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7:20 BS, BS, BS. Talks without slightest understanding how that works. I can bet 10^6 you would not tell self terminated off the spool Eth cable from any electronics store or fancy BS "audiophile" cable. And no, you don't need Cat8 cable at home.
@@TheAudioStuff ETH have no sound. TCP/IP, UDP, and any other protocols don't know and don't care what is inside frame/packet payload. Nor do they change picture in video stream or make pdf print crispier in network printer.
The problem that most ignore is the noise in the grid. I’ve got powerline adapters at home and they are polluting like hell. The modulation is so strong that it’s causing popping and buzzing in my phono amplifier. I had to invest in shielded power cables and power filters to get rid of that.
I strongly advise against using powerline adapters in a power grid if you care about the quality of your audio. These adapters intentionally inject noise into the AC sinewave, which will negatively affect your audio. There may be situations where you need to use power line adapters though. In these cases, it is a good idea to use power filters to reduce noise. However, it is unlikely that you will be able to eliminate all of the noise without using a power regenerator, which can be quite expensive. I will be publishing a video on power filters soon, so stay tuned!
@@TheAudioStuffI believe back in the early days there was a separate unit called a "REGULATED POWER SUPPLY". Now I think the unit you maybe talking about is a POWER CONDITIONER.
Make a video of you passing an ABX double blind test otherwise you're just making unsubstantiated claims. Talk is cheap If you can't SHOW it You don't KNOW it
@@TheAudioStuff 🤣 Of course you didn't. Do you know I have a 50ft Dragon that shoots lightning bolts from its eyeballs that lives in my back shed? I don't have a video of it, but, trust me bro it's there.
The real problem is knowing if you're getting a poor quality knockoff of the real branded item. For such a low price, it might fall apart before it fails. Far too many counterfeit products out there. I've also been tempted to buy, but never have. If it sounds too good to be true...?
@@walterpen371 some people on head-fi are quiet surprised by aliexpress cables of course they are all fake but as long they use materials they claim i dont see a big reason against aliexpress cables
I always test my audio equipment by comparing my system with and without a tweak, multiple times. I enjoy making changes to my setup as it helps me understand the impact of each piece on the overall audio quality. Thanks for mentioning that!
@@TheAudioStuff Nice! Personally, I was really amazed by the difference in sound with speaker cables. I ultimately decided on Chinese 8N silver plated OCC cables (bi-wiring). Good workmanship and just affordable (I need 60 meters of cable LOL)
1. So I shouldn't listen to "them" (who make bold claims about cables improving sound), but I should listen to you (who was given a power cable and assured people that it makes, ehm, dynamics better). Data: Trust me, bro. 2. I guess you would be able to distinguish a 5-euro ethernet cable from the one that costs 60 euros in a blind audio tests, as you claim that however small, there's a difference? If so, why don't you present that? 3. Is there any snake oil that you also advertise, by any chance?
ETH have no sound. TCP/IP, UDP, and any other protocols don't know and don't care what is inside frame/packet payload. Nor do they change picture in video stream or make pdf print crispier in network printer.
It's not about the protocol, of course it can't be changed with a cable. It's mostly about the noise getting passed through the devices that messes things up for AUDIO, because you don't care if your printer is getting a noisy signal, as it's not amplifying it and playing it back.
@@TheAudioStuff What noise? And how it doesn't matter for video croud? Only golden-ears hear at -130dB. "don't care if your printer is getting a noisy signal" - how is that? My prints will be messy and blobbed.
Noise that's being picked up/carried over. It doesn't matter for video, because you're not amplifying the noise. After amplification it won't be as low as -130dB + the harmonic distortion. Again, I hope that you can understand, you prints are not messy, as you're not amplifying or carrying over the noise and it stays digital for the entire path.
@@TheAudioStuff "Noise that's being picked up/carried over" - what noise? Something real, please, not that audiophool "noizzz blabber". Noise is rejected at NIC. "It doesn't matter for video, because you're not amplifying the noise" - what?
The Chinese cable serve their intended purpose. They're pretty. Personally, I enjoy the comedy of audiofools bickering about shit they can neither audibly perceive - or electronically/acoustically measure.
My favorite Chi Fi cables are found on eBay. I use the pure silver power cables that are copper in color, braided and use Furutech NCF ends. My favorite sounding RCA cables are the oil filled cables. They have that purity of sound like any other silver but offers a very open sound.
Euhhhh, Ethernet cables for “audio improvements”???? That’s bullshit. If a cat8 is better than a cat6, yes, thanks to better wires, better shielding, better shielding between pairs… the data transmission inside it, csma/cd, has nothing to do with analog noise floor or jitter. Ethernet has its own clock, collision detect and does not transmit any power to an analog system… So, what you talk about Ethernet is very strange… Otherwise, globally, your video are well made. I can confess that 👍
In the video, I mentioned that upgrading the Ethernet cable didn't seem to have a significant affect on the audio, rather a very tiny one. My guess is that this is because the nearest analog device, which is the DAC, is receiving a more noisy digital signal and may output analog signal in a less than perfect way. This has been proven and measured, which is why DDCs (Digital-to-Digital Converters) exist.
But cat 8 is 2 numbers higher than 6, so your audio quality is measurably better! His soundstage was all wrong before this higher number came along - which you'll also find on far cheaper cables, but never mind -
@@PinkAsAPistol No, it is digital with error control check. So, the data are transmitted correctly or not. If not, then retry. The categories certify at what rate this can be done. 10mbps, 100mbps, 1giga, 2.5, 10giga… Nothing to do with audio quality.
Imagine thinking cables for an error correcting gigabit protocols will be making a difference to your sound setup in ant way. It's even nonsense for actual audio signal carriers. Imagine thinking that power cables also make a difference, even though every audio product nowadays has AC/DC converter with incredibly good filtering. Plus, if your power cable actually gets noise introduced to it, you're probably working in an industrial radio tower and your head is heating up from all the microwaves
@@TheAudioStuff So the noise from....what? It's only a signal line interface, it has no power line to have a powerline noise... Do you think the data lines themselves inject noise? Where? Into your analog circuitry? How? These things are about as separate as you can get in a device. Not to mention that even if there was a power line, those get heavily filtered in pretty much every modern device.
The only cables worth spending money on, are a good set of ANALOG Audio Interconnects. Those do require high quality cables. The rest, Digital and Ethernet, complete fake. Digital is "1" or "0," those bits and bytes either arrive, or they don't. Build quality is good, yes.. but if you think your digital audio "sounds better", than a complete fool. The same goes for power cables, A good quality power filter is all you may ever need. A properly designed power supply has all the required design to filter, and stabilize the energy your audio equipment needs. A $500 Power Cable will NOT improve your audio. NO one, in any true, blind test, would ever hear a difference between a $10 Power Cable, and a $500 one. If you say you can, I think you're lying.
They arrive, but often times they arrive with noise on the line, except if you use fiber. If you can't hear the difference, I think you have never tried it.
Thank you for the detailed information and honest listening impressions ! Still people will claim snake oil despite everything you've said. Keep the videos coming!
I understand why some people might think that cables are snake oil, as I used to think the same way. I'm glad that you enjoyed my content, and I'm planning on uploading more soon. As a hint, I'll be reviewing the HiFiMan EF400 and EF600, as well as their HE6se, and creating a video about budget HiFi power cleaning and filtering.
absolute snake oil, people buy these overpriced ethernet cables when the data is coming up el cheapo optical or copper lines from the internet provider and then when its in house it goes up a 30 cent rj45 socket and cable to the modem and you think a good cable from router to decvice makes a difference,, i can stream 4k from the internet and im using a $1.50 ethernet cable
I completely understand your point. I used to think the same way until recently. It's worth noting that every network switch can regenerate and boost the signal. Therefore, any noise or signal quality issues before the switch are not very significant. The most crucial part is the signal that reaches your final device, such as a music streamer.
@@TheAudioStuff It's also worth noting that ethernet cables are balanced and also sending ones and zeroes that needs to be VERY noisy before the signal can't be read, and add to that all the error correction going on, so the risk of the signal not getting through is very quite low. And the thing is that IF it does, you won't hear it at subtle differences in soundstage, tighter bass or whatever, you will hear it as very clear dropouts, weird blips or something thereabouts. A regular ethernet cable does really work just fine and ANY type of audiophile network stuff is pure snake oil. You should look up some of Audiosciencereviews test of power gear, Amir demonstrates how VERY noisy power into a DAC won't effect the performance whatsoever, so thinking one power cable would make any difference at all is just absurd, especially considering how "simple" and random the power cables inside the wall are. So yeah, that power cable is also pure snake oil. And then spending money on RCA cables to get better sound quality is also a waste of money. I have random cheap ones in a snake nest behind my stereo and it works just fine, and IF I'd pick up any noise or ground loops a better RCA probably wouldn't help much, but instead balanced would be the way to go.
I think it's unlikely that the cable is actually altering the packets themselves, as that would not make much sense and the internet likely wouldn't exist if that were the case. Rather, I believe that any differences come from the noise or other interference that gets transmitted alongside the data through the cable. Some digital-to-analog converters (DACs) pass this noise directly through to the output, which undoubtedly will affect the sound quality. I'm a big fan of Amir and regularly watch his videos and read his measurements to gain insight into his perspective. While we may have differing opinions on certain topics, I have a lot of respect for him. In general, it's usually better to use balanced connections if possible, as they help to reject most of the noise and double the voltage.
@@TheAudioStuff You believe or you know? Have you actually heard any audible differences between cables that you've confirmed with objective measurements or ABX tests? Because if you haven't there is no way to trust what you think you might hear since it is a fact that our brains are so easily fooled by so many things, placebos and biases ARE things that WILL affect what we "hear". I've even been fooled a few times myself, it's really a big eye opener once you realize that you think you've heard was wrong.
This is such a dumb argument. Of course, a cable from the router to the device can make a difference. Can a rusty pipe in your house not add rust to your water? The data basically starts over once it hits your router and then retransmits along with any noise.
Your main premise is completely incorrect. If you say you can hear it, there is a machine that can measure it. You don’t have AB testing to show Making your whole assertion invalid. What you hear is done with the most biased machine possible, the human brain. So unless your previous cables were damaged, you won’t hear a difference. This is not opinion it’s fact.
A machine can tell you if there's a difference in measurements between two cables but it can't tell you if the difference sounds good. Only the most biased machine can tell you that. Making his assertions valid and your fact wrong.
@@Error8x8 You thinking that there are differences is an outcome from your biased opinion and marketing. I am so sorry you have been duped, if you want to learn I can tell you. Listening is made with the most biased instrument there is, a pair of ears attached to a brain of a human being. There is no such thing as a biased machine. A machine only measures and reports back, it does not assess. A machine properly calibrated can illustrate differences that even human can't hear. That is an undeniable fact. Another fact, there is no such thing as a "sound" for a piece of wire. I has never been proven scientifically and only when cables are damaged or include gadgets that they could color the sound. However these are purposely made to do that typically with worsening the result. Cables are nothing but a money grab, marketing scheme from brands to extract an irrelevant difference and capture additional money.
@@IsmaelMartinezPR Why are you putting words in my mouth? I didn't say anything sounds better than anything else. Let me dumb it down for you. A machine can tell you if the two cables are physically different but only a human can tell you if one sounds different than the other.
@@Error8x8 that’s what you have wrong, a human can’t tell only if he likes but that is completely biased as the human next to it can think differently. That is why instruments win.
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Digital protocols are designed to secure data , like UDP and TCP one used for streams and ensure data packets arrive in right order and other that packets arrive on time , you cant get a better 0 or 1 if the signal do not work you hear it right away, like CD skipping its working or not working, noting is " trans" in digital world , sorry
While you're correct about the TCP protocol, UDP is best used for live and real-time data transmission when speed is more important than reliability, as it does not ensure that all packets arrive perfectly. The bits indeed can't change in most cases, If you want to understand why there could be a difference, please watch the video from GoldenSound at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Jvu_doQfAI0.html.
Exactly - UDP cannot secure data or suppress noise, while TCP secures data but does not suppress noise. Internet protocols aren't meant to do that and don't have such capability.
