@@KristijanRisteski-zp7bxWhat? He was the only one in the group that felt bad about what was done to Bell. Even Park viewed Bell as just an experiment.
@@route77productions funny enough, so do I. bell was a useful idiot. and lazar is a mozzad douche while park is the first and so far only attractive female character in the entire franchise,
Another thing to support this, they say Adler worked in the ATA 10 years ago, right at the end of Cold War, maybe he wanted Bell, his personal project to turn out right
Also nobody pointing out that Emerson Black ordered the hit for Harrows parents. Emerson black being the deputy strategist in the CIA that calls Hudson multiple times to keep track of things in BO cold war
In the next sentence he says “it’s not Alex Mason” almost as if that was a kneejerk reaction and then after some thought he would go “probably not”, take a breather my guy
Idk how they would get Alex Mason in the game that takes place after his death other than like flashbacks and hallucinations. We're in the Adler arc now apparently.
I know it’s weird I really did enjoy the campaign but I was very confused by the end of it, one thing I did like was the horror aspect and Easter eggs to zombies and that it has way more secrets than Cold War did
Just like Phillip Graves “death” if we don’t see Jane Harrow die then she most likely isn’t dead and case and her both escape from the helicopter. She will probably come back in like 3 seasons to release cradle into warzone
@@mrmasky9783 im pretty sure it's still canon yeah, since Perseus is no longer a threat because we know who eventually WILL become the actual threat in 2025
It is Cane, because the we see him in the interrogation scene we get to see him multiple times and it’s pretty much Cane, but Case being Bell is a very good theory, one I’m in because we did see the red door once in one of the cutscenes
It’s not Cane it’s actually the guy we play as the whole time I had to go back and look closely. Cane have scars on his face deeply this character they shows does not at all I think they setting Case up to be a huge threat during the 90s I wonder how that’s going to go
@@anthonyworstell3768No. It was explained in the campaign that Pantheon is basically a rogue/disavowed division of the CIA with American and European operatives. They have nothing to do with Perseus. Or any connection they have hasn't been revealed yet.
but case is canonically a male but bell could be literally anyone whereas case has canonic details like a name (william caderall) a skin tone (white or lightskin) a gender (male)
14:00 why on earth would a cia operator that’s involved in a mission suddenly be required to be the cameraman in the office whilst livingstone is thrashing them because of a mission going wrong. If he is case he’d be sitting right next to them.
Thats true, the chances are that it’s likely Jackson Caine cuz he’s apart of the enemy team in multiplayer. I doubt it’s mason cuz they would have to do a much bigger twist if they did that. Case might have survived since the voice told him that he’s different from the other test subjects. It could also bell too
Yeah, the fact that Inkslasher actually believes that the guy recording the debriefing was Case is fucking stupid. That makes zero fucking sense. I don't know why anyone even listens to what he says anyway, he has the most stupid takes ever.
Maybe because he wasn’t planning on going? Or like idk, maybe he wasn’t one of the main soldiers and the decisions weren’t up to him, so maybe Livingstone told him to film since it’s not really any of his fault. Really not sure man.
First thought. The murderer of Jane Harrow’s parents is dressed, almost similar to Alex Mason impersonating Victor Reznov. Could it be why Panama betrayal occurred? Cause Jane harrow still doesn’t know who the killer is. Adler is one of the greatest character in CoD, but he’s still kinda shady. Just a thought
@@mordinsolus9507 after reading comments from other videos, apparently, the death of Jane Harrow’s parents happened a year prior. So I guess the theory is dead. But I agree with you, it would make sense for the death of Alex Mason and Panama betrayal
@@jerrythao9487 I agree. It would have made sense if they revealed Mason killed her parents because they never actually said who killed them or why. It would add more context to the shit that went down in Panama. I can certainly see her going to Menendez and offering her support, along with giving him Woods and Hudson, if he manipulates Woods into killing Mason for her. But she always believed it was Adler who killed her parents, so yeah, that theory is dead. I think it might have been Case. We don't know how old he is, he could be the same age as Adler or Woods. We know he was affected by the Cradle and he lost his memories because of it, not to mention Harrow never actually saw his face. I think her parents were murdered by Case under orders from Pantheon in 1960 and the email from Emerson Black was falsified to manipulate Harrow into believing it was the CIA who killed them.
There are alot of unanswered questions. They have so much room with all those mysteries to continue black ops series. That is why they probably didn't answer much in thos story.
Sounds interesting. If it was Bell: wouldn’t Woods, Adler or Sims recognize him? If was Case: Livingstone would be corrupted too; why would he be against “rogue BO” if he had case behind that mirror wall, like his superior? Either Cane or Mason. I know Treyarch said that Mason is dead but would’ve been cool if it was him, since the truth lies. Imagine him being the bad guy, like he has never been free.
@@Deathmare235 in warzone 2 he did had scars also caine has a unnamed brother to which everybody think died but I think he is still alive caine was Affiliated with Pantheon also so how about this whole time it’s his brother im gonna be so pissed cause nobody knows how his brother look some folks say they are twins but idk he is unnamed in the black ops universe
There is mention of "N6" in one of the notes in The Rook (I think its located in The Rook, anyway) Cradle being a strain of Nova 6 wouldnt be surprising. I figure the British commandos that interrupted Dragovich's test of Nova 6 in BO2 were able to recover a sample, and it ended up in American hands.
Don't forget about one of the voicelines that talks about the 2 brothers that were early test subjects of Cradle (one getting it through aerosol, and one getting a injection) What if Case is one of those, and the other brother is the guy in the final cutscene?
My theory was that it was always Bell, he basically joined Pantheon sometime after his “death” and since there is already I believe records of Bell in the CIA during Cold War, it’s possible Bell used this to get into the CIA and frame Adler cause to me, why frame Adler if you could frame a higher power. To me this felt like a revenge story against Adler and who would it better fit that part than Bell
@@Deathmare235 that’s the one problem, either he missed a vital shot, assumed he was dead then left or maybe he thought he killed him and threw him over the cliff at the end but Bell somehow survived, I don’t know but like I said that’s the one thing I can’t really think of for it to make sense
@@gajofixe76 true which I forgot and left out but he was also framed but it wasn’t clear on who pushed that idea of him being framed in the first place if I’m not mistaken (I could be wrong so I apologize if I’m rude about it cause I’m not trying to be) 😅
case is supposed to be a masked character and i don’t think he’s actually assigned a face because in the casino mission he gets caught by security and the security camera shows that he’s masked. in the plane mission where you capture gusev the cutscene shows that he masked. the guy at the end might actually be ryan jackson, who was the one who ordered operation charybydis to eliminate weaver hudson and mason
Case is kind of a weird executed character. At times I felt like Case wasn't even a real person, cause whenever the entire group was gathered in the cutscenes, Case was never there. Same with the Chess board, showing 5 pieces left against 1, when you're supposed to go confront Harrow. The cast are 5 people, excluding 1 which is most likely Case. -- Or Adler doesn't count himself on the board, but that doesn't make sense.
If you play the capitol mission when you grab the retinal scan, cia agents emerge the building and look for you, one of the cia agents looks exactly like the cia mole in the ending cutscene. I do believe it is Jackson because it lines up with his ideals wanting Hudson and mason dead etc.
Having Case as a mute characters and give him a back story then not following through, is just the worst decision they made. I hate lazy writings like these soooo fucking much! Atleast give him a face, nope! You are literally invisible. Case is more like an NPC (No Personality Character) Its stupid and annoying!
He probably does have a voice, how else would he ask questions during optional dialogue and all that? I think "mute" characters are a good way of putting YOURSELF in the game.
The campaign to me (despite me really liking it) felt like a part one of two in a story. Like Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1 & 2. I guess that’s my main complaint about it, didn’t feel totally complete with what they set up.
I really loved the campaign and everything it did for both the story and gameplay, but yes. The ending left much to be desired. I'm still clinging to the hope that the multiplayer cutscenes will shed some light on at least some of the questions left unanswered.
The character at the end literally IS Caine though. It's literally stated that he got recruited by Pantheon in the late 1980's, after he was vulnerable due to the loss of his brother. A perfect tool for their will. Also, just reading those bios. It seems like the entirety of the ''Crimson One'' faction is basically Pantheon (Caine for instance recruited Toro) with members both in the CIA and just active military groups. (Minus the Zombies operators). It seems like all the Pantheon members are recruited when they're suffering from a loss of a loved one, right after and indirectly make the CIA look bad whilst doing so. It looks like ''Rogue Black Ops'' operators vs ''Crimson One'' operators literally describe a CIA vs Pantheon. Based off the bios of each operator. Also, just cause we see Caine at the end, doesn't mean he 'leads' Pantheon.
@@FiRsTofALL0132 So the mute characters in CoD games just so happen to telepathically communicate with everyone around them? I don't see that happening within the actual lore of the story. Only for gameplay and mystery purposes.
This campaign does a fantastic job of building intrigue and mystery. The journey is really good because it sets up so many questions and some twists; however, I feel like there was so much set up that the payoff/answers just aren't quite there. I also don't think that the explanation of who/what Case is, warrants him to just be someone we never see or hear talk. There was a reason we never saw or heard Bell, but I just don't think you can do that for Case this time around. As of right now, in the greater black ops universe, this campaign is a nothing burger as in it does not contribute to lore, it just adds an additional story.
6:27 I love that this whole section was inspired by doom with the metal music, boss fights, arena combat, key cards and the grappling hook. I’m assuming it’s a nod to doom coming out in 2 years from when the campaign is set and how that started the fps genre.
@@tadhgryan7643 I don’t play much zombies so I don’t really know about what they do but I still think it gives off a very classic doom feel even with the level design, puzzles, etc
The level with zombies and manequins is more deep in fact at some point, we can see zombie briefly switch to Pantheon soldiers, meaning that Case, while hallucinating also fight Pantheon soldiers that might found their way into the site as well, but since Case see them as zombies, he don't show any mercy and brutally murder them all. When he arrives at the last room, Marshall and Sev are trying to immobilise him to knock sense back to him but for Case, all he can see is a disciple and a horde of zombie trying to get him, while in reality all these zombies and this Disciple are his two friends trying to stop him. Even Marshall is saying that Case was ready to tear them apart as soon as he saw them in the room. It show you how the Cradle modify your reality so deeply that you don't even realzing what you're doing in real life. Also fun fact, the casino is actuallly the map from Black Ops 4, I'm not kidding, put them side to side and you'll see the same layout with only a few changes
I loved this game. All the references I’ve heard and found exploring missions. There’s literally so many. There probably even way more since I only caught on to the BO2 and Cold War references. Since I don’t really remember the old games
0:23, I assumed that was cain. He's in the interrogation room at the start of the game, and he's also patrolling clintons gala if im not mistaken. Also, why do I feel like harrow is gonna come as an mp operator?
Eh. Idk I felt like they copied elements from atomic heart. A lot of things were ripped from other projects. The casino mission they copied oceans 11. Kind of lazy and a mid campaign
Case is not Bell. Adler says to him "Don't ask" when he ask for a question about what happened with other test subjects. So possibly Bell died in Cold War. The facility was the lab from where Adler took experimental biochemical weapon from and could use this on Bell. Meantime Case just went to a facility and took symptoms of hallucination in the process when discovering the lab.
As much as I want to agree with you on case being the defector I kinda see a plot hole in your theory. For starters the most obvious factor is that he isn't even being interrogated with the others in the first cutscene despite being present during the operation to detain Alawi. Why is he being the camera man and not being interrogated along with Marshall and Harrow? If we were to assume your theory is a possibility we need to clear that plot hole first. Why wasn't case interrogated as well? He was literally at the forefront of the operation helping Marshal and Harrow and witnessing Adler kill Alawi. Lets ramp up the mystery even more as well, lets dismiss your theory and assume the camera man isn't case and it just some CIA operative (Perhaps Emerson Black?) Why wasn't case even present during the interrogation? There's far more to case that meets the eye, add on to him being the first test subject for Cradle and witnessing hallucinations of zombies for some... reason. Also who was the voice speaking to case and influencing him to kill Harrow?
Only problem I have with the Case is Bell theory is that Woods would've recognized him instantly since he seen him in cold war, Case also has dialog lines which implies he has a voice and so to me Woods would've recognized that was Bell because of his voice
only problem with the Bell theory is why didn’t Adler or Woods recognise him. yes in the missions he’s wearing a mask but unless he’s like Simon Riley aka Ghost and wears a mask everywhere, it would be weird to walk around the safe house with the mask on
Na..that man is probably livingstone's personal secretary. a very trusted individual to livingstone. very close to him. it wouldn't raise an eyebrow if he was in his office when you think about it. 😁
If the guy at the end and the beginning is Case the cut scene makes no sense because Woods, Marshall, and Harrow can clearly see Case sitting in the corner so why wouldn’t they say, “Case back us up on this” when Livingston is interrogating them? It doesn’t make sense
Right? Not to mention you can clearly see Marshall glare at the guy sitting in the corner right before he leaves. Why would he look at him like that and then still choose to work with him? There's no way that guy is Case.
That would be a cool way to bring it back around to the Cold War story line but the problem I see with that is how would they keep that from him and I feel like even if Woods didn’t let it slip Adler would have when he saw him in Iraq.
I was just about to comment this. One of the trailers showed masons jacket from re birth as well. Jane's parents were killed in 1960 a year before black ops 1 starts with the Cuba mission. Harrow says she set out for vengeance Harrow is the mole who set mason and woods up in Panama.
I thought that to at first but around this timeline makarov only 11 in the OG timeline around this time he would be around 16 or between 20 but this is not the OG timeline from the older games
My major question is, why is Harrow's voice, The voice that's inside our head? I feel like she knew more than she was letting on. We are supposed to be the first and only person to go through the cradle project Successfully before it being shut down because we sabotaged it and caused the deaths of everyone at that Facility. The voice also tells us that we were "Rehabilitated" but "Not Entirely" which is why Case hasn't killed everyone around him in Psychopathic murder rampage. This makes me think that if case and jane survived, He might go bad guy because of the new version of The cradle he was exposed to, made him more Violent.
ok lets take this as a real thing but main question is that how tf was case or bell present in cia at the time when woods shot mason? that doesnt fits for me
@@totalwhitetrash lol they can even do mason was the mole who made himselfshot by woods but guess what the person who got shot was body double of mason and mason did it all lmao
I think the Pantheon leader (guy in cutscene) is actually Perseus (he never died, Stitch lied) and Jane’s parents were Perseus moles (they use Russian guns) explaining why Adler? may have killed them and Perseus wanted Jane to follow in her parents footsteps and the guy has a somewhat resemblance to Perseus (he would be in his 60s by this point) and would explain Pantheon’s connection to Menendez (Perseus was connected and even work with Raul)
I mean, the entire thing looks like a CW/1 ripoff >Secret organization with WMD >Nameless main character >Hallucinations >The numbers and more fan service >A safehouse with same mission designs >Capitol stealth mission = lubyanka >Nameless mc dies at end after saving world
Cane is seen patrolling and looking for Case in Most Wanted in the Gala before you break into the Black Site. I got caught by him a couple times and he said, "you sure get around, Case."
It's really odd that in none of the cutscenes there's case in them. For example the floppy disk recording they decrypted and watched, case was not in there. Like the whole team was gathered together to watch it (except adler since he was in Kuwait). Also the interrogation scene, why would case be running the recording duty since he should have been interrogated by Livingstone due to mission fuck up he was a part of. Also I want to add. What happened to the perseus broadcasts back in 80s. Stich said this was his plan all along and that he has changed the world thanks to that. Could pantheon be an army cotrolled by number brainwashing somehow?
i think Case wasn't present during the floppy disk decryption scene because he was resting as he was exposed to the Cradle in the mission before, i watched a youtuber play the campaign and the scene after the floppy disk scene, Case is helping Sev with her stuff and she comments that its good to see him up and about. Though Case not being present during the interrogation scene is indeed weird tho.
I don't understand why Case would be sitting there recording the events of what HE committed in the meeting in the first place. He's not above Harrow and would be just flat out stupid by the CIA to let Case do the recording, operate as rouge, and simply just survive helicopter. I do believe the man doing the recording is one in the same at the end, but there's probably a throw-away line hinting at who he is to get ready for the next BO. I think it would be an interesting twist though that if the one who killed Harrow's parents were not Andler, but Mason himself. Have Mason work even further in the shadows to stop Patheon as he could relate into being turned into a weapon. Maybe have the next game where Woods and Mason are leading divisions separately, and unknowingly to set up the events for BO2 happening. In this theoretical situation, after decades of the CIA having moles and being cleaned, Mason finally feels he can confront Woods after so long.
The man behind the camera is wearing the same jacket, I still don’t think it’s case though. I think it’ll be the character introduced in season 1 of the post story as I think if case is bell he’d be double brain washed and most likely with the canon of Cold War he’d be on Adler’s side no mater what. I also think we’d have heard we got a job to do once as a joke from either woods or Adler
While I do think it's plausible that Case is Bell. And that the stenographer and the Pantheon mole could be the same person. I have a harder time believing that the stenographer is Case. Why would the person being interrogated be the person recording the interrogation? Case isn't a neutral party to the event that they're being questioned on.
i personally liked the campaign but the ending definitely was too open ended imo, also it didnt exactly feel like your traditional COD campaign, almost felt Dying Light-ish
Feel like they regret that scene in BO2 of Woods saying to Mason ‘it’s been 20 something years’ no logical way around that fits the timeline but allows them to add Mason back into the campaigns
I would love it to be Mason because it would mean he’s alive and it would be like mind blown and everything would start to make a little more sense. BUT he was in the interrogation room with Woods and he would be like “Mason WTF are you doing here aren’t you supposed to be dead!?”
One thing you could deep dive into is the ‘Panethon Connect’ individuals speaking to the various enemies on the phones etc in this campaign. The one speaking to the enemy you snipe on the boat sounded very familiar to Adler oddly enough
Doesnt make sense because mason is not supposed to be in the cia he is dead 8ifhe wasnt dead we know from black ops 2 that woods wont see him for another 24 years until 2025 so why would he be there it might be case or someone new
@vnr_fitness6187 woods and the others DONT know he's dead, Woods shot him in the leg, and in that last Cutscene, he was in a room alone, how tf would you think woods and the others would be there and say "I swear to god I'll shove this wheelchair up your-" Mason: "Ass..." Woods: "...I shot you" Mason: "Turns out you're a pretty lousy shot" Woods: "My ass"
@@Ribrianne_Is_My_GFit’s been told that there are four different endings. The one that mason lives is a secret ending not the “true” so it’s very unlikely that mason is alive since in the “canon” ending he shot mason in the head
My biggest question is WHO is Case, we don’t really question it, but it’s like the people know him, even Adler oddly enough, I think Adler may have actually been the director of the program. Hell Simms KNOWS him!!! That’s fucking huge considering he was done with CIA bs after the campaign of Cold War, to me that’s huge because you don’t know people who come into the CIA after you’re retired from the CIA, so yeah, the Bell is Case thing makes a lot of sense to me.
the likeliness that it's alex mason is -100%. this theory shouldnt even be entertained it could be caine? but idk, they kinda look similar i guess. case theory i like but i'm pretty sure the skintones don't match so I feel like it's not him some people are saying it's ryan jackson
@@ngzz2498 nope. Hes from the psv game and is known to dislike mason (which means he may actually be the mole who got him killed) so maybe jackson is working for pantheon now
Just fyi the reason there was a vial of Cradle in the helicopter at the end was because it was the same vial recovered from Sadam Hussains bunker and at the end Harrow takes it with her onto the chopper. You can see the orange case in her hand
Also I don’t think the ending character is case why would he be recording his own teams interrogation?? That doesn’t make sense and why would he be separated from the table once the main conversation started?
If you go back to the final mission, when "evil" Harrow walking down the dilapidated CIA hall to the elevator, you pass a dude standing by a X'd out CIA symbol on the right side that look a lot like the ending cutscene dude. Not sure if it is the same guy but he does seem kinda randomly placed in that sequence.
@@TheMissle The assassins outfit was similar to the outfit Mason took on when he was under Reznovs brainwashing and thought he was him, BO1 lore every time "John Trent" or Reznov was communicating with the CIA Alex Mason was MIA during those times. Basically Reznov personified into Mason again but with a mask so they reveal that person in a later season of the battle pass :c
The mission where you’re helping the SAS briefly shows case when you get in the truck and he has a ski mask. The perfect way to hide the identity of the villain post campaign
Well how do we explain that that Caine guy and Case were at that ceremony at the Capitol at the same time ? Caine was the agent moving left to right just in front of the stage for some reason. You could even get spotted by him
Just want to let it be known idk how many people do know but when Harrow is rescued she takes the cradle sample we have and that is why it is in the chopper when Case snaps.
Remember when Case asked about other MK ultra subjects from Adler and he said "dont ask" . If case is not bell then Adler would have taken name of bell (just for the reference) , but the only reason for saying "dont ask" to not let Case trigger his past memories basically being bell.😑
It’s Jackson Caine accessing important files on a computer that could have belonged to none other than Livingstone himself. Caine's identity is largely unknown but it is fairly possible that he could be connected to Ryan Jackson from the previous Black Ops games
