@@paulgibbons2320but they SHOULD bring prices down if green energy is actually used, but the fact is crooks have been in charge! They are NOT the issue The fact the questions have been asked in this video “ But do they spoil the area” is fucking stupid
@@Vegan_Photographs They are used, the power prices are set by the highest cost generation asset which is usually gas, so as a result gas sets the power price. High inertia assets like gas are important for balancing the grid and are necessary when there are no renewables. This is why the heavy and wind and solar strategy labour are proposing will not reduce bills, if anything will increase them, and will not achieve full net zero.
Nothing can lower energy bills when energy companies are in the private sector, look at the fall in the price of oil and the suppliers either barely moved an inch and provided penny’s worth of different and kept the rest or sucked up the full extra profits. The energy market will never ever ever pass on the full or even most if any of the benefits of positive impacts. It is utter avarice with them as no one holds them to account, not the government, not the media. It’s utterly infuriating. Nationalise the energy and water companies as they have shown they have zero sympathy for the people of this country and are only interested in themselves.
You're right. Kinda. The market structure is the problem. That needs to change to mean that the wholesale price isn't set by the most expensive source at any given time. If that was fixed (and to be fair it's a fiddly problem) then this cheap energy would actually bring down prices for consumers.
It's not that energy is privatized, it's that there is no where near enough competition. There is so little competition due to government regulations. In any case, I know you won't listen so have fun with an ever larger government. 40% total managed spending and rising.
@@joeblogs6598 Texas has a highly deregulated energy market dominated by fossil fuels. Did you see what happened when they had a cold snap a couple of years ago? Due to low standards for weatherisation (protection from severe weather) which the energy companies had lobbied government to scrap, about a tenth of the system went offline overnight. People were being charged literally tens of thousands of dollars per day for power which they had no choice but to buy to avoid freezing to death in their homes. Grow up, Markets aren't the solution to every problem. Life isn't that simple.
Well said. Rateable charges for water are a classic example of this for unmetered houses since 1973! Extortion! Get with the times and nationalise the lot!
I sold my house in Scotland 1 year ago and moved nr to Tarragona, Spain. I bought a 3 bed country house that has a 3 KW solar panel setup + 24V / 685A battery storage + 5KW Inverter. It still feels weird having free leccy ! I can easily run high load items like my dishwasher or washing machine. Don't need a tumble dryer out here ! Anything else like lighting, PC, fridge freezer, TVs, fans, Console etc use minimal power. Got a small backup genny to charge batteries but never needed it so far. It also has a solar vacuum tube (21) hot water storage tank on the roof. It providies hot water all year round. It can hit 97⁰ C in the summer months though. Scorchio ! I am connected to a good water supply but the house also has a 16K litre rain water storage cisterna in the basement. Go Solar if you can folks, obviously easier to do in Spain. PS 12KG of butane gas for the cooker costs about £17 here. A Calor Gas 15KG bottle in the UK is £53.
I've got a 500w panel in my yard and 2 100 ah leisure batteries. More than enough to run laptop etc, and electric blanket in winter. Not bad for a tiny setup👍😎 definitely saves a few quid
Hang on aren’t the Tories the ones that banned onshore wind farms in the first place? So wouldn’t that make this an admission that they’ve screwed up and put us back a decade in progress towards sustainable homegrown energy?
Wake up! The "sustainable " energy goes into the grid, not to "homes" as they try to make us believe, we compete with German car makers, Belgian chemical factories etc etc so the price goes up, not down!
@@colin4850scotland is self sufficient in green electricity from wind and hydro. We still do fossil fuel electricity for export to England. You could have Google it.
Can onshore 'wind revolution' lower electricity bills? No, they're hopelessly inefficient 1 power station generates hugely more electric than 1000s of wind turbines and obviously isn't dependant on the wind blowing, doesnt need 100 miles of new pylons, infrastructure, etc. We're in this mess because in the early 2000s British governments thought they'd just burn gas to generate electric and didn't bother investing nuclear power. If we were to build nuclear power stations now it would take decades for them to come online and they'd cost a fortune because we'd have to relearn the expertise that we've lost. Typical British politics - save a few pence in the short term and a fortune in the long term.
In terms of energy management, the Tory Government have been asleep at the helm since they started. Gas production from the NS declined over 29% before 2020 there are only 2 Coal stations online and 2 on standby (starting decom) - they must pay carbon tax on this so an expensive method to make up any deficit. Nuke generation in England has been a massive disaster of mismanagement, delays and mega budget overruns. The vast Net zero output of Scotland is now fed through two new electricity cables capable of supplying over 2M homes with Net zero generation, these have been run from Scotland to North England the main one from Peterhead to Yorkshire which will connect to the National Grid and may well also supply Sanook’s mansion and pool.
Offshore turbines going up now produce 12-14MW each. So 71 of them (a midsize wind farm) is the same power as a large nuclear reactor. But the power from a new nuclear reactor costs about 18p/KWh (that number goes up every year) while the power from an offshore wind farm costs 4p/KWh (that numbers goes down every year). Onshore wind btw is about 3p/KWh. And while the turbines are a bit smaller (because it's impossible to move 120m long single piece blades on land) they are much cheaper to put up and install. They max out at 4.2MW at the moment. So each one powers about 2500 homes. Not bad considering you can park them in a field with farming going on around them and they take about a year to build.
We are nearly at 70m people in the UK. This is overpopulation according to our government. Facts. We NEED our land. This is ridiculous. There are too many conflicts of interest (and brown paper bags) with in our elected officials. Most of them have shares in energy. Where was the outrage from our government when oil executives took massive profits when the price of energy sky rocketed? There was none because most of them got their dividends. It’s abhorrent.
These things are usless! Gota power them up to start them which takes huge power off the grid and if there is no wind no power! How are we going to cope with all these ev vehicles drawing what we don't have
We won't cope. They don't want us all in EVs at all. They want us out of private cars completely. People need to wake up to reality. This isn't about the environment or climate. It's about power and control.
Can anyone please explain to me with all this continuing nonsense of reducing energy bills - WHY DON'T NEW BUILD HOMES COME WITH SOLAR PANELLING AS STANDARD??? In fact Gordon Brown made this proposal however long ago it was, and David Cameron decided to scrap it because it would be too expensive. It would take 20-30 years for the investment in solar panelling new constructions to repay itself then continue generating a positive energy income. Also how about passing a bill that prevents energy companies for profiteering from solar panel installations? They can charge the cost for the parts, labour and maintenance only, no extra which they absolutely do from the quotes I was given when I bought my house.
Simple answer. Most of the UK's land is owned by a few select families and they prefer to keep their grip on the land to offset their taxes and claim large cash payments in Government farming subsidies.
Because the Tories are funded by building companies who don't want to have to cut they'd margins by making good quality houses to high standards like other countries do. Short answer: corruption.
@@richardsanders.4624 Not really that simple. I stated new builds - New builds are made on land purchased by the builder with permission from the council, and all new houses built have to follow housing standard regulations, E.G. it was added into those regulations in 2016 that all new builds must now include fibre to the premises. And I genuinely do not believe your claim that most land is owned by a select few families, quite ludicrous otherwise we wouldn't be having any new constructions anywhere.
Utter waste of money and a complete eye sore. They cost a fortune, have a relatively short life and don't work half the time. Oh and give the wealthy land owners buckets of tax payers money. It is a total scam. Tidal has to be by far the most sensible.
Can they reduce power cost - no they wont. Will they reduce dependance on the few nations that produce most fossil fuels - yes a little, and for that they are worth it. However, as each of us uses more and more energy, and as populations increases - both fossil fuels and atomic energy will be needed for a long time into the future. Renewables are only a small part of the solution.
Its the two cars in the driveway when you only need one. Electric power cost is measured at the consumer's meter, for a 24/7/365 supply. Not the generator terminals for a 50% supply.
no as its all privatised and shareholders need bonuses and the ceos of the companies need big wages . heres a question can any one find out how to cut out the broker ie eon or ovo or sctish energy .where we can buy energy direct from them and not a broker as its not national grid iv been trying to find out and i get no where
They are beautiful.They produce the quickest,cheapest and easiest electricity.Why not try living without electricity in your home for a week and see whether your wife,your children,you,prefer living in the 21st century or not !
@@mikehutchison4892 Since you’re assuming my household relies heavily on electricity I’ll assume also…I can say without knowing you my electricity bill will be miles less than yours. And in this free world I’m entitled to my opinion,as you are, and again I say wind farms are a blight on the landscape…and they kill birds.
This myth of cheap wind electrcity is well past it's sell by date. Wind has never and will never be 'cheap'! It's technically not possible to run a grid on wind alone, it needs support by dispatchable generation to keep the grid stable and reliable. As more wind has been added, there is visible deterioration in stability and reliability. It is getting harder for the dispatchable generation to keep the grid online. It will get worse as we lose our nuclear generators in the next few years. Onshore wind produces very little, and going to sites in Scotland where the wind is stonger only makes the restrictions due to the capacity of the grid being unable to carry all the power when it's windy makes little sense. Ther should be a complete ban on any more onshore wind farms. Due to the complete lack of understanding of the technicalies of grid operation by the mainstream media, means the lay public do not get to know and understand the realities of renewables.
... and you have to add the capability for a black start, control of reactive power and providing spinning/instantaneous reserve, the latter one is required for frequency control. Renewables do work to a certain degree but become a hastle if they are overused. Nuclear is not the nicest form of energy, it is the only form of energy for our future.
Cheap and warm when the wind is blowing but the big freeze when it isn't so how many will survive to the nexr windy day. How any system can be considered secure when there is no cogent talk about the storage facilities when we are entirely reliant on the unpredictable vagaries of the weather to supply energy. Solar in the UK when the sun is hardly above the chimneys in Winter even if visible through the clouds seems a non starter. If there is some plan to store enough to supply a UK grid scaled up to entirely replace gas and petrol for possibly months when Mother nature is not playing ball I would love to know.
Except they're far from green, they rely heavily on an engine to start them and keep them turning at a slow speed, and they can't recycle the blades.. no wind no power Great, and they are very heavily subsidised.....
Keep building windmills but reform the corrupt and anti customer energy market. Stop the £1 billion per year given to energy companies for switching off windmills. Here in northern Scotland our mountains are covered in windmills but electricity is kept artificially expensive.
Getting off the teat of the energy companies is the only solution - it is not easy and the government do everything in their power to make it as hard as possible, because theyre in the back pockets of those very same companies.... nothing will change....
Onshore wind is currently the cheapest and quickest form of energy to deploy. Turbines have a 25 year lifespan and can be decomissioned afrer that if no longer required at that point (due to offshore, solar etc veing built) leaving little trace. We need to act quickly for a number of critical reasons.
They have a 25 year design life but in reality last much longer (hundreds of them well over 30 years old in Cornwall & Scotland now). As a design engineer myself, i can tell you it's f**king impossible to design something to last a specific amount of time, all you can do is design it to last a minimum amount of time in the worst foreseeable conditions with the minimum maintenance. In reality, most will never see those worst case conditions and will receive good maintenance so last much longer than that 25 years
@stevec6427 Agreed, but 25 years is the contractual timeline given for the upcoming Ripple turbines at Kirk Hill as an example. The point of my message is that onshore wind may only be needed for 25 years as science may supercede the requirement, but it is needed right now.
@@MinkieWinkle Why does that mean you can't decouple the price? Renewable energy companies have been asking for their pricing to be decoupled, it's the fossil fuel energy producers who have been blocking it
Set aside the actual cost of the land and destruction and desolation that will be caused to the natural habitat and wildlife just to enable these wind turbines to be erected. Not forgetting that they felled sixteen million trees in Scotland just to erect a couple of hundred wind turbines. Sixteen million trees all-consuming copious amounts of CO2 and converting it into much needed oxygen. Chopped down gone forever. Offset the cost of manufacturer maintenance and construction of these wind farms and take into consideration the fact that when the wind doesn't blow, they don't generate power or when the wind is too strong their turned off to avoid overheating. Then equate all these figures and the amount of electricity they will generate against the cost over their lifespan which could be anywhere between 20 and 30 years, compared to the costs to generate the same amount of power from a conventional gas powered, power station (which will still be needed as a backup when the turbines are turned off for any reason) they are probably no cleaner and possibly no cheaper, so what’s the point of them, just to boost the ego of a few out of touch politicians, as and when they attend the next WEF party in Davos. Surely the greenest way forward is nuclear, especially now that technology is so advanced that construction of these power plants Would be nowhere near as prohibitively expensive as they were 10 or 20 years ago.
We should be, and should always have been, developing every form of energy we possibly can! Banning Green energy sounds absolutely insane to anybody with a working brain.
I'm with you to a point, I agree if it is green we should use it , but the blades on these things have a short lifecycle and are unrecyclable , they end up in landfill. In Scotland they have to use diesel motors in them throughout winter to keep them running . It often very hard to do the calculation on the C02 costs in production and running tech vs the savings , and often overlooked in deeming some tech as green.
There is only one green energy, and thats nuclear, everything else requires massive amounts of metal to be dug up from the planet, processed and transported, and then they cant be recylced when they reach the end of life. But of course green cultists either have no clue about these realities or just ignore them.
When will people realise that the "national " grid is exporting electricity produced in Britain! There is no financial benefit for British consumers because the price is set by European, and global companies!!
Oh they wont, because they know we'd say no if the public was informed what was actually involved, the costs and the truth that the only green energy is nuclear once you factor in the whole production, instead of just when they are up and running.
no bills will ever go down . shareholders and greed will never allow it . look at fuel for example ?. OPEC created a shortage deliberately and the prices soar .
Ah but that's the beauty of renewables. They are impossible to monopolise because the barrier to entry is so low. In the past, if your town (say), wanted to set up its own energy supply, that was flat out impossible. The supply chains required to operate a fossil fuel plant are massive and global and dominated by a small number of huge companies. Think mines, processing, plant construction, maintenance, machinery, etc etc No community can do all this do you are reliant on those big greedy corporations, as you say, and you're permanently screwed. But with renewables, all you need to do is buy some solar panels, a wind turbines or two, probably a battery and a connection to the local grid and that's 99% of the job done. Renewables don't just clean up the energy system. They open the door to radically democratising it as well. 😀
I'm a Brit living in Germany, and I can confirm, that the wind farms in Germany are beautiful in the landscape and add to the beauty of the landscape. They are not ugly.
No because Maintenance costs are too high in America British contracts are over running Germany scrapping wind power for coal . It would be better to invest money into fusion research. Plus wind turbines kill sea bird's.
I live in the country side and yes it looks great from a distance but up close it's FCK'D. Go see for yourself. You'll find empty filed after empty field. No livestock , no crops , just empty green fields devoid of life being used by the rich to offset their taxes and claim large cash payments in government farming subsidies. Better wind farms and lower prices then empty field that offers almost ZERO environmental benefits.
Ofgem have failed to - introduce fair pricing - protect People and Business from 3x to 5x price gauging - introduce fairer clearing and contracts for all energy types - develop the Energy market and encourage Infra, Supply and Storage
That's the rights BIG LIE. There is plenty of space here in the UK but the Tories are funded by the rich landowners and THEY don't want them on their land. Maybe tomorrow if you own a car go take a drive outside your town or city and go see for yourself. You'll find empty filed after empty field. No livestock , no crops just empty green fields being used by the rich to offset their taxes and claim large cash payments in government farming subsidies. I know because I live in the country side.
They coexist easily with farming. In fact they can help farmers keep their farms going by providing them extra income in the form of rental for use of some of the land.
When large areas of land are cleared of trees etc to make room for these obscene constructions were harming the environment not saving it. The upset to the balance of the ecology will start to show just at the same time as the CO2 offset in their construction is felt. Lack of wildlife, insects etc cannot be easily measured, no bees = no fruit = no crop for example. This is happening in Norway, the green agenda seems to do more harm than good.
Public support on-shore Wind, that‘s really something new to me. Plenty of space to do off-shore Wind farm, what‘s the point get a big machinery Monster on your back window? I don‘t think UK Haushold will actually need that much electricity, and the heavy industry just doesn’t exist.
There's a building in south London. A skyscraper with 3 wind turbines on the roof. They had to lock them in place. Birds fly past, get sucked in, and chopped up. There were thousands and thousands of dead birds on the far side of the roof.
Bullshit, that was an architects folly which we all laughed at years ago, within 6 months it was turned off because of vibration transmission from sound in operation, there were not "1000's of dead birds" there are however stupid gossip believing humans like you.
There is no excuse to ignore the plain fact that the cost of solar radiation and wind are both fixed forever and clean. It baffles me why there is not a push for farmers to make more money by making land available, where appropriate, for the win-win scenario of a mix of both agriculture and pasture, with solar panels. We need clean cheap secure energy, if is on our doorstep. Why not get on with it?
So it’s illegal to remove a birds nest 🪺 BUT If your the UK government you can shred up as many wild birds as you like with your giant nature grinding turbine So fare 😵💫
This is all well and good but a huge bottleneck to the energy transition right now is electricity transmission, not generation. There is no point building renewable generation if we can’t move the power. The transmission system we have now was built in the 60s to transport coal power to demand centres - now this is all changing and we cannot keep up. £billions spent every year on constraints because of a lack of transmission capacity. If we want real benefits, reform transmission planning.
