Can Cleevely EV Fix My Corsa-e? "Electric traction system fault" 

True, I’ll need to hibernate a bit after all this. There’s part 2 of this coming up too, and another out and about video planned as well

Kind of have to, finance is over 5 years and I have about 2 left

Running anything modern out of warranty is a risky business. I'm a mechanic / workshop manager with nearly 40 years experience. Modern cars, and I'm taking last 15 years can be so complex and expensive to repair it's going to price some people out of motoring, or you just buy another dirt cheap car when it goes wrong.

I think you’re probably right, hopefully the fine is to eat a vegan chocolate bar or something

They know their stuff, I don’t want to drop a spoiler here but I’d suggest you book in early because they’re really in demand!

RU-vid Cleevley they have mobile mechanic to come to you to service.

My 12V battery was ok, I also tried the disconnect/reconnect thing with no luck

My 12V battery tested ok so hopefully has a couple of years left in it. Or it's an intermittent fault...

Can I ask RougeBullet what faults you had?

​@ALANHUNT-uq7jp Hi. The main issue was that the HV battery wouldn't charge but also the satnav would stop working (freeze).

There's no such concept of auto-updates or over-the-air updates for a Vauxhall. The software we're talking about here are core car components which can only be updated at a garage whilst plugged into specialist equipment. The only updates I could do myself to the car are to the entertainment system and navigation maps which is the same as pretty much any traditional car.

Fair enough. Honestly I think it would make me think twice about a second hand Corsa-e that's out of warranty too. Maybe in a couple of years once the issues are more well known then a Corsa would be a good buy, but right now the oldest Corsa-es are just landing in the used market and they're an unknown quantity. I've got another 2 years of finance left on mine so I don't have much choice but to keep it on the road!

No the car has an 8 year battery warranty but 3 years for everything else

It's lucky yours was in warranty still.

The way the legacy manufacturers design their cars (and I have been chatting to a relative who works for a major manufacturer) means that the various control units (like ECU, etc) are all on a single data network (CAN bus) which is isolated in most cases from the user-updatable components (like the infotainment). So they can offer OTA or downloadable updates for your infotainment and mapping, but you still need specialist equipment to push updates onto the myriad of components on the CAN bus. In order to provide OTA updates to those components, they'd specifically need to include some sort of co-ordination device or bridge that would receive the updates via IP connectivity, and then push that out to the specific component somehow on the CAN bus. That would be very expensive for them to deploy and could cause a lot of support issues too! Tesla have taken a very different approach which is why you can get OTA updates for almost every component in those cars.

@@SpeakToTheGeekTech Sounds familiar. CUPRA Born owner here so even though OTA support is a feature, in reality, for the reasons you state, it's not that straightforward. Legacy automakers have a lot to learn when it comes to software management.

Wow that’s quite a degradation, a lot more than others I know of a similar age. Worst I know of first hand is down to 60% at 8 years and that’s an old Leaf

​@SpeakToTheGeekTech Mine's a 30kwhr leaf. Trouble is all lithium ion batteries degrade with time and use cycles, even modern liquid managed batteries, with modern chemistries. 'Battery Life' channel's ID3 had 10% degradation after only 2 years and obviously his battery had half the use cycles mine had per distance driven, being twice the size of my battery.

Yeah I'd seen it could be related to the AC compressor. Luckily mine wasn't locked in park.

Still ongoing, I'll publish as soon as it's over

Yeah I don’t think this issue is specific to EVs but I also don’t think a regular garage would give it the same level of attention

@SpeakToTheGeekTech I agree. Furthermore, a lot of independent garages simply could not afford to hold the diagnostic equipment/software to troubleshoot these kinds of issues for every single manufacturer. Hence why most will specialise in a specific manufacturer/group so they can invest in all the specialist tooling but still be in business. I wonder if we will see something similar to the rules that came in the mid 90s forcing a standard (OBD-II) connector and interface for ECUs expanded to include all communications and modules with in cars; that would enable smaller indie garages to be more competitive.

There will definitely be updates in a few weeks

I’d seen lots of stories about main dealers taking months to fix this issue so I figured i’d try an independent and then at least the resolution to this fault is known… perhaps the main dealers will see this and learn too.

@@SpeakToTheGeekTech Ah. I can see the reasoning then. Strange that the MD's can't find a quick solution to a problem that is presumably common to all Stellantis group cars. We had a problem with our used '22 plate Kona. 1 week after buying it the charging flap wouldn't open which, as you can imagine, is a major issue on an EV. Got it into a local Hyundai dealer within a few days & it got fixed by the next day under warranty & they washed the car. Since then it's been fine🤞

Glad they sorted it, I guess the loudest voices tend to be the horror stories rather than the quick wins!

Hi Bernard what do you mean by a Webinar with Paris pls?

@@ALANHUNT-uq7jp the firmware is controlled centrally in Paris by stallantis.not the UK. So any software problems are solved in France not the UK.

Hi, thank you for considering joining - the link is in the video description too, or just here: ru-vid.com/show-UC25zb7Sojh4KUv5CsFYH-6Qjoin

Bit of a spoiler here for part 2 which is coming soon, but as your son-in-law has the issue I feel I should mention this now! Take it to Vauxhall, they have a 'special fund' or something for fixing this error. Mine isn't fixed yet, going back and forth hence why part 2 hasn't been published! My guess is they'll be recalling the car soon...

Haha yeah being able to drive 50% faster was the main appeal :)

Spoiler alert, software error.

Just the batteries I think but I will go and dig the paperwork out tomorrow and double check

I've just had a quick look and standard warranty is 3 years with what appears to be battery only for 8. I thought most cover the drive train inc the battery but I'm clearly wrong. As a quick comparison mg have the 7 year warranty which apparently you'd hope would cover all major components and Tesla cover the battery and drive unit for 8. Personally I'd be looking for something which covers the whole power\dfive train. This would make a good video in itself in comparing manufacturers warranties. Won't be buying a stellantis car if they just cover the battery.

This is Kia's warranty which seems quite comprehensive although they do state batteries will last upwards of 10 years or 100k miles erk! .....For electric cars, our 7-year warranty covers the: • Electric Motor • Gear Drive Unit (GDU) • Battery Pack (for repairs/replacements needed to return the capacity to at least 70%) • Electric Power Control Unit (EPCU) • On-Board Charger (OBC)

Ha maybe yeah, seems a bit excessive for the three times I’ve had to do that recently though! I have wanted one of those since I saw them on BBC W1A

The price I paid was way below the headline retail price so I suspect most Corsas were also the same. The used prices are really reflective of those initial low new prices so are reasonable in my opinion, if a little annoyingly low for the value my car holds!

I'll go double-check the paperwork. But does an issue on the CAN bus count as drive train? I've have thought the drive train was the mechanical components.

Very inconvenient! I'm not 100% electric yet, I'll openly admit that - I still have a diesel too. I reckon 3 more years at the current progress and I'll be confident enough to fully commit!

@@SpeakToTheGeekTech I don't feel so guilty now that I know you have diesel. I drive a petrol. Cheers. 😆

Soon! Part 2 isn’t scheduled yet but it will be published in a few weeks

Yup, Matt Cleevely was interviewed by Quentin Wilson on the podcast

I think you perhaps have the wrong channel…

@@SpeakToTheGeekTech PMSL i am right tho

​@alundavies5171 you are right. My EV has battery degradation of 33 % after 8 years and only 40k miles. Never again !

@@stevezodiac491mark 1 Nissan Leaf?

You are so funny. In 50 years of owning cars our 2 EVs are the most relaxing and reliable we have had .