I kinda wish the "virgin" side was not only for religious reasons but were for identities like asexuality and being able to see what different perspectives on intimacy could be.
@@noemisadventures206 I think they just worded it badly. They probably mean being a virgin by choice because of asexuality. Generally speaking you can be asexual and have sex anyways, but then again why would you want to?
I mean it could be interesting to see perspectives. I'm not saying it based off of "choice" of being a virgin or difficulty level of anything but it could level a view of how folks view sex.
bro wat. u should watch this cut truth or drink with pornstars and their partners. nathan's relationship is one of the healthiest relationship there can be.
I found the idea of “not everyone should watch porn” interesting as it made me think of my friends who just shouldn’t watch horror movies as it really affects them negatively (like literally makes them anxious and paranoid etc..)
I love that they talked about that. How porn is just entertainment not reality and how it has a negative effect on people. I always felt like a prude or left out to admit that I dont like watching it
This goes to the heart of so many things. Porn is a tool. It can be used well. It can be abused. Simply because some people abuse it, doesn’t mean no one should have access to it or the tool is inherently bad. In the same way as there’s bad and unethical porn, some tolls are badly made some are not. But it doesn’t mean the tool is inherently bad and should be banned.
@@MikeCruzable This is false. Pornography is inherently destructive. It’s not just entertainment. Some things belong in the privacy of a bedroom away from the eyes of the world. This is one of them.
@@katethegreat4918 it might be false for YOU but it is not objectively false. Many couple - married and not married - have benefited from using porn as a tool. Many people with various medical conditions or people in a variety of situations have benefited from it. It’s also helpful for the occasional entertainment for some people. What’s unhealthy is obsessive use, addiction, or extreme or unethical porn exposure to people who are undereducated or too young, or porn paired with bad sex education/bad parenting. But again, like any tool, this is true. This is also true of most medical drugs, this is also true of marihuana, alcohol, and cigarettes. This is also true of exercise, or eating, or shopping. This is even true of religion as we all know what cults and fundamentalism can create. Excess and abuse is one thing, the tool is something else.
Agreed. This Made their side of the argument Stale . I always Pause these Videos in between different prompts and Try to check and form an opinion & in This Episode The Virgin side didn't gave me any fruitful inputs.
Tbh, almost 90% of people that are virgins are that because of religion. Others are probably virgins because they can't get laid ( incels) it'll be really difficult to find a person that isn't a virgin because of religion.
I agree. For a lot of people, they're virgins because it just hasn't happened yet. For me, I don't want to engage in sex until I find someone that I have a strong emotional bond with. That doesn't mean they're gonna be my forever person, but I have to be emotionally attracted to them. And that hasn't happened yet for me
I wish there was a virgin on this episode that was a virgin due to choice not necessarily religion. That would've given another interesting perspective
Yes, I'm atheist virgin I'm over forty, ex lingerie model just to give some background. I chose a non piv sx lifestyle as a woman, but I've been with thousands of men. I'm also an ex sx worker.
Yes, but they chose religious virgins bc they have the opposite stance of sex workers. An atheist virgin for example wouldn't have any problem with sex work, making for a boring discussion. They try to have ppl from opposite ends of the spectrum to see if they can discuss and find any middle ground.
This is one of the most mutually respected videos I've watched on middle ground. Neither side was harshly judging anyone and they were laughing and learning together.
It would have been interesting to have this discussion with sex workers and people who are virgins for a non religious reason. I guess it's a different discussion but it would be really interesting
agreed, nearly every episode of Middle Ground has some religious involved, and I felt somehow tired about that. I am really hoping there can be more arguments that is not "because the Bible say"
I was thinking the same thing! I'm a person who is a virgin by choice because I'm very selective about who I want to have that level of intimacy with. I've dated people and after even one month (sometimes a couple weeks) of dating them, it's revealed they've been putting up a front and they're clingy or hostile or looking to me to "fix everything wrong in their lives", and it's an immediate turn off. I've also had people say "I love you" when I'd been dating them for a short time (a week) and that just ruined the relationship for me. I'm now finally in a new city and great job and everything, and the pandemic is happening, so that's put my dating on hold. I'd love to see nonreligious virgins who aren't like the psycho "he has to be tall, dark, handsome, with a 401K, and who texts perfectly,etc" sort of high maintenance ppl.
Wouldn't it be more interesting to have virgins have this discussion with virgins for religious reasons? In my opinion hearing why people are virgins for different reasons would be cool.
As a Christian I am exhausted from having these conversations and only caring about how it affects men. I had a porn addiction from the time I was 12, and I KNEW that I as a girl could not get help from my church bc of the judgement and stigma that would come after. We shouldn’t only worry about how the things in this world are affecting our boys and men, we ALL deserve that.
@Cece_24 yes, porn addiction exists, but only so far as you can get addicted to say food or gaming, but imo it's far more likely (generally speaking) that you've been peer pressure shamed by our sex negative culture into believing you're doing something wrong... exactly how gay people were shamed into believing homosexuality is a mental disorder or child molestation for example... if you're not physically hurting yourself or watching illegal material, then you're doing great watching porn... imo :)
@Kevin Cobb kind of, it just woke me up to realizing these are real people with jobs. The fantasies went away. There is a vice doc about Japanese porn stars. In it , one of the male Japanese porn stars was asked if he would ever like his daughter doing porn. He said something along the lines of : " yes, only if she wants too. She has to realize that porn is a job though. That we have to go back a take certain shots again and again and again...."
I love how respectful everyone is towards eachother :) it's nice to see people have a conversation rather than yelling at eachother, like a lot of these videos tend to be like
As somebody who is saving sex for marriage for religious reasons I think it would be far more interesting to have virgins saving themselves for other reasons as well. I'd like to hear their perspective.
Agreed. Btw, just out of curiosity, as someone who's choosing to wait for marriage for religious reason, what's your opinion about countries that make it a criminal offense to do it before marriage? Personally, I don't see anything wrong with waiting until marriage, though I think it's important for such choices to be voluntary
I was a virgin for a while. Initially saving myself for marriage but eventually I decided I wanted to save myself for a boyfriend that loved me and I loved them. I’m glad I made that choice and don’t regret it. I no longer will have sex with anyone outside of a relationship where we both professed that we love each other... but won’t necessarily wait for marriage. Side note: I found that the shame I faced for having sexual thoughts really hurt me in the long run. I still have a fear of using tampons. I don’t really know the anatomy of my vagina..never put a finger or inserted anything myself up there. I always have this fear & I know that came from saving myself.
Agreed! I'm one of those people. I've dated casually and I've never felt compelled to be intimate with any of them for various reasons. I've had their true colors come out before even considering intimacy and then ended thing shortly after, I've had clingy, controlling, lying about smoking/drug use, lied about not being an alcoholic, no job, sketchy job "car part salesman" aka drug dealer, emotionally manipulative/abusive/gaslighting, and one saw me as their substitute for going to therapy/medication/getting their life together. So basically, my attempts at dating all ended in uncovered lies and varying degrees clinginess and disrespect. I'm a virgin because the guys all played their hands way too quickly. I won't let anyone get to the deeper intimacy with me until they're genuine with me. I had a shot before the pandemic to date someone but their true colors became evident the second we couldn't be in person due to lockdown. 🤷🏻♀️. I can wait. I have solid friends and family and coworkers, so it's not like I'm bored without dating right now
@@cosmeticaffairs7220 exactly! You put it perfectly how I feel as well! I want to wait until a committed relationship where I love my partner and WANT to be intimate with them in that way.
@@HouseMDaddict I relate to both your testimonies before I became a christian. I love sex so I thought I could just casually date. But the thought of a random/unworthy person touching me like that was just so eew everytime I came close to do it.
I actually think it's better this way, in this context, neither side is inherently against the other, but if it was pro sex work vs anti sex work, then there is a side obviously being attacked here,, it's like if you were to have gay people vs homophobes, one of the sides is very obviously attacked and antagonize by the other side,,, I believe having a more level ground of "here's two ways of viewing and interacting with sex that can coexist" instead of a pro xyz vs anti xyz concept which pits them against each other, often with one of the sides facing overt hate,, but that's just my take on it I guess
I'm so happy to see Nathan here again. He seems like such a nice, respectful person, I remember him from the video with his fiancé. The love and appreciation he expressed towards her was so heartwarming. He is great at expressing himself and is very empathetic. Great guy!
“Keep that pussy on lock.” Lmao. This was a heartwarming and productive episode. As someone who had premarital sex and is now happily married, to me, it’s more intimate when we cuddle and laugh than when we have sex.
Sex becomes less meaningful to you when you share it with someone you don't love. In other words, you value it less or not value it at all. Your perspective is proof. It's just like anything else. For example, food. We take food for granted because we are so used to having it until it's gone. When there is a lack of sex all of a sudden it becomes important.
Not too too different if you believe the stereotype that goes with being a nurse/working in hospital settings, which is that everyone is banging everyone in those workplaces lol
i find some of the arguments kinda weird tbh. like that one girl saying about how when violent men have sex, it can help calm them down. i’m sorry but if you are an angry & violent person, you need therapy, not sex. sex is temporary so that will only temporarily fix your anger. and then when that other girl said how sex work saves marriages. honestly i’d rather my partner divorce me & go through that whole shitty experience rather than finding out they are cheating on me bc for whatever reason they feel like they cannot communicate their needs to me.
I personally didn't see it that way. I thought she was more so saying that sex is just another way to release pent up stress that could potentially express itself in physical aggression, etc. Not that they specifically wanted to hurt someone and that sex is an alternative to doing that. Because of you really wanted to hurt people, sex isn't going to deter you from that.
@@etherealnerd but physical aggression is a massive issue in and of itself. if you are physically aggressive, you could hurt somebody & imo that potentially requires therapy, or maybe something else that isn’t sex. why tf should you be physically aggressive when you are stressed? my mum is a very stressy person but you don’t see her punching anybody. that behaviour is not ok, is unacceptable & sex will not fix your issue of physical aggression.
@@etherealnerd why anyone would want to release their stress at the expense of having someone sexually? Maybe it is not "intimacy" which soothes the anger but a feeling of dominance over someone vulnerable before you?
@@prod.bexerk8997 I’m a Christian we aren’t crazy lol we just have different beliefs the ones who are rude and horrible are the ones going against what our religion says I love and respect everyone no matter there sexuality, religion, or anything like that even if I don’t agree with it
@@lapris7380 😅😅😭I just red my comments again it's sounds way different then I thought in my head, what meant to say is that I expected the sex workers to be super aggressive towards the virgins when they said the were Christians
Same for the religious virgins though, they didn't represent the ones who insult, scoff and demonise sex work. There are extreme case scenarios in both sides. The religious virgins were the nicest bunch they could have found but we both know that a lot of them wouldn't have been this sweet to the sex workers.
I don't think anyone on this panel is for slavery, which is what sex trafficking is. Let's not conflate voluntary sex work with forced or coerced sex work.
@@e.pluribusunum7916 mmmmm... We can have different perspectives, and that's okay! You can get trafficked in many ways. I work with a lot of victims who were voluntary at first and then it all got out of control. I don't believe there is a lot of instances where sexwork is voluntary (i was in the field for 10 years), and I think it's kind of gross to glamourize the industry as an empowering choice for women who have the money and safety to do it that way, all while women and children are still suffering, sacrificing their bodies for survival.
I mean, one side is consenting and one side isn't. It's like saying you want one side to be people who have had sex and one side to be people who were r@ped.
@@E.primordial94 That's like saying we should stop having sex, because there are people who r@pe. Have you ever considered the fact that trafficking wouldn't be such a thing, if prostitution were legalised? There would be so many regulations involved, that they wouldn't be able to hide away as easily. Sometimes, making things illegal doesn't make it dissappear; it just makes it worse.
nathan's demeanor and respect, curiosity and open attitude was so attractive in a person. I feel like his corn is probably so much better than the average main strean video because of this background info on who he is!
this episode made me so happy!! the way they all asked genuine questions and were so respectful to one another 💌 it must have been a memorable moment for all of them (the hug at the end was extremely cute!)
I know, that moment shook me. They do it because they’re opportunists that know they can get away with it. Imagine the sex worker claiming that the police officer who caught her and took her in raped her. People will likely think she’s just trying to stir trouble and she won’t be believed.
That's not even taking into consideration how often cops will just turn away sex workers who have been raped. Saying stuff like "you asked for it." "that's part of the job" or other victim blaming crap.
Bruh with her being a sex worker, I would imagine she knows a LOT of other sex workers. Like, not trying to invalidate what she said, but maybe a bit because I highly doubt it's true
@@ItachiUchiha-sh6of It shouldn't be "part of the job", of course. Still, I think that the risk is part of the job. Kinda like if you were an insane stunt person, and then broke a leg. When you're then complaining to the hospital worker, I imagine they would still feel bad, but also be like "damn bruh kinda a risk of the job eh?". Not quite the same thing but I mean it is simply an insanely higher risk in that job and unfortunately that's just how it is. Also not saying the cop shouldn't help the sex worker, but like prob wouldn't feel the same way as if a different person had a similar experience.
@Nixulluve Assuming "almost every" is about 90%, you're saying about 90% of sex workers have gotten raped by cops? Not saying that's impossible, but I am because that's like, pretty impossible
I can understand both sides except the part about sex with a sex worker saving marriage. If you’re married, you’re basically cheating and that’s so unfair to the partner. Not trying to generalize sex workers. Just saying, we shouldn’t normalize adultery.
I don't agree with you. There are health conditions where human touch is painful and in those situations the other partner still has sexual desires then sex workers can save the marriage if it is talked about between the couple in these situations. It allows the other partner to still get that sexual desire they may have
The only reason why I’m still a virgin is not religious or marital at all. I just haven’t found someone who I feel is worthy enough for me to give it up. I crave giving it to someone I love and who loves me, that would be an experience worth waiting for xx
Everyone in this episode was so sweet and supportive of eachother. AND actually willing to hear out the others sides opinions and perspectives and further questioning them. I want to be friends with everyone in this video!
As a virgin ace, I feel like there's a whole other side to this conversation that's getting missed since the only virgins in the conversation are religious. Nothing against the religious stand point, it's valid, duh, but not everyone is a virgin for religious reasons. To me, sex work is so alien of a concept for someone who experiences life like me that it's kind of fascinating. Like how someone might be fascinated by a great magician. I have no idea what's going on but I'm here for you doing you boo and I have a million and a half questions.
Yeah that's where I'm at in this conversation as well! Like sex work is such a wild but interesting field of work to me. It's so crazy to me that people really get naked and touch privates but also it's super valid and I wouldn't discourage it.
i think this conversation was about whether or not sex workers and religious people who were anti sex could see eye to eye. As for someone who is asexual this kind of conversation would be one of endearment, not disagreement. the point of the yt channel is for people who have polarizing beliefs to come together and talk about their own experiences. typically people who are of religious or spiritual faith have very conservative ideas when it comes to sex. I to was hoping to see an atheist talk about the sort of topic.
Thank you! Literally came to the coments searching for this. And I totally agree. I would have loved it if they had included a virgin ace and where that would have led the discussion
So glad the issue with trafficking was brought up. I wish they had spent more time talking about that because it really is a huge problem that needs more attention. Unfortunately the sex industry plays a part in that and will continue to unless people do something about it. Sex work should only EVER be by choice
This is a difficult topic and is not one that i feel sex workers have to tackle alone. Let's say I'm a farmer raising cruelty free chickens. Am i also responsible for the millions of farmers who are raising chickens in the most inhumane way? I don't think I have the power, nor the sway, nor the obligation to shut down or change those other farms. I can only be responsible for my chickens and my farm, not the world's.
@@MistaZULE yeah, I never said they did have to tackle it alone. But the industry is blended like that, so they do carry a bit of responsibility being a part of that industry because the industry itself makes things like trafficking easier. As a chicken farmer it says a lot about your ethics if you don't just care about your own backyard, but you work towards ethics in the community altogether. But also, unethical chicken farming is not even comparable to sex trafficking.
@@Charlie-tq9yb that's not how it works. Trafficking is forcing people to *work* Many people choose it, and many don't Sex work is not, by definition, by choice.
Hey it’s Jake. The reason why I am strict with my sexual views is for my personal growth. I don’t look down on anyone that does it differently. Much Love ❤️
I appreciate that you are open about it because there are many guys out there who are ashamed and feel as if they are disadvantaged because of the stereotypes surrounding virginity.
About the "we (escorts) save marriages" part. I think it only saves a marriage if both can agree, that they aren't happy with their sex lives anymore but don't want to break up because of it. If they talk about going to an escort service and are okay with their partner having sex with someone else then why not. But if it's happening without telling your partner and they find out about it through another way, it can be really hurtful and trust breaking and then this is the reason why they even got divorced.
I agree completely, open and transparent communication is always best in any relationship. However, I imagine in some of those cases, if one partner came to the other with ‘it’s okay that you don’t want to have sex with me, I still love you and want to be with you, but I also want to get my needs met’ would still end that relationship because monogamy is seen as the default and the risk that through that intimacy, that partner might fall in love with someone else and leave them.
@@aaronweiss3294 not necessarily. there are polygamous people who are in marriages too. I think it's great that people are becoming open about their polygamy, instead of cheating on their partners. and I do agree with the comment you replied to, that escorts only save a marriage if both partners know what's happening and are okay with it.
Totally agreed with Nathan. Better sex education better parenting. I’d rather my 3 kids have a super uncomfortable conversation with them instead of them learning from porn or their friends
Anytime y'all do things with virgins, they're always hella religious. The conversation always boils down to what Christians think about sex. Where are the asexuals or the virgins that wish they weren't a virgin or the virgins that's are struggling to find someone to have sex with? Not every virgin is a virgin by choice. Not all virgins are Christians.
This thank you. There are so many people who just haven’t found someone they love enough to give their virginity too. That’s most virgins.The religious people are the extreme side.
@@peagames2002but from that husbands pov - he can not force his wife to give him sex , and if sex is a requirement for him his only alternatives are to get it elsewgere or end relationship
I am blown away by how respectful everyone here was. I think this is the first Jubilee episode where I didn’t hear one sideways comment or any form of disrespect. It was so genuinely uplifting and they were all so well spoken. Thank you to everyone in the video!
I'm a 21yr old virgin and I don't see virginity till marriage as something amazing nor do I put it on a pedestal. But I do know science have proven that sex with people who u r attached to emotionally is much better than random sex. Th marriage part is mostly a religious thing rather than a morality thing. Being a virgin isn't a measure of how pure a person is but neither is it a bad thing. Having sex before marriage isn't a bad thing either. I hate virgin shaming and sl*t shaming people.
Hi Sunny! I can definitely say sex is not something to be put on a pedestal because even though it is one of the most beautiful forms of intimacy, it is not the only one. I waited until I found my life partner and it was not intentional and that emotional connection makes it amazing because you don’t seek others at all. Stay virgin if that’s what you want because it is a beautiful thing to experience with someone who you truly love and loves you.
@@Ellieprez I agree with u. I'm just going with the flow tbh I'm not depressed cuz I'm not having sex nor am I gonna abstain from it intentionally. Emotions do matter alot. Some marriages last while some don't. Idk how my life is gonna be but if I want to have sex it's gonna be with someone who I love and who loves me alot.
I think it's much safer to have sex with someone you're emotionally connected to (not necessarily married, but at least in a more serious relationship where the two of you already know each other well enough), because it can be very dangerous to have that type of intimacy with someone you just met at a nightclub or something. You must first know if the person is violent, unreliable, jealous, controlling or has any other character flaws before going to bed with them.
Why do you assume sex workers who left the profession will be against it? I’m sure it’s a demanding but lucrative job which some might not want to do forever - doesn’t mean they hate it. If someone quit a travelling circus for a more normal life you wouldn’t assume they hated working in the circus - so why do you assume former sex workers hated their proffesion? I know several ex strippers who don’t hate it at all but they’ve moved on with life.
1 - Nathan is a very a open-minded person and he knows what he says and what he stands for 2 - there's nothing Wrong with being a sex worker as long as you're protecting your body, and at the end of the day everybody is free to do what they want,
@@dave1T I wouldn't mind. would you ? wow, its 2022 I thought we were beyond this by now, especially the western countries. why would you mind ? besides, nobody is forcing you to go "associate with them in public" if you don't want to.
@@dave1T your question makes no moral sense, I don't judge people based on their jobs I only care about how they think, and these sex workers are seem very open-minded I'd definitely love to hang out with them
As someone who’s been sexually assaulted and has a very mixed relationship with my body and sexuality...this has been such a heartwarming conversation to watch tbh. Thank you guys for hosting this because sex in general can be a very touchy subject. The sex workers and the people who are virgins were so open and understanding...overall I’m happy and a little emotional in the best way possible
I really wish they got virgins who were either virgins not by choice, or virgins who aren’t interested in sex, or just virgins who weren’t virgins purely for religious reasons
I feel like virgins who aren't virgins by choice would agree with the sex workers a lot more tbh, would still be interesting but I listen for the disagreements as that's what I believe drives the fruitful conversations on this channel
5:09 I disagree here. You aren't "saving a marriage" by being the sex worker the husband hires to get his rocks off. That doesn't fix their lack of connection, trust, and lust with their partner. I argue that men in those situations need to learn to leave those situations instead of just satisfying their pleasures elsewhere. Also I doubt any of those wives would love that their husband was seeking sex elsewhere instead of communicating their needs or actually leaving the relationship first before cheating.
And she agreed that she wouldnt like to be married to a dude who hires someone else for sex... Then why do to others something you know its not right in terms of morals?
@@MrCheesecake1928 because its a morally grey issue rather than a black and white one. Who knows maybe the husband loves everything about his wife and doesnt want to leave her but also really enjoys sex that his wife cant provide to him. Or maybe the marriage is failing and he should leave the wife for someone else. Noone knows what kind of value sex holds to those men, especially not her. She doesnt have the knowledge to judge whether its the right choice or not.Thats something the husbands should realise themselves since theyre the ones who know their own situations the best.
@@tibi9733 exactly..studies show that not all men that cheats/have sex with another woman while married means that they don't unconditionally love thier spouse.. on the other hand if a woman cheats there's a way higher chance that she doesn't love her spouse and is just using him.. .... It is still wrong for men to cheat. Tho
@@h3llboyyy407 not really ,some are demi sexuals , asexuals or simply stucked in a super religious society and cant experience the sexual experience freely without being shamed or even puting their lives in danger
@@somebrid2147 depends, some might say being asexual is perversion of the natural order by not feeling attraction/desiring sex with others whilst others would praise it as a pinnacle of godly purity
@@somebrid2147 Its pretty much abstinence. In one of the books written by Paul I believe he mentions some are called to lead a life of abstinence but its usually not because they lack desire.
@@levinorton8676 are you saying that asexuality is the same as abstinence or that christians see it as abstinence? because if you meant the former, that isn't the case at all. a lot of asexuals have sex, they just don't have sexual desire or they don't have as much sexual desire as an average allosexual.
I understand that peoples wives or partners owe you no loyalty but to sit there and say that you're in support of people cheating on their partners in order to "save" their marriage Is wrong on so many levels.
Is it possible to do a video on people who waited till marriage and ended up getting divorced & ask if they regret waiting till marriage, what they learned, if they still have the same views on waiting till marriage, if they would recommend it (after what they’ve experienced), etc.
Yes! I wish I could remember the article I read awhile back but this woman waited til marriage & got divorced like 5 years later. Basically she said she had to learn what she liked & didn’t because she always went towards what her husband like
I wasn’t expecting this, but this genuinely went so much better than I thought it would. Everyone was so friendly and respectful to eachother. It was really nice to see.
If anything this video shows how we as people can have civilized conversations about sex. Having conversations like this should be normalized, and I’m not talking about having sex or not having sex being normalized, but more of being able to talk about it honestly and being able to express opinions.
i'm sorry-and without any disrespect to the woman who said this-in what world is having an affair with a sex worker going to save someone's marriage? adultery is a leading cause of divorce! if during a lull or difficult time my husband decided to be intimate with another person behind my back, THAT would end the marriage. i can't even begin to understand her logic or line of thinking
Not to mention that cheating causes way more damage to the other person than just ending a failed relationship, and I think most people who have been cheated on would agree, including myself. Her point made absolutely no sense.
One this is almost correct cheating is not the leading cause of divorce getting caught is. Two you seem to lack the ability to see circumstances other than your own where this would be a viable option especially if the spouse was informed beforehand. I’m not saying cheating is ok but in some cases it’s not the worst option.
As someone who's ace, I'm honestly so surprised that a few of them actually referenced asexuality, like, even the "sex is something almost everyone engages with" or however they said it, but they didn't say it was everyone, and I just really appreciate that they actually acknowledged that asexuality is a real legit thing in this
I’d love to see too a hypersexual/ someone who really enjoys sex VS asexuals, and the different perspectives of the intimacy and the connection VS the non-need to, and distaste toward it I also think a [people attracted to women] VS [people attracted to men] would be pretty interesting too, and then maybe bring in the bisexuals/ people into enbies as the translator type haha
Aella is absolutely gorgeous and she seems so kind and down-to-earth. Everyone here seemed to know exactly what they were talking about. Avery is interesting too. Sex workers seem to have an entirely different life philosophy. I can definitely understand the complication of sexuality and Judeo-Christian religions.
i’m just curious, not trying to be accusatory but is there a reason you said judeo-christian instead of just abrahamic? like was islam excluded for a specific reason?
@@efemenaipoko2205 I wish I could be more open with my sexuality but I don't think I could do it. I know variety is the spice of life, I just don't think I want to sleep with too many people.
how is being a virgin extreme lol what. If everyone had no sex before marriage it would equate to lower divorce rates, less single mother households, larger family units and lower crime rates
@@elizabethchwakanowski5067 it's not even an opposing view. not all virgins are against sex work. but maybe they looked for virgins who are specifically against sex work, idk. would explain why they only chose religious virgins.
Me and my partner have been together for 3 years and haven’t had sex for the past year. We ultimately lost sexual attraction to one another but love each other more than anything. Sex is not something every couple needs in order to be in a happy and healthy relationship. Don’t feel pressured to think sex is the most important part of a relationship- for me at least, it’s about the emotional connection and love you share for eachother
@@Sarah-po7ik I mean the fact yous said you lost sexual attraction for each other and haven’t had sex in the past year does give the impression your partner is getting it from else where you don’t just lose sexual attraction for someone you love
So, sex CAN be the ultimate form of intimacy, in fact in many relatioships it is. But it doesn't have to be in every relationship. In fact even in the relationships where it is other factors contribute to building that intimacy. Basically intimate sex is what you can achieve but the sex is not responsible for building the intimacy, it is merely the fruit of it.
This is just my opinion, but even though I agree that sex is a great form of intimacy, intimacy itself can be interpreted and shown in many different ways. It's not always about just doing it full force or taking your time, enjoying the foreplay or "build up", if you will. I've never had sex, but I know this is something I want when both my partner and I decide on it mutually.
This is by far one the best middle ground episodes you've done. People went in willing to listen, to educate, and to change their minds. Not just argue their positions and clap back at the other side.
So impressed with Aella. Rudy and Avery too. It's often the groups you "least expect" who are the most well-spoken, collected and calm on this channel. You learn so much about life in the trenches, more than most do in sheltered places. That said, Angie and the others were also thoughtful and fair!
I like how Nathan explained intimacy,i feel the same way or have the same idea of intimacy,i feel intimacy is understanding and really caring for someone,sex is just an act of showimg that intimacy and like being with them physically
I saw a show on YT where many of the prostitutes claimed that over 50% of their clientele were married men. The vast majority of them also don’t work with what they call “AA’s” - which is African Americans.
Couldn't click fast enough. Nathan is just the cutest, he's just so happy to be there. And I kinda wish yall didn't cut Avery when she said "every sex work she knows who has had an encounter with the cops has been raped by the cops. People need to 1. Heard that and 2. Think about that. I feel you rushed that point
Agreed lmao I think that's something we as humans think so the idea of not being faithful and practicing restraint is gratified. I felt what she said but yea im NOT gonna be any happier if my wife cheats on me with a stranger OR an Escort at the end of the day 😂
If the husband never got sexual gratification from a partner, he would end the marriage. Since he's able to get that gratification from someone, he's able to stay with his wife. Maybe his wife knows about it and is ok with it. Or what the wife doesn't know won't hurt her.
You will be surprise, a lot of millionaires' wives or politicians' wives usually allow their husband to mingle with the escort girls. But is it save their love life? I don't know either lol
@@idontknowmyname.9202 And they are suffering. They are afraid to be unmarried, it's not something that they want. Funny how it's always acceptable for guys, if the story was reversed and the women were caught cheating those men wouldn't even try to stay to save their marriage. Honestly women take too much nonsense, we need to stand up for ourselves against selfish greedy men like you
She said sex work could save marriages, but she also mentioned it as being a band aid on an issue in their relationship. I don't see a band aid "saving" a marriage. It seems like a quick easy short-term solution to a long-term issue. I understand her view, but counseling and therapy is one of the better avenues for such issues.
Willie Leon that’s odd lol. & I was more so commending them on not getting oddly/rudely defensive as most do on topics pertaining to sex. You sarcasm wasn’t necessary lol.
Came across this channel recently and I just love this concept. The open end conversations about literally any topic, sharing ideas, thoughts, beliefs, without judgement, and even being open to look the other side of things which you wouldn't have otherwise is just amazing. We need more openness and inclusively like this in our generation.
When she said “we save marriages” that’s when I drew the line, that’s what breaks marriages not fixes them, if u r not being pleased by ur partner talk to them! If nth works divorce ! Adultery/cheating isn’t Noble tf?
@@theguywhoisaustralian1465 Correlation does not equal causation. Maybe legalised prostitution means degenerate men are comfortable with sex workers and don't get into relationships that lead to marriage. It doesn't indicate "prostitution is the antidote for a failing marriage!"
@@sjb_92 Hey, she said like Right After That Point, that it's NOT an antidote for marriage, like not at ideal at all. I don't think she expressed that point in the best way either, but I get what she meant. It preserves it on paper for a time, but is not ideal in a monogamous committed relationship.
Is no one going to talk about the horrendously bad take that sex work “saves lives” by giving violent men intimacy ???? Consent should never be a commodity, but least of all commodified for violent misogynists - surely this is not a controversial opinion????
I'll play "devil's advocate" so to speak. An argument could be made that visiting a sex worker could be a healthy Avenue for stress relief. Much like playing violent videogames or sports. Its also been said that the advent of the internet also helped reduce violent crime. So I think thats more what they were referring to.
@@ItachiUchiha-sh6of I know that’s what they meant I just think that is a terrible take lol. I think it is very wrong to compare sex - which should involve ONLY consenting adults - to hobbies like you mentioned, which don’t involve intimate physical relationships. Also I’m interested to know where you’ve seen the internet reduce violent crime?
The biggest problem with sex is often lack of communication. Successful sex workers have to become very skilled in clear, direct communication regarding their body/sex and I think that is something all of us not in that career path should really learn and embrace. I can’t even begin to imagine how many relationships (one night stands, marriages, friends with benefits, etc) would be improved by that level of openness.
@@imanigordon6803 okay? And? She explained a little more what she meant by it, also what does that have to do with my question and this person's comment???????
Jubilee needs to bring more non-religious people to these Middle Grounds. I’d like to hear from people that aren’t so heavily motivated by the fear of hell. Like where are the people who are virgins because they are asexual, people that are virgins because they are incels, people that are virgins because they are waiting to be in a committed relationship. Also I’m an atheist (former Christian) so the Christian/religious arguments are pretty much meaningless to me
But like. Is there a non-religious virgin who would disagree with the sex workers? I'm atheist (sometimes anti-theist) and I don't give a shiet what other people do for a living.
It absolutely can save marriages. If someone in a marriage could no longer perform sex, whether it be through a disability, illness or by choice, and the partner still needed to have sex. Through communication and consent, the partner can seek out a professional sex worker to have their needs met, while still being in their marriage.
This might be my new favorite episode of Middle Ground honestly. Everyone seemed to really try to understand where the others were coming from and respect their choices. The fact that we had one of the virgins talk about masturbating and another one talk about wanting to decriminalize sex work is just really amazing. It just felt like there was a lot of love here
1) sex workers do not save marriages. 2) I want to know how many sex workers come from stable, healthy, financially secure families, and have never been financially challenged at any point in their lives. Those are the people I want to hear from.
Name 10 people, any profession, that grew up with with all of the criteria that you listed. Having or not having all of those things do not guarantee an outcome . Ijs
THhis was the calmest, most respectful conversation I've seen about this. How the virgins and sex workers more respectful than the Christians and the non-christians?!
