"We don't think it's worth owning, but for a beginner or most people, it's worth it" this right here folks - if someone says your bike isn't worth it because something is better, just ask yourself "am I enjoying it/does it make me happy" if you can say yes, then hello, my two wheeled friend, ride on and ride safe!
@@ericrolland9092right, people act like a 300cc or 400cc bike isn't fast but in all reality, they are actually pretty damn fast wether people want to admit it or not
The same applies to cars. A lot of my circle of family/friends know I’m into cars and bikes and know how much I hate SUVs and most modern cars which focus too much in iPad style entertainment and not enough on driver input like cars from ‘yester-year’. Thing is they always seem to seek my approval when looking to get a new car to which point I always say…listen just because I don’t like it, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t meet what you want/need/like. I happily advise on features to look out for and what the acronyms mean etc..but then remind them it’s their cash, they’re the ones buying it and will be using it on a daily basis…so my opinion counts for sh*t …..you should see their faces 😂…but it’s true. Why copy /live someone else’s dream 🤷♂️
as someone who has been thinking about moving up from my beginner bike to either a naked or an ADV bike, i can say that this video did not help me decide between the two. i guess ill just have to get both.
I'm between a naked that love the look or a versys 650 that I really like too and are very practical. I also love the XR650l but that's a lot modding and I don't have time to do all of it right now.
I watched the video and Yammie's arguments were weak sauce. Wheelies? Track days? 99.9% of people riding will never or rarely do either. I switched from Sport/Naked bikes to Adv bikes years ago. When you get a little older and knees/ backs and other injuries start rearing their ugly head, Adv start making a ton of sense if you don't want to go the land yacht route on a GoldWing. I still have a naked bike in the garage but, it rarely gets ridden. I've been riding over 50 years and the ADV bikes beats the other bikes hands down. KTM is releasing a 490 ADV at some point in the future, Covid slowed that down but, it'll be a game changer.
@@MrJxKnight if you decide to try ADVs do yourself a favor and ride a Vstrom. It's the versys competition and imo more comfortable. They are pretty comparable in most aspects.
Adding a couple things for Spite's bulletpoints: An ADV bike is better for urban commuting for 2 additional reasons: 1. Suspension travel. With our "crumbling infrastructure" the size of potholes, construction zones, speed bumps, and sunken manholes make potential bent rims a possibility and that long suspension travel more of a need-to-have rather than nice-to-have. 2. Visibility. That taller bike gives you a warhorse-like view of the battlefield which is more beneficial than you realize in heavy traffic. On cruisers and most nekkid bikes you pretty much just see the car in front of you. But on ADVs sitting tall and proud you can see over several cars. The flip side is also true. Being able to pull up along side Kyle or Chad and look them in the eye in their clapped out rolling-coal Dodge Cummins cranking 5FDP means they're more likely to see YOU as well. Basically, urban landscapes ARE the very definition of ADV riding these days.
Yam, have your production crew turn on a high pass filter (low cut) on your mics of around 80-100hz and that will control the breath plosives that windscreen isn’t quite getting.
7:17 Yammie Noob: "That's why I got a car". That's why we don't listen to that kid. We don't have a car. We have a motorcycle. We need to move stuff on our motorcycle. We don't care about his childish conception of aesthetics. I got my first motorcycle in 1978, a three cylinder two stroke Suzuki GT550. Then another motorcycle, then some cars and now a Suzuki SV650. You can't buy the motorcycle that you need. You buy the closest one and modify it. It's not a naked bike, it's not a an ADV. It's YOUR motorcycle.
My 450l is my "toy", my vstrom 650 is my two wheeled car and I love it and don't care what people think. Best memory was throwing the luggage on to run errands and I see a yard sale at a farm. Walked away with a $25 framing nailer, three boxes of nails and it was enough to frame my entire basement for $25. Yay for nerdy ADV luggage capacity!
This series literally proves the idea of “different strokes for different folks.” I like the way it turned out with nobody ever being completely correct. Ha! This proves a point for us Vulcan S riders too. Got ‘em!!!
Love my Vulcan S. Especially as I mod bits and pieces here and there. But at 6'3 and 230# it does feel small under me. But to that end it's still very peppy and can haul me around at 85 on the highway no issues. It is my commuter. My commute being 35 miles of 2 lane state highway @55mph or interstate @75mph one way.
Adventure bikes are also less of a heat score from police. Slap on panniers and a top rack and you become invisible lol. Naked bikes have a 'hooligan' look that attracts cops.
To each their own, however 1 point I will make is that right now ADV bikes are all the rage and as such are disproportionately overpriced relative to nakeds.
I think it’s important to be honest with yourself. I got an Africa Twin in 2017 with all sorts of plans of taking it off road and really adventure riding with it. 5 years of owning it and it never saw dirt. Ended up trading it in for a cruiser, still wanted a comfy bike but I was much more honest with where I was actually riding it.
i got a tw200 because if the roads are stopped i can just pop off into the pineapple fields and happily pass all the traffic. which ive done, on occasion. its also my daily errand bike because its easy and uses less fuel than my farm truck.
I own a adventure bike have had it since new I bought it in 2019 the Suzuki 650 vstrom I have done over 35000ks so far and absolutely love it I do a fifo job and have to ride 460ks to get to work it’s really comfortable for long distance and I can put all my clothes and luggage I need for work for 2 weeks the v twin motor has enough power to still have fun on and handles really well in the twisties and I do a fair bit of off-road to with obviously not as capable as a full on dirt bike but the vstrom is definitely good enough for what I want to do and just explore some different tracks i feel it’s a jack of all trades kind of bike
I can't believe Spite didn't also say that it's ADV is far less restrictive in terms of the the surfaces you can ride on - even in the city there can be all sorts of odd terrain. Plus you can take way better sneaky shortcuts. That's the whole reason I got a light ADV.
For me, as a 5'6 woman, most adv bikes I've sat on were not comfortable for me and I didn't feel confident. I can get shorter naked bikes more easily. I do like the looks and function of adv bikes but the height is an issue
While you chat and confuse the way, I share my spit this whole day listen up I'm LEGIT 2 wheels one motor we ride 😎ain't sick. 200 mph club I roll 9/10's I go don't believe come see my rear tire Dat is 🤣🤯🧐💯
this truly is a why not both situation imo. I've had my Vstrom 650 for a couple years now and I love it. Panniers, heated grips, Corbin heated seat, etc make it the perfect commuter capable of going long distance. It's not fast though and since I'm not getting younger instead of a new zx6r I picked up a z900. I'd say though even after more than doubling the cost of the vstrom with accessories it's still cheaper than the z900 but not by much. After exhaust and sliders and such for the z900 it's probably 1-2k more. If I could only have one though ADV is the best all rounder.
wow this video was made for me 😂 my very first bike was the ktm 390 adv and I loved it. perfect bike to learn how to ride on and plenty capable. it did on road and off road good but not great. I traded it in for my current bike a brand new mt 07 and love it! significant increase in HP and street performance. I want to now save up and get a cheap used dirt bike or dual sport. IMO having a dedicated on road bike and dedicated off road bike or atv makes more sense than getting into the ADV game. Just my 2c! obviously depends a lot too on where you live, riding style, etc.
Fantastic conversation. Tons of good thoughts on both sides. I very much appreciate that the V-Strom was mentioned. People forget that it's the best bike ever created. 😁🤓🤟
TL;DR: Spite: ADV bikes can ____. Yam: Wrong. Actually naked does ____ better. Next point... 2 minutes and I was exhausted, says a 40+ year old dad who happens to prefer naked bikes. Are all these like this?
Naked, for me. ADVs are A compromise and I have little desire to "Off-Road" nor do I wish to have to keep and change A set of tires for better performance every time I do go from street to dirt.
@@izzy031096 definitely a good choice too! I test rode a husky 701 enduro yesterday and i think I'm in love lol. Especially being up at such high altitude
I plan to move to road-adventure bike from naked, for 3 reasons: 1) Suspension better suits our roads 2) Wind protection (we often have strong wind, very uncomfortable on naked even 40+ mph) 3) More relaxed riding positon, better seat, better road view.
+ no1 can carry a passager for long distance travel. no2 can carry 2 FF helmets in top case for short distance travel. Visiting some place and not carring helmets in hands is a great thing no3 can carry paniers for long distance travel. Almost replace a car. You can actualy travel somwhere with somebody. I agree on suspensions, when you hit a bump you wish you have more suspension travel cons Top heavy, tall seat, harder to manuver from the stop, especialy when having a passager, and im saying that because in this bike you will have a passager. Which i recommand you not to get too big bike for your size, and trust me when stop in middle of traffic with that thing angeled you want to flat both of your feets.
I'm having trouble deciding between a Versys 650 and a Turbo Hayabusa. Please help. More relevantly, even when ADV bikes have reasonably low seat heights, they all have pilions that are too high for a short person to swing a leg over.
I ride a KTM 1190 adventure. Some days I have just my locking tail trunk, some days locking hard side bags, some days a small soft tail bag, some days even a bike rack for hauling my mountain bike. It has tons of performance and piles of practical options. It is the ultimate motorcycle.
I love how you guys can simply “agree to disagree”, exactly how good mates should be - give each other a bit of stick, but respect each other’s opinion either way. I’m with Yammie though - naked bikes rule! Keep it up guys, I’m enjoying the channel. 👍
I am 5.7 tall and I would love a ADV bike, but they stand to tall and they're thick... I got a SM, stands tall also but is more on the slim side and easier to manage and because it does not weight much it kinda suks on highways
Opening argument of the first person was “adventure bikes are comfortable“, whereas the second person started with “naked bikes look cool!”. At this point, you already know whose opinion does not really matter. Small and Midsized ADV Bikes are the best do-it-all bikes. Period. Comfort is so important, which makes everything else redundant. CB500X, V Strom 650, Tuareg 660, KTM 890… You can cross continents with them, even with pillion. I would not compare them to the crotch rockets. Counter arguments of Yammie are so cringe 😬 You cannot do a simple grocery shopping without your car and yet telling people naked is better 🤣
Riding since 1961. Reserved a BMW 650 single for a ride in Europe in 2002. The previous renter overestimated his ability and the rental agency gave me a free upgrade to a R1150GS. Wow! Bought a DL1000 VStrom in 2003, a Tiger Explorer in 2013, a BMW G310GS in 2018 and a Guzzi V85TT Adv in 2020. You may see a pattern. And I've got a 28" inseam (on a good day). Go figure. And a lot of my rides are multi-week - so luggage space that I can lock is critical. All that being said, I just bought a Triumph Speed 400. 😁
Aesthetics matter says the man with a ugly but fast Hayabusa. I'm going with Spite vast 3 months experience. 😄😄 Actually I'm a fan of a both ADVs and classic nakeds.
Hate soft bags, no security. I want something with a windshield, low seat height, light weight and helmet sized lockable rear case with sport bike styling. Crazy but I want a rear rack and removable hard case for my Ninja 400.
Both sides have great points for two very different commutes. If I had a city commute to an office job where I could show up with nothing but a coffee in hand, a naked bike would be ideal. Defining the commuter here is critical. I do archaeology fieldwork and my commute often turns into a dirt road down a poorly maintained powerline corridor, with overgrown sections and occasional sketchy water crossings. (My car looks like heck. ) I'm less concerned with fast corners and wheelies, and more concerned with how many snacks I can fit after I pack all my excavation gear. "How much sh*t do you need..?" A LOT. :( Great points on both sides; for now I need a robust and comfortable pack mule that doesn't mind getting a little banged around but can also hang tough on the highway, but once I'm back in an office all day I will definitely have a much nimbler racehorse of a bike to let out some energy on the way home.
Went from a 3rd gen MT-09 to a multistrada V4S. After the Frankenstein crap I did to the MT to make it more highway friendly I had my eureka moment and went ADV, and won’t ever consider a naked again. I say this as a city rider, the 10 extra seconds of inconvenience backing an adv in wasn’t worth the 10 minutes fitting my soft tail bag, soft saddle bags and tank bag onto the bike (or worse, wearing a backpack for 30 miles yuck)
I guess it also depends where you live. I live in the mountains with thousands of miles of forest Service Roads. And zero race tracks. My choice is clear.
Apple & apples. there are other perfect examples of both styles of bike with Identical engine/Gearbox combo's, but bringing down the budget a heap, the V-Strom 250SX is $7000 NZ and the GSX250 Naked with the same engine& Gearbox (249cc oil cooled single with 27hp) is $5000 NZ (The Faired version being $5500 NZ) and the main reasons for the price difference is... a USB charger on the V-Strom. and a larger front wheel, the rear wheels are the same wheel, as are the brakes, The V strom is 4 inches longer, and has a bit more size to the frame, which means normal sized Men are going to be more comfortable on a V-strom, as long as their butt can handle the much firmer rear shock, but shorter Men and most women would me more comfortable on the GSX, especially as the rear suspension is soft and cushy. As far as looks go, the GSX looks way better, if the V-Strom were to receive the styling of the GSX (and a softer rear shock), and maybe drop down to the 17" front wheel of the GSX, then many more V-Strom 250SX's would be sold and they would be even harder to get hold of, as Sale outweigh the supply everywhere they are sold!
I rode a naked bike when i was learning to drive. It was good, fun, and lightweight. The thing is that adv bikes are so much more agile. For the size of these bikes, they're very responsive. I feel much more comfortable doing slow speeds, slipping through traffic and slaloming through the traffic jams. Turn radius is insanely good, and while many naked sportbikes can do the same, it does not "feel" right. You can feel it was not purposely built for these thight maneuvers. The adv bike, however, gives you this good feeling of "i can do this" mindset.. sometimes for good or worse. AND adv bikes are comfy for the long trips as well, and the price can be half of what those touring bikes go for. Well, if you dont buy BMW 1250gs or ducati multistrada v4, then.
Makes me kinda sad these guys hate the modern naked bikes to death. I understand their opinions and why they have em but I love their looks! But I guess that’s the thing about looks. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So many people say the Z series and the MT series is ugly but I LOVE THEM! 😂team green btw💚
I don't even think that it is a debate... ADV have a bit of everything you need. They are the "safest" option to choose between motorcycles. They might not be for everyone, but they fit for the majority of people. They are practical. (I own a CBR600F4i btw) Nakeds are good if you want a bike to just commute or have fun doing silly things (except maybe off road lol) and have a car.
Main things I agree with: 1. Naked bikes do look cooler than adv bikes 2. Adv bikes are more useful than naked bikes 3. Naked bikes are more fun on the road, adv bikes are more fun anywhere else 4. Adv bikes are heavier than naked bikes 5. Adv are much more versatile 6. Generally naked bikes are cheaper Personally, if I could afford 3 bikes I'd get a fun one, a versatile one, and a fast one. And what do I own, a bloody Versys 650 so a all-in-one ha ha
I call shenanigans on Spite's naked bike luggage claims. I have luggage for my sport bike that's compatible with its naked sibling. I've got two 16-liter saddle bags that install in about 2 to 5 seconds each. I have a sport rack that pops in place of my rear seat allowing me to also mount my 37 liter top case. Even when taking my time, swapping out the rear seat and installing it takes less than 30 seconds. That's a total of 69 liters (nice) or about 18 gallons/2.4 cubic feet.
I like the klr 650 because it is simple and big enough for a full sized adult. just wish it came in a 750-900 version. want a fairing and bags. what good is a bike if you can't even grab a gallon of milk on the way home? my longest ride so far was 15 1/2 hours to daytona. no way I would want to do that without bags and a fairing or squished up on a sport bike
Josh literally just clipped this from the last yamcast and threw in some photos and called it a video. Lol, running out of daily content? Maybe do some ride/reviews of subscribers bikes? Just an idea and my two cents
ADV!!! Ride Without Limits!!! KLR is the Honey Badger of motorcycles! KLR don't care. With the right tires I can corner inside crotch rockets. When I was QCing powerplants I would take 5-10 miles of power line trails including a mile of swamp and a 40' hill climb.
Buy both. Problem solved. I have a speed triple and a Tiger 1200. The Tiger is more of the daily driver just for usability, comfort, and luggage. The Speed3 is mostly my after work stress reliever. If you’re worried about looking like a dork on an ADV then you have ego issues. In the age of social media and narcissism literally no one else cares what you’re riding or doing. Don’t take the word of a RU-vidr as gospel. They make money from views. What gets more views than controversial opinions? Their content is highly thought out for maximum views, not quality advice and information. Case in point, “Everyone is out to buy a personality” he says referring to ADV buyers, and also says ride a naked bike because it looks better. But I’m sure he can explain away all his contradictions with sharp wit and insults. Try a bunch of stuff, buy what you like. The end.
🙄As THE self proclaimed Resident Ducatista of Yammie Noob Comments, Ducati has no business going off road!! I can’t stand that my beloved Jeeps can get upwards of $80k🤬 Only tech geeks trying to be tough on the weekends buy these things!!
Yammie Noob says we can do 200 miles on a Naked Bike. But I have done 1200 miles a day on ADV bikes. No way I can do that on a super sport. I own a Ducati Supsersport 950S and also BMW ADV bikes.
If you think you can’t ride an ADV bike on the track then you’re just wrong. There’s a motovlog video on YT of this older guy running his brand new Pan America at the track and absolutely eating it up. He’s passing everyone else out there and is just ripping. It becomes obvious the guy is a very accomplished and experienced rider, but he smokes the track on a Harley Davidson Pan America. He says it actually beat his Indian FTR by a few seconds.
I'm in the UK iv only ever owned naked bikes 125cc for a new rider I'm now getting the kawasaki er5 and absolutely love riding naked bikes when the wind hits you they feel so much faster 😀 it's so fun
Cargo? Soft luggage. You can shove the mosko moto stuff even on sportbikes in like 10mins. For me ADV vs anything else: Do you wanna play with dirt and trails? Get an ADV. Otherwise, enjoy a bike focused for street on the street :)
Most of the adventure bikes weigh around 400-500 pounds- you’re acting like they weigh 850 pounds and that’s absolutely not the case. Over and over again about weight. Pointless.
Speaking from experience and being an euroboy, the fact that you guys don't get in America all the touring bikes that we do get in Europe baffles me. Just the Big 4 alone have a dozen different options of on road tourer versions of advs. You guys are missing on a whole world of bikes.
I really hate to say this: I actually agree with noob. The problem with giant ADV bikes is that they're giant and slow and. Lets me honest, are you going on an real adventure, or just a weekend ride? Then get the slimmer, faster, cooler naked. going on a 3 month trip through Baja? 100% ADV
I go grocery shopping for one person on my naked bike with a backpack and it is very doable. Not comfortable, once hurt my back flinging the backpack on, and it takes a minute to shove things in the bag and you can only get a small amount or small items in the bag as well. But Naked bikes also can be more fuel efficient to a degree. I have a z900rs Cafe now and that fucker only gets 30ish mpg around town so there's that.
I have a ktm 390 adventure. I love it to death lol. That being said, i more into naked bikes than adventure bikes and foe the most oart its just bc of looks. I seriously dont understand why companies make adventure bikes look so damn ugly?? My ktm 390 adventure is one of the fewbiblove the look of. I also like the new honda 500 adventure bikes and the big bmw ones look ok but for the most part adventure bikes look goofy especially with all the racks and bags and shit on them. I dont do thst at akl on my bike
That's it. I hate this channel. Started listening to you a few months ago, today I parked a xj650 in my garage. This was the final straw to push me into the addiction. Now I've gotta get some entries into the bike giveaways and get some gear. And learn how to rebuild a carb.
I mean, some of those naked bikes exemplified in this video aren't naked bikes even. They're sport bikes. And tbh, they're also just as ugly as adventure bikes. But I do like naked bikes, but they should be more classic looking.
In one week I had people that don’t know about bikes think my bike was a BMW, and another thought it was a Ducati. I have a 2021 MT-09 so yeah it depends on the person. I find it great looking. I actually liked it at launch and now that it has a Puig screen on it I think it really stepped up the looks.
7:17: when you said "that is why I have a car". Well, my dude, then is when you meant "my naked bike failed me and I need to get to the cage". 🤷♂️ your words.
Real adventure bikes are massive and they're part of the whole image of being a real adventure bike rider. How can you be taken seriously on anything less?
I love, adventure, bikes, however, also I love the naked bikes, but for the naked bikes for me, the look with the crash guards for the frame, the engine, and the one in the back that you could use to hook up bags easier to it gives the bike an adventure like look, however it will be nice if it could do a little bit of a adventure style riding
I love my z1000 and I can do big distances on it but man it took some building up to do it. I grew up a woods trail rider so wind was never a thing and it beat me up a bit until I got used to it
