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Calvinism, Provisionism and Jumanji 

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Комментарии : 40   
@78LedHead
@78LedHead 6 месяцев назад
It feels good to be free in Christ, not stuck in an ism. Have fun today gentlemen. Glad I found you all. It's mighty hard to have an ego death when you're a celebrity like White. The giants of the faith have completely captured his identity. Kev, I spent a small fortune on Skylanders for my kids lol.
@mikelyons2831
@mikelyons2831 6 месяцев назад
I love, am thankful for & pray for Leighton & 101. Unfortunately, now I have to explain why I'm not Arminian, a Molinist, Open Thiest or a Provisionist. ❤️ your content BTF/KT
@QuinnBoone
@QuinnBoone 5 месяцев назад
Im glad when you guys are getting enlightenment from above, that you have the wherewithal to share the love. Would be nice whenever you had a really good convo, you had a red button you could hit to record from the last 30 seconds foward. Good stuff!!!
@PrudenceMcFrugal
@PrudenceMcFrugal 6 месяцев назад
We should not assume why a person is “playing the game”. As there are real world consequences I do believe some enter into that world to help get people out of that paradigm. Personally, I have been consuming a lot of videos on the topic of Calvinism and combating that ideology because I have loved-ones that claim that identity and I want to have good questions to ask them to help them wake up from that world. Your videos have been very helpful! 🙏
@maxprescott9371
@maxprescott9371 6 месяцев назад
I can totally relate ,, their main argument will be that, So many Famous Christians were / are Calvinists !!👈
@raymatthews4319
@raymatthews4319 6 месяцев назад
I have always wondered if some video games inspire many "new" Calvinists as far as the Gospel is concerned. It seems like they are more interested in winning a debate than they are in the word of God.
@djs9315
@djs9315 6 месяцев назад
Love the game analogy.. I'd love to say I don't get sucked in at times to 😂😵‍💫
@FindingTheNarrative
@FindingTheNarrative 6 месяцев назад
I have been teaching on finite vs. infinite games, and I feel this parallels those ideas. Characteristics of Finite play... Mode of seriousness, the finite master player uses the past to control the future. The element of surprise is an essential weapon in finite play. Because it is used to dominate and overcome the inexperienced.
@KevinThompson1611
@KevinThompson1611 6 месяцев назад
Thats very insightful
@ericburke337
@ericburke337 6 месяцев назад
Kinda reminds me of Deadpool, who knows he's a character in a movie (or comic book), and everyone around him is oblivious!
@bridgitmorris740
@bridgitmorris740 6 месяцев назад
I was curious about the title, but I get it now.
@MarkRidlen
@MarkRidlen 6 месяцев назад
There's a lot of "sunk cost fallacy" involved in theology. The cost is not always money.
@forgingbeyondbelief1041
@forgingbeyondbelief1041 6 месяцев назад
That’s a good point
@DamonNomad82
@DamonNomad82 6 месяцев назад
That's true. Personal pride and reputation among one's peers and family are also based heavily on one's theology, especially if one has held to it for a substantial length of time and become notable for holding to that theology.
@Finch1993
@Finch1993 6 месяцев назад
Love you Kevin!!
@lynnewilley9464
@lynnewilley9464 6 месяцев назад
I'm loving that room boys!
@hopeforeveryone9808
@hopeforeveryone9808 6 месяцев назад
My take away is one word....agentic.
@Jesusisking235
@Jesusisking235 6 месяцев назад
Love the game analogy! On another note, let's imagine a Calvinist being honest when sharing hidden parts of their doctrine if someone asked what they believed... "God may hate your child. God made most people to glorify him in hell for all eternity with having zero choice. Our leader John Calvin was instrumental in murdering many people. Anytime you see the words "world" or "all" in the bible it means only the elect. Having just the bible will not suffice as we recommend lots of other books to understand the bible. A child being abused was ordained by God." I love the Calvinist folks, just can't agree with their twisted theology.
@deadmenwalkingpodcast
@deadmenwalkingpodcast 6 месяцев назад
How many edibles did you guys eat before filming this?
@forgingbeyondbelief1041
@forgingbeyondbelief1041 6 месяцев назад
Not sure if this question is meant to be subtly nefarious given your obvious disposition. That said if you found this conversation cognitively expansive that can be a good thing. The conversational orientations BTF is engaged in are meant for those who have strong and dynamic thinking capacity. Everything that comes out of the participants here is an attempt to break new ground for the individual and set a PR at the gym if you will. If this felt too extensive for you it’s probably an indication that you don’t have the strength or wisdom of ear to hear. Don’t be triggered by this, you are probably not engaging with nuances or novelties enough to expand or interact (like opponent processing) with your ideological convictions. Again not sure if you are intending to be funny on the sly but I will give you the benefit my kinder nature and provide this as a genuine response before acting on my intuition which warns me that you are full of ideological tyranmania and interpersonal impotence. Ball is in your court let’s see what you can do with it!
@deadmenwalkingpodcast
@deadmenwalkingpodcast 6 месяцев назад
@@forgingbeyondbelief1041 I was curious. I figured two middle aged men that sit around talking about Dungeons & Dragons and Jumanji in reference to theological systems must partake of at least a little cannabis.
@KevinThompson1611
@KevinThompson1611 5 месяцев назад
@deadmenwalkingpodcast I recommend the book “Super Thinking” by Gabriel Weinberg. It shows how modeling and pattern recognition can provide much needed mental clarity and horsepower to become attuned to complex environments and situations. The capacity for abstraction and fractal visualization is not for people at every stage of development or level of consciousness. But it is a skill and capacity toward which everyone should be working to increase their fluency. Super Thinking: The Big Book of Mental Models
@forgingbeyondbelief1041
@forgingbeyondbelief1041 5 месяцев назад
@@deadmenwalkingpodcast This is a painfully ironic and impotent response. The irony is in the remedial ignorance of the content provided, coupled with the utter misapplication of it. To put that in simpler terms, you clearly cannot apply analogic layers. We are using analogy to aid in explanation of observed phenomenon. I.e. Calvinists and Provisionists do not realize the fake worlds they create (observed phenomenon) like a virtual video game (analogy). You have inverted that idea in your comment to indicate that "theological systems" are more real than the act of using game/play as an analogical tool for growth/maturing cognitive expansion and you could not be more wrong or suspicious in doing this. This is where the impotence comes in. You have clearly not developed the inner maturity and wisdom to see through your own superficial and subtly gainsaying comments, which are indeed subtle because of your cowardice to Speak the Truth. So, you lie (observed phenomenon) and subtly slither in the comment like a snake (analogy), or "Viper" as Jesus might say. The impotence of your faith in "theological systems" is what causes this ideological tyranamania and manifests a poor excuse for a Christian voice or representative. But then again you are a Calvinist are you not? So, I will digress into my disappointment that I might have encountered an authentic, authoritative, author and grieve for you momentarily for not being able to display an inkling of virtue. For future advice when engaging people, don't assume you are more cleaver, insightful, or perceptive than someone who you intend on subverting. It's unbecoming and can expose your ignorance. P.S. There is no substance usage here. I would encourage you to look into the perceived scaling dynamic between individuals with BPD, Normal, and Narcissistic personality disorders. I will give you the key to understanding the dynamic in an aphorism. "As the child is to the adult, the adult is to the Sage."
@Yaas_ok123
@Yaas_ok123 6 месяцев назад
Free from wrong narratives brings joy !
@wannabewoodworker9705
@wannabewoodworker9705 6 месяцев назад
Didn’t know kev had a lower body
@Andrew_the_Worthy_Shield
@Andrew_the_Worthy_Shield 6 месяцев назад
If we are using D&D as an analogy, the narcissist is like the stereotypical Warlock; a Warlock makes a pact with a patron, but the power they get can be taken back by the patron. Bards get magic from studying creativity and the song of creation, Druids get magic by communing with nature, Clerics through devotion and relationship with their god, Sorcerers through their bloodline, and Wizards through a long period of time in study and practice, but Warlocks are different from other full casters as they cheat the system by getting a patron. The other casters have a relative stable grasp and discipline with magic, but Warlocks do not have that discipline because they get their powers overnight. If a Cleric or Druid loses their abilities, they need to reestablish their relationship with the source of their power, but a Warlock could decide to just look for a different patron if they lose their abilities like a parasite/symbiote going from host to host; a Warlock is willing to dive into the forbidden places and read the restricted tomes just to gain more power, whereas a Wizard is more careful in their studies as they do not want something to go horribly wrong; a Sorcerer may be content with the magic of their bloodline, but a Warlock craves more than what they have; a Bard uses magic for self expression and creativity, but a Warlock has it because they desire power. This is not true of all Warlocks, but stereotypes exist for a reason.
@AnonHeirs
@AnonHeirs 6 месяцев назад
Tull leh home uh
@QuinnBoone
@QuinnBoone 5 месяцев назад
The game thats in the game, yall watching people performing in a fake world....
@robertjames6317
@robertjames6317 5 месяцев назад
So I'm pretty new to Kevin's work, so forgive me for being in the shallow end of the pool. Are they saying both sides of this debate are so far from what the Bible actually says that neither one represents true Christianity? Are they saying both of the gentlemen in the debate are not real Christians? I agree that in real life, we don't go around debating people, but usually the point of a debate is not to convert one's opponent to their way of thinking, but rather to demonstrate to the listeners that the view they represent best corresponds to reality and what the Bible says. But it sounds like what's being said is both views are so far off from Scripture that this is a meaningless game? Feel free to correct me where I'm off in my understanding.
@KevinThompson1611
@KevinThompson1611 5 месяцев назад
Both views miss scripture. Jason is likely a genuine Christian. This video is more about ANY propositionally normative ideologies not being reality. Jesus is THE WAY. Not a set of beliefs. We believe in being mode. We don’t HAVE beliefs in having mode.
@robertjames6317
@robertjames6317 5 месяцев назад
@KevinThompson1611 Hmm, I'm not sure yet if I agree or disagree. It sounds like you BELIEVE Jesus is The Way. And He is. But doesn't it matter who we believe Jesus is and what He did for us? If I believe Jesus is a wise but imperfect human while also saying He's the Way and follow Him, does that not matter? Doesn't John 3:16 matter? But perhaps you're not saying beliefs don't matter or that relativism is true. I would agree that if all I do is hold to a set of propositional facts without trusting in the person behind those truths, it is not Christianity. And after we trust, the natural response to that should be to continue to learn of Jesus and follow Him.
@cluny
@cluny 6 месяцев назад
Kevi-:Con ...Baal free, Calvie resistant.
@AndrewKeifer
@AndrewKeifer 6 месяцев назад
Calvi-Greek-sis 😂
@jaggedlines2257
@jaggedlines2257 6 месяцев назад
You guys are freakin' me out. Sounds as if you guys are still in the game, and you can't find the exit door. What is reality? We live in a false reality. It is called... this life. True reality is..heaven. The ultimate reality in ...this life...is death. Stop playing games, guys, and get back into reality.
@TheJoemclendon
@TheJoemclendon 6 месяцев назад
What has this new freedom freed you to become besides proud and arrogant? Your pride has turned to foolishness.
@JamesLee-pb6dl
@JamesLee-pb6dl 6 месяцев назад
Dude , you are describing calvinism lol 😂 proud n arrogant. Yup 👍
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