Has training been watered down for females? Should the USA Start a Foreign Legion Unit. Work Your Way to Citizenship? French Foreign Legion Training - ru-vid.com/group/PLeU0ya-0QaySkhIoSOXy40CW_jYcrwJkv
Yes it has...and women should not, under any circumstances, be allowed in high-load combat arms units (Infantry, special operations, etc.). These MOS's are meant for men. Sorry...our bodies are different. 1) Hygeine requirements for women vs. men. 2) Men are built to carry more. 3) Men are more emotionally equipped to deal with battlefield situations.
@@davidweyer79 lmfao malakas like you who still think they live in the 60s/70s have no clue what so ever. How about America for once minds its own business and just fks off completely...sounds good Idiots have anything and everything possible whats next huh a colon force or maybe even a fallopian tube spec ops?
Yes, I’ve witnessed it myself. Standards have to drop to allow women to physically do the training. Push ups or press ups for example. Females don’t have to do the same as men. Fitness tests are different. They’re a burden in the field with toiletry needs, over emotional & inappropriate relationships do happen effecting moral. Standards in the British military have dropped to accommodate women 100% they had to.
We had a platoon of females along for combat training when I was in the Marines. It was a joke at best and terrifying that they were even there at worst. We finish the training with a 10 mile force march back to base. This is after being awake for a couple of days so you are already pretty spent. At first some of the guys were a little worried because of how exhausted we already were. Thing is they put the female platoon in front to set the pace. They set a pace that was so slow we actually regained energy as we leisurely walked back to base. I was tail end Charlie with the instructor and we were making jokes about how many of the girls would fall out. We weren't even a mile in when they started dropping. There was a steady stream of females falling out the whole way back. They were picked up by truck and driven the rest of the way in. Before we finished every female had dropped the march. We knew the last one had been picked up because there at the end we suddenly picked up the pace. Sure there are roles for women in the military, but physically demanding ones aren't it. That whole platoon that dropped out passed the same as all the men did. It's insulting to the training and always lowers the standards.
I think the surest way of demonstrating the differences is to have a long-term war game between all female and all male units. I've no doubt that the male units will prevail, particularly if the operations are of long duration.
@@samuelshin593 I don't know, because I've never seen an objective physiologically valid study comparing women to men in aircraft combat operations. No one wants to do direct comparisons to determine the most combat effective personnel because it's not politically correct to state that there are differences.
During WW2 my grandmother worked in a munitions factory, and brought up my dad. She helped the war effort. She didn’t need to be out in battle to prove herself
Fantastic point, we all contribute meaningfully wherever we are best suited. Those munitions workers were a Godsend at that time. Female medical staff saved tens of thousands of soldiers at least. Many of them lost their lives as well, all deserve respect.
A Foreign Legion is a grand idea. Such people are willing to work and suffer to get citizenship, but... never lower the standards! Every job has requirements. If you can't meet those, do something else. There is no shame in that.
@@AgeDrain true but then again what’s the difference between that and green card seekers or hell your own citizens? It’s the same risk, anyone can be a spy or a threat to national security. This idea would only be a problem because of optics nothing to do with security threats.
I served in the Marine Corps for 21 years with 3 years in combat. One time while on annual leave, I was doing some winter camping in the mountains in New York on x-country skis with a heavy pack. On one downhill run, the tip of my right ski caught a root of a tree just under the snow and the momentum with a heavy back completely dislocated my right hip. My partner dragged me to lean on a tree while he went for help. It was close to dark, it was very cold, and my right leg was facing180 degrees the wrong way. I was the most painful injury you can imagine. I also fractured some bones in my leg and a couple of vertebra. My partner returned about 4 am with a park ranger on a snow ski with a stretcher. When the doctor reset my hip, he said I was lucky it was so cold out as to prevented too much swelling, slowed the blood circulation, and made it easier to reset. He suggest that he not put a leg cast on but rather just use crutches so that I will naturally use my leg more and it will heal faster. It took 8 weeks before I could try to run again. Only made it a hundred yards the first attempt. Over time, I gradually was running 5 miles a day at work over lunch and when things were quiet in the office, I eventually would make it a 10 mile run. But yes, that guy was in intense pain. I know first hand.
Just for the info: No females are accepted in the legion. Some female officers or NCOs might serve in the legion as nurses or lawyers but they are not legionnaires. Second point. Officers in the legion are not considered "Legionnaires", unless they came from the ranks which is rare. Only people who can be called legionnaires are the ones who have worn Képi Blanc.
@@Monestary_Warrior If you decide not to remain in the Corps, you can still join the Foreign Legion until you are 39 years old. So, if you are still in that age range, then the possibility still exists. You never know.
100% correct mate. He's going by the French armed forces allowing women to join by law but the legion still selects and I've seen people booted from selection for being Romanian 😳
My grandmother is 96 years old. She worked in a munitions factory during WWII. She didn't need to be in combat to prove that she could contribute to our country.
As some one who has done this training with the french foreign legion. The instructor is much to relaxed normaly on the course they keep you under preasure, but every one is exausted after the 2nd day. Doesn´t matter who you are and how good you were. You feel like a rookie in basic training. Those Legioners are once of the best pro´s i have met in my military duty. I can´t remeber that a cornel came to see us, but to be honest that was so exausting that wouldn´t remeber even if he was there.
Both females are Officer Cadets (as is the larger group of cadets). As part of their officer training, they are required to attend various commando training courses (such as this one in French Guiana). If they succeed and pass the commando course(s), they are ‘badged’ and can wear the badge (‘brevet’ in French) on their uniforms. All of the Officer Cadets undergo the same training regardless what their speciality will be once they ‘pass out’ and become officers in the French Military. They can be platoon leaders, military lawyers, admin staff or whatever they are deemed suitable for once they pass their Officer training. Of note is that although they are doing a French Foreign Legion commando course, it in no way implies that they will ever serve in the Legion once they eventually become officers. The Legion selects the best of those officers that request to serve the Legion under limited duration contracts. Legio Patria Nostra..!
Also just to clarify, both females ‘completed’ the commando training course, but they both failed and did not get a pass mark, therefore they will not have the right to wear the badge (‘brevet’) and their military record as Officer Cadets will carry a mention of ‘FAIL’.
When officers and enlisted train together, the officers are more likely to be harassed more the enlisted since the instructors here are probably NCOs. Officers are taught to lead by example. Also, there is a chance that the officer cadets here will be leading the NCO instructors in combat, so the NCOs are probably being hard also out of self-preservation.
@@darrenmurray5599 i tried to get into the REC when they dissolved the "Levant" and merged us into the 1ere REG. Lots quitted. Really don't see how a woman will pass the farms or the CECAP. Fortunately i escaped the CEFE. Anyway old farts like me probably will never get along with new policies. You deployed in Licorne?
These women are attending the CEFE ( Equatorial Forest Training Course) in French Guyana. It is run by the 3REI ( 3rd Inf, Rgmt) but is open to all French units as well as friendly forces from around the globe including US. Marines, SF, Rangers, Seals etc. Regularly send members to get the qualification. Not all do…very tough course.
I thought so, because the ffl is only for men. No females, and it should remain something unique and exclusive for troubled men who just want a second chance.
Not gonna lie, man or woman, the shrill screaming on every obstacle, the anguished contorted face, the whimpering sobs and breaths... that would be enough for me to dislike someone, especially when I am expected to entrust my life to their hands. Soldiering is more than passing a course, you have to thrive in the muck a little bit. Not to mention the operational security and general morale impacts of making a ruckus every time you get a booboo.
Agreed, she’s clearly been broken and instead of finding that next gear, drive or strength, she dealt with it wrong, pretty much from the start. I love starting a yomp and identifying who will go down throughout… It’s pretty easy to more or less identify every single person who’s gonna go down.
I tried for search and rescue passed everything except failed to be able to pull 300lbs out of the water. But I get it. When life's are on the line there's no room for special treatment. Most of those guys would have more bone than density than her. As far of injuries. I can't get past the crying if I'm going to cry, you best believe I'm going to crawl into a dark corner to do it. Won't be in front of anyone I'm meant to be leading. If you expect equality then they should expect equal performance. Not long ago I saw the search and rescue team pulling up a guy who's harness suddenly broke. The man was able to bear hug the victim till the helicopter pulled them up. In rough weather. Just unreal strength and grit to do that if I had of been the rescuer guy be dead...Does that make him more qualified.. sure the heck does 😂😂.
@@DrAndrewHutchings you're not wrong . When it comes to saving lives you only want the best. But I've never had anyone I've helped say no thanks I'll wait. 😆😆 So there's that.
What happened at the end was they both failed to get a passing grade due to incomplete portions and taking too long but they did try it all and not quit voluntarily or actually die.
In navy dive school we had 1 female in the class below me. She was a badass. She probably ranked top 10 out of a class of 50 on her PST. A phenomenal swimmer. She went on to be a dive med tech. They are out there but far and few between.
Devil Dog I went through a similar course as a Marine with them I was honored to be selected for a cross train with FFL and it is many really bad days in a row. I haven't finished the video yet but we had to do 90% of our own roping. I think there were a few pre set up crossing areas (different course than this) You know when you have that muscle failure and your body parts just don't want to work? We all went through that a few times a day. I really thought I was going to go insane through it. Obviously we didn't have instructors screaming at us or motivation through PT- Just two teams trying to get to the finish line. The thing about FFL as masterful as they are the part no one talks about is they are truly expendable. They are thrown into situations where the outcome is going to be grim. They go nonetheless and at night when not involved in training they sing songs about battles where they got crushed but in glorious ways. They are the most unique people I have ever met or trained with generous with their knowledge too. And to those wondering they no longer take most major felons.
Hey JT! Nice video! These students are not trying to become legionaires, they are from Saint-Cyr (French army officer school). This course is volountary and is not a requirement for them. It was created for those who want to have a taste of tougher training. It give them credibility as a leader if they can pass it.
@Boiled Octopus You're welcome ! For better context, I need to correct myself: some officers will need to pass this course to access a certain "job", however this is rare, most can attend and fail without consequences. For the students, passing this course is a great accomplishment as the legion's training is very well respected by the French military.
Thank you. But I still think this is a complete waste of good resources. For example - I would like to be doctor ! Does that mean that - despite the fact that Im too grumpy, too old, too ugly, wrong attitude, and dont have the entrance grades for doctor school anyway .... but because 'I Want' ... does that mean I should be allowed to attend advanced doctor school, and do experimental surgery on patients - 'Because I Want' nah ... probably wouldnt let me in.
@@steveoc64 @steveoz As a medical student myself, your example made perfect sens to me ! And I tend to agree with you. Ultimately the goal is to form officers that can "lead in any situations" and lead by example. I believe it's a good way to force comissioned officers to gain some "real life" skills. But there shoud be a pre-selection so no recources are wasted. I'm unaware if some exist right now.
In sports, these two women would probably do well in distance running, or other endurance sports. You need a different kind of athlete to do the kind of strength work required in the military. Basically, running great distances with heavy packs, and climbing steep surfaces with the same packs. Surprisingly, this would be an ideal situation for someone like a gymnast, who normally lifts their own body weight all day.
I was hiking with a former legionnaire a few years ago. I'm a pretty fit dude and couldn't keep up with him after the second day. 😅 He was chill about it and just slowed it down, pretty nice dude.
My Uncle who lives Las Vegas he's got poker buddy who I met and played cards with was ex French Foreign Legionnaire and he's also a Retired San Bernardino Sheriff's Deputy. Cool dude told me he Parachuted into the Congo once didn't say much after that.
the legionaires are extrem though guys, different than the big marines that get a lot of support in combat, these guys often get their backpack for two weeks and no support at all, also the reason why the training is so extreme
When I went through Field Medical Training Battalion West it was common for females to fallout on the hikes. One female was walking on a broken foot and she passed but then had to seek medical attention.
Yup. I'm not a tall, muscular guy. I was 5'8"/140-145lb when I shipped from MEPS. I got to boot camp already able to max the IST. I maxed the PFT, swim qual, and shot Expert. I graduated at about 150lb. I went to MCT and was Platoon Pull-Up Stud and Iron Mike there. I graduated MVOC at around 160-165lb. I EAS'd at about 180-185lb, still maxing the PFT. Military life seemed generally easier for me than most troops around me because I busted my a$$ to stay ready while I was in. I trained martial arts, practiced at local ranges, worked as a bouncer, swam and surfed, offroaded, mtn biked, did running/triathlon events, etc. I was less fatigued than others, so I was able to focus on learning. I could haul my load and somebody else's. I could keep a cool head and haul a Marine out of a strong current or cool down an unconscious heatstroke casualty without skipping a beat or freaking out. I had a few regular training buddies that were similar. Our little group was generally 1st Class PFTers, 1st Class or WSQ swimmers, martial arts students, offroaders, etc. Why somebody would go into infantry-type training without physically preparing themselves, at least a little bit, is beyond me. Playing COD every day for 5yrs straight doesn't prepare your body. People can die from just training alone. Prepare accordingly. It's not about being a bada$$. Even bada$$es aren't bulletproof or invincible. Hell, 2 Seals even DROWNED during the invasion of Grenada, and those guys swim like fish. It's about being able to accomplish whatever mission is assigned and looking out for the general welfare of your fellow troops. If you can't keep up in the field, choose a vocation that doesn't go to the field. The military NEEDS clerks, cooks, techs, analysts, hospital staff, drone pilots, diplomats, linguists, etc. If you have a calling to be a hero, but you'd be a physical liability in the field, become a hospital doctor/nurse. Become a virologist or similar, working with dangerous pathogens. Teach CPR/1st Aid. WORLD SOCIETY needs your kind of people...People who give a crap about others. Enough of a crap to actually DO something positive occasionally.
@@RKmndo My cousin was SF and knew some the guys that went with the military doctors and nurses that went to deal with that ebola outbreak a few years back. Said those docs and nurses had big ones after just a glimpse of what ebola does to someone SF guys were like no effing way were they getting close to that crap.
When I was in the Navy there were 3 guys on my boat from different countries who had joined to get their citizenship, we already do this. It's just not separated from the main military.
Sir. Love the channel and your commentary on this one. You said it straight when you said the jungle training would wear a majority out. Back in 1967 we were told by our DI on day one that most of us would go to Vietnam so training would be jungle like, especially the heat,. We thought we knew what to expect when we arrived in Nam but we had no idea of the agony that awaited us. Learning how to start an IV on a brother or even yourself was a must. People would vomit once and then not want to rehydrate. I never want to go thru that kind of heat and humidity again. Take care and keep uploading.
Humidity can kill very easily. A mere 40% humidity is enough to almost mitigate everything your sweat does for cooling you off, causing a helluva overheating.
I had a dislocated shoulder along with a few broken ribs. In my local hospital in the late 70's-80's we had some Navy LT. or Full Commanders that worked part- time in our E.R. We were only 20 minutes from the U.S. Navy Sub Base so these Dr.'s worked part-time to supplement their income and they were great! They had dealt with injuries from the Nam Era so they had seen everything. When the Dr. put my shoulder back in place it was fast and just one big OUCH! The ribs were more painful after being taped-up!
Special concessions will just put other soldiers in great danger. They should hope that the enemy army would make special concessions too so they can have equal disadvatages.
Next time, they should try to find someone with three moms. I am sure at least one of the women can find another role in a military, and that's assuming they really knew what they were signing up for to begin with.
Yeah, i think too many womans if they workout like a motherfucker doing a lot of pull ups etc can be in a really good spot with other man if they want.
the fact that these women have the guts and determination to try the course means i would not think twice in following them into battle. this i because i know my abilities and the legion is not one of them
There are some women that will be able to pass these obstacles. Mixed infantry units though do not create the most lethal fighting force. The dynamics of the unit change when they are mixed.
@@maxotaurus5140 a unit of children or teenagers could also work, does that mean we should pursue this option? It is not the way of women to be in war. Society should steer away from this adverse option.
@@shlamushaaretz5357 the Russians had the right idea, women make fantastic snipers, it’s a biological thing, mens eyes are better at tracking moving targets, whereas women are better at noticing hidden things in the environment I don’t think women can’t or shouldn’t serve, however I think the roles they serve in should only be the ones they are suited for
The RAF did a study comparing a Typhoon fighter squadron with 100% female pilots compared to 100% male pilots. The conclusion they came to was that the female squadron would need 50% more pilots due to fitness, health, and pregnancy.
I've had a dislocated shoulder in the Army when I was a grunt. YOU DO NOT YANK like in the movies and YOU DO NOT TWIST like this guy did. That could damage muscle (yanking) and potentially grind bone against bone (twisting). The safest way to place your arm back in is to slowly stretch the muscle and let the person use their free hand to gently guide the ball back into the socket. He would feel it jump freely back into place and pain should instantly be greatly reduced.
Back in 1980 I was in basic training at Ft. Sill, OK and we started the cycle with 8 or 9 females, at the end of a month we only had 4 and two of those became injured within the next month. Of the two females left, one of them was as good if not better than 3/4 of guys but with one week leftw before graduation, her buddy became pregnant, was removed from the platoon and since she didn't have a female buddy to room with, she was recycled. I'm glad our DI marched us by her new platoon so we could tell her good luck in a cadence. She was lucky I guess that platoon was in week 5 or 6. She was one tough soldier.
A well trained foreign legion is a sound concept. My question would be who would the US use to train the initial legion cadre for their initial training? A new combat unit would likely fall under the us army since its the largest of the branches. Would a sof unit like seals, rangers, sf, etc. train them or would it be a regular army unit like the 101st?
The 2 ladies finished the course but didn't get the patent so they'll have to do it again if they want that certificate. This course, called the Jaguar course is an international acces course and it's organized in 2 different sessions, one for legionnaires and one for military personnel from countries around the world including french regular army. The jaguar patent is required in some special units iot execute jungle missions. It's like an extra qualification course that allows you to execute certain types of missions. This is not an exam to enter the legion. From the looks of it, the ladies got some preferential treatment, like instructors giving them extra attention and such. In a different clip, 2 Americans are sent home quickly after lesser accidents.
The crucible in 2003 in March was flash floods and the lowest temperature record in Pendelton history. We had recruits being resuscitated from hypothermia. All of the courses were flooded, and the reaper was dangerous for even the safety vehicles.
Listen, I went through training in the Canadian Infantry, we were one of the first Cadre to include women. It was a clusterfuck. They were useless and we had to always stop and assist. There is a role for women in the military, but it is not on the front line. Period, FULL STOP. Sure some of the women were very well trained and motivated. But I would never take them into battle on the front line. Call me sexist or what ever, but it was a complete liability.
Absolutely true mate, but be careful you might offend some idiot not in the military who thinks they have the right to have an opinion on the subject, when they don’t…
@@160thsoar6 Kindly go into battle nude and without weapons and stop crying for the medic. Evidently, anecdotes to you are more important than something that's based on actual research. Gotta love people with gunpowder where the rest of humanity has brains.
2:04 FYI: If you served honorably in the U.S. armed forces for at least one year at any time, you may be eligible to apply for naturalization. While some general naturalization requirements apply under INA 328, other requirements may not apply or are reduced.
There is still room for you to serve as a volunteer in plenty of places where you live. Never stop helping others and learning new things to improve yourself.
Im not familiar with American military practises, but when I was in the Norwegian Royal Guard boot camp, the bar was slightly lower for women in terms of physical standards. That being said a couple were still transferred due to being too out of shape after boot camp, and so was a few guys. In the video here though, it is stated several times that the women were given no preferential treatment. Seems to me that they had to do same things as the men, which is bloody tough judging from the video. PS: Pretty sure the standards in the Norwegian military is higher now than when I was in in 2008/2009. Back then there was general mandatory conscription for 1 year. Now you have to apply to be in the military I believe. The government have considered putting back partial conscription though due to lack of numbers.
Having your shoulder popped back in feels amazing. I tore all of the ligaments in mine and there was still about a 95% decrease in pain when it was back in socket.
@@dapigudemao Exactly! In the French Foreign Legion, they reject a lot of applicants during the interview / investigation process mostly due to past drug-related crimes and other illicit activities.
I had a dislocated shoulder and it is the third most painful thing I have ever experienced. Putting it back in hurts worse than the original injury and it takes along time to get over depending on how bad the damage is and rehab. I screwed mine up in 1973 and they had no idea what therapy was back then. I think they called it athletic tape. The standards should be the same for everyone. In a unit like the Foreign Legion the men would not have respect for the women, especially officers if they didn't qualify by the same standards.
America does allow non-citizens to serve in the military. I had a friend that came from Haiti and signed up. He had to sign a 4 year contract and would get citizenship after 2 years. Joining the military is the fastest path to citizenship. Otherwise they have to pay thousands in fees and are put on a list.
an American "foreign Legion" would be a great idea.. it would be full of men literally dying to become Americans..100% down and would raise their family that way... can't go wrong..
In Vietnam we had an unofficial, never mentioned Foreign Legion in the USMC. Three out of the 12 men in my particular squad were not US citizens. Two were from Mexico and one was from the UK. All three were intent on getting US citizenship and putting in time in the Corps improved their chances. Our Brit was kind of an oddity, because there were Australian troops in VN...he cold have gone that route but he wanted to be a US Marine. He was a good 0311 and could carry more gear than anyone else in the squad. There were more than a few non US in the MC, always spread out; Never formed into anything like a single unit.
You are a Marine you already know we allow foreigners to join. I served with at least 12 Philippine sailors trying to get their citizenship. One from Trinidad one from Guyana etc etc etc.
The women never made the times , whenever " injured " they got rest and were allowed to return next day . There is no rest in hostile zones , period . They got by without filling the Standards the men had to go through . Just look at them in this video . They failed throughout but so called passed . Ya right !
Every candidate on every commando course (jungle, desert, mountain, etc.) can have a 24 hour rest period for injuries that the medic deems not serious enough to merit cease training. Second, and this is kind of unique to the French Army, those ladies didn't pass, they finished. In the French Army, when you do a commando course, you have to finish it unless you're either medically withdrawn or the DS kick you off course. If you don't meet the standard, they tell you you're not going to pass, but you still have to ride it out with the rest of your course. Neither failure to perform not quitting will get you off course. Oh, you quit on the first test? That's nice. Now go finish the course and you can watch the rest of your platoon receive their qualification badges at the end, but you won't get yours.
As a Marine sniper that attended and graduated the Commando Guyane course in the early 1990’s I can attest to the brutality of the training. I’m glad to see that the French haven’t lowered their standards to be “inclusive and equitable “. If by any chance you question my authenticity I will send you a copy of my certificate and the one award from a foreign nation that I still treasure today.
Being physically exhausted can take your toll mentally too, and you can lose focus and concentration. I've got a knackered back and f'ed up knees now, due to what we used to have to do. Hats off to them all. ❤️ From the UK
I feel your pain - literally. I went into the RGJ at 16 and did 6 years, and now at 52 my knees and back are buggered. Can't even shag any more, but fortunately my wife is ugly.
Probably equal if not greater mental tenacity. You're not a warrior because of your physical advantages, but your mental mindset to PUSH your limits, however low or high they are.
So these are officer candidates from St Cyr, the prestigious officer school, like West Point or Sandhurst. They are being bought down to earth, Officers in general wouldn't be expected ted normally to do this type of courses because if they lose in direct competition with the ranks it could lead to issues with leadership. (much like the new office with a compass thing, which seems to be a common theme in all armies) Anyway, the instructor is being pretty gentle with them. p.s: I'm an ex legionnaire.
Hey she has heart and the spirit you want to see. I do wish our military did more to facilitate citizenship to vets and active duty personnel. The fact that there are honorably separated vets that have been deported is deplorable to me. They put in the time it should be enough.
The F.F.L. must remain almost impossible to attain, but possible for the best chosen. There can not be room for weakness in such units. The US can not start one in it's present condition. When you have the USMC displaying Pride Crayons it's over. ALL of that nonsense must be eliminated and a harder physical training as well as mental preparing must be done again.
@@JamesonsTravels as a Christian it turns me off from continuing service. (Army Captain sick of Pride DoD posts)… my favorites though were the trans chaplain at the mcoe and the trans DS who bled out all over his cot nightly after he got bottom surgery (E TRP 2-15 cav)
Most people don't know that women peak physically at 18 and men 28. Most people also don't know that men have a higher power to weight ratio than women too. women ate more injury prone as well
They have to pass the standards no matter what. The point of all the suck, wetness,pain,discomfort, and pure misery is to simulate the most closest possible scenario to the stresses of real combat situations without having instructors put you into real combat. You need to no matter what the person you have to your left and right will fight through thick and thin in real life situations to not only complete the mission but to tough it out and not give up on your or the mission..No...Matter...What........period.
As for your question about American Foreign Legion, yes. Although, this kind of already occurs. Ive heard many folks from all over the world join the military. In fact about 5000 Legal Permanent Residents and Non Citizens join each year, and if you serve honorably for at least 1 year during peace time you are eligible for a green card.
My experience is that most of these women want to complete the training, prove that they can do whatever the boys can...but don't actually want to do the job.
Brazilian Jungle War School adimited 2 woman to try it, both of them completed and became the first women to get the CIGS patch. There were no downgrades for them, they even had to shave their hair, like every other candidate
I think it can a good thing to have this kind of military. The reason is that not just the country wear you are from, but also the values like freedom you want to protect. In my case is it pretty simple. I am from Austria and we are a neutral country so we don’t have any military operations. But still I want to protect our western values. Do you understand what I mean?
Yeah well not everyone who joins is interested in American style freedom, they just want to escape their country or a bad situation. I would be ok with a special unit comprised of Europeans. America is culturally and majority population of European origin. If we get too many foreigners in who do not share the same values and have the same devotion to their own kind then they will be a big problem.
Ja Bundesheer in Österreich ist scheiße, aber mit dem Jagdkommando kannst du doch ein paar Sachen erleben. Kenne da ein paar, die waren viel unterwegs. Nur so nebenbei, als Österreicher ist deine Staatsbürgerschaft weg, wenn du zur Legion (oder sonstwo) hingehst.
I wonder if they would be so willing to be on camera if they forced them to shave their heads like the men. Dislocated my left shoulder twice. Once in the ARMY. Again afterwards. I felt every second watching that young soldier get his reset. I feel for him because you can't control that arm shortly afterwards no matter how big your testes are. Lastly, Why does France not require all of the military age men immigrating into their beautiful country to join to earn their way? Or are we not allowed to talk about that?
Way too many of those men coming to France in boats are young, fit, clean cut guys of perfect military age. So not pulling probable terrorists into the toughest military training France has makes sense to me. Now if your immigration could understand that every one of those soldier looking guys is a possible ticking time bomb they'd turn them back.
I know this doesn't answer all the questions but I watched this story about a woman kick boxer. She had 53 wins of 54 fights. Finally she fought a talented young man from an amateur training club who'd never come close to professional boxing, also he was smaller. She technically out fought him but lost because she couldnt take the force of his punches yet over and over he could stand hers. Near the end of the 3rd round he took her down and once she was down that was it. She tried everything but his strength, and remember he was not a big guy, kept her down and pinned and that was that. It was kind of sad because you could see she was very shookup and looked appalled at what had just happened. She landed some good kicks and punches but he just shook it off and continued. He only landed a handful of headshots but you could see she was dazed after each one. Bone density, bone structure, ligament strength, fast twitch muscle cells, much more upper body strength, more stamina, probably 20 years of testosterone coursing through his body etc. etc. etc.
Yeah, it's insane every branch of US military, police, fire Depts and more have lowered their standards for women. If you are just as good and equal as men do what theem can. But they can't so in order to fill quotas these organizations are forced to lower standards. I'm sorry if my house is on fire I want a man that can lift me up and carry me out. Not a woman who o ly has to drag a body a short distance instead. We are risking our lives for the sake of wokeisms!
@@generalwarhammer9722 lets be honest, fit men can do it, unfit men no, fittest of fittest women dont make it.... Women just are biologically not meant to do this
There needs to be another element brought in to play if they are already bringing weaknesses into a squad. Let's say they meet a bare minimum in a course like this then they need to be the absolute top notch in another element. Everyone has something they are good at, so find that and figure out a way for the military to utilize it.
I don't remember which European country but they trained female special operations members separately not because of inclusion but because they realised they needed female soldiers to help in hostile areas that have strong traditional doctrines to communicate with the female locals and make sure the female soldiers can fight and survive if needed.
None of the trainees are from the Foreign Legion. They are cadets attending the jungle warfare course organized by the Legion. The instructors are all legionnaires, but the students are futur french officers which will then be dispatched to various branches of the land forces.
An American Foreign Legion would definitely help in terms of solving manpower shortages but doesn’t the US military already have a policy like that already?
I would love for America to have a foreign legion, but it should be special operations orientated. The FFL are held to the same standard as frech special operations and if America had to do it then it should be the same.
@@shabut But the FFL make it way easier, you just need to show up at their headquarters with 2 days on your visa. I've tried getting into the US armed forces, but the amount of loopholes and expenses didn't make it worth the trouble. Hell, joining the British RM commandos was easier than just getting into America.
Whew I was 16, I broke my femur bone and pull the knee cap out messing around on a stolen bike. I realised my leg was fuked when I came to and the only way I can describe the pain is that it was like a super intense ache where pressure would relieve it for a few seconds but then the ache would come back with a vengeance. When I got to hospital, they clicked my knee cap back into place. It was like a bolt of electricity god gone through me and I almost lost consciousness As for this, I admire their heart and determination to want to prove themselves and achieve but they are at an inherent disadvantage. Assault courses look kinda easy on these TV game shows but it's deceiving as they are doing them fresh. In the armed forces, you're wet, cold, hungry, tired etc and just something as small as a log can be tough to get over. And what people forget is that it's just a physical test. In the real world, you'd be expected to fight after a yomp and have the mental stability to give/take orders in real time. There's a role for women and everybody in the armed forces but some roles are not well suited for some people. The grunt is the hardest job you can pick. Both physically and mentally.
She also wasted everyone’s time and tons of government funds. You’re welcome to respect her for making everyone else less effective, some of us will be thinking.
I'm looking at the other girl dragging herself across the rope, biting my nails that she'll fall, because she keeps pulling her hanging leg up. You really have to leave the leg hanging down, because it acts as your counter weight so you don't end up losing balance and slip off the rope. Yet she keeps pulling that leg up over and over :S
It's not just physical,during the second iraq invasion there was footage of a female army seargent in charge of a supply convoy briefing the people she was in charge of,the higher ups were expecting trouble,she was literally crying during the briefing,if you let it,fear and panic spread like a virus in combat,a leader needs to be cool and collected,even in the face of certain death.
I agree, never lower the standard. "However" you can alter their gear to what they would be able to carry cause of their human frame's difference from a male's frame.
It's my understanding that the foreign legion doesn't give many breaks to the new recruits or students. However, I'm reminded of some of my training as a Marine OCS candidate. It was a hard physically as boot camp, but there was one big difference. There was a greater focus on leadership abilities as well as the ability to make hard decision, improvise, and never quit. One of the training task was called the Speed March Reaction Course. The idea was you were part of a 4 man team on a three mile run through hilly and forested terrain. It was full combat equipment, timed, and in brutal heat. Along the path though the woods there would be a clearing with a task to complete which was also timed. A DI was at each of the sites to observe and grade how well you completed the task. Each of the four candidates took turns leading the team between task sites and there were eight such sites along the trail. The fist site my team reached there were two telephone poles with one at each end of pond filled with water. There was a 55 gallon drum and 100 feet of rope. The task was to get the 4 man team from one side to the other without getting wet. We had 15 minutes to complete the task. We quickly huddled and tossed around a few idea, but then had to actual get it done before time ran out. The plan we came up with was one of us would use the 55 gallon drum to cross the pond with one end of the rope and we would tie both ends to the poles for the others to cross using the rope. We failed with the DI cursing that we were embarrassing him with the other DI's. We changed the leader and ran to the next site. We failed all eight tasks, but we beat the overall time with our running. In fact none of the teams completed any of the task and we had to do a five mile run as punishment. We started with 50 candidates in my OCS platoon. 20 of us graduated. We didn't learn until after graduation that our DI told us that the SMRC was deliberately designed so that no one could complete any of the tasks. We were graded on leadership, initiative, determination, etc. That course along eliminated something like 10 candidates who became too flustered or were indecisive. My point is that sometimes you were expected to fail and the real evaluation was on your leadership in difficult to impossible situation. It's possible that the instructors in the jungle training were looking for both physical ability as well as the leadership, determination, and the will to fight through exhaustion and pain to keep going. I don't know. I do know than the most important evaluation in OCS was whether our DI would want to serve in combat with each of us if we were his platoon commander. The rest of everything was important, but that was the tie breaker. They decided there were only 20 of us that they would have wanted to serve with.
