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Can I use an ESC with a bigger amp rating with my motor? 

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@MCsCreations
@MCsCreations Год назад
Thanks for all the tips, Lee! 😊 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@paulg5437
@paulg5437 Год назад
The only problem I've noted using a much bigger ESC (apart from its weight) is it may be set for a higher number of cells than you plan to use (example: a secondhand ESC set for 6S when you only use 3S). This can cause strange problems like the motor not running at max or the ESC cutting out before the LIPO is down to its lower voltage limit. So always check its battery cell count with a configuration card or the (frustrating) music beep method.
@Mr748Dave
@Mr748Dave Год назад
Great video. I use the same term when I explain the Motor-ESC-Battery system, that the motor PULLS current through the ESC from the battery. Also, great recommendation to always have 20% excess capacity in the ESC. Thank you!
@richarddorsch7275
@richarddorsch7275 11 месяцев назад
Great explanation! Other utube videos only confused me. Thank you!
@petersfield7397
@petersfield7397 Год назад
Excellent advice , well done to you.
@jamesemery1
@jamesemery1 Год назад
Good advice as always. I learned the hard way with rc cars when I was a kid, popped quite a few esc's before i figured it out lol. Stay safe Lee
@LiftVector
@LiftVector Год назад
I just stuck a 30 amp ESC into my latest FT Mini Arrow with an EMAX MT2204 2300kv motor/6inch prop. Bench testing results made me chuckle. Thing is going to rip at 360 grams!
@hamshackleton
@hamshackleton Год назад
I'd prefer to put a Wattmeter in line between the battery and speedo, for bench testing. Using e-calc or whatever is all well and good IF everything is to the spec it claims, but there is always that rogue motor that draws a lot more than it should - especially if the ground has jumped up and hit it!
@pir869
@pir869 5 месяцев назад
This is sort of something i want to delve into a bit more,I'm a total noob to fpv,but i'm an electronics technician. Your right that the motor will draw what it needs as far as current is concerned,the voltage fed to the motor will always be peak battery voltage as that's how pwm works. I have the idea that the ESC input signal from the flight controller will be the same no matter what flight controller is used as this is basically a power conversion ie low signal power to high drive demand. Even all in one controllers can have the onboard ESC parts removed to save weight if external ESC units are fitted. I am looking at some older drones that have 2s 20c rated batteries a hubson 501,it has separate ESC units,my thought is change out the ESC units to higher current rated types,also upgrade the motors,even if a conversion plate is needed for the new motor to mount to new screw holes using the old screw holes to hold the conversion plate. Fit bigger props,use a larger cell count battery with a higher C rating for faster spool time,and also maintain the original flight controller board and or the Vtx voltages with a smps buck converter or a linear regulator. To get a higher drive power ,longer range with a lighter body . My issue is with the C rating ,even just changing out the 2s 7.4v battery of 20-30c to a higher C rated battery what if any issues could arise,i don't see a problem,i just foresee a drone that might be a bit zippier,or the motors "might" over heat,but again they "the motors" should be more than capable of utilising a more available current source,therby allowing again a faster spool up time ,if anything the higher C rated battery would be under less stress and or heating due to the lower internal resistance not causing thermal runaway from current demands. Please let me know what you think of my ideas,i was going to build a drone but if i can start with a partially built item ie strip out either low rated ESC or onboard ESC and motors,a bit like not using a cheap pc all in one video/sound card and opting for separate items to plug in,when people did that. Also i'd take the heatshrink of of any controller and add heat sinks to the mosfets then seal the electronics with either a conformal coating spray or the silicone rubber solution for electronics use,in case any one reading this bathroom silicone rubber is no good as it gives off acetic acid(vinegar) and will eat away copper like ferric chloride used to etch pcbs,fish tank silicone is fine too as it too does not give of nasty copper or fish killing nasties. Sorry for the length of this ,but i wanted to convey the full idea of my proposed plan clever or dumb,i think it could be done and i may yet cannibalise a cheap ebay drone preferably analog as i have a EV800 box viewer. Subscribed and enjoy the vids.
@arrepuess
@arrepuess Год назад
Thank you
@superdon1chw
@superdon1chw 7 месяцев назад
Thanks
@dallasb7117
@dallasb7117 Год назад
Thanks,..as always you provide excellent information. You mind me asking what Is your day job ?
@Painless360
@Painless360 Год назад
I'm retired but I trained as an electronics engineer but spent most of my career in IT. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3hZyJcdEg2A.html covers a lot of the common questions... Happy flying
@dallasb7117
@dallasb7117 Год назад
@@Painless360 Thanks, you seem to have too much of a good personality for that job. I hope you occasionally give yourself a little pat on the back and realize how much of a Positive impact you have had on So many people..How many times Your efforts have turned frustration into Flight...Good on Ya Sir.
@maxun1
@maxun1 Год назад
100 % correct Lee, but the prop motor KV is super important, if you overprop the motor specially in hi KV motors, the motor will get hot degrading over time the lacquer of the motor in the best case or melting the lacquer, making a short in the stator windings and burn the esc. So a balance combo is golden.
@Painless360
@Painless360 Год назад
Indeed, see the motor and prop series where Markus and I covered that in a lot of detail... Happy flying!
@ADF_Cable
@ADF_Cable Год назад
Absolutely! I like to have a slightly bigger esc than required. I liken it to doing 60 miles on the highway, you don't want to be redlining your car motor, you want to be cruising. Same also applies for hifo amplification, best to have more power in the amp than speakers are rated for for cleaner sound
@jamesemery1
@jamesemery1 Год назад
@@-BUFFALOMan no he means having head room in terms of the rms output of the amp being a higher rating than the rms of the speaker and running the amp at let's say 75% of its rated output rather than 100%. the amp runs cooler and as has little chance of distorting the signal and damaging the speaker
@m3chanist
@m3chanist Год назад
@@-BUFFALOMan Yes, but you don't run the amp at full output, that's the point.
@axelbrendel4091
@axelbrendel4091 Год назад
That makes it too easy to blow your speakers. As many can attest to!
@jamesemery1
@jamesemery1 Год назад
@@axelbrendel4091 if you set it up correctly there is no chance of blowing your speakers. if you over drive them then of course it causes damage
@TradieTrev
@TradieTrev Год назад
Couldn't we use a clamp meter to measure the ESC for what it draws? Been having a bit of a play with some DC ceiling fan motors and it totally fascinates me how similar they are compared to what we use for quadcopters and scooters. In fact most are rated 24v and for a bit of fun it I reckon we could use a flight controller ;)
@m3chanist
@m3chanist Год назад
You could use the clamp meter to measure the current draw from the motor, I.E. clamp between motor and esc, one wire of the three, then multiply what you see by 3, you can't measure all three phases at once and get a meaningful reading, alternately you could use three meters, one on each wire then add them up, same result, 3 times as expensive. This is on the AC setting or better still if it offers it the AC RMS setting. If you measure above the esc, that is between the esc and the power supply you need to set it to DC current and you will see the motors current draw plus a little more, that little more being the conversion inefficiency of the esc, which is the heat dissipated by it in watts expressed in terms of the small difference in current reading shown on your meter (as compared to when you measured the motor current) multiplied by the supply voltage. You may need to read all that three times, sorry ;)
@MarkoMarkovic-ck9pg
@MarkoMarkovic-ck9pg 5 месяцев назад
Good evening, I'm new to the RC world and am currently building one of my first few bait boats. So if you can answer my questions, that would be very very helpful and I would be very happy. So, I have 2x 12V 6800rpm brushed motors, 12V 7.2AH gel battery. I bought two 12V 320A ESC-s. And my question is, would the ESC-s be “overkill” and would they drain the battery faster than, for example, a 2x 12V 40A ESC-s or does that have anything to do with it? Kind regards
@luispina4012
@luispina4012 5 месяцев назад
👍👍
@jmiskinis
@jmiskinis Год назад
I have not yet constructed the drone that I painstakingly acquired parts for starting in 2016 or so. But, after watching some RU-vid videos, I was not sure if I made a mistake in purchasing ESC devices that were rated for the same current as my motors, as several videos stated that is advisable to use ESC devices rated at (Approx.) 20% above the motor rating.
@Painless360
@Painless360 Год назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xPDc6r6nRTU.html is my video in it. Best of luck
@gabcwabc2491
@gabcwabc2491 Год назад
I was on the same page as this here, but then I have burned out 2 motors with ESC's 50% larger (all with recommended batteries and propellers). Then with the latest new motor, when hitting the throttle, the motor would immediately stall. Down to the rated ESC and works fine. It makes me thing that some motors will pull more amps then they can consume without damage.
@Painless360
@Painless360 Год назад
More likely the ESC settings were wrong for the motor.. Happy flying
@gabcwabc2491
@gabcwabc2491 Год назад
@@Painless360 What kind of setting? All 3 different ESC's and motors bought new. All flew at least once. One burned up at launch, one on a fly by and one jst quit working. The motor would beep without starting on large ESC and has been working ever since with the same type ESC of said rating. I still think some motors will pull more amperage then they can tolerate.
@Painless360
@Painless360 Год назад
I'd suspect timing if things are getting super hot quickly.
@gunbuster333SMSTI
@gunbuster333SMSTI Месяц назад
I just recently got an RC boat and this answered a lot of my questions however doesn’t the certain cell battery also affect how much the motor pulls? That still don’t get and I wonder if if you have a video about. Because say at 2S it might pull 20 A and it’ll want that full 40. Unless that’s not how it works.😂
@Painless360
@Painless360 Месяц назад
A motor is a constant speed device and will have a specific speed it want to turn at and a power level (in watts) it can dissipate safely. Watts = volts x amps so if you increase the voltage, the current goes down typically. But, a motor is usually designed for a specific set of voltages and prop sizes to make sure that it can handle the current that it pulls and the power it needs to spin the prop. See the motor thrust tables for how things like current, voltage and prop affect thrust.. Best of luck!
@gunbuster333SMSTI
@gunbuster333SMSTI Месяц назад
Hmm. Alright thanks😮
@LegitLeeVelez
@LegitLeeVelez Год назад
Where did you get the 40 amp esc from?
@Painless360
@Painless360 Год назад
It came with a RTF kit a while back. I buy my fixes wing ESCs from 3DXR... Happy flying
@R_Alexander029
@R_Alexander029 Месяц назад
Remember: Current is pulled by the load, not pushed by the source.
@kevinduprey9326
@kevinduprey9326 3 месяца назад
Random question... I see people buying battery packs for ebikes with different amp specs. Is it possible to have device that simply would electronically change volts ? From say 48a to 60a ? Assuming you have capable battery.. Similar to chip in vape mod with wattage adjustments?
@Painless360
@Painless360 3 месяца назад
I'm sure that those devices exist but they are not used in the RC Hobby. Best of luck
@user-cv2es9od5j
@user-cv2es9od5j 10 месяцев назад
I am new to RC and am trying to find an electric motor to replace the .20 gas motor my stick build plan calls for. My trainer has a 50 x 9 inch wing and should be approximately 3 LB when completed. Can you help?
@Painless360
@Painless360 10 месяцев назад
Sure. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MJEHF_Vtuek.html Best of luck
@navinsingh1730
@navinsingh1730 9 месяцев назад
I had the same question, I was worried that higher rated ESC will provide too low a resistance and won't regulate the current going to the BLDC motor. In reality, that is only a problem if you are using a higher voltage than the BLDC motor is rated for, or when the motor is running at max power and it heats up before the ESC heats and reduces power to protect the circuit.
@Painless360
@Painless360 9 месяцев назад
Nothing to do with resistance. Glad you found the answer. Best of luck
@navinsingh1730
@navinsingh1730 9 месяцев назад
@@Painless360 Thanks for the video! It's amazing how common BLDC (Especially around A2212 Size) motors have become nowadays, isn't it!
@Painless360
@Painless360 9 месяцев назад
2212 was the motor size used on early DJI Phantoms so lots of kit started to use them.. Happy flying
@navinsingh1730
@navinsingh1730 9 месяцев назад
@@Painless360
@Chinhnguyen0497
@Chinhnguyen0497 Месяц назад
is there anyway to turn the pot into trigger type? I want to use it to run a bldc motor but don't want to have to turn the pot, turn it into a button also help? please help
@Painless360
@Painless360 Месяц назад
I'm not sure I understand the question. Can you elaborate?
@navinsingh1730
@navinsingh1730 9 месяцев назад
I have wondered how ESC controls the throttle/speed of the motor, is it PWM?
@Painless360
@Painless360 9 месяцев назад
Sort of. It increases the time power is sent to each phase in turn by increasing the on time... Happy flying
@GhostRyderFPV
@GhostRyderFPV Год назад
Adding "duty cycle" to my drone-speak is Sexy! Right? Anyone? Echo echo echo... Now lets us show the opposite: a 50A 2207 with a 15A ESC: Engage Safety Squints and Pepsi Extinguisher!
@Dj-md3qv
@Dj-md3qv 5 месяцев назад
can i use this same brand but with 50A for a quadcopter with 4 1855KV motors and one 6S LiPo battery? The motors are rated at 35A max. Please it's urgent.
@Painless360
@Painless360 5 месяцев назад
As covered in the video, if the motor will pull less than the ESC is rated for... You're good
@avici38
@avici38 4 месяца назад
Hello Sir, I have brushless motor with 1250KV and maximum current is 70 and in the data sheet mentioned for 70 ESC, my question is can I use 40 Amp ESC for my motor just to test it?
@Painless360
@Painless360 4 месяца назад
No. Best of luck.
@avici38
@avici38 4 месяца назад
@@Painless360 thank you sir
@rc846
@rc846 Год назад
Draw = Current = Flow = Resistance = Heat
@hojiqabait
@hojiqabait 8 месяцев назад
Motor max power = current x voltage 10% headroom on esc just nice Overprops, lesser pitch/blades. Underprops, higher pitch/more blades. Manufactures dint gave any power/max speed - torque curve, just do the math. Loading must be less than base/platform.
@TailSpinRCSpain
@TailSpinRCSpain Год назад
I always over engineer the power system.
@themuckyman
@themuckyman Год назад
It is like a mother feeding a baby...the mother is never going to force feed the baby but if she doesn`t feed the baby enough it will start crying for more.
@Manuel-of7et
@Manuel-of7et Год назад
What about running a 40amp esc with a 10amp motor? Still ok? At some point is it bad to go too high on the esc?
@Painless360
@Painless360 Год назад
Should be fine, as covered in the video. Best of luck
@callmevil
@callmevil Год назад
And if u know youre going to fly pulling big amps from your esc, please change ure battery leads to a deans connector as it can hold more heat
@m3chanist
@m3chanist Год назад
Than an XT30? sure, than an XT90? no. They are rated at 60A, same as an XT60
@callmevil
@callmevil Год назад
@@m3chanist yeah the deans goes up to 90amps. Ive had the xt60 solders melted on me a few times.. always its an expensive fix lol
@jackmule1572
@jackmule1572 Год назад
Yes, in most case(if i am correct).
@robsycko
@robsycko Год назад
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