Don seems like the kind of dude that would shake your hand and shoot the breeze with you if he was wearing blue jeans and a tee shirt, but you couldn't miss that he's a gentleman.
This just might be the first video where someone has mentioned the McLaren F1 before Jay. I love this channel it's such a gem. Great cars, great houses, and great conversation
Yes! You said it!! Every Ferrari video review never mention pininfarina design. They always say Ferrari design. Finally someone said it right!! If it wasn't for pininfarina. Ferrari wouldn't be where they are today.
I was watching this with my great-grandmother and she said "man that Osborne guy is slow, Put Jay behind the wheel and let's see the ol' yeller car will do".
He has always like the cars, just not the more recent Ferrari sales method that requires you to buy a lesser Ferrari just to even be put on the waiting list for the more desirable models. He said he’s not going to be forced to buy a Ferrari he really isn’t that interested in just to even have a shot at one he is. I wouldn’t play that game either even if I had that kind of money. There are plenty of other Supercars just as good that don’t act so snobby and force you to buy a what is essentially an entry level membership into their exclusive club first to even be able to buy fancier models. I believe they even make you sign a contract regarding who you can sell your used Ferrari too or at least they where trying to enforce that restrictions in some markets.
@@Charlesb88 This was called a right of first refusal and it was only for the special edition cars. Ford does the same thing with the GT and GM does something similar with the C6 Z06 by voiding the warranty if its resold in 12 months. It's always best to give your Ferrari dealer the opportunity to buy your car if you are going to sell it. Ferrari dealers play a big role in future allocations. However, they give back to the owners too in arranging test drives of new models, special events for owners etc. It's a two way street. Ferrari owners know this and are willing to play by those rules to protect their investments.
@@christschool I understood all before as I am familiar with how Ferrari sells their special editions and the rules about reselling them. I was just explaining why Jay doesn''t own modern Ferraris. He has in several interviews that it's not true he hates modern Ferrari's but rather his issue is that he isn't into being forced to buy a lesser Ferrari he isn't really interested in just to get a chance to buy a special edition Ferrari. As such he refuses to play that game. I would feel the same way, if I even had that kind of money. The buyback right if sold under 12 months Ferrari has for new cars doesn't bother me to the same degree since I doubt I'd ever go through the trouble of buying such a Ferrari only to sell it less then 12 months later. Now if Ferrari owners are OK working within the rules of this exclusive club then that's all fine for them as there's nothing illegal about it all. I get the allure of being a part of such an exclusive club but that being said, I tend to agree with Jay here and take the position I really don't need to be a part of this club (if I ever was in a position to afford it anyways).
@@donkeyboy585 true but perhaps it probably was like that many many decades ago. But these days Ferrari dealerships just aren’t like that anymore. My local dealership in Orlando are the sweetest nicest people. I chatted about Ferrari in general to the salesman like we were old friends and their interactions were superb In my opinion. Regardless though if I’d ever meet a snooty dealership I’d still buy the car if I liked it. Jay let that cloud his appreciation for the Ferrari car far too many years of back in the 70’s was snobby to him when he was young and dressed in jeans and a denim shirt.
Top Gear UK did a episode where they looked at alternatives to the 458 Italia. Jeremy Clarkson said he much preferred the Lamborghini Aventador. And James May preferred the McLaren MP4 12C. With Ferrari and McLaren build quality being a bit questionable, I'd have to agree with Jeremy. Thank you.
A friend of my dad had a Fiat Dino Coupé 2.0 liter same age as me. It had 10! Shock absorbers I couldn’t believe it. He never sold it until 1996 then he had to give up his repair shop and asked me how much he could take and I told him that a few weeks before a similar car was sold for 16,800 Swiss Franken. He was really impressed and sold it with bleeding heart.
I grew up here, where this filmed, at 7:50, the beach in background, I spent many an hr on, still walk it often, it's main parking lot, was our drag strip years ago..from west end to gate house, just under a qutr mile...and have about 1000 feet to slow down, with plenty of room, to swing wide, to give even more room to slow down...It odd, knowig all these roads traveled
I particularly enjoyed the incidental compliments about Lotus. handling. As is well known Ayrton Senna had a hand in the NSX's superb handling. He had come to McLaren/Honda from Lotus. Gordon Murray of McLaren F1 fame was an apostle of Colin Chapman as is Adrian Newey, both being head engineers at McLaren. Even Enzo had to move his engines to the back with the successes of the Lotus 25 and the 38 at Indy. At Chapman's death Lotus was the winningest Constructor in F1. I know Jay loves his Elan(s).
Typically enjoy both your shows. On this one, you missed the mark on how special the 458 engine sounds compared to its peers, especially Mclaren, who competed with Ferrari’s naturally aspirated motors using turbos. Yes, they were faster in a straight line but, up to now, none of their models sound as exciting as Ferrari’s non turbo cars, even Ferraris turbo cars. Conversely, Porsche has continued to develop their naturally aspirated models (GT3 RS, etc.) and have truly tipped the experience scale on their side nowadays. But, during 458 production years, no car could beat its glorious sound and unmatched side slip control which made driving heroes out of intermediate drivers like Jay Leno.
They are driving in a very expensive car , and are amazed by the fit and finish. Seriously ! I am just waiting on a good buy on a Aston Martin in the 50K price range . LOL.
Donald I think you broke Jay. I see cracks in his Ferrari Armour. I think if Jay had one for a week he'd agree Ferrari has something others don't but would still resist joining the cult. And I feel the same. Cheers 🇨🇦
Jay has said over and over that he loves Ferraris. We've seen at least half a dozen videos of Jay driving different Ferraris and he enjoys every minute of it. It's Ferrari sales techniques that he's complained about.
I love my 458 spider and mine is also yellow and full carbon fiber, I was thinking on trading for a f12 whith is a similar price but I think I will regret it so I didn't. The 458 handle so great, lots of fun and look really sexy
The NSX is one of the most important supercars ever made…. I feel that the new Lotus Emira will check a lot of the boxes in a similar way, not being revolutionary, but offering similar experience. Don’t knock the Evoa 400/GT either😝 but the 458 has a page to itself record books for me!
@@craigthescott5074 I was comparing the Emira to the original NSX, which was also categorized as underpowered. I don’t remember saying anything about the C8. As far as which one is better value, I feel that’s a bit subjective based on what you’re looking for. Ultimately time will tell which car is the better value. The C8 is definitely faster and well made, but given its reasonable horsepower numbers for a car of that category I really wish they would’ve made a stick. Just to give it a bit more of a pure analog driving experience. If I want to push buttons I’d want something a bit faster 🤣 still very cool car for sure!
@@topend2282 yea I agree with you a manual would have been nice in the C8 but the auto is very fast shifting it almost feels like one long gear. My problem with the lotus is price for performance just isn’t there. And finding somebody to service it will be a problem and very expensive.
@@craigthescott5074 yes when I drove it a few months back I did want a little more power but I was really impressed with everything else. I like how well rounded the c8 is though overall. They have been making great improvements especially in the last 20 or so years, but they totally out did themselves with the C8. One of my buddies has the new e ray coming and I can’t wait to see it
Ferrari treats their customers like crap. They lawyer up if someone wraps the car, they make you buy their low end cars and genuflect your way up to their higher end cars. Jay hates the pretension. When Jay bought his P1, the McClaren guy asked, will you be tracking this? “No”. “Then don’t get the carbon brakes. Just get the steel ones.
@@jamesdellaneve9005 Most Ferrari owners don't put stupid wraps on their cars, but Ferrari isn't going to sue someone unless there is a trademark infringement like the moron did. That was the problem, not that he wrapped the car, but that he messed with the trademarks on the car and then used the car for commercial purposes. Ferrari is protective of their brand, the same as Disney or other companies with valuable brands and as an owner, you like this because it protects the value of your car as well.
@@christschool I actually understand all that. As Jay once said, “I don’t want to have to buy three crappy cars before I buy the one that I want”. They just come off as pricks all the time. David Lee got in trouble with them because of mis reporting. He had to grovel for awhile. Its dumb.
@Ocean Lives That's very funny and an apt example. I went to Paris 10 years ago. I took my mom and daughter. We ate dinner and then said, "Let's go to the Champseleysee, and have some desert."" We go there and I use my French for Dummies and tell the waiter that we just want desert. The manager comes out and kicks us out. I laugh because, we are on vacation.
Design to an extent is truly subjective, but more so its the inherent sense of proportion and the convincing power that it equally inherits about the laws of nature, is what makes some of these designs universally acceptable as Numero Uno! people fathom about the 360 modena, But to me personally, this truly is the league torch bearer after the equally potent Ferrari 355 berlinetta
It's my experience that Jay is, and may have always been, a "fan" of the car as a driving experience as well as the manufacturer, but not so much a fan of the buying rules, qualifications, and limitations. It's my impression that Jay finds more interest in a car as an engineered drivers tool to deliver a driving experience and not so much as a tool for branding and lifestyle. Jay?
What Jay doesn't like about Ferrari is that you have to buy 2 Ferraris that you don't want, and take a depreciation bath on both, in order to be allowed to buy the Ferrari that you actually want.
Yet he was praising Ford for their application policy for the Ford GT and Ford considered how many Ford cars the applicant owned! Also, the Ferrari buying process what he was talking about is for the special limited production cars and Ferrari wouldn't change their policy even for someone like Mr. Leno. But if it's a mainstream Ferrari, then anyone with money can order that car without having to purchase other entry level or pre-owned Ferrari's. This is true for UK, Germany and Philippines.
Put the top down on it Jay and you’ll be able to tell instantly you’re in a 458 Spider )as opposed to the coupe) as soon as you hit a few bumps…… the 458 Spider chassis rigidity is appallingly bad for an exotic mid engined luxury branded car. Mclaren is light years ahead of them in that regard
Unless you're buying an entry level model, Ferrari likes it's customers to grovel and beg to buy their cars. Not sure that's Jay's style. He probably does more in-house service on his F1 than any other owner so he really doesn't like being someone's fool.
Ah ! Osborne ......... James Osborne 🧐 Very enjoyable gentleman . I think l was aware of Jays dislike of these cars was political so to speak . Unfortunately poor Jay is having a very tough time , having omly just recovered from his very traumatic incident at his museum ........a speedy and full recovery Jay .
Gorgeous back drop ! Rhode Island ? Wow ! Jay wont say it but I know the truth as an LA resident myself. Jay is not fond of Ferrari's because of all of posers who buy them as trophies to slow cruise around West LA to show off.
I agree with Leno when he said that Ferraris are great, but Ferrari dealers are the biggest a-holes on earth who act like they're doing you a favor by allowing you to breathe the same air with a Ferrari.
Haven't watched it yet so I'll bet Jay will mention Ferrari owners do not drive them much as opposed to Porsche owners. Next is the way Ferrari dealers pick who they will sell their cars to. He will most likely mention his McClaren as all the supercar he needs or his Porsche 918. I think as a car historian and enthusiast he is denying himself. Ferrari is unique in that most of its existence is for racing. Their early street cars have so much character. He could buy an early example although I can not assume he is able to afford one. Osborne gets it. Now I will watch the video.
@@BubbaSmurft Agree it was like being one number off on each in the lotto. At 1:04 Donald starts the narrative of low mileage Ferrari vs high mileage Porsche. 2012 Porsche 911 Turbo 3824cc/500hp DFI Twin Turbo valued from Hagerty $173,000 in Concours condition. A comparable Ferrari? 2012 Ferrari 458 $364,000 Concours from Hagerty. The Porsche is a bargain. Lol, at 2:47 Jay mentions the McLaren, and mentions “for him” the “excellent dealer relations and service”. Of course that isn’t a knock at Ferrari dealers, is it? At 20:07 Jay starts talking about high mileage Porsches. Another Lol. at 20:21 what is Jay talking about? He is talking about used Ferrari with low miles. I guess I missed it by a mile huh?
Wonder what it's like to be so renowned in car culture that Ferrari would like you to own their cars but you choose not to. Jay wears his blue collar proudly. 👍
This car doesn't have the buttock clinching seats.😂🤣 Very nice car. When Jay drives. Yeah. Very un Ferrari like. McLaren's look like these cars. Oh well.👍🤑😎😝❤🥰
I have driven many cars but not a Ferrari one day I may rent one but never buy one because everything so expensive after the purchase but I would buy a Porsche lol 😂. German cars are better 😊
No matter how much coaxing I get from other people - I just can't get into the Enzo , as good as it may be. First it looks like the Snout of an Ant Eater, and its just trying to be too many things - you can't try to have F1 performance, but be the greatest road car at the same time. It's kind of like a Serial Killer who's murdered 30 people, and develops a cure for Cancer from jail - I can respect that you did that, but it doesn't excuse your crimes..
Jay Leno not owning a Ferrari of any model (1949-2023 there are many models obviously) I dont understand his perspective other than him specifically criticizing the new buyer program Ferrari uses but I have an idea why he has avoided the marque.
He's just a grumpy old man with a deep 30 year old personal grudge over a dealership not giving him the special treatment. He was criticising the Ferrari buyer program while he praised Ford for the Ford GT buyer program and both had similar methodologies. Extremely biased from him, don't know why other's haven't caught this bias from him!
This feels like Driving Miss Daisy, but with a know to much driver. Donald's great, but when did he last change a set of breaks? Ferraris? Jay buys what Jay likes. He doesn't want to HAVE TO buy 3 cars, just to buy the ONE that he wants.
That's BS. Mine has been rock solid, as has been those owned by friends. In fact, mine is the most reliable car I've ever owned. Once a year service and very few problems.
