Can Starmer reset Britain’s relationship with the EU? | The News Agents

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Keir Starmer is in Berlin, this time for some real politics, not a football match. He’s meeting German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, unveiling a new UK/Germany defence agreement. Later he’s heading to Paris to meet President Macron. The new government is on a charm offensive, with much lofty talk of a reset of UK/EU relations post-Brexit. But is that really possible? How much is just vibes? Lewis and Jon analyse what has happened and crucially what has not happened, and are joined in News Agents HQ by German Ambassador Miguel Berger.
We also talk about whether there’s any truth that Mr Mandelson might be going to Washington and Jon is shilling for his book again. What fun.
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@Charlie-UK 28 дней назад

I was on one of the first UK - EU student Exchange trips between the UK & Germany, in the late1980's. It's utterly perverse, that we have undone decades of cooperation, & goodwill and inflicted so much self harm on the UK with Brexit. We can't afford to spend decades, repairing all this again. A minimum starting position, should be re-joining the Customs Union or the EEA. Neither of which would mean accepting free movement. It's not rocket science. It just requires some political will. Which seems to be sadly lacking in Keir Starmer's administration...

@HS-fm9kv 28 дней назад

I did the Erasmus thing in the late 90s. Fantastic opportunity. Hard to believe that this is no longer happening/ is a monumental loss.

@Skygrey2943 28 дней назад

I didn't do the Erasmus scheme but I had the benefit of going to a college built by the EU social fund. The UK lost so much investment in poorer areas by exiting the EU. The Tories said they would replace the European Social Fund money, but it never happened. I'm still mad at how the UK was allowed to self sabotage the economy just so the hard right of the Tory party could seize power. They took complete advantage of not having to follow EU directives protecting workers, finance, and the environment.

@Michael_from_EU_Germany 28 дней назад

No longer possible. Closed. CU (and SM) only for new EU members open.

@samhartford8388 17 дней назад

EEA/SM requires freedom of movement. All EFTA countries have to accept freedom of movement. The EU's CU is not open to non-EU members. Turkey has a partial customs union with the EU, but it is not included in the EU's free trade agreements.

@maxharbig1167 28 дней назад

All the UK has to do is fully comply with the TCA before it comes up for reviwe, i.e. audit, not renetotiation in May 2026.

@martincurrie6243 28 дней назад

The EU is fine with defence co operation. Its the one thing they want from us. There will be no movement on anything else. No compromise a hard line will be maintained.

@MrsGardiner 24 дня назад

Haven't ever heard this from EU, this is a British invention, that they need us for defense. Since both are in Nato, and Nato organises and oversees defense, there really is no need for any of this. And as I said, it is not something the EU wants, but something that Britain says the EU wants. And there you have the critical difference!

@stevenwilliamson6236 28 дней назад

Starmer seems to be ruling out all kinds of things.

@CrappyProducts 28 дней назад

I think this visit was absolutely useless. He rejected single market so what's the point? If Starmer thinks he can get no tariffs so all the benefits with no cons, he's delusional

@Michael_from_EU_Germany 28 дней назад

CU (and SM) only for new EU members open.

@EllieD.Violet 24 дня назад

Uhmmmm ..... the SM and CU are for EU members EXCLUSIVELY (or limited access for EFTA members). Any random 3rd country like the UK by definition of EU rules CANNOT become a member in either. Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺

@section8s 28 дней назад

The UK is a competitor to the EU, other than defence the UK has nothing to negotiate with. Brexit will continue to be a festering wound, slowly destroying what’s left of UK. Starmers small minded attitude towards Erasmus this week was unacceptable.

@Hartley_Hare 28 дней назад

I agree with that. About a thousand percent.

@zonianfjb 28 дней назад

Any evidence for that at all? Or is that just fact-free Remoaner guff?

@MrsGardiner 24 дня назад

Since the EU is not clamouring for anything from Britain, I think the defense thing is vastly overstated by Britons. Given that both are in Nato anyway.

@maartenaalsmeer 28 дней назад

"Can Starmer reset Britain’s relationship with the EU?" Not until the UK fully implements the current agreements.

@hess6wi 28 дней назад

The UK must implement bad ideas that damage both parties rather than talking more and making it less bad? Why?

@frankoneill5675 28 дней назад

@@hess6wi Which bad ideas

@lydiefleurent6809 25 дней назад

V@@hess6wiHave you heard of something called honouring your signature ? Is this unreasonable to ask the UK to implement what it signs for ?

@EllieD.Violet 24 дня назад

@@hess6wiThese requirements don't damage the EU - else she wouldn't have included them in the treaty. Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺

@MrsGardiner 24 дня назад

And not until Starmer listens and acts very favourably on the items that EU suggested before resetting any relationship. There are actually 3 points. Full implementation of the TCA, restart Erasmus and do the Youth Mobility Scheme. This is what the EU wants and what Starmer plain ignores and refuses - he will get nowhere, despite all the schmoozing behind Brussel's back.

@MrsGardiner 28 дней назад

It has always been 'irregular ' immigration, as in the UN treaty on refugees, which states explicitly that in many cases irregular entry in a country in order to seek asylum there, is often necessary. This is a return to what Britain has signed up to. The anomaly was the last Tory government, who falsely labelled it illegal immigration. This was to blame asylum seekers for all ills in their culture war efforts. Had it ever been illegal, then clearly the police would have arrested asylum seekers on arrival. Funnily the police did not! Culture war was a Tory hate thing and thankfully, it is over. Back to normal with irregular migration, as Yvette Cooper made clear from day one. Do catch up, please!

@originalbadboy32 28 дней назад

Culture war is over? Did you forgot the riots from 4 weeks ago?

@rosemarycuthbert4623 28 дней назад

Yet Starmer rejected reintroduction of Erasmus scheme

@stevenwilliamson6236 28 дней назад

The Mandelson thing seems like the kind of mistake starmer might make.

@glostergloster6945 23 дня назад

'No answer to where we sit' Yes there is, there is a very clear answer, we belong in a bloc with our nearest neighbours. Time to rejoin the Single Market.

@columbus7950 28 дней назад

Don’t forget Poland 🇵🇱 in defence spending. We need to move towards 4+% pdq. The piece dividend is long gone.

@woofla123 28 дней назад

Why is Starmer so stubborn?

@originalbadboy32 28 дней назад

Because 17.4m voters don't want to be told they were wrong.

@MrsGardiner 28 дней назад

Because he indulges the Red Wall xenophobes. But they have found a new home in Reform. So this is entirely futile and messes up EU relations, rather than resetting them.

@deanhodges2852 27 дней назад

Starmer is far too afraid of the mail and the rest of the right wing media to actually do something that will improve this country, namely closer union, joining the customs union and single market. I am so desperately disappointed with this man it’s untrue, to paraphrase mr Blair he was ekected as new Tory and will govern as new Tory

@glostergloster6945 23 дня назад

Labour's redlines need to go, or Labour needs to go. People did not vote for a Tory continuation band.

@Ashadash2890 28 дней назад

Is a shame Starmer not committed to rejoining the EU. It would make trade a whole lot easier

@zonianfjb 28 дней назад

It would make some trade easier, and in the meantime your government would be a lot less accountable than it already is. And we'd have to join the euro. That's way too high a price to pay for "making trade easier".

@mwd331 28 дней назад

@@zonianfjb joining the euro isn't a done thing as far as I understand it.

@originalbadboy32 28 дней назад

@@zonianfjbwhy would it make the current government less accountable? Do yiu think that the people that illegally prorogued parliament was ever held to account?

@originalbadboy32 28 дней назад

Rejoining isn't going to happen for 10 to 20 years if ever. People really need to get that idea out of their heads.

@MrsGardiner 28 дней назад

@@zonianfjb I would have thought the long term loss of at least 4% of GDP is too high a price to pay for Brexit. Going it alone is always more difficult and more expensive. CPTPP on the other side of the globe is not capable of replacing anywhere near that long term Brexit loss to GDP

@thomasshone2488 27 дней назад

I read the comments for the obvious gaslighting.

@Beliefish 28 дней назад

it would be nice to know what that anglo-french deal actully produced

@MrsGardiner 28 дней назад

It is not a deal, or a treaty as Starmer would say in the sense of the TCA wich is a treaty. It is little more than writing down what both parties would like to cooperate better on. Starmer is egging this up for home consumption. Listen to news abroad to get the other side of the story. Anything that falls under Brussels, like mutual trade, cannot , behind Brussel's back, be put in a 'treaty' anyway. Just like the bigged up Trade Deal that Badenoch did with Italy, which is equally meaningless, because in the EU's single market, Brussels does trade rules, not individual countries. But then Badenoch also did a 'biggly' trade deal with Florida, same deceit, because the United States does not do trade deals with individual states either. These things are bigged up into treaties, but to call them a memorandum of understanding or another much lesser form of terminology, would be more appropriate. Who advises these ministers in this and in the last administration!

@Beliefish 28 дней назад

@@MrsGardiner it also does not help that Olaf and Emanuel are politically dead and have no meaningful power in EU anymore

@section8s 28 дней назад

I don’t see the UK getting a trade deal with the USA. Northern Ireland is a problem to a deal, plus the USA would prefer to do a deal with the EU. Doing a deal with a small country with only 2% of the world GDP floating in the water just offshore, would be a bad move. Ps. A USA-EU trade deal could take decades!

@zonianfjb 28 дней назад

That's the Biden/Obama/Pelosi way of thinking. Trump doesn't think that way.

@MrsGardiner 28 дней назад

USA and EU have any number of mini deals with each other. Literally almost only agriculture with the much lower USA standards is excluded. Trump of course is well known for slapping tariffs on as he sees fit. One of the bigger ones on steel was eventually taken off for EU and left on for UK, If I remember right.

@Lizzy1ES 28 дней назад

If Mandelson or Miliband were to negotiate a deal with USA I’d never forgive them. We need to return to the EU

@aleph8888 28 дней назад

Why? Up until 2016 the US and the EU were negotiating a free trade agreement. Anyway, in December 2024 the UK will become a ratified member of CPTPP, which will make rejoining the EU impossible.

@LeafHuntress 28 дней назад

@@aleph8888 One can leave the CPTPP with a simple note, nothing else required. So if Starmer sends that e-mail today, the UK is out by, wanted to say April, but probably the ratification would stop & the UK wouldn't even enter. Why would anyone even be happy with that horrid CPTPP? Have you seen those secret courts? Not that it would have any bearing on the EU. The last time the UK applied it took about a decade & a half to join. And really, the only reason it did, was because Ireland joined at the same time. It won't be as easy this time...

@originalbadboy32 28 дней назад

I wouldn't worry, we will never get a US trade deal.

@octavianpopescu4776 28 дней назад

What's wrong with the US? They're the UK's closest allies.

@EllieD.Violet 24 дня назад

As of 2024 the UK barely meets 50% of the accession criteria. Do your homework and try again in 2070. Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺

@stevenwilliamson6236 28 дней назад

Germany is a large defence spender in the EU, but the UK is not.

@Greaseball01 28 дней назад

Maybe? Maybe. I'm not brimming with confidence. But, maybe.

@stevenwilliamson6236 28 дней назад

Holidays in August. What about the border poll? Sort out the easy stuff first.

@stevenwilliamson6236 28 дней назад

Tory musicians? Like Iron Maiden?

@georgiewalker5826 28 дней назад

He can reset it, but he is not being bold enough with the changes, he could join the EEA, Schengen, the CU, pay into the EU budget, but he wont, because it will upset the Brexit base

@georgiewalker5826 28 дней назад

I just wish Starmer was more ambitious

@Michael_from_EU_Germany 28 дней назад

No, you're wrong. UK can't. There are no such EU offers.

@LeafHuntress 28 дней назад

While Starmer could be more ambitious, he's dedicated to the Labour Manifesto that ruled out some things because of the brexit voters. Plainly spoken, he wouldn't have been voted into #10 without it. But you seem to be labouring under a disillusion that more is possible just if the UK wants it. Wrong. For the EEA, a country must be a member of either EFTA or the EU. The UK at this moment has NO CHANCE to join either of them. Shengen could be an option for Gibraltar, but not the UK because of the CTA. A CU is possible after looooooooooong negotiations. But first the UK NEEDS to do what it has promised to do. Nothing will happen until the UK actually implement that "oven ready deal."

@Michael_from_EU_Germany 28 дней назад

@@LeafHuntress No. The CU is linked to membership of the EU. The EU has ended options like these.

@MrsGardiner 28 дней назад

Starmer is all about the economy, the EU is all about peace, people and integration via joint economy and ease of trading projects. The former is selfish for Britain only, the latter is to improve all of our economies (and people) and benefit all EU countries. This true levelling up is way too socialist an idea for Starmer, it seems. In the EU trading is a means of getting the real EU values of wellbeing and progress for all. In Britain it is trading profitably for the benefit of Britain, not even for the benefit of the British people. In Britain GDP is far more important than people. There you have the rub. I want better just for me versus we want better to benefit all of our people. It has always been the British problem, that wanted trade advantages in the EU and did not want the EU values as collaboration and friendship of the people of all EU countries. In Britain EU people are ruddy foreigners, same as all other foreigners, whereas in the EU, people from other EU countries are our people too, who have every right to live in our country as equals, as we do in their countries. Churchill's United States of Europe idea outlined in his Zurich speech. Britain, both under the tories as now under Labour, doesn't want a bar of it. Doesn't even understand it.

@Frithogar 28 дней назад

The divorce analogy fails unless some sort of polyamorous relationship. These two are talking about two equal partners The UK and Europe. Brexit was more like friends play a board game and the English walking off in a huff in the middle of play.

@octavianpopescu4776 28 дней назад

I'd replace the "friends" part with one guy revealing he never liked you in the first place. That he always despised you.

@sheilafordham7659 28 дней назад

Could we just ask young people for their opinions? It seems all old people dictating and depriving them of opportunities! They are the future.

@EllieD.Violet 24 дня назад

The only people whose opinion matters regarding your chance of a second membership is that of us 448m EU citizens. We decide about applicants / membership via our 27 national parliaments, and some of us 🇨🇵 via binding referenda. Don't hold your breath for the upcoming 5 decades. Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺