. Best free DAW, hands down. Cakewalk is just a bit too old.
Originally, I prefer Cakewalk since the workflow is kinda familiar with me, since I used to be using Studio One Prime, but now since my Cakewalk got some bugs? I don't really sure, and make me can't import audio at all (It always says RIFF FILE CREATED FAIL), so I'm trying to learn Waveform (wich I previously give up because it seems so complex for me) more seriously and I think now I like it, especially the instrument rack, it is dope!
Cakewalk even has a matrix , like the funny ableton session view or performance mode in fl studio, I would like this also in reaper, wich is my favorite DAW forever.
Great video. I think showing the mixer on the waveform screen would have been a good idea though, when that's up, you have the more traditional view found in DAWs like cakewalk combined with Waveform's style of interface. I'm pointing that out for people reading this comment later, they might think you don't get that mixing desk view in Waveform. The channel strip in Cakewalk was interesting, but Waveform's Racks do the same thing, with much more variation. I haven't really tried many of the preloaded racks to be honest, I've just made my own, which really couldn't be easier. I'm really happy with Waveform, as someone used to analogue mixing, I found it very easy to adapt to using it, but I'm still sort of using an analogue approach. As time goes on though, I'm learning to get the most out of it and do things the easy way. I highly recommend it for anyone looking for a DAW to do some recording.
Do you have any videos on how to record the SI-Drum Kit in Traction Waveform 13 Free? I'm pulling my hair out trying to record a drum track. Thanks. Love your videos.
I’ve tried LMMS and actually have a few videos on it. These are quite a bit more advanced than LMMS. If you just want to toy around with some midi then LMMS can be alright. But these have better midi capabilities while adding a ton of other features.
Very helpful video. I'm transferring from proTools First that came with my Focusrite AAudio Interface because AVID is not supporting Pro tools First. Tried Cakewalk and it looks like an easy transition from Pro tools First. Haven't tried Waveform yet, but will.
Which one provides the best instructions to the absolute beginners. I downloaded cakewalk loaded it up and I've got this screen that I'm looking at and I'm thinking ok and now I do what? I'd have better luck trying to launch a make your own space shuttle kit next week.
So this is the exact point I am at in my journey with music making software... deciding between Waveform and Cakewalk. I currently have Cakewalk installed and I am doing OK in it. But I think I might give WF another try. I also do video editing and the interface of Waveform seems more like a non-linear video editor so might be better suited to me. I am a complete noob to creating music on the computer. I just got a M-Audio Keystation mini 32 Mk3 as a cheap intro to midi keyboards. If I am a beginner, which do you think is the best to start with? I have no plans to become a studio engineer so learning the "traditional" style of DAW is not important. Love your channel, btw. Keep it up!
Personally I find the workflow of Waveform easier. I’ve been using Waveform as my go to DAW for a couple years now and I’ve really been enjoying it but everyone is different. Give it a try and see what you think. If Cakewalk works better for you then stick with it. Or switch to waveform if it fits your style better. Thank yo for watching. Keep creating! 👊👍
After buying and being using Waveform for a couple of months I can say (in my biased opinion) that Cakewalk is a way better DAW than the amateur Waveform.
Is there any easy way to merge clips or just connect them together on waveform? I’m having problems getting my clips to connect to each other without a pause in the recording
I paid for Pro Tools a few years ago and the free DAWs that are available now leave the supplied software for dead, and don't require a dongle! So yeah, looks like I paid $700 for a $150 audio interface 🤦♂️
Calkwalk is the best program out...only reason people wont agree...is because it dont come on A Mac....and I dont have a problem with that because i have a super computer.I built for music....
I hate that almost every free daw requires you to register an account. That's why I'm probably just going to end up starting with LMMS. And in conjunction with Audacity to record vocals if needed.
Hey, I have been using waveform 11 that comes with my behringer product. The first song I recorded, it came out very great. But I think I may have changed a setting or clicked a button wrongly because now my mic gain is suddenly very low and gives a hiss type of noise too. I didn't have a problem with it on my first recording. Same day, it happened when I went on for the chorus. Tried doing all my best to reset it but it didn't help. Everything is perfect, the connections, sound and all. But I think the mic gain setting for the daw is suddenly changed. Can you please give a solution to this? Please.
If built in instruments is what you want, Cakewalk has more but with either option you’re likely going to want to add third party instruments and both will allow you to do that. Both will work for what you want. It comes down to which one’s workflow you prefer. You should maybe download both and see what one you like best.
@@AudioTechTV It's because I'm coming from garage band for iPad and I was looking for something similar in the way that they have tons of instruments for midi and hundreds of synthesizers. I heard waveform had something called collective which seems the most similar to me but I'm not sure. I also tried downloading cakewalk but they only have like 3 instruments, or I don't know where to find the others.
Hello , i have tried both, but i prefer Waveform Free daw over cakewalk by far, easier to use, awesome interface, CPU friendly etc. but the cakewalk have better built-in (plugins-instruments)... but i am facing an issue with Waveform Free daw , i am unable to use the (record bottom, pause, sliders etc. ...) of my launchkey midi controller, is there anyway to fix it ?
Hi can you show us how to build a chanel strip for Waveform please. i am quite new to that daw and kinda have issues with it for there is no chanelstrip and i found it very hard to work without allthoug i got around without. one major issue i have is the transport console : you are not able to move it up for example Lol i am so used to the cakewalk transport console that i allways find my self going up with the mouse. If there is a possibility to change the position of the console and to build a chanelstrip that is allways there ( similar to cakewlak ) it were very nice if you could do a video on that thank you alot : you was the reason i downloaded Tracktion and i like it but there are these things. one thing - and i cant find the reason for that - does disturb me alot: i made e beat for a song and now when i open the project that beat is only partialy there i dono how that happens in WF or why but i have to redo that beat
Hi, thanks for your video. I ask you and the "Waveform 11 Community" if this DAW consumes a lot of resources. I have an Intel i5 3rd gen PC + 12 GB RAM + 480 GB SSD with Windows 10 Pro. My legal Mixcraft 9 Pro, bought and paid for, CRASHES with plugins that are not up to date, you know well why(!) I ask you for advice please because sometimes my DAW wrecks all the work of hours and hours, although it is the easiest to handle. This Waveform 11 lifts "all" plugins? VST2 VST3 regardless of where they come from? It consumes as many resources as Reaper, more or less? I thank you each and everyone for your answer. Best regards.
is there a way to do midi panic in waveform ? i'm using synth1 vst and sometimes it bugs with sound still playing when i do nothing so i need midi panic to stop it (i could of course use external keyboard or software but it's not practical if there's a solution directly from waveform). if i close waveform and then restart it, synth1 vst don't work anymore. to fix this i've loaded it in reaper (takes a moment because of that bug reaper need to fix it before loading) and i can then use it in waveform again but it's also laborious to do that each time it bugs. is there a macro reference manual somewhere ?
