Can Centerline Theory Be Applied? 

He is a dangerous man!!

The one and only! Must’ve been amazing to have worked with him back then! He’s been my instructor for 10years but I bet back then it was something to behold! RLTW!

Hooah!

What is difference in the SERGEANT, and then MASTER sergeant PLEASE?? [ ps- TWC & MWC practitioner here. This is a very good short video- and that big person looks seriously experienced to me- something about the way he has casual refined expression, plus big frame. I would certainly try to run away!😂 ]

Hahaha! Thank you!!

If you are on the inside and your opponent has already missed his first strike, you are in position to do whatever you want.

​@@stevemeisternomickinda yeah, but the time you have is very short

He is dangerous! Former ranger instructor and fought in many wars in the Middle East.

I learned some stuff from him when he trained the 82nd AirBorn. Great stuff! Both lethal and less. Great instructor!

Thank you!!

Thank you!!

Glad you enjoyed it!

Thank you sir! He has been training under Sifu Fong since the 90s.

So many people make the mistake of bouncing around like they're a boxer in a ring but the problem with that is that it wastes energy and prevents you from staying focused. It also prevents you from keeping a solid base from which can apply central-line attack and defence. Of course you don't just stand there, but slowly move around changing your line of attack and creating openings while still protecting you space.

Sifu Juan has been training under Sifu Fong since the 90s!

Thanks bro!!!

I agree! He fought in many wars in the Middle East and was also a ranger instructor.

I dunno man, a lot of this theory has to be able to be applied effectively in an actual fight, such as within the octagon. Otherwise, it's just theory. Not saying it can't be done, but it still has to be testable. A lot of these traditional techniques are advanced, and hard to apply with the average practitioner, still remains to be seen whether they can be applied at an advanced level. I'm sure there are different scenarios where they could be effective theoretically, such as with multiple weaker aggressors. Or if you're trying to dispatch of a weaker attacker within a timely period.

@@Kenf333Good comments. I have a healthy scepticism of such things too and I would probably not use it in the "octagon" (i.e. in MMA/UFC here). The reason is not because they would be ineffective but because WC formulated for self-defence, not a rules-based competition. Most of WC would be illegal in MMA, which is why you rarely see it. But for street fighting, where anything goes, I think it has utility. I've done a lot of different martial arts and they all have something to offer. I have always been a supporter of concept over technique and the centreline "theory" is a ubiquitous concept across all martial arts, whether it is boxing or judo or whatever. It's just a way of controlling what's in front of you. The concept is the same but implemented differently. When you clinch in boxing or grab the other person’s lapels in judo, you are trying to control the space and make an opening to attack. It's the same in WC with man sau (inquisitive hand) where you offer your hands up and lead or "invite" the opponent to engage along a particular line, and then you counter along another. But you are right, of course, these are advanced methods of fighting and require lots of drill to acquire the ability to use in a real fight.

@@optimusmaximus9646 What makes people think their opponents won't simply ignore the fancy striking being thrown at them and just close the distance into a clinch, your strikes have to have stopping power otherwise there's no point in even using them, and you may as well stick to regular punches. I'm not saying all of these can't be effective because, hey I'm a believer too. But we'll see how the sport innovates I guess? Also, I believe the arena is a good testing grounds for tactics, otherwise how would you prove otherwise? Would you rather have people fight to the death to prove the effectiveness of your technique, or simply spar?

@@Kenf333 That is indeed the case. I myself am a big fan of closing the gap quickly into a clinch as it suits my style of fighting and temperament but some people are pretty good at defending their space. As a judoka it's also where I like to be - close up in someone's face. It's got nothing to do with "fancy" striking. Thole whole purpose of centreline theory is to maximise your force by ensuring that your body's centre of mass is behind every attack and defence, that's all.

@@optimusmaximus9646 I liked the statement about putting your body behind each and every move, you have to, because it really is about a well-rounded effort. But eh, we'll see if it is able to be adopted en masse, in live settings withholding the gloves, of course. I know the gloves can be a hindrance. Hey I'm a believer too and I believe in the effectiveness of more advanced techniques! We'll just have to wait and see whether people can incorporate them into their regimens over time.

I came here to read through these to see if anyone would point that out. Ip man wing chun and serak silat, been doing these since before they were a 'fad'.

Fight the opponent using your techniques, don't fight your techniques using your opponent.

It's a Karate vs Wing Chun sparring but Wing seems dangerous here.

Is it not simply possible that they look similar?

@Gieszkanne. There are many style of Silat practiced in SE Asia. And some of them are collectively called "Kuntao" which means Martial Art in Chinese Hokkien dialect. Not surprisingly the Silat of Guru Maul in Brunei is similar to WC, maybe introduced to Brunei during the Ming Dynasty when trading in the precious bird's nest was prosperous till today in Sarawak. BTW, some other Silat have the opening salutation with close fist & palm. Keep training.🙏

Because you could look at this video without sound, and believe it's 15 different martial arts, that's why. At their core, many principles are the same for many of them

Kevin has a guest on his show who we are going to learn from

I want to! But the instructor was busy when I tried to visit. :(

Oh man.

As a host, I asked questions to draw answers from the guests. So even if I knew the answers I always ask as if I don’t know. That’s how I create conversations and ask questions that the audience might have. Hope this makes sense.

@@KevinLeeVlog Thanks for the reply and yes, this makes perfect sense. Now, my question was specific to your knowledge on the question in the video (regardless if it's to generate responses or not). Do you fight from that bai jong stance - and if so, why and what principles/concepts dictate it? Centerline? Anything else? I'll share my thoughts after if that's cool :) Thanks in advance!

Could you timestamp where he does one of these pivots?

Could be because you haven’t trained so you just don’t know what you’re talking about. Maybe that’s it.

Well, that's just like, your opinion, man. - The Dude

@@redrenegade7724 given that the Wing Chun stance is the Wing Chun Stance, and in the application talked about- Wing Chun does not have a start that chokes the center and destroys subtle movement that evades and makes the practitioner a sitting duck. ...Not, opinion.-Ernie Moore Jr. For my comprehension of Wing Chun, since I don't like it.. there migth be things I see that I would recognize and categorize as being Wing Chun... it most certainly might count as being Not!!! Early Wing Chun....I No_Know.-Ernie Moore Jr. A style is a style because of it's core--that makes it identifiable as that style. What he is showing here at the beginning,, because I couldn't get passed that first presentation,, is not my opinion, it's literally Not!-in the book [so-to speak (shake-a-can)]-of Wing Chun to do that if one practices from Ip Man back. Yes, my thought... -Ernie Moore Jr. Yet there won't be any support of how Wing Chun is used effectively for what he shows here, that it's Wing Chun. It doesn't seem reasonable to consider That! movement Wing Chun.-Ernie Moore Jr. Note: I would hope early Experts would be purist and not think to use that front foot stand,, but my opinion would not matter.,, Only what is Wing Chun is Wing Chun,, whatever that might be.-Ernie Moore Jr.

Enough bullshit already!!! You sound like a disgruntled ex WC practitioner who got his arse kicked by a schoolgirl. BTW WC is a system & not a style.@@twooharmony2000