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Can Land Value Tax Give Baltimore's Neighborhoods Back To Their Residents? 

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Joshua Vincent of the Center for the Study of Economics talks about how a land value tax could give Baltimore residents relief from the wealth extraction that absentee landlords perpetrate.
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@nikolajandsimontalks7162
@nikolajandsimontalks7162 4 года назад
Great video ! There are so many economic advantages to land value taxes, and this is obviously the reason why the tax is favoured by both left and right wing economists. With a land value tax in place, landowners will face a loss if they sit on empty land, and so they will be encouraged to - either sell the land or use it to produce value (in order to avoid a loss).
@rjg7112
@rjg7112 4 года назад
Land value only, not the activity of people living on the land, should be taxed. Get rid of all sales taxes and significantly reduce parking and trafic fines, what I call Serfs Going About Their Daily Lives Taxes. Also, double and triple up the rates out of state and foreign buyers pay. We do this with public college tuition. Let's do the opposite and make the public college tuition free, while implementing a real land tax that stops speculative bubbles.
@kuriadams9138
@kuriadams9138 4 года назад
Exactly, the more money in the hands of the "Serfs Going About Their Daily Lives", the more demand for goods and services, the more people will try to meet those demands, the better the economy. As Will Rogers said in 1932, "The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickles down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn’t know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night, anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellows hands. "
@nthperson
@nthperson 4 года назад
No need to penalize out of state investors, if they are actually investing in business and job creation rather than in land speculation. An annual tax equal to the full potential rental value of the location (adjusted each year based on changing values) removes the possibility of profiting as a land speculator.
@donnab.333
@donnab.333 4 года назад
@@nthperson Nope. Penalize out of state investors because for the "most" part it is about making profits.
@nthperson
@nthperson 4 года назад
@@donnab.333 The real world is too complex to try to do limited investment to residents of a city or a state. Non-residents (including businesses domiciled elsewhere) can be good members of the community, even though much of their profits do not stay locally. if the firms invest in job-creating capital goods and compensate the community for the value of whatever land they come to control, the dominoes will fall in the right direction toward a full employment environment. It will not happen overnight, but the fundamentals will be in place and the right sort of incentives will stimulate the local economy to the benefit of everyone.
@robe_p3857
@robe_p3857 4 года назад
Noticed that a 0.2 acre vacant lot in my city just went for 1.5 million in 2016. Lot sold for 44k in 1976. 34x increase yet still vacant. Question is, where did all that free money come from? Who paid it, who pocketed it?
@err0r0b0
@err0r0b0 4 года назад
Jews
@lvtfan
@lvtfan 4 года назад
Who paid it? Either someone who wanted to put the land to use, or someone who thought that public spending, population increase, industrious neighbors --- or subsidies --- would make it even more valuable in the future. Who pocketed it? Likely someone who would proudly proclaim himself a self-made man, with foresight that deserved to be rewarded. Someone who would proudly proclaim to be a smart businessman, worthy of respect and honor from his inferiors. That site could have housed people, and/or employed people or otherwise served them, for decades. And in California, with Proposition 13 keeping annual land and building taxes to a minute and shrinking fraction of the value of the sites, the 34x would be a lot higher.
@robe_p3857
@robe_p3857 4 года назад
@@lvtfan Ultimately the person that pays it is us. Even if a well intended person buys the land and develops it for something productive, they will need to pass that cost on. Making matters worst, the municipality taxes the building value. So u have a housing shortage in urban area driving up rent, yet if u create 10 stories of housing, u get taxed per story. Once again, passed on. Not only do u reward bad behavior by not taxing land value, u punish good behavior by taxing building value.
@robe_p3857
@robe_p3857 4 года назад
Nice vid TRNN! Those interested in LVT can also check out: Real Estate 4 Ransom, The Taxing Question of Land, Milton Friedman talks about property taxes and Case Studies in NYC property development.
@mikecorbeil
@mikecorbeil 4 года назад
Very ok interview. I hadn't previously known of land value tax vs property tax, but it's easy to understand, once we have the explanation, which we got with this interview. Seems to get a little complicated one or two times, but it's overall easy to understand. I wish the poor, EVERYWHERE, well, as well as can be achieved. And that brings up another problem. How the heck to succeed against socio-economic injustice. How? I don't know the answer.
@nthperson
@nthperson 4 года назад
Make your voice heard with your local representative.
@OHexpat12
@OHexpat12 4 года назад
Thoughtful and a timely discussion. Proudhonians chime in.
@TheGrinningViking
@TheGrinningViking 4 года назад
A land value tax instead of an income tax sounds amazing! I've often said that my local government should charge an investment property tax for unoccupied properties just being held and allowed to rot.
@nthperson
@nthperson 4 года назад
Every parcel of land has some potential annual rental value. Whatever that amount is is what the owner ought to be required to pay each year as a "property tax." Put this system into place, and over time governments could begin to eliminate taxing people's wages and even commerce.
@BigRodd91
@BigRodd91 4 года назад
@@nthperson the government won't eliminate taxes, just create new ones to collate to pre-existing ones.
@taoliu3949
@taoliu3949 3 года назад
@@BigRodd91 Georgism is not about adding new taxes, its about shifting the taxes towards land value from other existing taxes. In other words, it's meant to replace current forms of tax systems. It's worked in multiple municipalities in Pennsylvania where land value tax has gradually replaced property taxes.
@BigRodd91
@BigRodd91 3 года назад
@@taoliu3949 Georgism is about adding more taxes. Don't be irrational and idealistic. That's what the politician's who want more taxes want people to think like.
@taoliu3949
@taoliu3949 3 года назад
@@BigRodd91 Um, no its not. Pure Georgism advocates to replace ALL taxes with the Land Value Tax. Read Henry George's Progress and Poverty.
4 года назад
And Elijah Cummings did NOTHING, Nada, to intervene on these issues during his watch.
@ybgl7965
@ybgl7965 4 года назад
Absolutely Nothing! However he is praised in many circles.
@gcvrsa
@gcvrsa 4 года назад
Oh, yeah? So, what did *you* do for Baltimore? I'm betting you just want to make racist statements, and I bet you don't even live in Baltimore.
@nthperson
@nthperson 4 года назад
I suspect that Mr. Cummings did not appreciate the causes of the city's decline. Few civic leaders these days do.
@donnab.333
@donnab.333 4 года назад
Initially, I think he started out wanting to do for the people; but in the end, he became just like the rest of the democrat politicians; & not caring about the local people (unless it was voting season).
@michaelcre8
@michaelcre8 4 года назад
Taxing rental income at a higher rate than earned income seems like it would be a simpler solution to slum landlords. Taxing rental income at a higher rate would take the profits away from landlords and encourage them to sell. Capital gains tax is too low and too easily avoided, which is what fuels real estate speculation and rentier capitalism according to economist Michael Hudson. Property tax should also be progressive instead of flat so that single home owners pay lower rates than landlords, speculators, developers and corporations. The biggest problem with economically depressed areas are our monopolistic large businesses that suppress wages (often while avoiding paying any taxes) and neoliberal trade policies that export all the good jobs out of the country. There are solutions to the labor suppressing effects of neoliberalism that would have more impact than increasing land tax.
@schumanhuman
@schumanhuman 4 года назад
'There are solutions to the labor suppressing effects of neoliberalism that would have more impact than increasing land tax.' LVT is a win win, it spurs development and productivity and has no dead weight loss on the economy. It would benefit workers by lowering rents and raising real wages, also allowing better access to land to drive driving up both competition and workers bargaining power, also it was real estate speculation that drove the GFC, and will likely crash the economy again in or around 2026, with a sizeable LVT such land price cycles would be impossible, so I don't see what else would have more impact. 'Property tax should also be progressive instead of flat so that single home owners pay lower rates than landlords, speculators, developers and corporations.' As soon as you create exemptions you create loopholes and perverse incentives. If you want to protect the average person, or particularly the asset rich cash poor pensioners increase their benefits, that would be far better than watering down the tax.
@nthperson
@nthperson 4 года назад
A move to a land-only property tax base is not an overnight cure for the city's economic, social and financial problems. That admitted, it would start to have positive effects in a relatively short period of time. As a former deputy mayor of New York once stated in advocacy of the measure, imposing high taxes on people and on businesses drives people and businesses away. Imposing a high tax on the holding of land will stimulate the owner to develop the land or sell to someone who will; they cannot take the land with them to somewhere else.
@stevei-cj4sc
@stevei-cj4sc 4 года назад
I didnt understand how this works. DDoes it invrease tax to absent land owners? Need much more clarity. cheers
@schumanhuman
@schumanhuman 4 года назад
If you buy property, it taxes the land portion it at the level of expected rent for that location/zoning within reasonable bounds of getting the building ready to generate a revenue stream in the case of vacant land. Currently land taxes are often so low that the land/property can be held out of use or waiting for rezoning windfall gains for years and then sold on for capital gains. It removes these perverse incentives as it becomes more costly (and less rewarding on sale) to hold land out of use, so either the landlord puts it to use to generate a yield to pay the tax or s/he sells it to someone who will.
@alexblake5743
@alexblake5743 4 года назад
This video is insane nonsense. All land, all real estate is taxed in the United States. Yes, they are simply trying to greatly increase the property tax burden that already exists.
@schumanhuman
@schumanhuman 4 года назад
@@alexblake5743 Completely missing the point, it's shifting the tax burden from buildings and productivity to land. It's irrelevant that real estate is already taxed, it is taxed badly, too much in some places and not enough in others. So under someone who invests appropriately in the building on the land is no longer taxed more than someone who either leaves the land undeveloped or under utilises the property. Spurring on development and efficiency rather than punishing it.
@alexblake5743
@alexblake5743 4 года назад
@@schumanhuman you are insane.
@schumanhuman
@schumanhuman 4 года назад
@@alexblake5743 Is that you best argument? Asserting that it means higher property taxes does not make it so, it's simply a fact that Joshua Vincent has advised how to shift the tax from buildings to land in a revenue neutral way so you are empirically wrong that it means higher property tax. Better to be insane than flat wrong.
@WilhelmDrake
@WilhelmDrake 4 года назад
#LVT #MMT
@Anita.Cox.
@Anita.Cox. Год назад
It feels like from communist to capitalist has been harping on abt how much better a lvt is, especially compared to a property tax yet no one in the government seems to notice, goes to show how out of touch they are.
@charlenek11
@charlenek11 4 года назад
I'm kind of curious as to what problem this really solves. In many municipalities, the property tax is the basis for income. If you reduce the property tax by just solely taxing land, that revenue is going to have to come from somewhere else in order to fund schools, police, fire and other public needs. It may solve one problem but create another. I'm also concerned that it would encourage other people who have more Capital to buy up land and then rent it out.
@nthperson
@nthperson 4 года назад
The total amount of revenue raised will increase (if not immediately, over time) as development is spurred and the competition to control well-located land parcels cases the rental value of those locations to increase year after year. The further away from the central business district, the rental values of land will be lower, of course, but as residential neighborhoods begin to reoccupied and buildings are renovated or replaced, the land rental values all throughout the city will rise. Investors would have no financial reason to buy up land just to offer it to others under a lease, as the city would be collecting the same amount each year in taxes. People would buy or hold land only if they were going to develop the land to its highest, best use (whatever that might be based on market demand, zoning, building restrictions, etc.).
@charlenek11
@charlenek11 4 года назад
@@nthperson I'm thinking about real estate developers, they would buy up the land and they would develop it. I'd see it as lowering the barrier to entry for people with more Capital to do bigger projects then individual homeowners. The individual person might have more access, but might get edged out by people who are looking to create rental properties.
@nthperson
@nthperson 4 года назад
@@charlenek11 No public policy works in a vacuum. Every neighborhood has building regulations and zoning restrictions. Some communities pass ordinances that restrict the height of buildings or require compliance with historic preservation. Developers tend to follow demand rather than to create demand. The city can restrict the sale of any city-held land parcels or land with an existing structure to buyers who commit to be owner-occupants for some period of time. The city could charter a public bank charged with providing mortgage financing to income-eligible buyers.
@charlenek11
@charlenek11 4 года назад
@@nthperson that's fine, but it's hard to visualize the scale of how much income might be lost and how much will have to be made up in other fees on services. A more concrete example would help to show how this particular tax might improve things. Some kind of economic modeling would be nice.
@nthperson
@nthperson 4 года назад
@@charlenek11 Well, there are about 20 communities and a couple school districts in Pennsylvania that have some version of a two-rate property tax. The state capital, Harrisburg, taxes assessed land values at a rate six times greater than it taxes building values. Several successful mayoral administrations led the effort to continue to this differential beginning back in the 1970s. As for modeling, the economics literature is filled with papers on the subject. Here is the link to just one paper, written in 1973 by then Professor of economics at Columbia University, C. Lowell Harriss: www.cooperative-individualism.org/harriss-c-lowell_property-taxation-what's-good-and-what's-bad-1973.pdf
@MistaShifta
@MistaShifta 4 года назад
Is Marlo still the man in charge? #freeavon
@Dr.Sharron
@Dr.Sharron 4 года назад
Let's talk about TAXES period! Bottom line is we are getting tired of making other people rich. These politicians are too greedy and hurting the working class. We are tired of working, so a group of young people just have babies and benefit from our taxed money or claim disabilities when they are able to work. It is wrong for working people get injured or struck with chronic illness and must get lawyers to fight for what is rightfully theirs, disability benefits while people who just refuse to work get it free of charge. This is Wrong. God said if you do not work, you do not eat. Why are the elders still working when they paid into this corrupted tax system? They are the ones who should be at home. It hurts my heart to see an elder still working and 20 year old females with their bellies stuck out due to 2nd or 3rd pregnancy and not working or married. 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡 This tax system is only helping those in power and those young people who refuse to work when they can. Who is standing up for the elders. I do not want to keep helping a generation whose parents lived off the system and now their children expecting the same treatment. The hell with that. By the way, both of my grandfathers' had massive lands that was taken from them or forced to sell their lands for little of nothing. They were hassled by White men and police officers. Now, businesses are on those lands.A local school was built on one. I do know God will make that right for each family side of my parents in due time. Karma is coming.
@kuriadams9138
@kuriadams9138 4 года назад
Yes, blame the people that have no money, no power, and no opportunities.
@Dr.Sharron
@Dr.Sharron 4 года назад
@@kuriadams9138 , everyone have opportunities and chose not to take advantage. If a woman choose to have 3 babies she cannot afford, she exerted her freewill to do nothing with herself. I took birth control pills while I attended school. I have student loans. I used my freewill to choose that path. While I worked as I attended an university, I learned how Black women with babies were able to go for free but only a pinch of them took advantage of that opportunity. I thought that was a slap in the face. I tried to live right all the while the government made it hard for me while making it easy for every woman laying up with every man. Do not think I do not know what it means to not have opportunities. Our elders are suffering and there are people with real disabilities and cannot work, but those people have to get lawyers to retrieve what is theirs anyway. I know a lady who has cancer and was denied disabilities. She is still working and suffering at the same time due to chemo treatments. That woman pays taxes for disabilities and social security. Those benefits are not welfare. Don't tell me these women with NO husbands and have 3 or more children did not have opportunities. They had the opportunity to not have babies they could not afford. Do you even sit in the public schools to see how these girls behave? They refuse to be educated but know how to get pregnant just to get welfare, food stamps and Section 8. This has to STOP. What about our elders? Stand up for them. 20ish, 30ish, 40ish year old women never worked but cintinue to suck the breast of the government as if that is a career. It is time for them to get off their butts and go to work, so our elders can rest.
@geosco1165
@geosco1165 4 года назад
This the issue with education Of course it's more expensive to build in a cramped city than in open rural or less urban area If agriculture is not the top sector for budget than an economy is doomed Especially a fiat one No more money for military complex But yall still black tho Gotta shake that off humans of planet earth
@Ramiiam
@Ramiiam 4 года назад
Just taxing and taxing Baltimore. Create a more toxic environment for job creators. You are circling the drain.
@schumanhuman
@schumanhuman 4 года назад
This is about un-taxing Baltimore's productive economy and freeing up free enterprise from land speculators.
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