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Can A Sicilian Understand Neapolitan? 

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@Rockypf2
@Rockypf2 Год назад
Hi Metatron, the "Can an Italian understand.." is my favorite series on this channel. probably because I find mutual intelligibility to be one of the most fascinating linguistic phenomenons. If you ever consider revisiting Portuguese whether it's for a video or even off camera for curiosity's sake, I would suggest looking into Angolan Portuguese or Portuguese from Mozambique. I've always found these varieties (especially that of Mozambique) to be easier to understand as a Spanish speaker. They feel to me like a comfortable middle ground between Brazilian and European Portuguese. The African varieties of Portuguese don't have as many nasal sounds as Brazilian and don't "cram" their words as much as European and to top it off they speak at a relaxed pace while enunciating clearly. There is a small youtuber with a channel called "Mozambicando". It's s a great channel for anyone trying to build their comprehension of Portuguese. The content consists of vlogs, interviews, and language related discussions. Sorry for the ramble. Keep up the amazing videos!
@metatronacademy
@metatronacademy Год назад
Thanks and I'm glad to hear that. Yes I will revisit Portuguese. Just like I already made two videos about Spanish, I will make dedicated videos to specific cities in both Brazil and Portugal. Thanks
@panathatube
@panathatube Год назад
​@@metatronacademyCheck out Corsican and Sardinian too if you ever find the time! Thanks
@watchmanonthewall14
@watchmanonthewall14 5 месяцев назад
@@metatronacademy As a Sicilian American who's never been to Sicily, this is fascinating. Thank you.
@arjay9745
@arjay9745 Год назад
One thing that bothers me about clips in Neapolitan is that they're usually comedic. For whatever reason, Italy has decided to make Naples the butt of every joke in every movie and series it makes. If anyone here is interested in hearing how beautiful Neapolitan sounds when spoken without the intent of hilarity, I recommend the song Dorme cu' mmé by La Maschera, which has a spoken part that gives a really nice impression of how sweet and melodic it can be in everyday life.
@metatronacademy
@metatronacademy Год назад
I will make a separate video on Neapolitan poetry, just like I'll make one about Sicilian poetry.
@arjay9745
@arjay9745 Год назад
@@metatronacademy That makes me very happy :).
@Kinotaurus
@Kinotaurus Год назад
Well, "Gomorra" is not much of a comedy.
@Kinotaurus
@Kinotaurus Год назад
@@metatronacademy Also, can you make one about Salentino? There is a difference of opinion if it's a dialect of Sicilian or a separate language in the Italiano Meridionale Estremo continuum.
@arjay9745
@arjay9745 Год назад
@@Kinotaurus You're right. What I should have said was that for most Italians, Neapolitans are either clowns or crooks.
@aris1956
@aris1956 Год назад
I am Italian and I am also an Italian teacher and I teach Italian language in schools here in Germany. I remember an anecdote of a German lady married to a Sicilian who had learned practically all of the Sicilian dialect from her husband. One day she came to school to pick up her son and stopped to tell me something. She began to speak in a deep and strong Sicilian dialect. I am not Sicilian, I am from the Campania region, and I know my dialect, but of course I do not know Sicilian. This lady, arrived at a certain point, noticed that I did not understand everything she was saying and said to me (in German).... “but you do not understand Italian ?” And I replied.... "dear lady, if you had spoken Italian, there would have been no problem, but what you have said so far was only in deep and strong Sicilian dialect." The lady was practically convinced that she was speaking in standard Italian to me. :)
@NYRangers928
@NYRangers928 Год назад
I'm Italian-American and my mother's grandparents were from Salerno and my father's grandparents were from Messina. Growing up my mother had no concept of Italian dialects and just assumed that Neapolitan was, in fact, Italian since all her grandparents spoke it and all the Italian immigrants in her neighborhood spoke it. It wasn't until she got engaged to my father that she realized that not everyone from Italy spoke the same. My mother's mom said she hardly understood a word when she first met my father's mom and that she was simply smiling and nodding throughout the conversation 🤣
@aris1956
@aris1956 Год назад
Yes, this can sometimes be quite curious and funny. I am Italian and I am also an Italian teacher and I teach Italian language in schools here in Germany. I remember an anecdote of a German lady married to a Sicilian who had learned practically all of the Sicilian dialect from her husband. One day she came to school to pick up her son and stopped to tell me something. She began to speak in a deep and strong Sicilian dialect. I am not Sicilian, I am from the Campania region, by the way I am also from Salerno, and I know my dialect, but of course I do not know Sicilian. This lady, arrived at a certain point, noticed that I did not understand everything she was saying and said to me (in German).... “but you do not understand Italian ?” And I replied.... "dear lady, if you had spoken Italian, there would have been no problem, but what you have said so far was only in deep and strong Sicilian dialect." The lady was practically convinced that she was speaking in standard Italian to me. 😊
@italianluvah83
@italianluvah83 Месяц назад
My family came here in the early 1900s from Naples and avellino. They called standard Italian high italian and told the family it's not correct and not to speak it lol. We never did. Only neapolitan
@emmanuelwood8702
@emmanuelwood8702 Год назад
Napoletano is such a beautiful language.
@emmanuelwood8702
@emmanuelwood8702 Год назад
@@MrDeskart vafanapoli
@giuseppeesposito7094
@giuseppeesposito7094 Год назад
No it sucks. I'm Neapolitan
@emmanuelwood8702
@emmanuelwood8702 Год назад
@@giuseppeesposito7094 Thats your opinion buddy.
@giuseppeesposito7094
@giuseppeesposito7094 Год назад
@@emmanuelwood8702 of course it's my opinion, but having lived for 30 years in Naples and being an actual Neapolitan speaker I have contrasting thoughts. It could be a beautiful language, but it is used and abused by voulgar and ignorant people that ruin it and make it voulgar as they are.
@emmanuelwood8702
@emmanuelwood8702 Год назад
@@giuseppeesposito7094 That happens with every language buddy. From my perspective its the most colorful and expressive language in italy.
@etiennebonanno
@etiennebonanno Год назад
I'm loving this series of videos! As a Maltese national, I am also fluent in Italian, and I find that I pretty much agree with you as to what is intelligible and what isn't. May I suggest that doing a video about the Maltese language might be an interesting experiment. Maltese is a semitic language evolved from Siculo-arabic, however it borrows a large percentage of vocabulary from romance languages, mostly Italian and Sicilian. I have Sicilian friends who say that they understand a lot of Maltese due to this. Due to its peculiar history, very often Maltese has two or more words for a given concept, one derived from the semitic side and one from the romance, therefore it is possible to speak in distinct registers, favouring one or the other aspect of the language, sounding either more italian or more semitic. Perhaps you'd find it interesting to try your hand (or ear) at making sense of Maltese at some point.
@mrtrollnator123
@mrtrollnator123 Год назад
I agree it would be very interesting to listen to some Maltese and see how much he understand
@yuzan3607
@yuzan3607 Год назад
I also think that video would be very interesting. Because Maltese is so different yet an Italian would feel like they can grasp what's being said. So that would be a really cool experiment.
@user-vr1mp2ef7d
@user-vr1mp2ef7d Год назад
Many years ago in England I had a Maltese girlfriend and when she spoke with her brothers and father I could understand what they were speaking about, but not the sense of the whole conversation. i still remember the words "forza" and "grazie hafna". PS. I was semi-bilingual Italian-English at the time, but we also spoke in French because, if I remember rightly, they came to England from Alexandria in Egypt.
@giulioBonati
@giulioBonati Год назад
I didn't know! Se scrivo in italiano mi capisci?
@robleyusuf2566
@robleyusuf2566 Год назад
My uncle studied in Italy and he also knew Arabic language living in Tunisia and Morocco for some years, and oneday he visited Malta and he understood what locals said, while he was at the market, and he replied them and they said he can speak Maltese😂😂😂😂
@RicardoRocha-lg1xo
@RicardoRocha-lg1xo Год назад
“Nothing” hahaha I burst out laughing along with you, Metatron. I studied Italian in university for almost a year but I understood absolutely nothing from that first rant.
@kaizersose7437
@kaizersose7437 7 месяцев назад
I’m Italian and live here and I understood “sto murto” sto morto
@Reet64
@Reet64 Год назад
I am a Canadian of Italian heritage. Over here, we have people from every region of Italy and most of us grew up getting exposed to a range of regional dialects. Mine was less frequent, Marchegiano, but many of my friends were Abbruzzesi, Calabresi, Siciliani, Napoletani, and a few Friulani. You would think that would help me understand these languages when I hear them. Per niente!!😂
@finmat95
@finmat95 5 месяцев назад
Abruzzesi*
@tommytwogloves16
@tommytwogloves16 7 месяцев назад
Sicilians speak their own distinct language with at least 10 dialects. 4 exclusive to Palermo alone. Most Siciliani speak standard Italian. My grandmother when she was living in 1985 had a neighbor who was from il Nord. She couldn’t understand a thing she was talking about!
@bakerzermatt
@bakerzermatt Год назад
There are still more official romance languages you haven't done yet! How about Romantsch from Switzerland? There are several dialects that are quite different, but also an 'official' dialect (Romansch Grischun) that's used in writing and on TV, but isn't actually spoken by anyone.
@servantofaeie1569
@servantofaeie1569 Год назад
And Haitian Creole
@oyoo3323
@oyoo3323 Год назад
​@@servantofaeie1569not Romance, but certainly would be worth checking.
@servantofaeie1569
@servantofaeie1569 Год назад
@@oyoo3323 Yes it is. How are creoles not part of the families of the languages they are descended from? It's literally just French with heavy African influence and a simplified orthography.
@oyoo3323
@oyoo3323 Год назад
@servantofaeie1569 not quite. Creoles are not classified as part of the family of their doner languages because they actually AREN'T what you described. What you described would indeed be a member of the same family, but not in fact a creole. Creoles have a base language from which they borrow vocabulary, but their grammar (which is not necessarily simplified), and thus the skeleton is often based on some other language, usually the native one of the first speakers of the creole. In the case of Haitian, its basic skeleton is based a varied mixture of a bunch of West African Niger-Congo languages, with only some French in there. French is only the language's skin, not whole body. This is exactly what makes creoles distinct from just regular descendant languages with foreign influence. They are, by definition, mixed languages.
@servantofaeie1569
@servantofaeie1569 Год назад
@@oyoo3323 Then they belong to both families, not neither.
@veidermaproduction8476
@veidermaproduction8476 Год назад
if I didn't get it too wrong In the first frase at: 2:17 he is basically cursing against the land that was used to plant the lemon tree that produced the lemons that were used to make shiny the handles the coffin where the ancestors of whoever punctured his tires.
@jonvoulo5711
@jonvoulo5711 Год назад
I’m an American of Italian heritage. My grandfather’s family was from Naples and my grandmother’s family was from Palermo. I am told that my grandfather learned to speak my grandmother’s dialect of Sicilian, mostly so that he could more effectively argue with her and her family. I wish there was a recording for Metatron to comment on.
@stlouisramsfan03
@stlouisramsfan03 Год назад
Your Romance series has inspired me to do a series of my own - "Can a Navajo understand Apache, Chipewyan, Hupa...etc.?" Thanks Metatron. I love your videos!
@Kinotaurus
@Kinotaurus 6 месяцев назад
So, can they? We should be told.
@DucaCremisi
@DucaCremisi Год назад
Would be cool about Corso and Abruzzese and Romano. Being both originally from Central Italy they are mostly intelligible too. Anw really like the new format! Let me know what I asked you some months ago about the subtitles in Italian. Keep it up compaesano!
@GloriaVictisDiesIlla
@GloriaVictisDiesIlla Год назад
The guy at 3:40 literally says "Damn the earth where those tender trees were sown the lemons of which served to render shinier the little brass knobs that adorn those wooden caskets of rotten fir where the best departed among your family's departed are gathered".
@s.picone
@s.picone Год назад
I’m enjoying this series Metatron ! It’d be cool if you did an episode on Mexican Spanish even though I know you already did some Spanish. Mexican people do not believe me when I tell them how similar Sicilian is to Spanish. When I break down words that are close they are amazed to learn we even use basically the same words. Another idea is an episode on Corsican. When I searched a translation of Sicilian google translate keeps telling me it’s Corsican. I think these would be interesting for people to see how similar both are pretty easy to understand for a native Sicilian. One being close and yet one being so far away from Italy all the way in the Americas.
@metatronacademy
@metatronacademy Год назад
I will!
@s.picone
@s.picone Год назад
@@metatronacademy Nice ! I’m looking forward to it.
@s.picone
@s.picone Год назад
@@graemeduncan1232 You’re right. It is closer to Tuscan but sounds southern like Sicilian. Very interesting the familiarity of it to me, being it’s geographical location. I would’ve thought different before learning more about it.
@Louisianish
@Louisianish 4 месяца назад
In English, you could say "He's speaking straight (up) Neapolitan/Sicilian" or even the more literal translation "He speaks strict Neapolitan/Sicilian" also works in English.
@ðisabasedletter
@ðisabasedletter Год назад
Respect from Napoli. Continua così Raffaele!
@BltchErica
@BltchErica Год назад
4:16 in what context is "your dead ones" used? In Romanian we use "your dead ones" as an insult, with many different variations of insulting someone's dead ones, and I just googled and apparently they do this in Spanish as well, that's really awesome to find out, would be cool if that is used in Italian too
@jhlfsc
@jhlfsc Месяц назад
Yep, it's an insult when they say that. They are cursing you, your family and even your ancestors.
@mafaldarusso6441
@mafaldarusso6441 15 дней назад
in italy is an insult too...
@Siciliansouthcoast
@Siciliansouthcoast Год назад
Complimenti e auguri per il canale, che cresca a dismisura! Contenuti di qualità
@user-vr1mp2ef7d
@user-vr1mp2ef7d Год назад
Iamme ! From Bergamo province, more difficult than Romanian. ;-) As you say, Italian with a Neapolitan accent is one thing, "napoletano stretto" is another.
@witt997
@witt997 Год назад
A very nice series of videos! As for me, I'm from Venice and I couldn't understand anything spoken in Neapolitan without subtitles! Maybe could you try Venetian? It plays a similar role in Veneto as Neapolitan in Campania and Southern Italy.
@metatronacademy
@metatronacademy Год назад
I absolutely will try Venetian. Grazie!
@marsper8692
@marsper8692 Год назад
Ti devo dire la verità: son di Napoli e diverse frasi non le ho capite nemmeno io 😅
@ðisabasedletter
@ðisabasedletter Год назад
​@@marsper8692idem ahahah
@Kinotaurus
@Kinotaurus 6 месяцев назад
Magari sei Turco :)@@marsper8692
@OVIDIUS.P
@OVIDIUS.P Год назад
Great video, I enjoyed it as usual. My friends from Firenze told me that I speak well and understand the accent from the north. I asked them how different can the other accents be? Then you uploaded the bicycle video and my jaw dropped😂. I couldn't pick up anything when he went full speed.
@alltnorromOrustarNorrland
@alltnorromOrustarNorrland 9 дней назад
This is so interesting!! Would like to hear and understand more about these languages! Especially Sicilian & Sardinian! And of course Venetian & Friulian..
@rawgab4439
@rawgab4439 5 дней назад
I LOVE your channel and wish one day I could master the Napoletan dialect ;))
@TheLTG
@TheLTG Год назад
Would be lovely to see you try to understand the "Talian" dialect that we speak here in southern Brazil, although it's quite spread in origin and influence, most of it comes from Veneto and Romagnol, i myself am trying to learn it so i may keep the heritage of the "coloni" that traveled from northern Italy to Mèrica (as in the general continent) Love the series, been binge watching it for a good while now.
@jeromemckenna7102
@jeromemckenna7102 Год назад
I loved the voice of the first actor - I don't speak any Italian but he got his point across.
@xamela1
@xamela1 Год назад
A very interesting video, thank you for your ongoing series. Your English is pretty much native level, perhaps the best Italian I've ever heard speak English although I know you lived in the UK for many years. One word that doesn't quite sound right to me as a native English speaker is when you say: "As a 'Southern'." It would more sense to say: "As a ' Southerner'" or "As a Southern Italian"
@Kinotaurus
@Kinotaurus 6 месяцев назад
Luka Lampariello also speaks very good English.
@Serenoj69
@Serenoj69 Год назад
I don't understand much as a Portugese, but what these guys have in common (in the movie) is that gesturing and the fact that they are screaming more than talking to another. I have seen this happening this vacation in Algarve too where a restaurant owner explained ot other portuguese that some restaurant they were fancying was not really Portuguese at all (and some sort of a shame in the town for that reason). Really the same attitude etc.
@Parmesana
@Parmesana Год назад
the one clip where the woman says the coffee is like bean water..there is a frame on wall with Toto (Antonio DeCurtis) who did many Neopolitan movies. My late boyfriend was born in Catania, but lived near Napoli in Vico Equense.. When he spoke Sicilian, I could not understand.. and Neopolitan is not easy either.È stato principe Don Corrado Cattaneo d'Volta du San Nicandro. Lui e morto 2011. Mi manche Lui. I find the Venetian dialetto and Genova dialtto difficile anche
@ForeverNihil
@ForeverNihil 3 месяца назад
Im from Sicily and I get most of Neapolitan. I find Naples very similar to Palermo where I lived even tho im from Agrigento area. Your videos about languages, especially Sicilian (which is a language actually) are very interesting. Ciao Metatron!
@ostrichhe4d
@ostrichhe4d Год назад
My suggestion for another video in this series is the language of Romansch. If you’re not aware, it is a Romance language spoken in some parts of Switzerland and is one of the closest descendants to classical Latin.
@alakhazom
@alakhazom Год назад
I'm from Romania,and speak my share of languages,especially latin ones. Had a job once,as a seller on a cruise ship,where i had a tiny crowd in front of me. Mostly we spoke english,but at one point i had a couple from Quebec,to which i spoke in french,another few to whom i spoke in spanish,the rest in english, juggling sentences from one language to another,on the fly. One lady said:"My God dear,how many languages do you speak as an american? I'm not american ma'am,english's not my first language! But your accent,i don't believe you,she replied!" Then my manager,who was also from Romania,comes out and asks me a few questions,in our language-moment i look to that lady and say,well that's my language. All in all,i find latin languages easy to learn,way easier than germanic ones,even surprised my once italian gf how easy i could read italian (which i never took a course,never watch that much media); even catalan i found somewhat easy to understand,not that different from spanish-the only one that eludes me is Romansch...I watched people speak it,watched some news reel...it's quite different. Interesting though,hope they keep it.
@philomelodia
@philomelodia Год назад
Has a very strong Germanic substratum. I do not see how it is any more closely descended from classical Latin than the other Romance languages surrounding it.
@ostrichhe4d
@ostrichhe4d Год назад
@@philomelodia Yeah maybe it’s incorrect to say that it’s that closely related. Still phonetically it sounds much more Latin that French or any of the other Latin dialects/languages that were influenced by Germanic.
@wilgefortisohlin568
@wilgefortisohlin568 Год назад
Maybe do Friulian language next? I’ve heard it’s closer to Latin than Italian but I have no expertise to verify it myself. It would be very interesting to hear your opinion!
@Nissardpertugiu
@Nissardpertugiu Год назад
Its quite alien language with tight accent over there
@gateret
@gateret Год назад
@@Nissardpertugiuwell I had a friend from brescia and once came with a friulan friend and I was amazed as not only I could understand most of it being from València, and I couldn’t believe it when he said: ‘si fasim una birra o si gratam als cullons?’ -> se fem una birra o se gratem als collons (cullons en catalonia😂)
@Nissardpertugiu
@Nissardpertugiu Год назад
@@gateret Ahì grata...
@michelefrau6072
@michelefrau6072 Год назад
If you get to read this comment, these are my suggestions for a Sardinian intelligibility test Baroniese (village of Orosei), the more conservative variant, preserves the latin velar c ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wwvUsP0kapo.html Logudorese (Macomer village), a less conservative variant, the latin velar c is partially preserved, it becomes g/ɣ in intervocalic position ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_pu88YGYSuw.html Campidanese (City of Cagliari), the most innovative variant, the latin velar c becomes a palatal t͡ʃ or ʒ in intervocalic position ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DsAvpXp1Txs.html Sassarese, (city of Sassari), a lingua franca that mixes Sardinian, Italian/Corsican and Ligurian, therefore only geographically Sardinian, but is interesting for its unusual sounds, especially for the ɬ which is hardly or even never found in the Romance languages ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rHXGVVx-NcY.html
@dceasley
@dceasley Год назад
I love this! I would love to see something like this with Barese dialect ☺️
@guycalabrese4040
@guycalabrese4040 Год назад
Old italian joke:"Do you know the difference between a pugliese and an albanian?" -"...noo.." "The albanian speaks italian!" 😉
@Giandujaz
@Giandujaz Год назад
It'd be great if you could do the same test with Sardinian. That would be challenging! Keep up the good work 👍
@pierreabbat6157
@pierreabbat6157 Год назад
Also Pilchardian and Harengian.
@Giandujaz
@Giandujaz Год назад
@@pierreabbat6157 and Anchovian as well
@antoniosorbino6233
@antoniosorbino6233 Год назад
Un saluto da un napoletano! Sempre interessantissimi i tuoi video 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@sergiopiparo4084
@sergiopiparo4084 Год назад
As a Sicilian? I found Napoletano sounds like they are singing when they speaking. I enjoyed listening to it
@irgun43
@irgun43 Год назад
I have two suggestions and a comment re Madrid Spanish 1. Ladino - the language of the Jews expelled from Spain in 1492 that can be found in the Balkans and in Istanbul Turkey 2. Gallego - the language of Galicia in northwestern Spain that is Portuguese spoken with Spanish sounds which is much easier to understand As a latin American I find Madrid Spanish ( the th sound extremely irritating) - we substitute "s" for it and Iberiah Standard Spanish to be extremely stuffy
@dseanjackson1
@dseanjackson1 Год назад
What about one of the Rhaeto romance languages? Fûrlan, Ladin, or Rumantsch?
@corpi8784
@corpi8784 Год назад
Cap is one of those words where Southern Italian dialects and Romanian are very close . (Cap
@corpi8784
@corpi8784 Год назад
Cap. (derived fron Latin Caput) instead of testa as in Standard Italian
@giorgiodifrancesco4590
@giorgiodifrancesco4590 Год назад
In stardard Italian "capo" it exists, but it's considered a word a little bit "old". "Testa" in latin means earthenware pot.
@ilcondottierocartografo6770
Capo is also used in standarf italian for head
@carmineingaldi47
@carmineingaldi47 Год назад
I would really like to understand why romainan sound so similar to neapolitan language. It's not only "cap" but a lot of other words. Plus both languages make an intense use of sounds like ă. Is it just a coindence (like both languages have more direct relationship with latin than italian) or there is a reason (common greek roots, mass migrations between south italy and balcans)? Maybe it could be material for a video 😊
@marsper8692
@marsper8692 Год назад
@@carmineingaldi47l’italiano è letteralmente la seconda lingua più vicina al latino dopo il sardo con il 12% d’evoluzione, non comprendo come possa il napoletano, una lingua con forte sostrato osco, essere più vicina al latino rispetto alla nostra lingua nazionale. Per non parlare del rumeno, profondamente influenzato in pronuncia e vocabolario dai propri vicini slavi e ungheresi.
@TheIamtheoneandonly1
@TheIamtheoneandonly1 Год назад
Hi Metatron. As I understand it, there are at least a dozen or so different regional dialects of Sicily which can vary even from town to town. I think it would be both very interesting and informative if you could explore them for us. Just saying.
@DavldeCandita
@DavldeCandita Год назад
Beautiful video and beautiful series. It would be interesting to know how much a Sicilian can understand about Salentino since it is categorized as a variant of Sicilian
@chrisventura1881
@chrisventura1881 4 месяца назад
I love Neopolitan Sicilian Barese Calabrese all the southern dialects. So fascinating. Gotta love our country and people 🇮🇹✌🏼🇺🇸
@leakanddestroy
@leakanddestroy Год назад
Hi Metatron. I'd love to hear your opinion on Professor Alberto Grandi and his claims that many "traditional" Italian recipes were really fabricated after WW2. Apparently he says most Italians never heard of pizza until the 1950s, and he angered the Italian right with his claims. Anyway it would be cool to hear your take on it.
@lory3767
@lory3767 Год назад
They never heard of pizza probably because before ww2 it was just a Naples food and so much known only in America thanks to the italian restaurants that became famous , while in Italy there was a lot of ignorance everyone was thinking of how to survive the day , That's just my guess tho
@Heavy-metaaal
@Heavy-metaaal Год назад
What I got is that if an italian from other parts go to Naples region, they won't be able to understand the local language. That's why they need to speak standard italian in this situations. Is it right?
@giulianopisciottano8302
@giulianopisciottano8302 Год назад
Yes but it's the same for all regions. Every region has a regional language, so for example if a Neapolitan goes to Lombardy he wouldn't be able to understand Lombard dialect
@AsterTesEsperas
@AsterTesEsperas Год назад
can you please do one "can a Sicilian understand Veneto?" this goes out to my fellow Veneto-Brazilian, as for myself, being descendant of Basanesi and Padovani
@Calculus58
@Calculus58 4 месяца назад
In the film Benvenuti al Sud they explain that speakers of southern dialects tend to knock the vowels off the ends of words.
@michaelbucciarelli3141
@michaelbucciarelli3141 5 месяцев назад
I have very good Italian (as a first generation Italo-Australian). Italian was my first language until Kindergarten. My dad was from Abruzzi, and my mum from le Isole-Eolie (Pr. Messina). So we spoke Italian at home, Abruzzese when in Pescara, and Sicilian when on the island of Salina (Eolie). But not being born in Italy, I would sometimes get dialect mixed up into my Italian (eg: Io voglio bevere, io voglio dicere ...etc), .. ... until I studied Italian formally at Uni (aka Aussie for "university" :) Although your Italian is NLP Native Level Proficiency (DOC!), and you speak fluent Sicilian, (and fantastic English btw). But when I was watching the TV series "Gommora" & "L'amica geniale" ..... I had to do a mini-study of Neapolitan, as with my standard Italian ..... I was missing big chunks of language (understanding). Especially in "Gommora". But it's interesting to see that even with fluent native Sicilian and Italian ... you "sometimes" also find "il Napolitano stretto- stretto" ..... difficult . That makes me feel better as I just couldn't follow some of "Gommora" with my Standard Italian & Abruzzese. So thanks for your video. Your videos are very interesting linguistically speaking. Also your history video doc's rock too. :). You must have a healthy IQ. Grazie di nuovo. Sei geniale!
@sawelios1541
@sawelios1541 Год назад
This is so weird; I have been watching metatron for so long and I cannot put my finger on what makes him so familiar to me. So I had my sound off and watched him for a bit talk and I would bet you he was a Greek speaking(I am Greek). Of course he might have heritage being southern Italian but still its so unreal.
@sawelios1541
@sawelios1541 Год назад
@@graemeduncan1232 Thanks for the answer mate! Though honestly it doesnt really matter most people from the south of europe have many things in common so in certain cases they might be mistaken for one another. Take care!
@EstNix
@EstNix Год назад
I think someone already said maybe listening to Sardinian would be interesting to see
@arrunzo
@arrunzo Год назад
Seconded! I'd love to see Raffaele's thoughts on Sardinian given that it is said to overall be the closest living Romance language to Latin--or at least, one of its varieties. Honestly, it's probably inevitable that he takes a look at it, so we'll see!
@JohnDove-d8d
@JohnDove-d8d Месяц назад
Corsu.
@GehtEuchNixan82
@GehtEuchNixan82 Год назад
i love youre collecting nintendo stuff ;-) Btw. the idea of tracking language is just genious!
@forthrightgambitia1032
@forthrightgambitia1032 Год назад
Are you going to do Occitan? It would be interesting if it were even easier to understand than Catalan given it is in the middle.
@petelobl
@petelobl Год назад
I loved Naples - after a pilgrimage to Virgil’s tomb, we sought the birthplace of the calzone. I drove around a little and heard I’m sure some choice dialect trying to escape traffic circles, but my primitive Italian was warmly welcomed once we went on foot.
@giulianorivieri2806
@giulianorivieri2806 10 месяцев назад
In Sicilia ascoltano (e cantano) tutti le canzoni napoletane. Quantomeno nei quartieri popolari. In pratica è come una lingua co-ufficiale😀
@stevenbagley9858
@stevenbagley9858 5 месяцев назад
To better appreciate the beauty of Streto Napoletano just listen to the songs of Massimo Ranieri. One in particular album, " O' Surrdato n'amurrato " (there are youtube videos) is so beautiful it brings me to tears. Please do a take on Siciian vs Romano.
@johanneskaufmann2399
@johanneskaufmann2399 Год назад
Brav' guaglio! I'd really like to see you try Sardinian supposedly being closer to Latin.
@NoName-yw1pt
@NoName-yw1pt Год назад
YES! The video I wanted to see! Thank you so very much 🙏🏻
@sucre4523
@sucre4523 Год назад
corsican or romansh!!
@Awakeningspirit20
@Awakeningspirit20 11 месяцев назад
Napulitano must be the Italian equivalent of American Deep South Bayou English, it all runs together the same way some Cajun bubba's speech would! This would actually be the language my ancestors spoke in the most remote, country part of Italy, Molise. I like Sicilian, it reminds me of Catalan and... well... I can actually decipher it lol.
@ROMANTIKILLER2
@ROMANTIKILLER2 Год назад
Speaker from Northern Italy (Piemonte) here: if it's Italian with Neapolitan accent, no problem to understand apart from the occasional word; if it's Napoletano stretto, I can understand as much as spoken Portugues and Romanian (barely anything).
@doggy5
@doggy5 Год назад
Italian from the opera. Like maybe one of Mozart's arias. I'd be interested to know how difficult operatic Italian is for a modern Italian to understand.
@amaranthineA
@amaranthineA Год назад
I’m Italian (from Italy) and also an opera maniac😊 A contemporary Italian speaker can understand a 99-100% of a Mozart libretto, just the lexicon is outdated for us. The real difficult moment is when a not native Italian singer, especially a not very good one, is singing.
@doggy5
@doggy5 Год назад
@@amaranthineA That's pretty cool. I've also noticed that in older operas like the Handel ones, you have "core" instead of "cuore", or "novo" instead of "nuovo". And in one of the Haydn operas, I noticed they use "denaro" instead of "soldi".
@giulianopisciottano8302
@giulianopisciottano8302 Год назад
​@@doggy5denaro is still in the vocabulary tbh. Novo and core only exist in dialects nowadays (I think because Italian evolved and branched away as languages often tend to do)
@doggy5
@doggy5 Год назад
@@giulianopisciottano8302 Yeah, makes sense. And the country names seem to have changed too. In Mozart's Don Giovanni, they use Alemagna instead of Germania, and Ispagna instead of Ispagna.
@chenoaholdstock3507
@chenoaholdstock3507 Год назад
How the heck do you handle this upload schedule? This must be insanely hard!
@Franctx3kq
@Franctx3kq 4 месяца назад
Bel video! Sarebbe interessante anche farlo con il dialetto salentino.
@EmeKu01
@EmeKu01 Год назад
Im from argentina, here in buenos aires there is also a neighborhood called palermo. Fascinating
@The_Hasty_Ent
@The_Hasty_Ent Год назад
I'm enjoying the series Metatron, I'm interested to know if you ever "realise" that a word is dialect when you speak to another Italian and they seem confused. I'm Australian and sometimes feel unsure if the word I'm going to use is used in other English speaking countries
@giulianopisciottano8302
@giulianopisciottano8302 Год назад
A bit different because the "dialects" of Italy aren't actually dialects, they are languages derived from latin, like Spanish, Portuguese, french etc.
@giuliobernacchia1848
@giuliobernacchia1848 Год назад
It can happen, I witnessed it a few times: someone from some area of Italy uses a word which is absolutely common and it is considered perfect Italian for them but it is completely unknown or not used in other parts.
@AstralHealthGuy
@AstralHealthGuy Год назад
When he spoke board neoplatiano he sounds just like my grandma when she is angry or complaining haha I wonder if she gets more board when upset
@jeans.p.7822
@jeans.p.7822 Год назад
As a Sicilian, what's your opinion on the Calabrian dialect? Is it more similar to Sicilian or Neapolitan? It'd probably depended on the region, I assume.
@anthonymarino79
@anthonymarino79 Год назад
In my opinion, cosentino and the varieties of would be closer to napoletano .. but Reggio, catanzarese etc closer to Sicilian ..
@natural783
@natural783 11 месяцев назад
La Calabria è divisa in due linguisticamente (e ha senso perché lo era anche amministrativamente, c'erano due Calabria durante il regno di Napoli), quella settentrionale che è un continuum della lingua napoletana (o italiano meridionale chiamatelo come vi pare) e quella meridionale che è praticamente lingua siciliana.
@no1basser
@no1basser Год назад
I love the videos, but I don't really know romance languages (a little Spanish), but I know Japanese! Can you do a trying to understand a Japanese Dialect you don't know? Kansai ben, the Okinawan Language, Hakata etc.?
@smaza2
@smaza2 Год назад
you should this with sardo! it's such a cool and underrated language tbh
@elioamedeo
@elioamedeo Год назад
Metatron ma una commedia di DeFilippo? O una poesia? Non era meglio dei grezzi 'nmiezz 'a via? 😂
@lewiitoons4227
@lewiitoons4227 Год назад
The continuum in Italy is beautiful, I wonder if it’s a similar situation to scots where functionally they their own language but met with some deprestigation of languages being called “diaclects”
@barbellvgo2424
@barbellvgo2424 Год назад
Not really ,I’ve lived in the UK for a decade and lived in London and Cardiff, yet I understand Scots far more than Neapolitans.
@lewiitoons4227
@lewiitoons4227 Год назад
@@barbellvgo2424 how far north Scots and how deep into Cardiff are we talkin here 😂 it must also be said that’s Scot’s and Scot’s english aren’t the same thing Scot’s English is standard English with a Scottish accent and Scot’s is a seperate but very closely related language which is why I compared the situation to that of i dialetti in Italy
@natural783
@natural783 11 месяцев назад
Yes it's the same, unfortunately
@barbellvgo2424
@barbellvgo2424 11 месяцев назад
even Scots is easier for me compared to Neapolitan, whereas for Scottish English that's not even a problem as I'd even watch my Scottish lecturer(with a thick accent) on 2x speed on Panopto. It's mostly due to anglophones being really lazy linguistically and not have intuition in that matter.@@lewiitoons4227
@giulioBonati
@giulioBonati Год назад
I think the second time you understood what the man with the bike said, but you didn't want to translate the barrage of fancy insults and profanity that the guy said 😂
@jhlfsc
@jhlfsc Месяц назад
So, by this logic....is Calabrese even easier for you to understand since it is the bridge between Sicilian and Neopolitan, or does the remote landscape of Calabria lend itself to even less intelligable dialects?
@alandrosstettina1843
@alandrosstettina1843 Год назад
I have family from Naples, Palermo, Rome and Trapani! Cheers!
@nobilitatus
@nobilitatus Год назад
Can't wait for the Roman edition!
@Reziac
@Reziac Год назад
To my ear the Neapolitans sound like Germans speaking Italian. I notice in this series that how much is understood is directly proportional to how much it sounds like Latin. :)
@marsper8692
@marsper8692 Год назад
Neapolitan has a strong oscan substratum, which was an oriental italic language, this is why it sounds like the weirder version of latin. Actually, the variant spoken in Puteoli is even more different in pronunciation.
@tinkerwithstuff
@tinkerwithstuff Год назад
Any idea how/where to learn Neapolitan pronunciation (from reading off sheet music), to be able to sing 19/20th century songs from there without making Neapolitans cringe? :D (I guess the idea you might have about that goes for all dialects where you are not from, but you most certainly have a higher chance of having an idea than me :D Normal Italian courses don't do it)
@tatiana-impara-l-italiano
@tatiana-impara-l-italiano 2 месяца назад
Wow, I watched the entire video and only at the end noticed you're wearing something... historical?
@Leftyotism
@Leftyotism Год назад
Haha, I looove dialects!
@servantofaeie1569
@servantofaeie1569 Год назад
Romance languages (that I know off the top of my head) to go: Aragonese, Aromanian, Arpitan, Asturian, Cape Verdean Creole, Corsican, Dalmatian, Emilian, Extremaduran, Fala, Friulian, Gallo, Haitian Creole, Istriot, Istro-Romanian, Ladin, Ladino, Leonese, Ligurian, Lombard, Louisiana Creole, Megleno-Romanian, Mirandese, Norman, Occitan, Papiamento, Picard, Piedmontese, Romagnol, Romansch, Sardinian, Venetian, Walloon, and Sicilian (I know he is Sicilian but I still want to see a video on it).
@doudou015
@doudou015 3 дня назад
All Italian are united . Siamo l itatia ! from sardegna blood ❤
@ArmandoBellagio
@ArmandoBellagio Год назад
I watched Gommorra in original with subtitles. Seems like they swallow the endings a lot and o is often a u-sound like they say O Ciro (also with the title O in front) to the one character I noticed.
@arrunzo
@arrunzo Год назад
The pronunciation of the letter O in Neapolitan words is kind of like how Portuguese speakers pronounce the letter O like a U. Also, as far as I know, something that is relatively unique to Neapolitan compared to other Romance languages is the presence of "schwas" (like the sound of "uh" in English). This also occurs in Portuguese, some dialects of Catalan, and most definitely in Romanian, even having its own letter ("ă"). Interesting stuff!
@lugo_9969
@lugo_9969 Год назад
Great TV series. Really tough for a foreigner to hear & understand.
@ebbceramics7877
@ebbceramics7877 3 месяца назад
Video molto carino! Bravo. Io sono ligure, ma capisco bene il napoletano, se non è molto stretto...
@davochinomalo
@davochinomalo Год назад
You should test your comprehension abilities for Argentinian Spanish which many Spanish speakers like to claim sounds like and is influenced by Italian due to the large migration from Italy during the 19th and 20th centuries. You should particularly pay attention to the Lunfardo jargon or sociolect which has a lot of Italian vocabulary and expressions.
@franz9573
@franz9573 Год назад
I come from the Molise region which is a variety of the Neapolitan dialect, when I came to Germany in 1979 at the age of 7, I could not speak German and in the area in Germany were mainly Sicilians especially from the province of Agrigento and my parents often went to Italian events and my parents said there are also children who speak Italian, O.K. yes there were Italians from Sicily but they talked among themselves in Dialect and I understood almost nothing, someone says talia, what does talia mean I said to my father. it really took me 4-5 months to be able to talk with other children. But the dialect from Palermo is easier than from Agrigento.
@GigaDavy91
@GigaDavy91 Год назад
Would be very interesting to see the difference in comprehension when it comes to different varieties of the same regional language, Like Apulia's variety of Neapolitan is already much different to my ears. If you ever do a video about Sardinian I would appreciate if you included at least an example of Logudorese and Campidanese varieties/dialects. Also there are many places where they speak another language inside the same region and would be great to see how the regional languages can influence another language, like the Greek speaking community in Messina.
@giulianopisciottano8302
@giulianopisciottano8302 Год назад
Apulians speak apulian. Not Neapolitan
@GigaDavy91
@GigaDavy91 Год назад
@@giulianopisciottano8302 a part of Apulians speak a variety of Neapolitan, altho it is very different from Napoli's Neapolitan en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Italy#/media/File%3ALinguistic_map_of_Italy_-_Legend.svg
@GigaDavy91
@GigaDavy91 Год назад
In the same way that logudorese is different from campidanese, and there are actually a spectrum of dozens of sub-varieties in the middle, same is true for the northern variety of Apulian and Napoli's Neapolitan variety
@ðisabasedletter
@ðisabasedletter Год назад
The sad fact is that neapolitan language is considered by some italians (even neapolitans) only as a rude way to speak, without knowing that it was considered a very noble and elevated kind of language.
@malcolmsulit5584
@malcolmsulit5584 Год назад
Video request please: Further comparison of Classical and Ecclesiastical Latin pronunciations. For example: Does the Ecclesiastical pronunciation use macrons?
@paliki
@paliki 2 месяца назад
Of course they understand Neapolitan.. there’s a brotherhood between Neapolitans and Sicilian people.
@markcreemore4915
@markcreemore4915 Год назад
I detect a real similarity between the Napolitano and Abruzzese dialects.
@vergopia
@vergopia 5 месяцев назад
Sei bravissimo. Complimenti!
@Cu_Chulainn_Setanta
@Cu_Chulainn_Setanta Год назад
I'm Portugues, and I speak Italian too. But when he speaks napolitan I can't understand nothing.
@deboras.2093
@deboras.2093 Год назад
"E cos'è qua ?! L'acqua dei faggioli?! " 😂😂😂
@Pdor_figlio_di_Kmer
@Pdor_figlio_di_Kmer Год назад
You should do something with the Bari dialect. Or the one from Bergamo. True story: my father, may God rest him, at times complained that when he was in the army he couldn't understand people form Bergamo when they spoke. When it was MY turn to be in the army, in the C.A.R. (corso addestramento reclute), the communal room in front of mine was composed ONLY of men from Bari. Man, when they started going at it between them in the purest form of their dialect (I dare call it like that because I am Italian)... I haven't experienced tight dialect from Bergamo, but the one from Bari, you needed the subtitles. The only word I understood was "piccione" and NO, they weren't talking about a dove. 😆 On average they sounded ARABIC. 🙂
@P.Glisia
@P.Glisia 8 месяцев назад
Hi, l love your videos they are so interresting! What about italian and corsica language? I think it's pretty close but I really don't know !! It will be interresting to do a comparison between this two language !!
@crystalsuishou8367
@crystalsuishou8367 Год назад
Italian should be my mother language ... if Mom were not born and grown up in Nizza. So French it is. Now, still Italian is my favourite, and familiar to me. Nonna and Nonno were from Northern Italy. Now, when I'm watching Montalbano ... I'm feeling like a full beginnger :o( but God do I love it! And talking of Argentinian, Nonno was born in Argentina and grew up there until he had to leave when he was 20.
@janetthomas8244
@janetthomas8244 Год назад
I watched Gomorrah on RAI. They had subtitles in standard Italian, which was great for me.
@filippocalcagno5393
@filippocalcagno5393 Год назад
Ciao metatron! Sarebbe bello se provassi a capire o xeneize:)
@siriokds
@siriokds Год назад
I understand almost 80% of Neapolitan and I'm from Sicily too both from the east coast.
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