Camera Deal Breakers. 

This is all I want, listen to two camera nerds talking calmly about cameras, casually sitting in a room with not a lot of fuss. 🙂

Love listening to you guys.

I'm going to disagree with you a little on Fuji. From my own experience and use case only 🙂 But I've used Fuji since 2018 for my main work as I think they give me the pictures I want and like. I came from a Nikon D800 and the IQ of the X-T2 I bought was, I thought, superior. The fact that they look great and the user experience is like an old film camera are bonuses for me. Were the XH2 the same price or cheaper than my X-T5 then I may have bought that instead. But when I owned my GFX100 that didn't have the user experience and I did miss it I have to say. The Fujis give me more bang per gramme!!! I don't think Fujifilm can be blamed for the whole X100V thing. I think they'd obviously like to make more of them but probably can't. Anyway, Merry Christmas you guys :-)

I love it when you guys get together. Have a Merry Christmas and I hope to see more of you in the new year.

Love "Two Friends First, Creators Second" Keep 'em coming. Merry Christmas! JT

That's correct. The 7,000 EUR Canon 1DX (the mark one) was actually leaked to cost approx. 740 EUR total, per camera, to manufacture - and if I remember correctly that was with manufacturing, labor, overhead and tooling costs included in the equation too! Nowadays we have even better 5 axis CNC machines and it's even easier and faster to manufacture cameras, so manufacturing costs are even lower than they used to be!

I've been following Omar's videos for the last year or so. I've just discovered this podcast. Love it. Followed Moe's channel today.

Hey fellas so glad to see you back. Great video as always. I totally appreciate the amount of work it must take for you to record and produce these videos. And if you can have one true friend in life you are a wealthy person. As a hobbyist photographer who dabbles in food photography I'm lucky if I can cook, plate the dish and manage to cobble together a decent photo for instagram. You always bring up such great points of discussion in your videos. Omar, I agree with you about provia and velvia. And I must say the 35 F2 is probably my favorite lens. On the xt1 and xt2 you can really get some 3D photos. Moe, I'm really glad that you had a chance to hold a Leica. I probably never will but I've always guessed that the law of diminishing returns might be a play there. And I know taste is subjective, but I too do not like Starbucks Coffee LOL. I guess that's why I roast my own. I had to laugh today. I was watching episode 1 of Harry and Megan on Netflix. And 2/3 of the way in there's a picture of Harry in Botswana taking a picture of an elephant. You can see the camera he's holding from the back. I said wait a minute that's a Fuji XT body! Hope you both have a safe healthy holiday. 😊👊🏽 @sub_bourbon_chef

As a former Sony, Nikon, Fuji and current Leica M user (stating that so I don't get labeled as a fanboy) I agree it's about the experience. I love shooting a digital rangefinder. Omar was right...I love the simplicity of a camera. Since you mentioned watches, I was hoping you guys would have used the analogy of Leica is to Rolex as (insert camera brand here) is to an Apple watch. Both can tell time, but the Apple watch can run circles around a Rolex in functionality. But if someone wants a Rolex, telling them to go buy an Apple watch because it can do more kinda misses the point (not that you guys said that). I just don't want to feed the trope that all Leica users use them as necklaces or just for recognition. I use my camera almost every day and take it everywhere with me. It's ok to own something you just enjoy using and not having it just be practical in every sense.

I have a third camera I take with me on all my projects that is a cheap second hand Leica D-LUX (Typ 109). I don't like the pictures I get out of it compare to the 2 others cameras that I actually use. But I still continue taking it with me only because when/if the client or someone on the team of the client asks me what I am shooting with, I can say "this and this and a Leica". And each time, at the sound of Leica, they go "Ohhh!" 😆😂 I swear that's the only reason I take it with me on my shooting. People that have no clue just take me more like a "real pro" 'cause I bring my "Leica". I really can feel the "respect" I get after I pronounce the "magic word".

y’all need to figure out how to do these more often, I love you guys ☺️ “rumor has it the next x100 is already sold out”😂😂😂

I was an early adopter of the X100V, but only because I had already owned the X100T and X100F. So glad I beat it before the extortion started. It wasn’t about people pointing out my camera and ooo’ing and ah’ing me. I have an old Nikon film camera that could easily do that for me. It’s a fun, simple digital camera that delivers great images. I don’t buy Fujifilm cameras for looks. I’d prefer no one notice me taking their photo, and even with an X-T3 or X-T5, I hardly get noticed. But I can see your point. I think a lot of people jumping on the Fuji bandwagon like the retro look and the how it fits into their lifestyle image (or the image they would like to portray publicly). They make superb cameras. That’s good enough for me. The supply issues have zero percent (okay, maybe 1%) to do with manufacturers holding back supplies. Most of the components are manufactured in China, the Philippines, Thailand, and Taiwan, each place bottlenecked by COVID. Demand is still outpacing supply, but I imagine the price increases and frustrations are causing this to taper off. Five years from now, we’ll be talking about gluts in prosumer cameras. Looking forward to in-body AI processing in future bodies, though. I believe every prosumer camera manufactured today are pretty much the same. I am amused by all the comparisons and complaints in Facebook groups and RU-vid but c’mon, every single camera of compatible price and intent of use are almost exact clones of one another, with group-focused nuances that appeal to each tribe. Someone who owns a $6000 Canon system and $20,000 in lenses and just shoots the occasional unpublished portrait or wedding are kidding themselves if they think they’re getting more bang for their buck. If someone can afford it and it’s what they prefer, go for it. But truthfully, the big five in prosumer cameras are pretty equal and far, far superior to anything that comes off of a phone. Buy what you’ll actually use and can afford and that suits your style or business model. What differentiates it for me is 1. Price: APS-C Fujis deliver equal quality at a much lower TCO than FF equivalents 2. Size: Small enough; I guess micro 4/3 would be a touch smaller, but I already own an iPhone 3. Rep: These are great cameras and lenses (so are Sony, Canon, and Nikon); they fit my use case (not pro; totally in it for myself)

Merry Christmas!! This just made my week. Hope you guys have a great holiday!

Very informative and entertaining... More pls

YESSSS!!! Time for some street photog with Mo and O playing in the headphones!

The camera I want so bad is the A7R5 and the 20 - 40 Tamron. Ive never shot Nikon so I'm buying blind, its just got all the features I want.

I so commiserate with Omar’s love for saturated, punchy colors. My first digital camera was a Sony CCD from 2001 that was like shooting slide film. I will always gravitate towards that look.

There are three reasons all the DP’s and motion camera operators I know own Leica’s: peerless glass, and a great manual focus experience, and very small size vs aperture. This is the realm where expensive lenses are $30k+ Also, Fuji did premium with the Dura finish X Pro cameras, very interested to know the sales numbers.

This is such a GREAT conversation. The reason Fuji stopped making the 100V is because it probably has the smallest profit margin of any of their cameras. Think about it - all metal, incredible lens, solid processor, nice screen, built-in ND, and most importantly - Made in Japan. What's interesting is that both of you - house on fire and and you can only grab one running out the door - both grab the Sony. Fuji for fun, Sony for everything else.

Leica rangefinder autofocus is slow, extremely slow. It doesn't ever autofocus, since it's a rangefinder 🤦‍♂

I prefer us over other people…. Sold!

Leica M cameras are an experience that you can't get anywhere else. Been a devotee of the X Fuji line (xe3, xpro2) for a while but couldn't get the quality of glass you get with Leica. 50mm Summilux 1.4 anyone? Only real option is a 35mm 0.95 Mitakon (which I had) but didn't really work out. I now have an M11 and the 50mm Summilux. I am quicker with manual focus and don't need IBIS. GAS complete and I just want to pick it up and shoot non-stop. Worth every penny to me.

Interesting conversation about why one chooses a particular camera. When I was shopping, it was going to be the first camera I bought since 1984 when I bought my Ricoh XR-P. So, I think seeing the dials on the Fuji cameras seemed normal to me. I actually found Omar's channel when I wanted to learn more about Fuji cameras. I compared it to lots of other cameras. Some less expensive, lots more expensive. I finally decided on the XT-3 mostly because of price for what it could do. I did look at XT-2 and XT-1 bodies. But, then I found a barely used XT-3 with the 18-55 and other goodies for way less than some of the other bodies alone. I'm very happy with my choice because for the price it's a camera that does a lot and that will be fine for me as an amateur for a long time. Happy New Year to you two. It was fun catching that glimpse of Moe in your last video Omar. It reminded me to come back here and watch the podcast! Great marketing move!! LOL!

Moe, don't sell that xt2 :-) I bought an xt20 years ago, and later an xpro. I prefer the size of the xpro body compared to the xt20. That one is just too small to hold comfortably for me. If i want my kit to be compact, i slap the 27mm on the xpro and that one becomes very small as well. Very small compared to my d810 ;-)

Awesome,glad to see a video from you both. It has been a minute.

Would it be possible for you guys to do an episode about using the old DSLR OG cameras to do Street Photography Many ones who want to start their Street Photography journey believe that they need a powerful Mirrorless Sony or Fuji to do Street Photography Well the idea behind using these old DSLR cameras is about creating shots with this vintage look The RU-vid community and everyone need to believe that there is still a place for these OG cameras even in 2023 Street Photography can be easy and fun Me my self I bought recently a Nikon D70S with a cheap zoom Tamron lens The experience of shooting on the Streets with this old Nikon is priceless Please do an episode about this topic

Leica is a legacy brand. Handmade, made for stills shooters. The quality is incredible, they hold value like no there and the native glass is unbelievable. Yes they’re expensive. But once you’re in the system- you don’t ever need to buy anything else. Focusing is half the fun, at least for me. Try a Leica and then you’ll find out what they’re all about.

Love it went you guys get together. Keep the talking going. Thanks for all your work in doing these podcasts, and your sharing chat and lives with us. Happy Christmas and take care 🎄

I need something explained. Please understand this is coming from an old guy with 40 years working in TV. One of you said the phrase, "Upgrade to mirrorless." I shoot D850, and a D810. A friend gave me an Olympus E-M1because I have a 1977 OM-1 that has given ups its light meter ghost and I have so old Zuiko glass and he doesn't want to mess with the digital ON. If you want to tell me video on a mirrorless camera looks better, I'd probably agree. When I shoot video I want a real video camera. The ergonomics for video on a still camera body is nothing but a pain. Using the screen on a still camera body as a viewfinder is completely unsatisfying. I remember reviews declaring D850s are the best DSLRs ever built. If that appraisal of the D850 is true, the it implies two two things. First it says no one has built the best mirrorless camera yet. So why would I give up a proclaimed "The Best" for someone else's technology in progress. Secondly, what does a mirrorless do that is so wonderful that should notice me to switch. I like the Olympus. Admittedly the technology is about ten years out of date.It is a complicated, fussy, quirky little beast with a battery life barely willing to go for a couple hours. With the crop factor my 200mm lens is now a 400mm. Ergonomically I prefer the Nikon regardless of the weight. Please understand. My questions are sincere. I'm not intending to rag on mirrorless gear just for the sake of being a stick-in-the-mud. I want to know if camera companies are trying to make a better bit of kit or if they are reinventing the wheel that isn't broken. Thanks.

This was really good. Cheers blokes. Subscribed.

First show I've watched/listened to. Enjoyed it, thanks guys.

just so you know, A7 IV is 8gm heavier than the A7 III🙂

We call it the RU-vid influencer tax

Miss you guys….

On the point of "if there was a broke photographer wanteing to step up their game, would you recommend a used A7III or used D750?" I would ask two questions, and then adapt my recommendation based on the answers : - do you plan to do video? If the answer is yes, well going mirroless is always going to be a good thing, for the simple reason that cameras became good video shooters pretty recently, and if you're going with a mirroless one, it means that it's recent enough that the specs are pretty okay for video. There is some DSLRs that do video well, but on the top of my head the only three that I can think of that are a decent value are the Nikon D780, Canon 90D and Canon 6DII, the rest is not worth the investment in my opinion. - do you just want the best value for money, or do you want the most practical camera? Then I would advide either a Canon or Nikon DSLR. I bought a D700 not too long ago, and since I paid about the same price for it than I did for my Fuji X-T1, I thought it would be a nice little experiment to make matching kits price wise, and the Nikon DSLR kit, even with full frame glass was considerably bigger / cheaper. For 970€ on the Fuji side, I could manage to get a 23mm f/2, XC 35mm f/2 and a Viltrox 5mm f/1.4, and that was it. On the nikon side, I was able to get a 80-200 f/2.8, 12-24 f/4, 300mm f/4, 85mm and 50mm f/1.8, and even toss in a vintage 35mm f/2. DSLR makes a TON of sense for a lot of people in my opinion if you're looking to get the most value out of your hard earned money. And beyond glass, for camera bodies it's also much cheaper to go DSLR compared to mirrorless. An A7III around here is still like 1250/1500€ used if you want one in good enough condition, while something like a D750 is around 400. And if you want to spend 1200/1500 for a camera, then you can afford to look at things like NIkon D850 wich is clearly a step above anything mirrorless in that price range

Size matters? I don’t care about camera‘s size but the lens is much more important. As Samuelstreetlife uses a pretty tiny Voigtländer 40mm on his d850. My fun combo this year is definitely my old canon d5 mk1 with a 40 f2.8. colours are amazing, battery is totally fine and ergos are really nice. You just be careful with cropping, it’s only 13MP. Wish You a Merry Christmas and if the Moe&O pops up a couple of times in 2023 I‘ll be very grateful.

Love your show, in fact love before sleeping or in the car. Love to hear good friends talking about their passion! Btw for myself xt2 and xpro2 with a bunch battery was the way until… I found a Xe4 tried it and loved it … I think I really love the classy look of Fujis definitely agree on that ! Look before functionality ! A few month ago bought a canon 5d II just to see if I can work with it ^^ that battery life is incredible and look pro(er)? ! I think listening to you two is in someways (for me) like listening to my friends ! Thank you for this !

Great conversation. You two vibe really well. Looking forward to more.

This is a great gift to your crowd. Thank you! Merry Christmas! 😁

Welcome back n happy holidays guyz

Glad to get an episode before the end of the New Year! Looking forward to 2023!

Thanks for the show. Happy Holidays!

You guys are great! Happy Holidays to you both!

Leica is the iphone of cameras .

Awesome! As always.

LUT looks fire 😂😂

Merry Christmas Guys!

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