Can a Dwarf outrun a Horse? 

"Us dwarves are natural sprinters, very dangerous over short distanceses"

meanwhile reiksguard with 66 speed crawling across the battlefield

Imagine if reload speed stacked infinitely, you could make a regiment of AK-47 armed dwarfs.

I think the doomstack was secondary to the true point of the save file: trolling Legend with a never-ending end turn of garrison battles.

4:50 Legend: Their speed is more like 45 dwarfs: accelerate in defience dwarfs sure break reality if you "insult" them in any way, like calling them slow

WE DWARFS ARE NATURAL SPRINTERS! - Gimli third age

God imagine being a vampire, thousands of years old and getting merced by a speedy little hairy boi. It's like watching a ton and jerry cartoon

It looks to me that the individual dwarves can reach 97 speed when you adjust unit formation, but the whole unit can only move at 45 speed.

20:33 - That Gyrobomber has 6000 missile strength 0_____0

The amount of times that dude got attacked over the end turn had me laughing

"According tae a' kent laws o' physics, thare is na wey that a dawi shuid be able tae run this fleet. His legs ur tae wee tae git his pie-eater wee body o'er th' ground. Th' dawi, o' coorse, runs anyway fur dawi dinnae care whit ye think is impossible." - *The Dawi Movie* , 2007, Jerry Seinfeld

I cannot actually run at 97. Don´t tell the elf. - Not a word.

"Move those dwarven legs!"

Looks to me, like perfect example of "If it's stupid, but it works, it's still stupid"

Seeing Thunderers with 97 speed is making me imagine a dwarf moving like Mr. Krabs from Spongebob

LOL The troll stacks are getting out of hand 😂

seeing gunpowder units absolutely demolish other units always tickles my pickle

A video on the strongest auto resolve stacks could be interesting. The main importance being cost and ease of recruitment, aka how easy it is to spam

Or "legend bullies 3 unit of dwarfs for 21 minutes."

"Gimli: I'm wasted on cross-country. We Dwarves are natural sprinters. Very dangerous over short distances."

"Their speed is more like 45" Thunderers: "THATS GOING IN THE BOOK" *sprints*

If this army had 14 Thunderers with 5 Engineers, they'd have more ammo in total than these 3. About 50 per unit so 700ish total, instead of the 300ish here. Also, the engineers don't seem to be buffing each other so that's a waste as well.

Looks like a bunch of dwarves with Lee Enfield rifles doing a 'mad minute'.

I think they get there full speed buff when they try to get in to the right place in there formation when they are close to there destination. Normally units gets a small speed buff (I think) when they are trying to get in formation and i guess the speed cap is temporarily disabled when that happens.

I am surprised that missile damage and speed increase doesn't affect engineers themselves. I remember that Doomstack with 5 engineers and they all had the same speed and damage.

hahahah omfg that was the most loss of cities in an end turn I have ever seen, I was cracking up before Legend noticed, then I lost it on his first "omg" hahahahahaha

That end turn, oh my

omg that end turn, i laughed so hard

These meme stacks are so fun to see the imaginative way people use agents etc That end turn too! Never seen anything like it!

'very dangerous over short distances'.

It looks like the animation is the limiting factor when you were zoomed out they seemed to be able to move faster as it was rendering as detailed

best way to describe the diminishing returns on buff units (like master engineers) is, for this army, if you had 3 more thunderers and 3 fewer engineers, you would have 100% more thunderes, but only 80% of the enginners, so each thunderer would be ~20% less effective, but because there are twice as many of them you still have 1.6 times the dakka and thats ignoring the fact that half the buffs dont stack past a certain point

This makes me wonder... whats the fastest you can get a unit in warhammer?

Lord Engineer is Engihere: BUILDING A SENTRY.

it's not about efficiency, it's about sending a message

To the town of Agua Fria strode a throng one fine day. They didn't talk to folks around them, they didn't have too much to say. No one dared to ask their business, no one dared to make a slip. The dawi there among them, all had big irons on their hips.

Rofl that end turn was the fall of the Karaz Ankor all over again. How many Dwarf hold just got lost? GRUDGE.

This army is just a normal game of TF2 on 2fort lol

"sorry i was wrong about that" man this is something i wish more people is used to say when they are wrong

Hardly ever play Dwarves, but that was really interesting, told me plenty of stuff I didn't know and was fun to watch.

Ya, spent a little over a week on a gyrobomber doom stack submission for you and can confirm that they get pretty stupid when boosted. I felt confident enough to take on anything with that stack, bit it did have a problem with attrition as one or two units would get blown up occasionally. I never submitted the file though because I only then found out that submissions need to be on ultra unit scale and very hard battle difficulty, RIP.

I am just glad that Legend isn't my high school teacher with his rating philosophy

Only over short distances

"fast (for a dwarf)"

If there's rum at the destination, a dwarf can.

"Nothing can stop us" for sure little dwarfs

I'm giving her all she's got captain.

And if you kicked out 10 engineers, you could bring the thunderers to 6, add a pair of Irondrakes to defend the flanks, and some organ guns and flame cannons to augment the firepower. After all, they have dwarfen legs, they'll never actually be fast.

I like the idea of rating quirkier, more flavourful or even just whacky doom-stacks; show players that there are more ways to win a battle than the strictly most optimal one (which you've done a pretty good job of demonstrating what that looks like).

not gonna lie - it looks like those thunderers were firing at about 1 shot every 2 seconds

538th turn lol... long time to wait to see this army ready, plus facing ideal opponent like VC (no arty, no missiles), there are a lot of others opponents that would make this army quite weak and easily overwhelmed. But that’s interesting to see creativity of players dropping crazy ideas. 😂

Lmao that end turn

With so many engineers they should just turn into crankgunners.

Thanks for the man that made this meme stack, I clicked.

It seems like they get their higher speed when they're moving into formation, so maybe with a ton of micro you could just constantly issue new move orders right in front of them to zoom them around

they really do be pumping those dwarven legs

Ok, but that end turn though. Looks like the whole map is standing for dollar shave club.

Dwarf doomstacks are always the funniest imo.

Lmao that ending had to be deliberate trolling

I seriously wish the game had an option to turn off the caps, would make things much more fun

Is there a mod that allows for these stats to break their cap? I just really wanna see 97 speed dwarfs or 600 speed gyrocopters.

those gyrobombers turned into gyrof-16s.

“Pump them dwarven legs!”

Everyone wants to see the gyro-bomber zoomstack.

Market economics with LegendofTotalWar

If only their range stacked

I did the math, and for any stack that is a spam of one kind of missile unit + master engineers + general, the best returns on ammunition is to go 5 or 6 master engineers and the rest be thunderers, so Legend was exactly right on that front. The exact ideal value is 5 1/3 engies and 13 2/3 chosen missile unit, so 5 is the better of the two, but if you graph it the difference between 5 and 6 master engineers is not noticeable. I just looked at ammo, and not missile strength, so maybe a 6th engineer becomes better when factoring that in. Keep in mind 5 to 6 is the turning point when it starts becoming worse for your overall ammo to add more engineers; your returns are already really diminished by the fourth engie. Edit: I'm pretty sure that with at least 4 engies and the help of the general if he has red line skills that also help reload time (which I think all dwarf lords can get?) we should be able to get max rank missile units like thunderers to the minimum practical reload time. From then on we can ignore reload time affects and only look at the effect of triangulation (damage buff). This will give us the same optimization problem as with ammo and the answer will be 5 or 6, preferably 5 again. So there you have it, 5 is the ideal number of master engineers for a dwarf missile spam stack. Should be true for quarrellers and rangers as well.

"Move those dwarfen legs" indeed

alternative title: "Legend bullies men 5'11 and under"

All it takes to decimate the core of the stack is a single overcast wind of death

You tell a black orc he cannot die, he ain't dying. You tell a dwarf he can run at 97... well, he ain't :P

Now I want a video of top 3 end turn Legend ever had.

'missile infantry' *Yes, yes they are.*

I'm more impressed by the Skyhammers 6068 Missile Strength in that army

Holy crap, that end turn!

Keep in mind that if you overcap the reload speed then you won't suffer reload penalties when low vigour.

Engineer is Engi-here, legendary General of the Dwarven Gunner Cavalry

97... when they are rolling down the hill :D

I love the meme armies, you just know they were made to get a vein in legends head popping.

Engineers are rare, so I use just as much as to get close to the hard capped reload speed of the units. What worked best for me was: Gyrocopter - 5 Engies Bugmans - 4 Engies Guns - 3 Engies If you want to actually reach the cap, you had to add +1 Engie in that list. But I think it's not worth. The buff "Ballistics Calibration" becomes next to useless, because it can't add more reload speed then.

They got something odd added to their beer.

I think jezzails with 3 engineers and a warlock master lord have similar dps if not more.

13:37 "Let them pass in peace"

Extra thunderers would do far more work than the extra engineers.

That was the most ridiculous end turn I've ever seen

Phoenix: fly across the map. Gyrobomber: on your left!

"Dwarf-things! Look how they scurry to us on such little legs! Racing to fight-fight!"

A dwarf, a dwarf! My kingdom for a dwarf!

Ha I said "Jesus Christ" the same time that you did in regards to that end turn

legend, melkor has challenged you to a fight.

Would do this with 6 thunderers as you suggested because it just looks like fun.

the thin stunty line

There is a mod that lets you build heroes without their unit cap right from the start, Okoii uses that one for his vids. If you use that mod, you can build this army pretty much early on without any drawbacks besides the cost for those heroes. Which increases with every level...

Should've added two extra Irondrakes in place of two MGs. One with Trollhammers and the other being the Draken one.

We dwarves are natural sprinters, very dangerous over short distances!

I like that new unit of speed: phoenixes over map diagonal

Well yes, since dwarves are natural sprinters, very dangerous over short distances

I've taken to giving myself little breaks during the day and saying "I'll get a bit of a rest."

It seems like the thunders in front of the unit could run closer to 97 but the others we’re getting stopped by the thunders in front

Those thunderers were just ridiculously strong