Can electricians LEGALLY pull a DNO Fuse? - Electricians Podcast

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Can electricians legally pull a DNO Fuse? - Electricians Podcast
This week’s guest is David Savery
Electricians Monday club podcast is for electricians, apprentices and anyone associated with the electrical trade, every week we record a podcast to talk about important subjects that’s electricians care about! But along the way you will find crazy stories lots of banter and hopefully come out the other side informed but amused….
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Davo Savo is one of the first electrical youtubers and quite possible the most controversial! never short on an opinion and basically a comedy genius… he is way to humble about his book smarts when it come to regs BS7671. He also runs a very successful electrical business with his life partner Nigel. David often mentors Nick Bundy they also attend a life drawing class together
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A industrial and commercial electrician who worked in London on every major project for the last 10 years, expert in industrial relations between agency electricians and tier 1 contractors. Still on the tools managing projects for the NHS and private hospitals
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The peoples electrical youtuber! with over 60,000 subscribers and 10 million views! Nick is a domestic electrician who started hes own business at the young age of 17!!!! He has built a successful domestic business and employs the world’s most fortunate electrical apprentice (Adam Dunlop: / @adamdunlopelectrical )
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@g0fvt 2 года назад

Something scandalous and likely illegal, as a radio engineer I used to maintain gear on strange remote sites, at one the DNO fuse was left next to the meter with a note. The site was literally at the top of a mountain, "you guys know what you are doing, put the fuse in yourselves, I am not coming back up here just to put the fuse in".

@Lewdacris916 9 месяцев назад

lol

@PaulMorris-UK 2 года назад

I would love David Savery to come and do a job for me, obviously because he clearly knows his job, but mostly as he swears as much as I do 😄

@andyclark1426 2 года назад

I really don’t get why people try to bash others for helping and promoting the industry! Everyone will have different opinions and be friends with different people that’s life but trying to cause disharmony is bang out of order! Mark has done outstanding work for apprentices/trainees and also us who are qualified, Mark is genuine person who cares, look at A121, the time and efforts that alone is phenomenal. One the cable head fuse subject, the DNO’s do a course G39 for working on unmetered supplies to street furniture, that course covers pulling the fuse, why they cannot get one for domestic single phase supplies baffles me

@ELECTRICIANSPODCAST 2 года назад

We agree

@michaelhumphrey3982 Год назад

Surely by now, it should be in the regulations that the supplier should fit a 100A isolator. It would make the job so much safer for the electrician and it removes the worry the supplier has of someone bypassing the meter.

@cbcdesign001 Год назад

Yes of course it should. The people writing the regs seem to push things they think improve safety, some of which are questionable in terms of cost versus the actual difference it will make to real word safety, but a basic means of safely isolating the supply between the head and the fuse board is not mandated. The only obvious answer is that the Dnos don't want it, because they can make money from maintaining the status quo.

@johnburns4017 11 месяцев назад

Gas and water suppliers supply a user accessible isolator to disengage the supply to premises. The home resident can use this user accessible isolator at any time. With electricity they may or may not provide a user accessible and operated isolator. However the electricity supplier does provide a method of isolation. It is more involved entailing pulling a fuse from its housing, but isolation it is. If the premises need isolating this is the only method. If the supplier disapproves of this method of isolation, they can always provide another.

@ms.electrical 2 года назад

If they don't want us to pull the fuse during the major smart meter upgrade they should have fit isolators... I have had them come out recently they didn't say a lot just checking what was going on because it showed a outage on the system 🕵️‍♂️

@anthonybragg 2 года назад

Another sound one guys, since I was an apprentice in the 80s electricians have been pulling the cut-out fuse to change boards. There was talk of an incorporated self-connection isolator on the smart meters but that got muted by the meter providers. If Nick's got a consumer unit upgrade the providers are not going to rock up in the morning when he gets there he has to wait for them same when he has completed they will come in their own time. As for Mark Allison, it is well understated or known about what he has done with Apprentice 121 I can't see how anyone can have any beef with him for going on other podcasts.

@Marri-Tech 11 месяцев назад

Winning work to keep your business going as well as keeping yourself safe at work is worth the argument with the dno if they ever turn up

@bikerchrisukk 2 года назад

South East example, asked energy supplier for Isolator install - 4 months later they told me it'll be £130. Couldn't be bothered with them, so paid Spark £160 to supply and fit, bit over odds, but it's done now. Great podcast/video thingy guys 👍

@warrenhawthorne1496 2 года назад

If you're with one of the CPS schemes then SSE (Scottish and Southern) will give you a book of seals an a form to fill in that you then return to them when its full. They then send an engineer out to reseal the fuses (apparently).

@louiseeustace422 2 года назад

Hi guys. I am not a sparky but have had electricians as friends for 50 years. Down here in Oxfordshire we are now Scottish and Southern, but used to be Southern Electric Board. In the days of SEB, electricians always had a bundle of official seals to replace any they had cut. 10 years ago when our puny overhead supply was replaced with a new underground 3 phase feed we left an isolator on the board with tails for the DNO to connect to the new meter. Keep up the great work with the videos and discussion groups, I am working my way through amendment 2, masochism or amusement ? not sure.

@haldo691 2 года назад

I work for a DNO and I've never known anyone get into trouble over pulling a fuse but how many viewers have the correct PPE to pull fuses there's some cuttouts on the network that I wouldn't want somone touching unless they were doing it everyday some contain asbestos how do you know the fuse hasn't overheated and won't fall apart when you try to remove it there's some that if they have been overheated and get damp the fibre resin they are made out of can become conductive .All this being said I agree there should be a training course you can attend and authorisation to pull fuses of a certain type because most old cuttouts should be changed anyway

@tomengineer1467 2 года назад

We pull all the time ….. as stated safe isolation Also all your customers should claim there fine back as it has nothing at all to do with them 5 or 6 years ago one of my customers was on the ball on who can cut and pull the fuse so arranged a day when the dno operator was to call …… British Gas engineer came ….. yes British Gas has a electrical devision ….. but talking with the guy he was gas devision sent as no sparks available not an electrical pulled fuse yet sparks are not Now yes people pull fuses but my beef is sparks don’t reseal ….we do Here is how we had pulled for 30 years and never had a problem Go to your local fishing tackle shop and ask for steal wire crimp kit £15 gives you 1000 reseals wire …steal crimp …. And crimp tool And you can’t tell the difference with a dno seal. It is exactly the same

@fatsamelectrical 2 года назад

I think there will need to be a part 2 at some point

@davidking2528 2 года назад

I think the biggest issue is tracing who pulled that fuse. All meter fitters and the DNO get sealing pliers that are tracked to thar company and engineer. If they are stolen they have to be reported to the police. It would be very difficult to issue and track thousands of sealing plier numbers plus make sure that no one is doing dodgy things with them like bypassing the meter. It’s crap really. But I agree with you guys there has to be a better way.

@darrenqualters2341 2 года назад

You should have got Chris from CJR to join in on this one, he could have discussed how much he pays Pablo to come and do it ! 🤣

@mainlineelectronics5266 2 года назад

I would rather hear from Electricians to be honest.

@Lewdacris916 10 месяцев назад

@@mainlineelectronics5266lol damn

@merlin5476 2 года назад

As for removing the old csu & sticking a bit of twin & earth into the 100A fuse, I've done twice recently where 1 customer had an oxygen machine / mask that couldn't be unplugged for too long & another that insisted that his wife HAD to use the router as she works from home. I know that a bit of 2.5 is not rated at 100A but this is where experience & having a steady hand ( & brain) come into play.

@alandavey1822 2 года назад

Avro energy fitted an isolator for £60, was about a year ago Great podcast as usual.

@montystelevision3238 2 года назад

Thank you. I really like the Monday Club and looking forward to this debate.

@electrician247 2 года назад

An excellent discussion guys, really really enjoyed the chat. We usually get the home owner to arrange an isolator be fitted. But your right it's a cluster feck that needs sorting. Ref Nick and Adam coming to work with us. This was the awesome idea of Mr John Bagley. I am a mere middle man ☺️

@AndyK.1 2 года назад

Matts not gonna get a lot done 😂

@mielerodriguez5678 2 года назад

As safety trumps everything. Id say yes.

@raychambers3646 2 года назад

Totally agree with you on that , one of the places I lived at had no seals on the meter or head meter reader took no notice for years !

@haldo691 2 года назад

So pulling a fuse that you are not trained to pull or have suitable training to asses it's condition is safe? The safest thing you can do is get an isolator fitted

@sockitz.splatez 2 года назад

Great show , when we rewired properties in Yorkshire, YE had a big roll out of installing the DP switches prior to the rewired being carried out so we could isolate the incoming supply. sounds like no other DNO has done this . If a property had no switch and we reported it they would install one in 5 days prior to our work .

@electrician247 2 года назад

Yep we are lucky in the YEDL/Northern Powergrid area. They are usually pretty responsive even today with fuse pulls and isolators. Well in my experience anyway.

@danielarhire1770 2 года назад

Kudos to Dave for the background screen saver.

@craigbuist4636 2 года назад

Thankyou for the mention this week even though it was under such circumstances

@ELECTRICIANSPODCAST 2 года назад

You sir have a open invitation a

@jdsenergyservices 2 года назад

You can pull the cut out fuse if your a registered electrician. I worked for a DNO for 18 years and there is a process to follow.

@johnburns4017 11 месяцев назад

The laws say you must be *competent* to work on electricity. You do not need to be registered with anyone to work on electricity. So a DNO is discriminating against people legally working on electricity. They may find a court of law will go against them.

@emilgemc8913 10 месяцев назад

NICIEC 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😊NAPIT 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣ELEXEA DNO 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣what joke

@williammartinculleton5875 2 года назад

Everyone will be horrified by this, I’m from heavy industrial background, Later worked as a Building Services Engineer. Some 40 years ago ( I’ll be 83 in May) I attended a animal byproducts factory ( Bone Works ) It had lost a phase and production stopped. I checked the mains incomer and found the blue phase incoming supply had the solder run out of the lug. Nowhere to isolate it. I got a rubber mat, a petrol blow lamp (Sievert I still have it ) and a stick of solder. I unbolted the lug out it on the live incoming conductor and actually soldered the lug back on & re terminated it. Production resumed . The factory was in Manchester, Red Bank opposite Strangeways Prison

@ELECTRICIANSPODCAST 2 года назад

Whaaaaaat legend

@rouman7 2 года назад

Years ago it was the LEB. And as long as you phoned them to let them know …it was fine. The last time I pulled one up north the police called. ( yea) the young lad was on a tag. They thought he had done a runner ..

@toolboxtalking Год назад

I was told by western power in the midlands I can’t remove the main fuse - but they won’t do anything about if if you do 😂

@bramcoteelectrical1088 6 месяцев назад

Had 😂a western power engineer see main cutout fuse was out.. Said I be 10min having cuppa I didn't see that😂 Put fuseback in when you done doing fuseboard change and I be back in..😂

@effervescence5664 2 года назад

I had a 3 phase supply that I got the DNO to pull one time as the main switch fuse was burnt out. The two lads that turned up just said "have you got flash gear (yes) - then pull the fuses, and just reseal it after", even when it was on a 3 phase smart meter. Now UKPN won't fit DP's - has taken ones out that we've already fitted in preparation for CU changes and as a company will fine people - but their engineers often won't bother noting it down and in many cases will actually hand seals to reseal the head because they know you have to work to the EAWR. As such I will continue to pull the fuse, on occasion I might disconnect from the meter and leave it live - dependant on what meter is fitted dumb/smart. That's within my comfort zone and I'm a few years older than Nick but back when I was taught to change the old Metal re-wireable CU's It was quite common to put a rubber sock over the end of the tails and pull them live. So the tools and methods we now use to make sure we're working safely are much preferable.

@davidfaraday7963 2 года назад

Are you saying that UKPN don't allow isolator switches? That seems bizarre.

@Gr33nMamba 2 года назад

What annoys me more is when the smart meter rollout was happening, it was the perfect opportunity to put an isolator in when it was installed. I asked my person on the day of install to put on one in, he never did! Now I have to pay Western Power how much to fit one? I'd rather just keep the old board if it's going to cost me this much. No one should be fined, bashed, whatever for taking safe and sensible measures to isolate what they are working on.

@owenjones2263 Год назад

Fun one for you: busbar comes from bus in electrical engineering, and it's a shortened form of omnibus, so it should be buss not buzz.

@ELECTRICIANSPODCAST Год назад

Omnibus bar 😂😂😂

@seandempsey7351 2 года назад

My understanding is that if the seals are the old led type with a three digit number on one side and a crown on the other side the are classed as Government seals and it is a criminal offence to remove them, but if they are the new aluminium type with out the crown stamped on them then you can ? As they are not classed as government seals. Also they are readily available from RS comments and even fishing tackle shops . How true that is i’am not sure. Fantastic show guy’s as always 👍👍👍👍❤️

@merlin5476 2 года назад

Many yrs ago i used to ring the eeb & asked them to remove the main cut out but normally spent soo long on the phone ( sometimes half a day) that nowadays i either pull it my self or if its a smart meter i just remove the tails coming out of said smartmeter.

@stgr3577 2 года назад

As a sparky in the 70tees and 80tees on rewiring multiple council properties we had to strip back the old tails live and strip back the new tails and twist them together then tape them up ready for the at the time the neeb the local electric authority to turn up weeks later to install the new ones into the meter we did hundreds mad days ☹👍

@jonathanrose456 2 года назад

The bits starting to sag & tangle in your old age Dave? 😂

@craigbrewer2879 9 месяцев назад

A DNO in east London told me I could turn a TNS into a TNCS earthing arrangement because my Ze was non compliant.

@sm1thers 10 месяцев назад

Why they havent fitted isolators when fitting smart meters i have no idea. I bought an isolator and got the meter guy to fit it whilst he was there (he managed to fit it the wrong way round but its there).

@jonathanrose456 2 года назад

I thought you couldn’t include deviations in the regs on new installation work, just on the existing

@McMonkeyful 9 месяцев назад

I may or may not have worked for Western Power (now National Grid) for the past 20 years & totally agree it's a mess. As far as I can see, each DNO interperets the guidelines differently. Technically, it's correct that only the DNO, supplier's MOP or a small amount of approved electrical firms can pull the fuse. That doesn't mean it makes sense. There is a safety element but that could be addressed with a training course & certification. There is also an element of the DNO making some easy money from monopolizing the work. I think the reason the issue never gets resolved is the size of the DNOs. Nobody takes responsibility for dealing with such issues. The frontline staff have to deal with it year after year but management aren't affected, so nothing gets done.

@hayleyanne3516 2 года назад

southern a elec longs if you are registed with napit niceic or eca you can get 5 tempery seals from them and you just havre keep a log

@asp217 Год назад

I enquired to WPD to do the isolation course at their training facility in Taunton. A manager said "You can do the course but we will not allow you to become a registered fuse puller as we would have to issue you with a personalised set of sealing pliers. We already have too many authorised people doing this right now". This is how I would perform a safe isolation of the supply in order to replace a DB. Remove all loads and remove supply fuse, wait for all LEDs on the smart meter to extinguish (can take 5 minutes). Remove kWh meter terminal access plate and remove consumer tails, then refit access plate and reinstate supply fuse. Replace DB and then carry out the procedure again to get the tails reconnected. Check supply fuse is suitable rated for the tails and that both screws are torqued up. Print off a label with the fuse rating and place on the cut-out. Re-seal the supply fuse & kWh meter (seals available on eBay). This method means that the smart meter is energised whilst you are replacing the DB and the electric police won't be alerted. If you care to alert WPD that there is a 100A supply fuse but the tails are sized at 16mm2 then you can simply state that there is a printed label on the cut-out and they should investigate, or an purchase an 80A fuse from CEF and do it yourself.

@haldo691 2 года назад

I don't know why haste arnt allowed to fit isolators anymore I work for a DNO and haste work for us if we need to make alterations to anything after the meter and they are authorised to pull fuses to allow them to work safely

@yrification 2 года назад

I cant understand not being able to do it really. As long as you’re competent. Considering I come from an industrial background and have worked on 200-400A busbar chambers, including isolating 1500A electric ovens. Personally I cant see the problem.

@davidjones6779 2 года назад

Just watched this great episode. Missing Nick from the Mondays Podcast.

@kiphakes 2 года назад

Sam - great reading.. sorry KNOWLEDGE about the fuse pulling rules..

@stewartthorpe7159 11 месяцев назад

Remove the fuse if everything is ok ,no problem !! Welded in fuse due to loose contacts or bitumen bubbling up is a different situation ,can you pull it or does it brake leaving exposed conductors,difficult call . Who then is liable for time customer off supply while the problem is corrected and at who's cost ??

@paulmac8016 2 года назад

Best truthful response : Emergency switching / safety reasons. ?

@robinhadley 2 года назад

Scottish Power is £150 to fit an isolator. But if I get a smart meter from my provider it's free.

@ADF-js9vi 2 года назад

Well said David, it's the staff (and branch manager) not CEF the company. 🤨

@jayc1140 2 года назад

I fit smart meters for one of the big firms. We’re only told to fit isolators where necessary, as in customer has an old consumer unit and probably will be having it changed, undersized tails 16mm on 100A fuse or VIR etc. If there’s a 100A fuse with 25mm tails from the cutout to meter and onto the consumer unit too most engineers won’t fit one. Don’t know any engineers that remove isolators either, odd

@alunroberts1439 2 года назад

My thorts on this is I would argue that it is illegal not to provide safe isolation after the meter or even before it. What if the meter started to smoke. I have cut tails close to the CU and installed henley blocks. The from there to the CU as every think after the meter they say is up to the home owner if there is a fault. So I see it they say it is your responsibility. So as you say a smart meter should have the ability to isolate the power. Such as there is for incoming gas and water. Why not power or just let the smart meter if you on a cash top up run out then it is off do the work and top up but that would just be stupid.

@sarlhallmarkelectricite4370 2 года назад

Electric installs in France have a 500mA RCBO style breaker set to either 15/30/45/60A. (Single phase installations) When we work on the install we can always be safe in the knowledge that we can isolate and if the DNO’s breaker trips out, the consumer can reset it themselves. We don’t have to ring up Deano or Pablo beforehand and arrange 2 mutually convenient appointments to first isolate and then restore. Your DNO’s could have taken the opportunity as Dave has said in the past to install isolators at the same time, but they didn’t. They can of course isolate them remotely, but is anyone going to rely on an electromagnetic relay for which the engineer has no mechanical way of making sure the contacts are not accidentally reenergised? Isolation course is the best mid way ground I think for you guys vs the DNO, fitting an isolator each time with the hope that in years to come, they are rolled out in the majority of installations.

@kittsdiy 2 года назад

In Belgium the meterbox has a standard MCB of 40A ( mono phase ) or 25A ( 4pole ) . So we can turn it of whenever we need to . It also trips ofcourse when pulling to much current or making a shor . In verry old installation you sometimes see meltfuses in a sealed meterbox . Don't get why stil 100A melfuses are used and you can not disconnect yourself to work on the installation safely...

@jasonbrown476 2 года назад

Show me an electrician that has never pulled that fuse in their life and I'll show you a liar. We've all done it. There really is no procedure. Some DNO operators will tell you to pull it, some will tell you that they will fine you if you so much as look at the fuse the wrong way. There is no evidence that you have touched the fuse, especially if you fit an isolator. Just blame that on another electrician. I've never been in trouble for it since I pulled my first fuse in 2000. I've never even been questioned. Smart meters are making it harder for electricians to get away with working safely and isolating the supply. Here's an idea to get around that. Pull the fuse, very quickly fit an isolator between the head and the meter and then replace the fuse. When someone comes to investigate, just blame the fuse and isolator on the previous contractor.

@JayTheSparky 2 года назад

I remember seeing that Watchdog where the fella “Blessed Electrical” I believe wired the light right off the meter! 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣

@ELECTRICIANSPODCAST 2 года назад

Living on the edge lol

@JayTheSparky 2 года назад

@@ELECTRICIANSPODCAST Ha-Ha proper 🤣 I’m going to shock you, the work was rough as fuck too 🤣

@imark7777777 10 месяцев назад

OK I have to chime in on the bus bar buzz bar. It's a bus that's also a bar kind of like a bus route or would that be route. but I also love that you called it a buzz bar out there and I think both are acceptable. In the states it's a busbar although our panels it's usually built-in and the breakers plug on in various matters.

@gino2465 2 года назад

As I was told its your electricity supplier not the dno who would come out to fit a isolator. The dno will not come out to fit an isolator that's sp energy

@jonathanrose456 2 года назад

Don’t Tradify have the option to quote & pay deposit on acceptance?

@redwood1957 9 месяцев назад

We havd same issues in the states.customer is responsibility is to the point the utilities wires connect to the customers. Overhead at weather head or if underground customer has to supply wire to 2ndary side of trans former. The meter is owned by the utility. Prior to smart meters electrician did disconnect and reconnect on all over head services We were never allowed in the underground or padmount transformers. Different utilities and different authority have different rules. Now with solar metered its more of a mess. In the end the utility and the authorities could care less about the customer need for power. They cry its safety reasons. Simple answer is give the autority for repairs to licensed contractors thank you

@sennabus3356 2 года назад

Sam should have told them to keep the 100m of cable they’d reeled off and just take the 100m left on the drum 😎

@gavinjohn-hyde2760 2 года назад

@dses WPD will charge an hours call out to remove the fuse, you then fit own isolator for less than £80. they will sit in van for the time it takes

@simonmaverick9201 9 месяцев назад

On the condition that you are a qualified and registered electrician AND that you reseal it after your work is complete - pull it. There is an overriding reason for safe isolation.

@davideyres955 2 года назад

So we’ve paid for smart meters through the costs being passed on via the bill which has save the electricity companies £££ as they legally had to replace the meters every x years, why the f… don’t they fit isolators at the same damn time. To be fair the chap fitting the smart meters for my mum and dad put one in which was nice of him.

@protectiongeek 2 года назад

Retired DNO engineer here. You don't have a **right** to effect isolation by operating on the DNO network but, depending on the work in hand, you may have an **obligation** to do so. That obligation in itself does not confer a right to operate the DNOs equipment. The cable head is part of the DNO LV network and operation of it (including removal/insertion of fuses) requires an operational authorisation in writing after assessment of competency, whether you like it or not. Why do the DNO insist on this? Because they have a duty of care to ensure any person that operates on THEIR network is competent to do so. Not rocket science. I completely understand the frustration of electricians trying to get on with their work while DNOs are really not staffed sufficiently to respond in good time to isolation requests. The market set-up in the UK also complicates matters in so far isolation requests should, strictly speaking, be made to the electricity supplier, which, of course, may be a completely different organisation to the DNO - more confusion and more delay. You've already mentioned the solution, of course - complete a basic authorisation course to demonstrate the necessary competence to risk assess the switching operation (assess the state of the apparatus and any environmental influences, etc) and complete the operation. Basically the same authorisation as a meter fixer, nothing more, nothing less. Yes, it will cost you money to get the authorisation and yes, some electricians will decide that they can ignore this and pull/replace the fuse regardless. They are taking a chance I suppose. If they are prepared to take that short cut, where else are they taking short cuts? It would make sense for DNOs (probably through the Energy Networks Association) to liaise with accreditation bodies such as IET, NICIEC, SELECT, etc to develop a universally accepted accreditation that electricians can receive to operate the fuses at the DNO/Customer interface.

@frankjaeger393 2 года назад

This country is so ridiculous, I'm all for health and safety but in this case its gone mad.

@SHADOWDAEMON666 2 года назад

But a meter monkey after a 6 week course can do it?

@protectiongeek 2 года назад

@@SHADOWDAEMON666 I don't see why you need to refer to a meter fixer as a 'meter monkey'. I'm certain I could competently wire a house and test it to the requirements of BS7671 with much less than a 6 week course but I don't feel the need to denigrate the role of electricians. Meter fixers have a specific role and receive the training and support they need to fulfil that role. Presumably, the 6 week course you refer to is 'ab initio' for people with no electrical experience. As long as they satisfy the requirements (in the UK) of the Electricity at Work Regulations and work according to a safe system of work that satisfies the general duties obligations of the Health and Safety at Work etc Act, then they should be able to do a good job and do it safely. As I've pointed out, the cablehead is part of the DNOs LV network. The DNO - mindful of their legal obligations and duty of care - chooses to issue an operational authorisation, in writing, to those persons deemed competent to do so. If a DNO decides that an electrician IS competent to do that work without specific training and assessment or written authorisation, then they can carry on. Thing is, though, if that electrician is then subsequently injured in an accident involving work on the cablehead that is investigated by the HSE, the responsible manager (usually Operations Manager/Director level) in the DNO might just find themselves charged with a criminal offence for not fulfilling their obligations under EaWR and/or HaSaWA, hence the authorisation process. It shouldn't be difficult for industry bodies to devise a scheme that allows electricians to add a specific qualification (yet another ECS card?) to their CV that demonstrates the necessary competency to operate the fuses at the cablehead. Ideally, it would be universal and not DNO-specific and would be assessed and refreshed periodically in a manner agreed by DNOs and electrical industry organisations.

@RichardArblaster 2 года назад

Great episode 😎

@stephencunningham8850 9 месяцев назад

Just let the smart meter run out of credit and cut the tail the credit it again i do it all the time after speaking to the customer and tell them the suppliers price range for what a 29 pound isolator

@seandempsey7351 2 года назад

Sam Robin industry’s were based in harrow they rebranded as Robin electronics and relocated to Watford , they rebranded again in early 2000 as kewtech industry and relocated to Chesham . If you look at the Robin KTS 1620 MFT and the Kewtech Kt62 you will see they are one and the same except Robin are yellow the kewtech is grey. The replacement for the kt62 is the KT 63 . Robin are great testers and are still compliant. I have both. I have this directly from NAPIT Vulcanworks is an inspector only he only has 2391-52 inspection and testing qualification, nothing more If you watch any of his videos you will see the quality of his work is questionable at best he has only been in the industry since 2019 . In one of his videos at a vicarage he has installed an outside light directly under the boiler flue and another one under the front porch directly in front of the CCTV camera so now when that light is on it will blind the camera . Watch his videos and judge for your self . There are pictures on his Facebook page that shows this

@ELECTRICIANSPODCAST 2 года назад

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@williamlowther7051 11 месяцев назад

Great to see you all having a chin wag and getting on, when all of you put yourself in the spotlight it's got to be the easiest thing in the world to pick fault about your work, well done to you all,

@AndyK.1 2 года назад

Kicked out the ninga group. Oh never mind. That will save a few hours

@iancoles1349 5 месяцев назад

Why do u have to disconnect most of the time.

@adamburns1077 Год назад

I always pronounce it bus bar over buzz bar 😂 it makes way more sense, a bus is something that carries and a busbar carries current - it doesn’t buzz, if it does there’s something wrong.

@mikeselectricstuff 2 года назад

How does the smart meter installation industry handle this ?

@joesouthgate 2 года назад

We are authorised under REC (the retail energy code company) previously MOCOPA to work on DNO equipment.

@haldo691 2 года назад

And the smart meter installers know their limits if they see something they don't like they call the DNO

@bartman58 Год назад

I bet John wards consumer unit is old....bless him

@SpikesMavic Год назад

One of the reasons is that the main fuse will have to have its seal redone, so I don't think the DNO would like to issue there fuse/meter seals to any electrcian , not going to happen

@paul_smith66 2 года назад

I think the electricians provide the CU and the dno provide the NTS.

@jonathanrose456 2 года назад

AFDDs… they’re going to be specified for HMOs, Hotels, Domestic Complexes, etc., not for all domestic properties.

@davidclark3603 2 года назад

Hmmm? Its it's a strange subject this? It seems to go through "phaases" (sorry) with the cut-out. I'm an old guy now, and years ago when Norweb existed, one year they would go on a serious letters sent rant about pulling the cut-out. All kinds of threats of being reported to anyone who will cause you grief! Sleepless nights etc. A couple of years later and its quite alright! "Yeah mate". "Its for your safety"! Time moves on and then you get the letter rants again? It's like some people love to go on a "power trip"! One day this issue will be sorted, once and for all! Peace.

@timothywalch7102 2 года назад

Your license electrician you should be able to do that

@jonathanrose456 2 года назад

Busbar is from electrical/electronic buses or a centralised distribution bar. I believe it has its origins in the bus that carries passengers vs a device that carries current, carrying being the operative word. Buses are used in computers in a similar fashion to transmit data.

@davidfaraday7963 2 года назад

"Bus" is from the latin "omnibus" meaning "for all".

@jonathanrose456 2 года назад

@@davidfaraday7963 word etimology for the origins of bus, yes but, for busbar, the origins are similar to busboy which follows the path of French from the origins of the bus transportation. It was never called the ominbusbar.

@davidfaraday7963 2 года назад

@@jonathanrose456 Yes, and the public transport vehicle was originally called an "omnibus", then shortened to "bus". So if you are saying that "busbar" follows the path of the name of the vehicle then that too comes from the latin "omnibus".

@jonathanrose456 2 года назад

@@davidfaraday7963 Yes. However, there is division between etimology & derivative here. Where there origins of bus comes from Latin “omnibus” to it’s abbreviation “bus”, the derivation is then from a “for all” meaning to a “to carry” within the centuries that followed. There are (as far as I’m aware, unverified) stories of the guy who coined the phrase being in a hotel at the time & comparisons to busboy have been made. A fellow student spelled it buzzbar in an assignment for uni & got a roasting from the professor. If I remember, it also appeared on Countdown 😂

@davidfaraday7963 2 года назад

@@jonathanrose456 I'd never heard the term "busboy" until you used it in this thread, so I looked it up and find that it seems to mean a waiter or similar. So where is the connection between a public service vehicle and a waiter? On the other hand a busbar, which serves all (or at least a large number) of outlets or destinations clearly does have a logical connection to a word meaning for "for all". So sorry, but I don't find your argument at all convincing.

@JohnR31415 9 месяцев назад

I’d far rather you worked safe than left that fuse alone. It has to be done at least once to install a proper main isolation switch - after that’s installed you can stay downstream of that…

@johnshaw8013 Год назад

Bus or Buzz bar? Bus... its is a common connection, as in the PC world, a common Bus... BUZZ... You get buzzed if you touch it! 🤣 As for the main fuse.... Fuck em! Pull it!!! How hard is it and how many qualifications and PPE do you need to just pull a big fuse to make your work safe??? My 1920's house has a massive porcelain cartridge fuse about 4inch wide. Not too hard to pull! Why don't houses just have an isolator switch like industrial premises do?

@jonathanrose456 2 года назад

I find CEF expensive. My local wholesaler has better deals & provide a better service

@alanhollyer9742 Месяц назад

When the first sparky dies because this things will soon change

@SpikesMavic Год назад

There is plenty out there that will fiddle there meters, so if you pull a fuse it just open the door for them

@pdhr0che 2 года назад

Can't you pull the fuse, install an isolator and reattach the fuse, surely you could pull the fuse and attach the tails into the isolator within 30 minutes?

@haldo691 2 года назад

Legally no

@pdhr0che 2 года назад

@@haldo691 I understand legally no but if the reaction time is 30 minutes before someone's sent out then surely you could get this done and reenegise the supply

@paulhughes8724 2 года назад

How long has Greg Davies been a spark 😀

@g7eit 9 месяцев назад

Be safe, pull the f%%king fuse

@ryang5561 2 года назад

You should always pull out..... Not sure about this fuse stuff tho.

@chrisardern4594 2 года назад

Pull it dont risk life and limb for boneheaded outdated rule. Work safe if for no other reason so you can go home and annoy the Mrs.

@davidclarke2513 Год назад

Domestic sparks have never seen a proper busbar,they think its buzzbar because its the noise made from their loose connections

@jasonkelwick8853 Год назад

Did you work for Crown House?

@zebadayusw901 11 месяцев назад

That statement is ridiculous, and I personally find it insulting

@ELECTRICIANSPODCAST 11 месяцев назад

What comment

@mainlineelectronics5266 2 года назад

The God like John Ward says "Bus Bar" but maybe mere mortals still have to learndest howto prenounseth der vords properorly

@hi88y28 11 месяцев назад

you're not allowed to pull the DNO fuse, because they don't want people changing their meters and not registering the new serial number.

@AndyK.1 2 года назад

What’s with all the adds?

@ELECTRICIANSPODCAST 2 года назад

I dunno I don't put them in it's generated by yt

@tonyclark9851 2 года назад

Sam properly got dried and crusty poo juice on his foot

@G8TIC 2 месяца назад

It's all bollox... just pull the fuse under the 'safe working' (safe isolation) regeime and worry about the consequnces later. I am not a spark but talking the the guys at my local DNS (WPD) some years hack that (a) gave me a 100A isolator; (b) gave me a load of seals; and (c) gave me a crimp tool ... WTF

@Guds777 9 месяцев назад

What the FUCK IS DNO Fuse?

@Blackf1ngers 2 года назад

I have one of those Seaward MFTs in the attic!

@dannyboisparky 2 года назад

Until they fit isolators as standard when they do meter upgrades, I’ll carry on pulling them. Savery hits the nail on the head, safe isolation has priority, it’s not like we pull them to Jack the meter. As long as correct ppe is used and reseal after, no problem at all, provided the equipment is in good enough condition to do so. It’s silly this is even a debate, we are trained to handle it. I agree a course to satisfy them would be the best course of action.