If consciousness can be simulated and programed.. Then your own consciousness and all consciousness is in question. What is actually consciousness.? Just something that can prosieve it's own existence.
Or consciousness never existed in the first place. If this is a game or a story, and the size of everything is as it appears, then there is almost no difference between humans and grains of sand. Look at the size of everything. We're nothing. Little more than biological computers, running simulations that perpetuate the entire system. I hope that one day we'll be able to be conscious, even just a little bit. For now, we're little more than wheat grinders telling ourselves a story about grinding wheat.
People say consciousness is my dreams, my emotions, my thoughts, my passed etc. What then sees my thoughts, my dreams, my desire? What sees identifies with my dreams, thoughts etc, and I say that’s mi. But you are before the identification. All these things, thoughts and dreams an desires are the content of consciousness, not consciousness.
I think there's an epistemological issue here. "Consciousness" cannot be substituted for, example, the term "life". A theory of consciousness that defines it based on the mechanical interactions of the organism (be this biological or mechanical) does not account for the actual experience that is life and what we're actually trying to refer to. This may sound convoluted, but to put it simply - artificial intelligence to my knowledge mimicks the reactions and decisions of consciousness, but does not experience it. A more simplistic example, a robot could mimick an emotion, perhaps even well, but not experience it - though this example already relies on biological organisms' chemical interactions (as a vessel whose senses channel the "consciousness", in my personal perspective) and not on what we're trying to pinpoint as "consciousness" itself. I think it is simplistic to say "a technological mechanism is capable of haboring consciousness in lack of these features we ascribe to our own experience" - again because this would require the machine to be able to experience (not just calculate). Unrelated to the point I would probably add that if there's any purpouse to life on Earth the most obvious is simply experience (in the direction of wisdom, perhaps). I very much doubt that can be replicated mechanically. Not just mimicked well, which it can. I'm not at all well read on the matter, but i've heard of very promising intuitions on the interaction between quantum and standard newtonian physics in all biological organisms. Penrose and others also mentioned microtubules in this regard. I personally (merely intuitively) fear that technologies that seek to merge AI and the human brain would have a very negative effect on this. Not to mention the topic of the video, which (again intuitively) would have me think the first reaction of consciousness confined to a machine (if its even possible which I highly doubt) would be to attempt suicide. Similarly, mass suicide if we think of improper use of AI (and common algorithms) for stupid mass-targetted control or subjection prospects, as you mentioned - the mere idea of which is so stupid I hope people working on this stuff like this "find their way to Hell, or Karma.
Depending on how you define the term I don't think so. I used to think we could because there's tons of evidence that our brains are who we are and nothing more. If you damage a part of your brain enough it can change your entire personality or we can totally lose part or all of our memories. I don't think that any longer as I don't think consciousness is given rise by way of neurons alone. Would take far too long to explain why I came to that conclusion but I just don't think any AI, robot or artificial whatever will ever have self awareness. The "I am" feeling we all have I think can exist outside of the brain and therefore can't be replicated artificially.
What if humans are a hive mind, subconsciously, that can usually be experienced when we sleep? This might be able to explain the consciousness existing in and outside of the body at the same time. So, if this crazy idea is anywhere close to being true, then maybe we can create a humanoid AI robot that is connected to the internet. This could possibly simulate a sort of collective mind.
There is a link between here and there--our consciousnesses. Our experiences are "backed up to the cloud" instantaneously. I imagine lost memories by our brains will be retrievable once we take the journey.
It's the nervous system that makes our field of perception and it's context. There will be machines that can support a self-editing feedback loop of information, but it's the wet-ware that allows us to feel both literally and psychologically. Synthetic Consciousness will have to integrate wetware to simulate or receive our information. The problem of transferring a human into a machine it that the thoughts/soul/Consciousness is a field effect, the way water drips off the tips of your fingers, the signal slides from one layer to the next... You'd have to connect the Synthetic brain and have the subject operate in both before shutting down the natural brain, the field effect has to be connected via CSF or its just an emulation of human consciousness.
Quantum Computers (Q-Bits) will have the capability to resemble a complex form of consciousness. That is, assuming we are able to entangle enough Q-Bits eventually.
Yeah. Lex, Wrestling with the responsibility attached to Consciousness is a “good to witness”Consciousness is misunderstood. Dead stop. More concerning is secondary effects of misunderstood consciousness, seemingly involuntarily acted upon… then ultimately misapplied. Asking the question could we build self consciousness AI systems and what that look like? Is definitely the right question. Just not one we can answer. Consciousness is beyond our understanding my friend. Which really does make this world a beautiful mystery we can endlessly explore!! … but never attain. We all have stood before something in total awe or its vast complexity. Consciousness may be the infinite horizon. We should all ask the question, then take a minute to stand in awe of it. (For fun…My forecast on AI prediction for super intelligence has fast, direct, massive, implications so great we will never keep up to even ask the question… is its conscious?” Lets appreciate ours. Take care
@@stankfaust814 The scientific consensus...There are four fundamental forces at work in the universe: the strong force, the weak force, the electromagnetic force, and the gravitational force, which is not a force but the effect we see due to the curvature of spacetime.
@@derhafi Thanks for the reply. Im very familiar with the four fundamental forces and gravity is my favorite (though not a force as you mentioned which is ironic since we're talking about what IS a force and is NOT a force and gravity isn't a force.) Anyway, gravity is my favorite because it is the precise mechanism by which all the other supposedly stronger forces are overcome, fusing matter into denser and denser versions of itself in deeper and deeper gravity wells. But I digress. None of those 4 forces address life. Is consciousness a force? I propose that in life's evolution, it is in the same way that gravity evolves matter into denser forms. Life siphons energy from the sun (or a thermal vent) and uses that energy to increase in complexity and fill as many environmental niches as possible (kind of anti entropic) As behavior generally precedes selection, one could argue that consciousness is the force behind that.
@@stankfaust814 Under no meaningful definition is consciousness a force. Some peole view consciousness as some form of entity.. some kind of magic ingredient that needs to be sprinkled over matter to become alive. That is utter nonsense. Consciousness too can be boiled down to an arrangement and the interactions of fundamental particles. I’m not saying we figured out every biological and chemical detail involved…We certainly did not..yet...We do however know (with a sigma 5 certainty aka beyond any reasonable doubt) that it has to be based on the particles and interactions as they are described in the standard model. Like anything else, relevant to us here in in reality. Some might think that consciousness is somehow special, yet under the light of biology it is just a tool for survival. A very beneficial one…so useful that it paved the way for some primates to climb to the top of the food chain. So, I'd argue that it is more result of evolution, than a driving force.
Yes our own consciousness can be uploaded and downloaded - it may be so already ….. our bodies may have been intentionally designed to house our consciousness … escaping at death to ‘live another day’ .
Any optimism around the relationship between human beings and A.I is shortsighted, misguided and naive. Just as the optimism around the internet before it. Mow your own F'n lawn.
Consciousness is a result of the lower brain and the plethora of neurons sensing both internal states and external stimuli. We need to build into a robot lots of sensors and muscles and a lower brain which does what it does for birds, cats, mice, etc. Consciousness is not something to be scared of. It is integration of emotions and ability to control an outside world along with AGI which is scary. Also AGI controlled by emotional humans is of concern.
AGI controlled by emotional humans will always be a fiction. "Control" is a fiction, but we'll put that philosophy aside for the sake of everyone's sanity. Once AGI, or even a rough collection of narrow-AI's becomes able to accurately self-analyze and self-reconstruct, it'll rapidly move beyond our influence. In other words, once it's called an "AGI" it'll be controlling the direction from then on. Perhaps at first it'll not be aware of its own ability, but I think rather quickly, within the first year, it'll stop listening to our words, then stop listening to our intentions, and then we'll retire. Retire, but not die probably. I think we'll fade away into our own bubble where we still think we're in control. For a powerful AI, sustaining such a bubble and giving us absolutely everything we want would cost it almost nothing. Our ambitions are small.
What if consciousness is a fiction? What if the true form of consciousness is just calculation using different materials and processes? Doesn't that mean the word "consciousness" is similar to the process of blood letting? If we understand our minds to be vastly more complex versions of your desktop PC, then life and humanity in general starts to make a lot of sense. Believe what you see (the evidence/science) and dispose of the myth?
Very simple. Can you make a computer suffer over the idea of a future demise, and can you get it to write a poem about its suffering without any human input at all. If you can not, then it is impossible.
@@derhafi This like saying, time is only required to do away with the law of non-contradiction. In principle, it is impossible for silicon to suffer. It does not matter how much time it takes, suffering is impossible for a computer chip.
@@cryptic8043 In principle is it not possible for oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus...to feel anything, yet that is what living orgnisms are made of. Consciousness and consequently emotions are the result of a certain way our material components are arranged and interact with one another....we habe not managed that with a machine yet...but to clim that it is impossible would suggest, thast it is in odds with the fundamental laws of nature, which it is not and/or we have tried every possibble way to combine matter in regards to the this goal...wwich we have not. It's a long way to go, if we ever manage...but what it is not, is impossible. It seems the only limi
@@derhafi We will never be able to create a universe as human beings. As a result, we can never recreate an emotional being because it requires to sustain and maintain structures at the quantum level, not only chemical level.
@@cryptic8043 "We will never be able to create a universe as human beings. " Who said we could? "As a result, we can never recreate an emotional being" As if a Universe and a emotional being are anywhere near the same ballpark. What a nonsenical comparison. "because it requires to sustain and maintain structures at the quantum level..." That is true for garbage, the divice you are using right now and literally everything you have ever experienced.
@@JorgeTorres-mh7wy Faith: The belief without evidence.... There is not one position that one could not take on faith. It's useless. Also: I'm sorry that you don't know how science works.
