@@tatsnneeps341 Nissan had the GT Academy Jann Mardenborough was like the 3rd or 4th winner of GT academy to make it to a professional career the first ever was a Spanish guy Lucas Ordenez who went on to have a successful career, i think even more so than Jann! Kazunori Yamauchi takes part i think regularly or took part twice in the Nurb 24hr I dont know if the other sims have a director that takes part in the actual Nurb 24hr, we know how obsessive GT and PD is with the finer details.... GT and PD isnt fluke for being the most sold and played driving sim
@@Xenerith Lucas Ordenez was the original and the first winner of GT Academy and came waaaay before Jann and i think had an even more successful and varied career possibly..... there was at least 4 winners before Jann.... i think 1 was American and 1 was Canadian, and then you have Kaz himself who has taken part in the actual Nurb 24hr, so understands the stresses and pressures of a real life 24hr day night race and the fatigue.... im assuming theres a license to get to that level as well LOL So the license tests are GTs og and i think still the only Driving Sim that requires you to take basic driving tests before you drive and race.... now with GT Sport they require to take or it teaches you racing etiquette People poopoohing GT because they drive and play on PC because its harder and because better graphics cards are the same PC elitests harder means more simmy LOL or I pay £1000+ for an Iracing sub or service must mean its more simmy!!!! BUT most sim youtubers i see are mostly playing GT!!? or playing GT AND ACC because GT attracts more viewers!
The realest sim if u ask me, ppl keep saying assetto corsa but lap times don't lie, plus kazunori says that driving is easy in real life and shouldn't be overly difficult like some Sims make it out to be
@4thManonCross,I don't like the SIM elitists because its obvious they think the harder is more realistic. In my opinion, ACC is overrated,also people say Iracing is the most realistic well gt7 physics is closure to Iracing then any other SIM especially with the new physics update.
Road cars are easy to drive fast and most pro drivers would tell you that their GT3 spec car feels just like the road car but way faster thanks to slicks, aero and weight.
Realest? Man I'm a big GT fan but idk about that. The game doesn't even let you check tyre temps or change pressures, which are pretty important irl. I'd say it's authentic enough when it comes to road cars, too many sims these days focus only on LMH/LMDh/GT3/GT4/TCR/F1/XYZ/BBQ class cars which is ironic because 90% of the userbase will never set fit into one of those racecars, yet a road car.
of course kazunori would say that, if he’s marketing his game as a realistic simulator why would he say other sims are better than his in that aspect? of course he would say it’s easier to drive cars in real life because of that one aspect. Marketing.
@@therealsmoothbrainwill my personal driving experience says the same, driving is easy, if u ask ur old grand ma or grandpa with arthritiic hands and fading vision they will say the same. Driving is earsy to learn, easy to do, but hard to master, Gran Turismo reflects that, almost anybody can drive 5,6 or 7 tens, but to drive at 8,9, 10 is hard
consider the recent tyre update, and the technology of tyre has been updated since the GTR doing the time attack, the time advancement can consider realistic, and so GT 7 is real enough
It's a known fact that the record braking Nismo has absolutely nothing to do with the car you can buy. Are you going to dispute that because porsche was "salty"? Grow up
I think the reason for gtr nismo lap time is unqualified for production car in wiki is track package that installed after shipping from factory. That make lap time of this gtr nismo fall to modify car catalog.
Gran Turismo only got the lablel "simcade" from it's older titles. Clearly it does not apply anymore. There are more racing games closer to real driving than ever before, what seperates them these days is mere nuance now. What is labeled "simcade" today would've been the cutting-edge of simracing 10 years ago.
gt still called simcade because its still use simplified tyre model. I mean now its now got better with recent update and almost feels like proper sim now and its getting there but its still not true sim because of that.
@@kotarojujo2737 i know the simplified tyre model part, but even then he kinda cooks with the part of a "simplified tyre model now is probably a full on sim a decade earlier", cant deny that
Once a long time ago, I tried to drive in the same time in Assetto Corsa. I was very surprised by the difference with the official record. After carefully studying the Nissan video, I came to the conclusion that the car was modified in some way and at least it affects the tires. All Nürburgring fans know how difficult many turns are on ordinary street tires and how tricky it's to passed it on heavy understeering car (which Nissan is). You can clearly see it in Nissan test driver POV, when half of the track he just throws the car into turns without thinking about the speed at the apex. So in this situation, Porsche is more than justified in it's accusing. P.S. "Nürburgring is just made wrong in Grand Turismo btw. With almost flat surface and with wrong degrees and wideness in many corners. If you don't like Assetto compare it with iRacing."
and remember when Project Cars was being hyped to be the sim to take over from GT!!! the graphics etc and it died!! PC3 was worse than an arcade game! PC sims dont seem to have the staying power! PC sims boast being hard and detailed forgetting that you need to attract a wide audience! where GT builds and builds upon the foundation of driving is for everyone from kids to 90 yr olds!.... yes its sometimes painfully slow wanting the updates and upgrades! But thats probably due to PD having to answer to Sony and the fixed console space which it is comfortable with! But when GT gets it right it gets it right!! GTSport went seriously into the Esport scene and still commands that side now!
With comparison like this it's easy to understand the following GT has over the years. If they would ever add in a open world to the sim its would completely take over
The best thing for me whatchingvtjis was how the ai and the racer were so synchronised not just in turning but all the movements you encounter when driving. So realistic
Thanks! Saw it explained by some else, set your replay to the in car view and when you back out of the replay and re-enter it will maintain a fixed view as long as you don’t cycle views.
@@hubblespherethank you for the reply. I love your videos, they show off just how good GT7 is both in the physics department and especially in the graphics department. Sometimes I cannot tell the difference haha. Keep them coming, I hope your hard work pays off.
The GTR is impressive and to this day I like it. I would never want to own one, but it's a really cool and fast car. And as a Porsche enthusiast I had no problem with the GTR beating the comfort cruiser 911 Turbo, I was impressed! Of course Porsche being Porsche they always dominate those who dare challenge them and this rivalry went on for some time. But given the GTR never performed in tracks as well as the records they drove, always seemed strange to me. Porsche on the other hand are still the force to beat on races like the VLN and such.
Porsche said the the original '2009' GTR record was illegitimate, not the '2014' nismo GTR record. Nissan themselves admitted that the 2014 NISMO was illegitimate due to it being heavily modified. Also I think Best Motoring and Sport Auto couldn't even break the 7min 20sec barrier with the NISMO piloted by professional drivers which is a MASSIVE margin. When they set the ACR lap record there was only like a 3 second margin between three different drivers. @specmdriven has detailed documentary about nismo fiasco.
Nissan developed the N Attack Package which is an optional kit for the NISMO GT-R that is installed at the NISMO Omori Factory. This was disclosed when the record was set and the package was offered and it has been available on the 2014-2017 NISMO GT-R. In my opinion, this isn’t all that different from Porsche installing Weissach packages at their Porsche Motorsport facility in Weissach. Both satellite facilities perform similar work. Honda’s special Civic Type R S Grade record is on the wiki page but was set on non-factory optioned aftermarket tires. So I feel that looking back this record isn’t anything beyond what other manufacturers are doing. Nissan offers it for sale to customers as it was which is all that matters.
@@hubblesphere When Nissan made the official announcement of having the "Fastest Volume Production Car Record" they simply announced it as the new NISMO GTR with "track options". Why not at the very least be transparent about having a whole ECU remap? Not sure when the "N Attack" nomenclature came about but seems like it was months later after the entire industry called them out or dismissed their record. You can still check the NISMO site and see that the N Attack package wasn't even announced until the following year after the record, in July 2014. I remember all this going down as it was the moment where people started dismissing Ring records all together and got tired of all the illegitimate claims and marketing hype. As a result, verified-legitimate records would go completely unacknowledged/unappreciated sadly.
@@hubblesphere Doesn't that make Porsche hypocrites? Claiming the 7:08 lap time by Nissan was done by mods like the N Attack Package, when THEY THEMSELVES BECAME KING OF THE RING USING MODS LIKE THE WEISSACH PACKAGE?
@@HansenSebastian Again, Porsche never made any claims about the NISMO record. This is false information. These are the FACTS: N Attack package wasn't even announced until the following year after the record attempt, in July of 2014. You can look it up on the NISMO site yourself. That's longer after the industry had called out or just dismissed Nissan's record. Even when Nissan originally announced the record, they only said it was the worlds fastest "Volume Production car record" with "track options" but didn't even elaborate that it had full ECU tune and was 90lbs lighter. Porsche was fully transparent about the Weissach package even from the prototype testing phase. They also had their record independently verified by a 3rd party who knew the full details of the package. Customers were able to order the package even before the 918 was released.
Just 1 problem, you can drive much faster in a sim because there is no threat of death if you crash, so crashing isnt scary so you can push harder. And hasnt it already been proved they cheated?
Yes you can exploit sims to drive beyond what would be realistic in the real world but that isn’t really what simulators are for. Driving the car how you would in reality is far more useful for real world comparisons. When Nissan set the Nismo lap they disclosed the upgrade package scope and then offered it to customers. It was then installed at their NISMO Omori Factory.
Nissan:*fakes the nurburgring lap record* Porsche:THEY CHEATED! in 2015 Nissan:*crashes at flugplatz leading to the ban of the GT3 Class* Porsche:WE SWEAR TO H___ER! IT'S ALL NISSAN'S FAULT!
GTR is the worst car ever made. First: Originally, it was a $60k car with 600hp and AWD when most $60k sports cars had 400-450hp and only RWD, while simultaneously, most 600hp AWD sports cars (911s) cost well over $100k. At that point people say it’s such a good car because it beats out all of its competitors: other $60k cars even tho they were all underpowered with RWD, so it’s not a fair comparison. But when you put the $60k 600hp AWD GTR against other 600hp AWD cars (911 turbo s), GTR loses every single time. Then people say “oh it’s so much cheaper.” My number 1 problem with this: you should always compete with cars of the same category, similar drivetrain and power. That’s why you can’t bring a Ferrari to a Golf race in racing games. So when you compare GTR to M3, it’s essentially a bully when the M3 has 400-440hp and RWD. But at least it’s still cheaper than 911s. Second: Nowadays, GTRs are so much more expensive than they used to be. They are no longer the same cost as M3/M4/C63/RS5. It is at least 1.5x the cost of a M3/M4/C63/RS5. Sometimes it’s even more expensive than the 911s!!! It was a cheap fast car. Now it’s just like any other sports car, just as expensive if not more, but without the luxury name associated with it like Porsche. To summarize: GTR used to be a big bully who likes to race underpowered RWD cars and claim its superiority, and when it loses to its actual rival, you cry cause they are more expensive. 10 years later, you still loses to 911 and yet you are just as expensive as 911. You just can’t get around it. The 911 is just absolutely the best car ever build, it’s perfection. And GTR is trash.
This is what we call a spec sheet nerd. L take, the gtr might not be the fastest car ever made but at the time it had the most you could really ask for without shelling out hundreds of thousands. If you wanted a super fast car, but didn't own an oil field, it was really your best option. Nowadays Audi probably has it beat there though.
such a weird take but, okay. we love the R35 because its a great platform to Modify on, for Drag? Roll racing? Tōge? Track car? and its still the same platform over the years g
It drives me nuts when people in GT7 don’t fully upgrade their cars as it’s bloody stupid as the goal is to be the fastest PERIOD. If you don’t upgrade and you’re slower then it’s your own stupid fault
@@jamesowendesign you're right, as a veteran gt player, there are some cars I need to put a safety margin on Powerlimit, as it can cause fuel to burn earlier, be way too fast and lose traction,have brakes that struggle for power, the BoP limit, and yes. be too fast in rainy races and slip out.
