The subscription model and stepped payment is how businesses are adapting to the digital age and a cost of living crisis. The Kemper Player is the first example of stepped pricing so it's taken the brunt but it allows Kemper to retain the value of their IP and give customers access to the platform cheaper and then add functionality down the road when they can afford it. It's a perfectly valid argument to say that it's over priced and the market is entitled to look elsewhere. What I don't understand is the argument (made in this comment section and elsewhere) that they've done something unethical. The Player delivered what it promised. Then later gave the option to upgrade to the flagship ability for more money. That way Kemper don't devalue their IP. They're not a charity, they're a business with staff etc. Kemper invested the R&D into profiling tech and then Tonex have offered it cheaper at scale no doubt massively denting the companies profits. No one is saying that BOSS pedals should be cheaper because you can get a knock off from Behringer for £20. Same premise.
Nah, if they want to survive they need to make a product that's actually worth buying in today's market. Kemper lost me after how they handled the player updates thing. Especially when they posted the tonejunkie video of him essentially insulting and ranting about Kemper customers. Kemper hardware is outdated, the software isn't even out of beta and still has a lot of problems with the player upgrades, and they're too stubborn to admit it. I'm never buying a Kemper product again.
@@Βετο 'I want everything cheap or free' = entitled. Customers are perfectly capable of taking their custom elsewhere. Expecting a business to cripple itself because customers always want everything cheaper is almost toddler expectations of the world. I don't agree with TJ on everything but he was bang on on this front. Kemper didn't promise any of that extra functionality on launch of the player. They offered a way to upgrade the smaller form factor to the capability of the flagship whilst maintaining the value of the IP. Neural released a crippled smaller product as well. I'd imagine for the same reason. What business wants to devalue its products. You can always buy a Tonex One.
@@davidcjupp updates are cheap marketing, they keep products fresh for longer reducing the risk and cost of developing new products that is expensive and may not sell as well.
Couple of thoughts: 1) Don't have too many profiles in the unit - this slows down boot time and response time. You don't need your entire library on the unit. I use the local rig manager library for this and it helps a lot. Right now I have 161 profiles and 125 performances loaded out of the thousands I have on the PC. 2) Don't have the rig manager connect to the cloud unless you want to. It takes forever to update and you generally don't need the access. 3) I found that using the rig manager and the unit causes problems when you go back and forth between them. The looper pop is an example. Boot the unit without rig manager and this should clear up. They could definitely improve the performance of using both unit and RM at the same time. 4) The delays are great. Every delay has ducking, mod, freeze, tape age, grit, swell, reverse and other features generally only found in certain delay types of other modelers. For example it was quite easy to replicate a Halo delay using dual delay, mod and cross feedback. Something I could not do on Strymon except for the DIG 5) Instead of modeling particular effects Kemper tends to model a general purpose effect that can be changed to emulate most common effects. I like this approach more than what Helix does by modeling certain effects. You don't need a Tape delay model if the general model can sound the same. 6) performance mode is fantastic. I generally use 5 different gains in the amps and almost never use a overdrive. This is much more natural sounding to my ear keeping the same tonal qualities while increasing the gain. My current favorite is a Michael Britt performance for the Morgan PT with my own choice of effects. slot 1 is completely clean all the way to slot 5 which is full on gain. 7) I also have an Iridium, HX Stomp and Fractal AX8 so I am use to using all four environments. That being said I find that I use the Kemper most. Sound and feel are just great. 8) I disagree about the rig manager. I find the controls easy to use and in fact like it better than Helix and fractal for editing. Yes, the fractal can do much more crazy stuff like adding LFO to a parameter but general I only use fairly straight forward effects. 9) Yes, the boot time and display kind of suck. 10) I also like the fact that, for the toaster, many live edit controls are on the front panel and not buried in menus. 11) CPU is not an issue. You can have 8 delay or reverbs if you want. Not sure why other mfg's can't support more than one or two at a time. 12) form factor is not as small as AX8, HX stomp or FMx but you do get real time access to controls. Probably why I keep the HX stomp. Anyway, just my experience with the three environments and if I could only have one it would be the Kemper.
That was incredible, and I have no interest in Kemper whatsoever. But.. I am a gearhead and am always interested to hear what works well for others and why. Thanks for all the detail. 👏👏👏
Sold my Kemper a few years back, waited, then bought a few of the UAFX amp pedals, I stopped searching for tones and spending $$, it is very nice! I have the tones I want, ok I did splurge for the Enigma but hey, had to have the Dumble sound.
You have to wonder why they never even came out with a 2.0. The Kemper is quite old now. Does anyone want Kemper effects? I thought the only draw was the good tones. Even the Fractal VP4 barely made noise, I think a Kemper effects only unit would fail before it started
Christoph said in multiple interviews that they were quite happy with the processing power they have and don‘t feel limited. Also, there is no big step from his perspective which would make it sound more realistic anymore. I kind of agree. Would be nice to hear if 32 Bit 192khz would make a difference. He‘s firm in stating it doesn‘t.
Kemper amps are amazing, but yeah the FX, outside of delays and verbs, are not good at all. Hence why I run a kemper player on my board, soley as my amp+cab sim.
@@mehAudioWhat about updating the profiling tech to the level of the NAM Player specs? More accurate profiles and less latency. There is still room to improve for Kemper. Many find the Neural DSP, Tonex, NAM, etc to sound more accurate than Kemper on captures/profiles. Also, they could improve on the hardware. It’s really in need of a more modern update. Touch screen. Better processing to allow for better and more effects. Sounds like a cop out to say nothing can be improved and not a good business strategy in my opinion.
@@pizzaisgood4877 and how do you quantify better? As far as I can tell, it‘s a toss-up between toneX, QC and Kemper, depending on the amp profiled. There is one hardware device with NAM so far, but really too early to say if it‘s generally better. At 700 bucks I doubt it. FX… yeah, I usually don‘t like the feel of digital distortion. The Kemper pedal emulations… not my favorites. Interestingly, if you try the Getgood profiles, the amp distortion is pretty sweet. Modulation… the chorus is pretty nice. The upcoming Tremolo/Autopan thing seems to be an instant hit. Could there be more? Could they offer fx with less parameters which always sound good? Sure. I‘d take it Latency… I wonder if there is anything they can do. They might be at the limit software-wise and the internal latency of the converters can only be improved by using new converters. But what‘s the worst case scenario with the Kemper? Sub 5ms, isn‘t it? I‘m really picky with latency, I‘m completely useless with amp plugins, even though my computer has a roundtrip latency of 4-7ms, depending on buffer setting. I don‘t feel any disconnect with the Kemper.
@@mehAudioI’m talking latency. NAM is 0.8ms. That is insanely good. If Kemper matched that and then refined their profiles to offer more epochs like NAM does, then maybe make it variable so you can choose, add in a higher quad core processor upgrade, add a touch screen, now you are back at the top of the game. Flagship product right there. Any of the companies can do this but will they is the question. Fractal could add capture tech to their AXE FX and get in the touchscreen game and they’d be on top clearly too.
They just didn't study the market before coming up with those crazy upgrades for the player... especially the fact that you can buy a fully loaded big unit cheaper than the player with upgrades. What a way to piss off your fan base. But this said, it's still a very capable unit after 13 years and despite all the competition...
@@aonortac it‘s always the same false argument. You can get a second hand device for the price of a fully upgraded Player. Yes. You can also buy a number of big cars from ten years ago for the same price as a brand new hatchback. What‘s the argument here?
Lots of valid comments in the video. I still use my Kemper Stage for guitar. I think the FX are great, I got one after not liking a Helix and wanted modulation FX of Eventide quality. Maybe interestingly, I use it as an FX.unit only in my bass rig in the S/R loop of the amp. It’s just so convenient. So maybe, an FX only unit would sell.
I own a Kemper (toaster) and actually think more about getting a player after they announced the paid upgrade. I actually think it’s the opposite of what most people who are not so familiar with the units nor with the way they’ve been conducting their business make it to be
Interesting that a lot of the arguments here in the critique section weren't applied to the Nano Cortex? I'm trying to decide and to me the Player seems WAY more attractive, especially because the option of upgrading to more functionality is there for the future? I'm holding off until the GAS has settled because thanks to JC my HX Stomp is more than enough.
A Kemper Effects product would be cool. L6 does it, Fractal now does it (RIGHT after I buy a L6 HX Effects, thanks Fractal) I think there is room for Kemper in that space so long as they dont love themselves so much they think its a 1000USD product.
Will greedy companies like Kemper, Neural, Fractal, UA ever be punished by savy comsumers? Hope so. A big praise to Hotone, Il Multimedia and even Line 6
I think what will damage Kemper is not producing an updated replacement, nobody says 'Kemper amps or effects sound bad', the problems are User interface, limited routing, no dual amp - this is where the competition if leaving them behind (side note - Kemper toaster is the only modeller I have had freeze up during a gig & its probably got the longest reboot time of all of them)
Plugins are a huge pain in the rear for a hardware manufacturer. Keeping them compatible long-term is quite expensive and from all the drama I gather that there is no way of pricing plugins fairly for those who feel slighted right now. Even giving them away to hardware owners for free would be interpreted as damage control. And now that we get the plugins for free, why would we have to pay for the feature upgrade of the Player to a capture-able device? Why would Kemper invest tens of thousands of €s, just to give the stuff away?
I like the rig manager UI. It's simple to use if you come from a desktop background and not an 'appley' phone app background. Im not personally a fan of the modern slick graphic UI that most companies try and go with now. Just give me simple text, a sensible layout and drag and drop and im happy. Thats exactly what you get in rig manager.
I should probably add since I started.... I do think the level 2 & 3 upgrades are expensive - It actually leaves kemper only valuing the profiling ability and all the extra functionality at a few hundred dollars..... that doesn't make alot of sense. Although the people be-moaning it for not being free I don't agree with either. Same for the people that say they were about to buy a player but now there not, that doesn't make sense either. I think the upgrade package should've been a one off $99 software upgrade that then got you into the FREE upgrade cycle that always existed on the older kempers.
They need to fully update their profiling algorithms, make an actual modern piece of hardware with a touch screen and a good UI! Update the UI on the Rig Manager to match, and then come out swinging. They could compete and grow their user base again at a fair price compared to the current market. What they should have done is give the effects and features update to the player for free, and you hit the nail on the head in saying make a plugin version that people who own the player could buy to make profiles on their computer and use as a standalone Kemper version for 19@ or maybe even 299.00 Would have made users happy and all kinds of people would buy that even if they didn't have a Kemper or if the had the player and wanted to make profiles. New hardware and UI along with the Plugin and free updates for the player would have brought them relevant again!
@@AEP2x most people were pretty okay with the price for the Player. If Kemper had decided to never offer capture on the Player, we wouldn‘t be having this discussion. They decided to allow a feature upgrade for those who need it. Everybody who feels entitled to get that for free should seriously consider doing volunteer work in their pastime to recalibrate.
Making computers isn't sustainable unless you're Apple (because it's new hardware every year). Hardware is only profitable if it sells software (at least in today's economy). Kemper is just selling computers. They need predictable recurring revenue or they won't survive. Everyone saying they hated the paid upgrade don't understand what it means to create a sustainable business model. If you want something nice and want to continue to receive support for it, pay the money. That's how the world economy works; no one's entitled to anything free.
They could have used a VST version years ago. ToneX completely ate their lunch on that, ironically coming from the opposite direction. Might still be a good idea though. Kemper FX seem to sound good from your demo. I'm cautious as far as their brand recognition, which has never been for FX, but you have a point about existing users. IMO, as far as the paid upgrade fiasco, the best thing they could do is to fix that. Change the price structure and make the extra blocks cheap or free and you can keep the extra models as being paid. Make it all a la carte would be a good move as well.
@@mehAudio Huh? You mean specifically the technology to unlock specific features based on licensing? You mean taking what they already did with the tiered upgrade system just maybe 2 steps further and splitting the components more? I'm not talking about full "every effect on its own", but you can separate the upgrades into smaller packs that are more easily digestible. Like the extra blocks for $50, the models for $150. Also you do realize that if they had the idea of making the Player upgradeable from the start, that feature locking ability is an already sunk cost of the development by that point. And that they spent extra money developing abilities on the player that actively made it worse from the beginning in order to sell product later? And yes, I do software development, so I'm generally aware of the difficulty of software development. I fully support the general idea of Kemper charging for upgrades. Where they went wrong is the pricing structure, especially the incredibly tone deaf idea of locking extra blocks behind the highest upgrade tier. How much dev effort does it take to allow more blocks (which the Player must have been capable of from the beginning)? Changing a couple of integers?
@@yikelu so you do understand how it works, then. They probably branched the source. Then they created a new build target and then they developed the hardware abstraction for the Player. Given the different hardware, they then had to pick the functionality for the initial release and develop a separate UI/UX to expose the feature set to the interface. So far, nobody has removed anything or made anything intentionally worse. There is a whole bunch of features which aren‘t accessible. Because nobody has adapted them for the Player. After the release version, they would have to merge the branches and introduce feature flags so they can configure which device gets which feature. And every feature shared with the Player causes extra effort for the specific UI/UX. Which means that every software update after the introduction of the Player costs more effort than before. Even bug fixes. Then they likely defined the two additional feature levels. As far as I know, you upgrade a specific device, not every device a user owns. If so, that can be implemented with a relatively easy challenge/response mechanism. Now, a la carte increases the complexity a lot. Even if you don‘t offer bundles and/or up/crossgrades, bulk discounts, etc. Even if you don‘t sync the activation across devices. What do you do with Presets/Performances? Deactivate the a la carte that the user hasn‘t purchased? Keep them but only allow playing them, not change parameters? What about morphing and pedals assigned to parameters of a la carte modules the user doesn‘t own? What about backward and forward compatibility of presets?
@@mehAudio Let me put it this way. Regardless of the cost to implement, users are going to take one look at the competitor next door (IK Multimedia) and see that they have a well functioning system for a la carte purchasing. And as well, your questions about what do with presets (ie, other content made by other people that will not work because of missing models / features) is pretty simple. Yeah, deactivate them. iLok does it, old Line 6 gear (which had upgrade packs) does it. But also ... the responsibility lies with the content creator, not the original manufacturer to clearly communicate what is required. Also, you realize my point is that full a la carte is a suggestion of what makes the most logical sense to an end consumer *without* having to fuss over whether their pricing structure makes the most sense. That would be the logical business approach, leaving aside software dev headaches. But that is just one of several alternatives, with the key point being that enabling extra blocks should be the least expensive upgrade option. If there were 3 tiers and the first was something like $50 for extra blocks and the last 2 were otherwise similar to what they are now, I'm guessing there wouldn't be nearly so much backlash.
The problem i see if that its a big unit in a world where you can get to the same end point with much smaller units. Ok the powered version is different but even that now has much more compact competitors. It kinda looks dated too. Just my thoughts.
I'm boycotting the kemper player, but I'll probably never be able to get away from my kemper profiler, even if i wanted to. Just nothing sounds as good. And nothing is so easy to use (without a pc editor).
@@tomatengarage5608 thank you. It‘s internet drama, not a fiasco. And the jury is still out on how much this is caused by incredible entitlement and how much by Kemper‘s actual product decision.
Playing is great and all, but I feel like this was more of a “how does kemper sound in 2024” than anything the title led me to think this video would be. I was at least hoping to learn what the referenced fiasco was, but that wasn’t explained in a video about the fiasco haha.
What fiasco? Other than Kemper staff needing to stay away from cameras (and the jesus clowns), there was none. Approx. 99% of negativity came from people not owning a Kemper. I did the paid upgrades because I wanted them to replace my Kemper Stage with something smaller - net profit after selling it and buying both upgrades around 700 Euros. The conception that the Kemper is outdated is simply wrong. I have a Kemper Rack in my home studio, a Kemper Player on my board, a Tonex pedal, a HX Stomp XL, and an Axe-Fx III (which I have not used in almost a year). If I want the best possible tone and effects with the least amount of effort - Kemper wins all the time. The Tonex is wonderful, but editing is a nightmare, volume leveling rigs is a nightmare, and the effects are more than decent for the price, but compared to the studio quality stuff in the Kemper, they are not even on the same planet. Yes, the captures in the Tonex and NAM are a bit better - but absolutely no one will hear that difference in a mix, with some good models you can't even tell a capture apart from a model in the HX, Ampero, or Axe-FX. On the plus side, volume leveling is a no-brainer in the Kemper, since volume and gain are completely independent, dynamics (pick sensitivity, cleanup etc.) can be fine tuned (something absolutely no other product has), every output has its own eq and room settings, the spring reverb is better than anything else on the market (including Axe, Meris, and Strymon), and the ability to backup and restore rigs, performances, user settings, and even the remote configuration to/from a simple USB stick, without the need for a computer, phone, or cloud service is a life-saver. Would I like a vst or stand-alone app? Well, yes, but only because admittedly re-amping with the Kemper is cumbersome (need to swap cables) unless you are fine with the 44.1 kHz USB feature. And, for the people who want that, an upgraded unit that can do dual cabs and dual amps would certainly be useful.
I already have the plug-in. It’s called Tonex 😛 I don’t fully grasp the need for all this hardware. I have some physical pedals because they do a thing, but if I’m sat at home in my music room for the majority of time I’m playing guitar why not use my computer for everything? The sound quality of even the affordable audio interfaces is insanely good now. The computing power in my Mac far surpasses whatever companies are going to put into these boxes. I feel like we’re attached to the hardware when we don’t need to be. On top of that, you can use plug-ins for reverb and other effects, like Valhalla's reverbs (which are still $50 each) that are as good as or better than any of the effects these units provide. You could even bring your laptop and a decent audio interface to the gig. What am I missing here?
When I’m sat at my work computer all day it’s just nice to close the lid and play and still have access to great effects. I get it’s just a mindset and we could go back and forth on this all day. I get that my Mac is a Swiss Army knife and the more I use it for the more value I extract from it. But for more emotional than practical reasons it isn’t for me and I value having other options.
@@napoleonsolo67 I'm in full agreement with you on this, after decades in IT I fully recognise that this is emotional and not logical in any way, but yes I actually need that hardware distinction or there is no escape going on. It's a funny old thing. Even running the software off a phone or tablet is acceptable but psychologically I crave that turning OFF the work world when I pick up the guitar. Pedals, pedals pedals and putting together boards but for the love of god keep windows and Mac OS at arms length.
@@AlecBourneMidiMadScientist I also work in IT. I ended up with my first Mac just because I was in a windows world all day at work and wanted something that felt different. Strangely, I’m with you on the phone app front but pedals are where the real disconnect happens. I guess it’s vinyl vs cd all over again :). Just sometimes we need to park the logical and have something that just makes us smile.
3 months after the VST is released… “wait if you want to use the eq we have an upgrade for that! it only costs $300 “ Also Rig Manager UI is MIcrosoft Excel with knobs, awful to use
Kemper: Pay us to unlock the unit we sold you a year ago! RU-vidrs: This makes sense when you think about it, Kemper is also one of the best! Masses: Fuck paywalls and Fuck Kemper RU-vidrs: I don't know what you're all complaining about, this is the future! Masses: Stop buying Kempers... RU-vidrs: Is this the end of the future for Kemper?
Expecting genuine honesty from the "influencer" crowd is like expecting honesty from the Washington DC crowd. They're paid to say what they say and if they don't say favorable things they'll stop getting paid. I would never buy a pedal or piece of gear from a video of some dude that's basically a "producer" playing it. If it can't sound great through nothing but a cell phone camera it's not worth buying.
Kemper...$1600 divided by 13 year = $123.00 a year. That's value. Yes...they need to update their hardware/software to reflect 2024 standards and tech and maybe they'll surprise us. We alll have to adjust our expectations of how long all these units will stand up and we can expect dramatic processing improvements through the years and replacing them evey 5-10 years. I don't believe any of us are buying latest and greatest hype because there will be more greatest on a regular timely basis.
That's right..... or about $10 a month! I have no regrets on my Kemper purchase 13 years ago. It was the best choice at that time. Yes I have an FM9 and love it.... But still have my white toaster with a Ritter Camplifier 360 I installed latter on. More is More!
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Lol, guitar and youtube community create DRAMA from nothing. Not sure if Kemper owes anyone in guitar community smth. For 15 years providing the most stable OS and platform kinda strange to throw sht in Kemper. This 300 bucks thing is just a cancel culture in guitar community. When guitarist stop being dumbaf? Simply remember Kemper legacy is access virus and kemper profiler. Two legendary devices that defined last 25 years of gigging hardware for guitarists and synth guys. Come on. Stop speculating on their decisions. World doesnt rotate around individuals. Better ask Ik multimedia when a VST company invest money to create a stable plugin instead of laggy-creepy thingy they give you with tonex for 500 bucks, but no one cares
In business, there are no thank you's for the past. I have a Kemper Stage, among others, and the reality is the market has caught up, and in the case of effects, surpassed it. You can do stuff like charging for capabilities when you have leverage, but they no longer have that leverage, no longer the top dog, now just part of the pack. There are no thank you's for the past in business.
@@Bridging_the_Political_Dividewhat kind of "surpassing" you are talking about? You can count devices that provide similar all-in-one package. However, most of them lack functionality here and there. I dont get why community is forcing 300 bukcs thread, when there are more major issues with products that currently are advertised as "kemper killers". I dont get really what objective damage Kemper company did to its product users or community as a whole for continuing overusing upgrade topic and trying to judge for kemper financial state We cant really think of major kemper competitors that provide similar long-term support and overall ecosystem. Helix is the closest one. Fractal is the second. Others are too young and buggy.
@@Bridging_the_Political_Divide see this is a completely valid argument. They've priced themselves out of the market, not done anything unethical. The toddlers on this section are cracking me up so its nice to see an actual argument that doesn't = they didn't make it cost what I want so waaaahh.
Tonex is to Kemper as Behringer is to Boss. No one is arguing that Boss pedals should be £20. There's a lot of toys out the pram going on around this 'fiasco' as you call it Cordytron. The Player is as marketed on launch. Now you can pay more to upgrade it to their flagship capability without Kemper's IP being devalued. Stepped pricing and subscription models are how business is adapting to the digital world where IP is more at risk and a cost of living crisis means users like staggered payments. Customers are well within their rights to buy a Tonex / Nano Cortex (lol) so not sure why everyone is so outraged? I love my HX Stomp but I might grab a Player second hand and then buy the upgrade. I was waiting for the Nano Cortex to drop and well yeah... Nope.
@@davidcjupp in what respect? The tonex doesn't have all the functionality of a full Kemper but are you really saying the profiling on a Kemper is better?
@@adamwilcox6405 no not at all. It's just a cheaper price point for a younger product/platform. Behringer pedals sound the same (clones - see the JHS vid) so with a Boss you're paying more for essentially the same product out of brand loyalty and a better shell. My point is if one is unhappy with Kempers pricing you are free to buy the ToneX. Premium pricing has been a strategy for decades, there's nothing inherently unethical about it in a free market. My issue is with people slagging off Kemper, I just don't get it.
Kemper is off the table. I will never buy a Kemper product. The competition are just as good or better and don't try to fleece you. Kemper need to suffer, then maybe this paid upgrade thing will go away. Thank you Kemper for narrowing my choices.
Explain how they tried to 'fleece' anyone? They sold a product as marketed then gave you the option to upgrade at a later date. It's Neural that released a product with the QC that didn't deliver on its promised functionality on launch and took years to correct that. I own neither but I really don't understand people pretending that Kemper has done something unethical.
@@davidcjupp I choose NOT to buy their products. I can buy from a rival and get non-gimped hardware or hardware that improves over time. I don't get charged for that. My next purchase will probably be from the same brand. They get good word of mouth as to why it is worth buying that brand. So yes, they can do what they want and so can I. The first modeler to make Linux control software will get a sale from me. I would not look at the rivals as they are half products to me. See how that works? Give people a reason to buy your stuff. Kemper can do one. How is that for word of mouth? PS I would not buy Neural, I'll wait for a finished version 2nd hand. My advice to anyone is 'Don't get Kempered'.
@@tiomkinnyborg2289 totally agree - I've said that people are free to shop elsewhere if they think the IP is over priced and stepped pricing is a turn off. Kemper are not a charity. They haven't gimped the hardware, they've held back software features behind a paywall. This is such a common pricing practice in digital, it's just new to the guitar space hence the toys out the pram. Now if Kemper had promised the flagship ability on their marketing and then on release asked for £300 to unlock it that is different, but they didn't do that. It's not the hardware that is the IP, it's the software as you will know. The full set of features is what is worth the flagship money, not the massive toaster box hahaha. Helix offered increased functionality for free. So buy Helix (like I did)
@@mehAudio News Flash: If a company is in the business of selling unless they are a monopoly they need sales. True they don't care if I don't buy one unit but they will care when their name is mud. It will affect sales. Why buy a Kemper. This other unit is cheaper and gets updates to make it better. The Kemper could be better but you need to pay again to make it half as good as the competition. Which one will you buy? Loss of sales = suffering as less money will come in. Blame the genius who tried to start a trend. I wanted a motor bike. KTM looked cool until I learned they were kermpered.
Not keeping up with the market AND holding your costumers in contempt. Sounds like a recipe for success. They might as well institute some DEI policies and go full on LGBTQ. It worked for bud light and Harley Davidson. Hahaha
@@JasonT-xp3kh can‘t I go anywhere without someone starting the culture wars? What is wrong with people? The Player is a machine. No identity AT ALL. Right now, it‘s YOU starting a fight.
