Cal Kestis is Proof the Jedi Were Wrong 

MEH

"alan" you must unite with the Dolphins against DISNEY to save starwars

16:30 This part kinda speaks to my soul

What do you think Luthen Rael was before the empire?

Rey Nobody, not my Skywalker

He must have learned from David Tennant...

@@HHopebringer Jedi Master David Tennant

@@mcpics4448 he's not a Master. He's The Doctor.

​@@HHopebringer If anyone could be both, it's him.

​@Dan Nowlan Your all wrong It's his poncho

Dude the one scene in the game where he first received his blaster emphasized your point 100%

Yeah the Jedi in that Ivory tower on Coruscant were so disconnected from the average citizen of the galaxy and it became one of their biggest flaws

Ummm... you do realize Jedi went OUTSIDE the temple to solve problems in the name of the Republic right? Also, last I checked there were more Jedi than there ever were for a longer period od compared to the Sith Which proves the Jedi right. The Jedi were wise and embraced peace a little too much but they weren't idiots unlike the people who criticize them -_-

@@alexanerose4820 I'm not saying the Jedi are inherently wrong. I'm saying they're sheltered. Most people in the galaxy don't live in the safety of a state sponsored monastic temple, their needs entirely cared for while they pursue a life of service and spiritual enlightenment. A Jedi Master has never endured, say, the struggle of working a backbreaking job of hard labor in order to scrounge up enough money so his or her children can eat. They've never had to worry about paying their taxes, maintaining their home, living among a community of people who value their attachments to others rather than thinking they are something to avoid. They spend their lives looking at the big picture, at the diplomacy between entire worlds while learning how to wield a lightsaber and move objects with their mind. They're disconnected from most of the people they serve.

@@alexanerose4820 Part of the story of the Fall of the Jedi is *indeed* their willful ignorance of their own arrogance.

She also had a rather unpleasant experience with Taron Malicos, a fallen jedi. So I think she'll be able to recognize what's going on and help Cal better because of it.

No

Common misconception in star wars, the prequels told you that attachment lead you down into the darkside. Lot "love".

But it’s forbidden for Jedi to be in romantic relationships tho in the Star Wars series

Attachment leads to the dark side, not love. It's not even attachment that leads to it, it's the negative side of it such a jealousy, fear of loss, and disappointment. Those lead to the dark side, not love.

Good point. He'd be a perfect Battlemaster indeed. Luke is a great combatant, but hes more of a monk like Qui Gon. Cal is a serious warrior.

He’d probably also teach about the diversity of saber types and styles that are out there, and teach them how to wield each one properly, i also imagine he’d teach how to use a blaster, since both him and Luke used them before and i can see them being more allowing with their use

In book of Boba Fett, Luke still try to teach Grogu the old ways of the Jedi with no attachment and stuff. What if Luke meeting Cal is what cause him to realize that relationship and emotion is a good thing and Luke use that to build new Jedi order.

@@voratittchunharuckchot9711 That would then explain why Luke succumbed to his fear and attempted to end ben solo in TLJ

Can't believe the Jedi thought a lightsaber was more civilised then a blaster. One of them leave a hole in your body, the other one can pretty much cut you in any place with minor force

lol, really? I've been wanting a darksider game.

honestly I thought it was pretty interesting how we have the mechanic for that now - a quick and easy win but it requires using the dark side, or a slower hard-earned win through skilled gameplay. The fact it has no real effect is also interesting. He seems to be able to use his emotions, A.K.A "ThE dArK sIdE" to great effect without necessarily committing himself to it.

@@ThePigeon5734 be almost fell to the dark side but didn’t because of his goth gf

@@badmoose01 I know, I spent the last three days doing nothing but playing the game lol.

​@@dianabarnett6886 Cal uses the dark side a lot in combat really but he doesn't let it consume him

As I always say, imagine if Anakin got therapy lol

The Jedi order didn’t fail dooku or anakin they were just greedy and allowed their fear to take control. If you have people there to help you understand the world around you and yourself and you choose to betray them for more power your the issue not them

Dooku: Embrace the darkness? Qui-Gon: As long as it didn’t cons- Yoda: No. Qui-Gon and Dooku: What? Yoda: I said no. Darkness bad. Light side good. Dooku: *sighs* Qui-Gon: I’m leaving Jedi Order with Obi-Wan. Yoda: Then you will never return.

@@mcgavinclapping9490 you quite literally explained how they failed them lol

@@HelFrostKara To his credit, he did try to. All he had was Yoda, though, telling him that he should actually be thankful for people dying around him because hey, they're with the Force now! Guess how that turned out.

Kanen died. Ezra got taken. One od the other jedi in the mando prolly got le shot.

what if all those who've been captured and turned into Inquisitors, would also be there? 😉

Most of them were dead or in permanent hiding by then

@@peterwong8028 also the galaxy is mind a bogglingly big place.

​@chrisflagg1329 Everyone knew about the Rebellion, it's just silly for Disney to have so many survivors who didn't do anything to try and help the people who want to bring back the Republic, or did so in very very small ways

It's a small shame that the game can't really convey all the facial expressions. He often has "neutral" face when not in a cutscene u-u

@@ForestRaptor Im glad I'm not the only one thinking that. MoCap has come a long way but I subtle facial features are still lacking.

As much as i would love seing Cal in live action and seing Cameron flex his acting skills i don't want to see disney handling Cal's character, i hope i don't need to explain why

Episodes 7, 8, & 9 are all the explanation needed.

@@FoxMagi force awakens isn’t even that bad and while the other 2 r hot garbage Disney still gave us the best Vader scenes and the mandalorian

She had completely cut herself off from the force though. So yes she knew stuff, she still didn't have a connection with the force at the time.

That's the point she didn't overboard it and cover him but she helped him when he needed it

@@pineapplepapercrafts except the end of the first game, unless she recut herself off after that.

Plus, she knighted him.

@@butterflymage5623 she didn't.

I knew that I wasn't the only one!

Thank you for the Airbender analogy! God bless your geek soul!

So does that mean greez is iroh

Cere was Iroh p much. Greez is more of a Sokka

post season 2 sokka or sexist sokka

And become and Danger to themselves and others...it really was a Nuclear Option

It was in the legends, but weren't old Jed'ai the agressors when some of them started using and developing alchemy? They pulled the trigger first so to say. Who can say whether it was justified or not

@@Aurilion44 No. It's the age-old adage of "Power Corrupts, Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely." The first force users discovered they were a minority of the sentient population. But they were granted powers that placed them above their 'normal' peers. Since many of them gathered as pilgrims they sought to understand 'The Call' as they came to realize 'The Force'. Of course there will always be some who get mistreated for 'being different' or are just simply born ambitious. They come to realize they have power that makes them greater and because of that, they believe that power grants them Power and Authority. In short, they believe themselves to Rule. It is this temptation that led to the first Dark Jedi. The first ones to wield the Force in Dark Ways. That twisted it from its natural form into a tool made to be wielded by a chosen select few. But as they twisted it, it also twisted them. Of course there were some among their number who realized that they were not meant to use The Force in this manner and opposed them for it. This is what lead to the First Great Schism. To the Jedi and the Dark Jedi. It wasn't until the 3rd great schism and the Dark Jedi being banished into space with no way to control their prison ships they crashed on Korriban and took control of the local population of Sith Purebloods. Eventually interbreeding resulted in the race dying out and the Dark Jedi taking on their name and society to create the Sith we know from the dichotomy. Ambition and Power corrupting people to do dark things. It's not unique to the Jedi.

and they were mostly right. Dark Siders pretty much all started going loopy. It may not have happened instantly but, we don't know of any that had a flat positive effect on the universe the way many Jedi did after they fell.

@@Aurilion44 Yes, they did a orbitial bombardment on Korriban after they won and slaughered a lot of women and children. The Dark Jedi didn't do such they just wanted to give the Jed'ai the smoke. This is why the Sith ended up so bitter and ruthless because after they lost the Jedi were cruel just as they became.

And then she wanted Meetra to be a nuke to the Force.

@@mrjtfang2 well her philosophy wasn't perfect.

@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 That's the point. She pointed out the failures of the Jedi and the Sith, but more importantly, the imperfect nature of human beings.

@@fatasssquirrel1731 yes.

Kreia was full of shit, full stop. Irl we don't have the Force yey we have forces of great evil

Yooo, that’s a fire story. That sounds so cool!!

Aw man that sounds like such a cool story!!

Interestingly enough, I think this idea was placed into either Legends or Cannon. If I'm not mistaken, even KOTOR2 covered this, but still a cool concept.

@@ExtremeredfoxSounds like you’re talking about the KOTOR comics. Loved those.

PLEASE see if you can make this into an audio series. Make a Kickstarter

That was what Luke learnt in the legends books. His New Jedi would have to be a part of the society, rather than apart from it.

There is a great bit of dialog between Cere and Greez in the first game. Greez said that he never met jedi before her. Because they never came to his planet to help his people. His home wasn't important enough for the Republic. Which is very telling

thanks for sharing this brother, it was an awesome read

​@@ekaf1735what telling? The galaxy is big, the chance for Jedi to not come to a planet is low and the chance for Greez (only 1 person in a unimportant planet) to meet one is even lower.

They started taking their code too literally.

Exactly this. Seperating yourself from the things that draws you to the dark side makes the fall so much easier due to a lack of understanding. It's essentially like having no coping mechanism for when you experience something. If you can find an effective way to deal with it, it's so much easier to work through rather than destroy you.

Reminds me of the story of Artorias. A completely unbeatable warrior in combat, but because his soul had absolutely zero darkness within it, the abyss swallowed him almost instantly.

Why would the incorporate darkness?? You idiots ever consume anything other that the movies? Clearly incorporating darkness leads to the dark side in every instance except one.. but you clowns fake ass Star Wars fans spreading foolishness on RU-vid

@@CorwinTheOneAndOnly The Lich King?

Or jaden korr, Those games need a upgrade or remastered

Didn't Ben Yahtzee Croshaw make that comparison when he reviewed Fallen Order?

Yea

I’d call him more of a Jaden Korr or even like Jax Paven. I don’t see him becoming crazy powerful like Kyle Katarn.

Kyle's bandolier and shoulder pauldron is a cosmetic option. So is Dash Rendar's outfit

I met Cameron a few years ago at a con in Vancouver super nice

Praise gay Jesus

you say voice actor but in this, he's not just that, Cameron is Cal, I would only apply voice actor to characters that look nothing like the va and didn't mocap

They were warned multiple times, even before the clone wars, from the Force to multiple people and they still chose to ignore the trouble until it was too late to do something about it.

Arrogance was their end. They stop seeing the path too accommodated in their self righteousness and being the weapon of the senate.

@@sebas8225 It’s called being influenced by Darth Sidious. They failed but don’t overstate it

This mistaken belief is consistently regurgitated ad nauseam. It is a conceit that the Jedi and the Council were _OMNICIENT_ which they _NEVER_ were. Darth Sidius was a cunning dark _master_ of deceit and manipulation. Even _DISNEY_ Star Wars confirms his power and forethought. The Jedi Council could not believe fringe warnings from individual Jedi that the Sith had returned because _they_ collectively could not sense a locus of Sith evil amidst the waves of everyday evils from which they were _BOUND_ to protect the Galactic Republic. The Jedi Order may have failed _itself_ by not launching an Inquisition, but such an Inquisition is a tool of the Sith and _not_ the Jedi.

​@@vintifada7115Sidious merely played on their own arrogance and narrow mindedness. To put it all down to Sidious is not only false, it ignores the major problems with the prequel era Jedi.

Highly doubt it

Prepare to be let down.

Keep your expectations low my dude

As long as Witch Kennedy remains, don't expect too high just yet.

I wouldn't put my faith in movies or shows... in fact this saga is the only piece left that keeps me hoping for a good SW story.

It’s called being corrupted and influenced by politics and Darth Sidious

@@vintifada7115 I don't think being misguided and easily tricked are the fatal flaws. That practically describes everyone. The flaw is that Jedi cast judgement on everyone including themselves for having a human, imperfect, experience. And therefore they couldn't see the darkness that the Sith, the Senate, and etc were casting over the Galaxy.

@@wesleywallace4426 See but that’s the thing that’s not what happened. They didn’t cast judgment on him for that. They know that. They ask for more from Jedi than your average person for one. And for two to be MINDFUL of his feelings not to push them away to be dealt with later. Blockages, attachment, darkness…must be overcome mindfully. To read judgement into that scene says a lot about a person. They did see the darkness. They were actually very close to discovering it. The thing is about darkness is you know you’re clouded in it that’s all you can see. The senate and republic is corrupt, there’s a Sith Lord out there contributing to and causing darkness and that’s about all they can know. They weren’t easily tricked, misjudged, or judgmental. Their strengths were turned into weaknesses. Their success of one thousand years of peace can make you complacent/unprepared, and their best to remain apolitical and not scheming not political people do led to being politically outmaneuvered. These are flaws but not faults

Ha ha good one! Also Mark's a joker too!

The balance that Cal has between the light and dark side reminds me of a part of the assassin’s oath from assassin’s creed, “We work in the dark to serve the light.” Even Yoda recognized that the way of the order was very flawed, mainly in their rejection of love. The old order kinda just assumed that it was light side good and dark side bad but if it was ever that simple, than 80% of Star Wars problems would be nonexistent. Cal and Merrin getting together was a massive step for Cal because he gave up on the fight to restore the order because he realized that the order was flawed, that it was his chance to make something more of his life than just the fight. Also with Cal getting with Merrin he runs the massive risk of turning completely to the dark side if something were to happen to her, this is even addressed in the game.I think that for the Jedi to survive and prosper, they all have to make peace with both their light and dark side, which Cal still has a ways to go in that regard. Instead of one side of the force fighting against the other, they have to coexist with one another. The “good” emotions that bring on the light and the “bad” emotions that bring on the dark have to be there. The order tried to banish all the things that could lead one to the dark side, which more times than you would think would work in the opposite way. Take Anakin for an example, when they tried to push him so far into the light that he wasn’t able to experience a life, the hate he felt for the order lead him to the dark, and after being in the dark for so long, his love for his son brought him back to light. For the war between the sides to end, there has to be a using and coexist of them both.

@@playhard5753 Honestly, Anakin loved the Jedi Order, but that was his doom. To hate something first you had to love it. Hate isn't the opposite of love since you still care about something. It's dispassion/being emotionless. Add to this, Jedi Order was pretty hypocritic (big straw of he is too dangerous to be kept alive) and was all about absolutism. You failed once, made a mistake, let dark side move you? That's it, you're gonna be expelled in the very best scenario or much more likely executed, no second chances. So Anakin felt like he had no choice, but jump headfirst into Palpatine's grasp and hope for the best. Didn't work out. Hell, in the end he was saved because despite all his crimes Luke was still willing to help him out in atoning for it and forgive him.

I can imagine in the future, after the Sequels Trilogy, The Jedi Order will be a group of gray Jedi, they will study BOTH sides of the force.

"Falling to the dark side" as a phrase generally refers to having outright already lost your balance of emotions and acting against the Force. You can't really be both at once. But the techniques and mindsets the Jedi traditionally shun for being too dark, I think do have merit, case in point Merrin herself. Just as human attachment and love were important, yet shunned (and feared, hypocritically) as an official stance. You gotta bend a bit for the better outcome sometimes, the only problem happens when you actually snap. Zombies are a bit of a squick area though.

And considering where Canon leads after Episode 6, I'd welcome it.

Honestly they should´ve implemented a concept like this for light sith already, really thought Knights of Ren were going to be something like it but instead it was just: "Group that serves X Sithlord" same as Inquisitors, AKA boring, we should be getting into new stuff like Ro1 Krayt´s sith empire or Light Sith Knights.

She also regained the force. And trained Cal.

I don't believe she cut herself off from the force, she suppressed her connection to it out of fear of touching the force

@@vexile1239 she says she cut herself off from the force, as like a punishment. Well I'm pretty sure that's what she said.

@@Barney_rubble983 if she had cut herself off from the connection to the force she could have become like Surik, she would be unable to hear or even use the force and it was shown that she could still use the force near the end of the game

@@Barney_rubble983 She thought she cut herself off from it, but she in fact surpressed Force out of fear/by fear of its power. Just like Cal or Obi-wan. After they all worked out their fears their connection was restored. If she was truly cut off then she would no longer be force sensitive and would have truly and irrevocably lost it apart with very, very rare exceptions

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It’s crazy the degree to which today’s Star Wars fan is basically willing to look for every Jedi to be this mystical “grey Jedi” as much as possible when the light side has always been the truth. The Star Wars universe canon has always been that the dark side has always been evil. It’s not some middle ground that’s good. The dark side is all corrupting and evil. People may think it’s different than the real world and so do I, but that’s not an in universe canon explanation. That’s peoples own morality dictating their “head canon.” Frustrating. I’ve seen people claim Ahsoka is better than Yoda lmfao

⁠​⁠@@vintifada7115IKR, it’s like yeah the old Jedi messed up, but they were just missing some important parts like love and connection. They still stood for 1000 generations doing plenty of good. Jedi and Sith are not the same, although the old order had become similar in that they were not following the will of the Force via the balance. A true Jedi like Luke and Qui gon serve the balance of light and dark.

@@JDog2656 -__- No dude you’re still wrong. You’re exactly the kind of person I’m talking about who thinks they understand and you still say some garbage. Somehow there’s a balance between good and evil? How are you going to sit there and claim Qui Gon and Luke serve both the light and dark? What kind of backwards view of the entire saga do you have? And so is the council despite peoples’ protestations btw. It’s just that good guys sometimes fail bc the dark side is overwhelming. Love was there in TCW. Love was in the movies too it’s downplayed by people like you or the RU-vidrs you’ve watched who don’t care to be honest

@@vintifada7115 no I mean the dark side is a part of the balance but the point is that the balance is in the light while acknowledging the dark. Whereas a Sith is consumed by the dark side and inherently goes against will of the Force ie the balance. So equal parts Jedi and Sith are not balance. A true Jedi and the will of the Force are the balance

@@JDog2656 Sure it’s just not rejecting your dark side it’s overcoming it. Be mindful of your feelings Yoda says. Ig you were closer than I initially thought but Luke and Qui Gon are not unique in that way from other Jedi that’s what I’m getting at. You’ve got part of it right but still fall for the cult of Qui Gon anti council stuff. Luke’s great he openly has a great understanding of balance as demonstrated in the throne room scene of ROTJ but it’s not one that’s opposed to Yoda, Mace, Obi Wan etc….Anakin didn’t apply the lessons

I see him as the real jedi survivor. Hes my favorite character.

Malicos was a terrifying villain because he wasn't entirely wrong.

Exactly it's like the people that are self-taught look at Eddie Van Halen R.I.P. He never had guitar lessons, he was known as one who improvised like Mozart.

The Mandalorians rendered their planet a wasteland fyi

The Jedi way is not folly, they just got some things wrong. The point of Luke was to show how a true Jedi follows the will of the force with compassion and selflessness. The Sith are the ones who actively pervert the Force

Welp let's hope Disney takes you up on that offer probably not

bad batch is unlikely as he is still a child in the early empire. meeting the bad batch and eventually fighting the empire would hurt his story since he isnt supposed to fight the empire until the events on the dumpster planet in the first game. Andor is also unlikely since the creators of the show are against using established characters or characters from other media in their show. They dont want to make the universe small and keep the stories seperate. Ahsoka though could work. Kestis could be written to be in his prime and the age of the actor fits the time period. Filoni is also the type of creator to always have cameos and connect everything.

Kinda doubt we will be seeing him in anything live action for a few years tbh. KK made it sound like they were waiting for his trilogy of games to be complete and that story told before they consider putting him in any of the live action projects, as per what she said when asked about the subject in a recent interview anyways. Tho he could be in some like the Bad Batch season 3. Like, the Bad Batch could be on a mission and run into a young Cal on Bracca or whatever planet his escape pod crashed on. The Bad Batch were already on Bracca in the first season sooo

Older cal in mando would be cool

@@GalaktischerHirnsauger during ahsoka Cal would be 43

@@hexfire3037 so Ahsoka is 47 in that??

Yeah he´s a interesting Grey Jedi for Sure, Ahsoka would´ve been fine fighting up the empire directly whereas Cal would be like: "We gotta rescue the refugees and leave them in a safe haven instead" type of character

It’s amazing

I... don't agree... But that's okay.

People just dont get why Luke Skywalker is loved. Defeating Vader was just a facet of what Luke Skywalker was as a character he was a FAMILY MAN! And that was the entire point of the Sequel EU canon, his new Jedi Order was supposed to be cemented on this notion of Family, something Disney betrayed when it had that horrendous scene of Luke trying to kill Kylo. Luke never would do that.

​@sebas8225 But the THOUGHT he might frightened him just like it would've frightened anyone of good conscience. Skywalker's don't do well with visions.

​​@@K1ng1995Luke isn't Anakin though, that was the whole point of his arc in ROTJ. Anakin would probably have reacted like that but not Luke.

@@fandomking8939 I never said he was. But children of people who have a history of substance abuse or a genetic disorder means the odds CAN be that much higher

I think you mean the predecessors of jedi, the jedi have been dogmatic for atleast 5 thousand years.

Reminds me of the transition of the early Latin church into the modern day papacy, very decentralized AT FIRST

Nah cal is a gay liberal that’s destined to make all new mistakes because he’s incapable of learning from the old mistakes.

He looks like Ian gallagher from shameless so they'd use that actor

@@FreshHotTar and from what we see. He learned some tricks from Mark and seems to enjoy being in the universe. Plus old man kestis teaching rey would give her some type of help plot wise and tie up his character if they don't give him a show or another game

@@jaimiebrown4055 I'd be down for all of that but knowing Disney's track record, they'll probably fuck it up. Sucks that they have a near endless budget but can't Hire good story writers.

@@FreshHotTar we can only hope.

Oh yes, George definitely wanted more toy sales revenue no debate, he was greedy and thats how Star Wars got sold to Disney in the firstplace, George did it for money and in some part Ego and brings it whenever someone asks him about star wars.

Yes but Jedi fanboys missed the point.

Frozen was a great Jedi metaphor!

​@YunusDrillinger because strangely, it's a fitting metaphor of why the previous Jedi Order failed.

To withhold help out of resentment from when they experienced trauma is terrible lol. I'm not sure "most" turn away from it. Most people use that experience to feel too much empathy to watch others suffer the same way. They try to warn and prevent the same mistakes.

I could absolutely see Cal forming a secret Jedi Order on Tanalorr, and them eventually losing the means to leave (the compasses get destroyed or lost). Then they get found during the Ahsoka series or something. Heck, maybe that's where the hyperspace whales took Ezra

@@jacobcenter7374 Would be awesome to seeing Thrawn talking to force users!

Someone needs to mentor these crazy force users properly. A more decentralized system would work better than having one orthodox organization.

@@GenerationTech while I do agree. Especially since I was developing an alternate future for my fan fiction story of episodes 8&9. One where Force users are allowed to choose their own path. It would center around Rey, Finn, Poe, Ben, and two characters I created building a new decentralized order. Not Jedi or Sith. I guess in a way, similar to what Luke did in legends? I couldn't get into legends stuff. That tangent aside, an order that would accept beings of all ages and species for training. Those that want to learn the basic arts would come for minor training, those that want to contribute to something greater than themselves would join the order. The Jedi as they are, take children and seclude them from their families and indoctrinate them. That also creates a centralized and group think methodology. It stifles creativity and individuality among their ranks to where Jedi Padawans and Knights are afraid to go outside the norm because the Masters tell them "that's the Dark Side". Giving those individuals no quarter on their choices. What Luke did for Grogu is more than what the Jedi have done in the past. He gave Grogu a choice: be a Jedi, or be a Mandalorian. Granted I'm glad Grogu chose to leave, yet should the choice be so open and shut? Should it be so definitive? Grogu had already been dealt a bad hand by being at the Temple during Order 66 and pursued for nearly 30yrs since. He had already turned away from the Force and forgot a lot of what he once knew, until Luke unlocked his memories. He allowed Grogu the choice as to how he wanted to live, yet that in turn cut him off from continuing down the Jedi path, at least in Luke's eyes. The choice given then turns to an absolute. What the Jedi do might appear to be selfless, yet from *Anakin voice* my POV the Jedi are selfish. They want to cover the Force as an instrument of Light only amd deny the Darkness that inherently exists in all things. That was their downfall once and the same thing happened again with Luke's New Jedi Order. They only seek to bolster their numbers and "prevent" the Dark Side from taking root. Instead of nurturing a person's natural talents and passions; they seek to cultivate it into thinking the way of the Jedi Order. As Alan said, the individuality of each member needs to be nurtured and allowed to grow. The best examples of this are: Dooku, Qui-Gon (Dooku allowed him to grow as an individual and cultivated his curiosity, however, the council didn't), Anakin, and even Luke to an extent.

That's honestly a good question I rarely hear. I hate to even bring it up, but The Last Jedi touched on it through Luke, if extremely poorly. ("After a thousand years of galactic peace, the Jedi screwed up this one time, so they suck forever") The execution was bad, but the question itself is worth pondering. Does the galaxy NEED the Jedi? It could be argued that as long as the Force keeps giving people superpowers, you need someone out there keeping them from getting out of hand. So, I'd say it's good to have around, but not in the form it was. The inflexible institutions, the ties to galactic government, that stuff needs to go. The Jedi are at their best in a less organized fashion.

@@dianabarnett6886 that was one of my favorite parts about TLJ as well. As you said, poorly executed. A new organization should be created, yet not to "keep them in check" just train them. Maybe organize something for them to join after. Something similar to a military organization like the Mandorians, yet an independent nation. Not beholden to the New Republic or galactic governing body. In legends and canon, there are hundreds of such Force sensitive organizations that teach the Force users of their species about the Force. This grand organization could seem to do the same. Form their own civilization as well. It would be nice to see. One with a completely different philosophy on the Force. My major inspiration on this comes from KOTOR 2.

The problem with the order is they're too isolated from the wider galaxy and too rigid in their doctrines and training methods that are often archaic