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Can the Ryzen 5 8600G and Ryzen 7 8700G MATCH a GTX 1060? (review) 

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@techyescity
@techyescity 9 месяцев назад
**Hey guys correction, the new APUs do technically have an encoder onboard, it's just functionally I have no idea why they just don't work properly.... (relive isn't available), checking OBS, it does give you the option to use h.264 but it seriously degrades the video quality in this mode, and premiere pro just doesn't work properly with it... lol...
@paulbeers4105
@paulbeers4105 9 месяцев назад
Yes and H264 encoding has always been AMDs encoder downfall. Their H265 is supposed to be superior. I’m also guessing that very few people would try to game capture using an APU….. my guess is the intersection of those who play games with an APu and those who do streaming is very small.
@joggabonkers6380
@joggabonkers6380 9 месяцев назад
Yeah it would be weird as I have used a 5700g just fine and encoded in OBS..
@exxor9108
@exxor9108 9 месяцев назад
Um... You're testing these CPUs on an Asrock motherboard. Their BIOS has been notoriously glitchy and erroneously using the STAPM technology, causing very serious slowdowns. If you're dealing with that messing with your benchmarks, you need to do these again after the BIOS fixes, or use a different motherboard altogether.
@RurouTube
@RurouTube 9 месяцев назад
@@paulbeers4105 With the 24.1.1, they said they updated the encode quality of all codec (HEVC/AVC/AV1). I don't know how much of an improvement it is considering not many people, if any, actually testing that, which is a shame, but just going with AMD example it does produce more detail.
@GeorgePerakis
@GeorgePerakis 9 месяцев назад
@@exxor9108 Just like Brian to use the cheapest, shittiest motherboards available. Channel's all about saving a buck, but you should never cheap out on the board or power supply imho.
@volrathy1
@volrathy1 9 месяцев назад
you have been getting screwed by the youtube algorithm this is the first video of yours ive seen on the youtube homepage for about 6-12 months
@GeneralFuct
@GeneralFuct 9 месяцев назад
I was just thinking the exact same thing before I read your comment!
@samserious1337
@samserious1337 9 месяцев назад
Yep, for me too
@damasterpiece08
@damasterpiece08 9 месяцев назад
i only get videos from a few of the channels i subscribe to on the front page, the algorithm is weird; also on mobile it works better idk why
@incrediLance
@incrediLance 9 месяцев назад
I've been following him for +/- 10 years now and he has always been a weird guy, but the content he brings to the table is super valuable!
@rustyroy5385
@rustyroy5385 9 месяцев назад
I see every video and I'm not even a subscriber? So wouldn't say he's getting screwed by the algorithm.
@AbbasDalal1000
@AbbasDalal1000 9 месяцев назад
AMD should have done a 4c/8t Radeon 780m priced it at 160$ to make any sense in terms of buying it
@techyescity
@techyescity 9 месяцев назад
Yes I thought exactly this!
@betag24cn
@betag24cn 9 месяцев назад
4 cores? what year is this?!? 6 cores will be the new minimum soon
@betag24cn
@betag24cn 9 месяцев назад
4 cores? what year is this?!? 6 cores will be the new minimum soon
@denvera1g1
@denvera1g1 9 месяцев назад
My "ideal" APU for 7000/8000 series would be 4 cores, the same cache per core as the 7700x(so the same L3 as the 8700G but for 4 cores rather than 8) 16-20CUs, the full 28 PCIe lanes(24 usable) but then CXL support so you can take those 16 lanes that would normally be a GPU, and instead use them for a 3rd channel of RAM, even if its only PCIE 4.0, thats basically 2 extra channels assuming you're running DDR5 4800(31GB/s vs 35GB/s). But assuming you can get DDR5 6200 to 7600 in gear1, you could dynamically choose if you want to dedicate the fast RAM to the GPU, then share the ~31Gbps PCIe RAM pool between the CPU and GPU, or use it all as 1 pool, but a single pool would be hard to coordinate. Heck having 2 pools means you could get low capacity DIMMs for the fast pool to hit even higher clocks, then high capacity assault DIMMs for the slow pool. 16GB of fast RAM is cheap, but 16GB shared between CPU and GPU is not enough, even at 800p(i have several APUs and 16GB seems to only work properly for the steamdeck) and getting 2 sticks of fast RAM+2 sticks of slow but dense RAM, might 1: be cheaper 2:give you more RAM in total and 3:give you more total bandwidth.
@stephenxs8354
@stephenxs8354 9 месяцев назад
@protonrecuva6717 They mixed the generations in the 7xxx line. The 7840 and 7940 are much better 7xxm chipset equivalent to the 8600/8700G. Rather than the older 6xxm in the 7735
@oscarruorochmolinacansino5907
@oscarruorochmolinacansino5907 9 месяцев назад
Still rocking a 5600g in my build. APUS are super convenient if your use case requires integrated graphics. Thank you for another great video, Tech YES Man!
@xismxist
@xismxist 9 месяцев назад
Me too in this pc... all this hype for the 8600 & 8700G! the result is a disaster, i wouldnt even pay half the price for them
@leonardoyi3183
@leonardoyi3183 8 месяцев назад
@@xismxist why wouldn't you pay half the price? its a very good processor...
@xismxist
@xismxist 8 месяцев назад
@@leonardoyi3183 Ok maybe over half after all, tops 200 for 8700G
@sviktor4
@sviktor4 8 месяцев назад
These G series APU's are only good for two things low power and ITX builds. If there is space for GPU in the PC case you should just use one. These APU's will be great in the future, when you buy a used brand PC (HP, Dell, Fuji), replace the CPU and you good to go, great beginner PC for kids. 4600G and 5600G is already a great option for kids first computer, they can play some games but not AAA titles and later you can add a used GPU. I just finised tuning my silent 5600G ITX system, it uses 102W external brick PSU and only 1 Noctua fan for cooling. Power consumption from the wall min: 16W, max: 90W, gaming 50W.
@shirakolee
@shirakolee 8 месяцев назад
I think in the ram hes missing ram speed/capacity , the ram is what limit the cpu , while the capacity definitly reduce the 1% low Still , its a low watt cost 108p computer , usualy a 1060 will use around 90 watts and the cpu with it will use maybe 50 , so140 , yet this new cpu will use 80 , or even less
@radiantansel202
@radiantansel202 9 месяцев назад
Regardless of somewhat bad pricing (at the moment) or some issues here and there, this still made me so happy, this is THE KIND OF CHANGE I want to see more. No matter how you see it, these integrated graphics just changed the market, a lot of super small ITX cases like that InWin one isn't a "cute gimmick" anymore, you are really able to make "Steam Machines" with these and really portable, the ITX market, the gaming market, and a lot of things just changed with this. Yes, it's pretty baby steps, but seeing a goddamn integrated graphics behave almost as my old 1050Ti, its genuinely jaw dropping, this will help a lot of people if it keeps going like this.
@Selloutsatirist
@Selloutsatirist 9 месяцев назад
Great video. I laughed when I saw your 1060 test bench exactly matched my current rig, down to the PSU wattage.
@benfoster93
@benfoster93 9 месяцев назад
Used price performance just can't be beaten
@KimBoKastekniv47
@KimBoKastekniv47 9 месяцев назад
Even a new budget CPU+GPU combo leaves the 8700G in the dust.
@drsm7947
@drsm7947 9 месяцев назад
Yeah a 4core zen4c with 780m igpu at $100 is much worth it
@popolkupol6948
@popolkupol6948 9 месяцев назад
Yeah building the new ryzen apu is not worth it still. bettter go with i3 12100f and a gtx 1060 used or maybe gtx 1650 it's still solid combo for entry level gaming in terms of price and performance. Building a new ryzen APU's is ridiculously not worth it at all, atleast for now.
@krotkrotkrot123
@krotkrotkrot123 9 месяцев назад
Depends on the location, in my area there are alternatively gifted people still trying to sell used 1060s for 300 euros and up.
@xismxist
@xismxist 9 месяцев назад
@@KimBoKastekniv47 So would a several years old 50 dollar build i did with i5 3470 + HD7970
@OnFight1997
@OnFight1997 9 месяцев назад
The tests were done with 3200mhz RAM? That's quite an unconventional approach to an APU. The results don't surprise me.
@PAcifisti
@PAcifisti 8 месяцев назад
Double that for the effective rate. The results are about as good as they can be with high speed DDR5 (which I wouldn't even assume for a cheapo-APU build).
@pc_screen5478
@pc_screen5478 5 месяцев назад
​@@PAcifistiYes, 3200mhz x 2 = 6400 MT/s which is to be expected and could only be beat with lpddr5x memory which desktop chips don't even support
@Nobbi_Habogs
@Nobbi_Habogs 3 месяца назад
@@PAcifisti Thats not true, with fixing the subtimings you usually get like 20-30% more performance.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 9 месяцев назад
Maybe I missed it, but is the 16x PCIe slot gimped in any way? Like only 8 lanes?
@joggabonkers6380
@joggabonkers6380 9 месяцев назад
it has 20 dedicated lanes. You can get more lanes on a better board like a x670. I saw someone said it was nerfed to 8, but that makes no sense, it should give you x16 on the Pci1 x16 slot on both b650 and x670.
@harleyn3089
@harleyn3089 9 месяцев назад
Yes, they only support 10 lanes in PCIe 4.0. Some (most) motherboards will convert that to 20 lanes of PCIe 3.0. But it won't be possible to run PCIe 4.0 SSDs along with a full bandwidth graphics card. EDIT: Correction, the 10 PCIe 4.0 lanes is for the 8500G. The 8600G and 8700G have 20 PCIe 4.0 lanes, but only 16 are usable. 4 are used to connect to the chipset.
@gorjy9610
@gorjy9610 9 месяцев назад
Only x8 for GPU slot (pcie 4). I'm not sure you'll use GPU which need more than that in combination with any of these APU's so not such a big deal but it would be easier to accept if only 4 and 6 core were available. Anyway, I see them as pointless in DIY market, I'm sure there will be nice SFF offering with these inside from HP/Lenovo but there is no reason for average buyer to get them when is much easier and better to just combine something much cheaper with second hand card or even brand new rx6600.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 9 месяцев назад
@@gorjy9610 good point. the iGPU is strong enough to come a long way, and any dedicated card that would be worth upgrading to will have x16. Or be at least 5 years old, because gimping the interface on cards is a rather recent design.
@frankkurz8161
@frankkurz8161 8 месяцев назад
At half the price (of $230/$330) this APU's would actually make sense. At the current prices absolutly nobody will buy them.
@justinpatterson5291
@justinpatterson5291 9 месяцев назад
Imagine if they gave us a 8900G with 14-16CU's. Or an 8700G with an extra 32-64MB of shared "V-Cache" for both the cpu and gpu to use.
@badaoe3stratsonly130
@badaoe3stratsonly130 9 месяцев назад
gotta save something for the 9000 series refresh
@andreewert6576
@andreewert6576 9 месяцев назад
CUs don't help much, as long as you're bottlenecked by memory. That was the same with 2200G vs 2400G. Cache can and will help though!
@jarnom85
@jarnom85 9 месяцев назад
Wouldnt be that wierd for them to release 8700G3D would boost bowth GPU and CPU performance in gaming. This CPU really needs that extra 16MB of cache + 3D V-Cache.
@qzy-179SanTzxkW
@qzy-179SanTzxkW 9 месяцев назад
Yeah, for what? 500usd?6?700usd?
@harleyn3089
@harleyn3089 9 месяцев назад
@@badaoe3stratsonly130 Yeah, the 9000 series will be Ryzen 5 with RDNA 3.5, and will be much faster than these. Probably 2025 for desktop parts.
@jamess.9743
@jamess.9743 9 месяцев назад
youtube algorithm fkn with you. think you have to make some shorts for them to recommend you
@krosh8982
@krosh8982 9 месяцев назад
you have not been getting screwed by the youtube algorithm this is the first video that's really interesting of yours ive seen on the youtube homepage for about 6-12 months
@RurouTube
@RurouTube 9 месяцев назад
8000 series APU does have hardware encoder and decoder. It has the same video hardware acceleration as in RX 7000 series GPU. Whether or not an application took advantage of it is another thing, but afaik, Premiere Pro does support hardware decoding and encoding acceleration from all vendors, including AMD. Either the support inside Premiere Pro for AMD is not good or maybe there are some other bottlenecks preventing it to perform optimally.
@techyescity
@techyescity 9 месяцев назад
I mean functionally it just doesn't work properly... premiere pro was having issues utilizing it properly, and AMD doesn't even offer relive to use for desktop recording... I mean it technically could be there, but functionally it just isnt...
@GeorgePerakis
@GeorgePerakis 9 месяцев назад
@@techyescity And functionally you're just not a very good reviewer mate. Stick to used builds. Talk to the vendor before spreading misinformation, like Gamer's Nexus did.
@afiamoonlight4073
@afiamoonlight4073 8 месяцев назад
You could've left better constructive criticism instead of going all out to be disrespectful to the guy like he's Linus or something. Functionally, you're a shitty person. Stay lonely, dude.
@leoariasyt
@leoariasyt 9 месяцев назад
ETA Prime tested the 8700G with 7200 Mts RAM and the got around 8 frames average faster than the 6200 Mts RAM.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 9 месяцев назад
8 fps at what point? 8 fps when you only get 20 means 40% more and can make the difference between unplayable stutter and sort of playable. 8 fps when you already have 150 is 5% and won't even be noticeable.
@Datwaltuhdawg
@Datwaltuhdawg 8 месяцев назад
​@@HappyBeezerStudiosIt'll give you a lil extra avg fps, but the real difference is in the 0.1% and 0.01% lows.
@alphaomega154
@alphaomega154 9 месяцев назад
this is another AMD product that led me to believe, that MOST of AMD supporters are HYPE TRAIN "commuters". i remember seeing some youtuber i think it was like "gamer meld" and others that even claimed that the 8000G would easily beat a desktop GTX 1650 or 1660. some even said the 8600G iGPU beats 1660 Ti. and i read somewhere in the internet , article that have people who have benchmarked it, it turns out it cant even beat the old GTX 1080. it is merely equivalent to like 1050 ti or something. and to make it worse, all those AMD HYPERS(probably under AMD's payroll like those devs in linux scene) DID NOT MENTION ANYTHING about the AWFUL PCI LANE configs of the 8000G APU. forget about using multiple superfast SSD. it has PCIE lanes even worse than laptop i think. ooooooh HYPERS. you see those hypers recently go "AMD WON!" simply from announcement of claim made by AMD about their FUTURE product that nobody yet ever get to test. its just crazy. by any respect.
@betag24cn
@betag24cn 9 месяцев назад
well, there is this or intel igpu, your complains are pointless after vega 8 that still kicks intels best man, stop complaining
@ronchum5178
@ronchum5178 9 месяцев назад
These are essentially laptop chip leftovers, which means that they weren't designed for the desktop market, and it shows. This power was impressive back at the start of 2022 when the 6900 HX came out, but now that we're all waiting for a delayed strix point/strix halo, it's barely worth considering. The issue here is that the interest for APUs comes from graphics performance, not CPU performance. I'm not spending 320$ on an 8 core APU for it's zen 4 full speed core CPU, I'd get an x3d if that were the case. When it comes to the desktop market, just give us the most compact 6 core CPU you can (zen c cores or die shrunken zen 2 cores), and as many CU's as you can possibly fit on the package.
@Purjo92
@Purjo92 9 месяцев назад
I think AMD should bring us a 6-core APU with the best iGPU they can (12+ CU's) since that would make sense for budget gamers and those building compact builds. I feel like there are no games that require 8 high-tier CPU cores to fully saturate 12 CU's on the GPU side. Sure, I get that there is an argument to be made that you might want a top-tier CPU for future GPU upgrades, but at the same time, they are happy to cut CPU cache which already reduces that future-proofing potential.
@user-lp5wb2rb3v
@user-lp5wb2rb3v 9 месяцев назад
I love how TYC is the only youtuber giving us the information we really want to know on these new apus Side note, if you somehow manage to get your hands on the intel 164u processor (its the one with the lowest powerdraw, about 9-15w and turbo 30w rather than the ryzen processors which are "15w" but turbo to 50W+) that would be really interesting. N100/N300 also works I cant wait, in 2-3 years we might get a 5-9w "pi zero" but x86 and 8600g in performance, but thats being optimistic
@QingShanHao
@QingShanHao 9 месяцев назад
Thank you very much!!!Another" VS" experiment.
@bledboost
@bledboost 9 месяцев назад
Why not just test the 1060 and the 1650 super in the 8700G system? That way you can directly test iGPU vs the dedicated GPUs without having a different CPU affect the numbers. An even better dedicated GPU to test would be the 1650 non super because it was the last Nvidia GPU that could be powered solely from PCIe bus power.
@CameraObscure
@CameraObscure 9 месяцев назад
Exactly. It's a meaningless comparison. Having different Variables in comparison benchmarking shows a lack of technical comprehension.
@zangetsu6638
@zangetsu6638 9 месяцев назад
@@CameraObscure it's fine so long as the test makes all of the different variables clear and obvious, and this test passes that test. all comparisons are informative, sorry this one wasn't comparing what you wanted though.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 9 месяцев назад
i think the goal of the comparison was wehter it is worth replacing your older system (CPU and GPU) with the APU. If you already spend money for the 8700G, why would you keep your old GPU instead of selling it. And if you have the money to not rely on the resell value to get the new APU, you can still resell it and get a stronger CPU + GPU combo. I'm for example are exactly in that situation. Aging platform that needs an upgrade, and the test has shown that the APU is not better than keeping my old GPU and just get a new CPU/MB/RAM upgrade. So instead of the "is the iGPU faster than the old dGPU", the test was "is it worth replacing your old CPU + GPU with the APU"
@zangetsu6638
@zangetsu6638 8 месяцев назад
@@CameraObscure being unable to see the benefits of Having different Variables in comparison benchmarking shows a wider lack of technical comprehension.
@PurpleTeamer
@PurpleTeamer 9 месяцев назад
I wish you compared performance with the previous 5700G iGPU instead of the i7.
@GeorgePerakis
@GeorgePerakis 9 месяцев назад
I'll give some slack to Brian on this one, he probably just doesn't have one. He's not really a tech reviewer, this channel is mostly about used parts and bargain hunting. Hence him comparing these parts to a used GPU from 2016.
@PurpleTeamer
@PurpleTeamer 9 месяцев назад
Yeah, no problem. I enjoy this channel because of old parts when he reviews 10$ 16 cores Xeons. Being said, I have a 5700G apu and the move to DDR5 was the game changer.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 9 месяцев назад
@@GeorgePerakisand the GTX 1060 and 1650 are still extremely popular. Not as newly bought cards, but as cards people have in their systems.
@zangetsu6638
@zangetsu6638 8 месяцев назад
@@GeorgePerakis what's sad is that even those used parts from eight years ago still outperform this new and expensive APU.
@Willbme4EVA
@Willbme4EVA 9 месяцев назад
Refresh, Refresh and then refresh again! I hit refresh in RU-vid quite often. Without doing this I find I would have missed all the content I was waiting for.
@TC-hl1ws
@TC-hl1ws 9 месяцев назад
I love the real life comparisons Tech Yes provides compared to the other RU-vidrs. Idle wattage, productivity performance, value, used GPU comparison, video encoders; all topics near and dear to my interests.
@shruikan5528
@shruikan5528 9 месяцев назад
Best 8700g review so far but you can add 5600g gt 1030 and gtx 1050
@Rog3rY
@Rog3rY 9 месяцев назад
yes 5600g / 5700g comparisosn please
@betag24cn
@betag24cn 9 месяцев назад
the gt 1030 is basically a vega 8, so just the 5600g, that has that vega 8
@nat99997
@nat99997 9 месяцев назад
The Yes man giving us the test that we really needed. Thank you Sir.
@carlosandres8974
@carlosandres8974 8 месяцев назад
iit has been a long time since i've seen one of your videos glad you popped up in my recommended.
@juanluna_twitch
@juanluna_twitch 5 месяцев назад
I currently have 2 pc's with a r7 5700g and they go over the 80 fps in lows 1080p, now I am willing to spend those couple extra bucks for the 8700g and just slap a 4060, Thank you for your video.
@docprof-pi6bx
@docprof-pi6bx 8 месяцев назад
bro.. this isnt normal, how the F you still dont hit the 1 m subs yet!?! you are one of the best quality and sympathy tech guy on my youtube are you spreading your work on social media everywhere else?
@raven80wolfx2
@raven80wolfx2 7 месяцев назад
Yeah, I can't see your videos until now. Its been strange. I am glad you did this review. I still think 900p to 720p would be a great handheld cpu. Love your channel! I'm going to add the bell notification.
@APU-iGPU
@APU-iGPU 9 месяцев назад
I didn't understand why AMD didn't provide 16 CUs...........
@ahmetrefikeryilmaz4432
@ahmetrefikeryilmaz4432 9 месяцев назад
6:45 the 780M has all a H264, H265 and an AV1 encoder that is even a tad faster than Nvidias, so you might wanna go back and check again.
@bryns7870
@bryns7870 8 месяцев назад
You got this right mate. I need something right now to use now and planning to add in a GPU later and this 8600G makes so much sense to me. Great video!
@johnpaulbacon8320
@johnpaulbacon8320 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for this well done video. Keep up the great work.
@zangetsu6638
@zangetsu6638 8 месяцев назад
this demonstrates that even ancient dirt cheap CPUs and ancient dirt cheap GPUs easily beat AMD's new slow and expensive APUs
@ehrensto
@ehrensto 9 месяцев назад
I just don't get why put in such a powerful igpu in a apu in the price range where people should just buy an actual gpu, instead. We need a Ryzen 3 or 5 with a 780m, not a Ryzen 7.
@Pasquizle
@Pasquizle 9 месяцев назад
I'd love to see how x99 xeons are holding up in 2024, especially the ones that use DDR3, I've got a metric butt-ton of regecc that I'd love to flip in rigs but uncertain of the performance of those ddr3 chips like the 2629 V3, 2678 V3, 2649 V3. Never get to see reviews on them especially in modern games
@POCKETS2DEEP
@POCKETS2DEEP 9 месяцев назад
good progress but I could still pair up a 6 core cpu with an older gtx970 or 980 for less than half the price. You use a 1650 in the benchmark but but 970 can be had from anywhere at mates rates ATM.
@GeorgePerakis
@GeorgePerakis 9 месяцев назад
Yeah but the 8600G as a cpu is one of the fastest hexcores around, the average GTX 970 is going on 10 years old and on death's doorstep, and the AM5 platform has probably at least three more years of support ahead of it. That's just not a fair comparison.
@grizzlyindustries7593
@grizzlyindustries7593 9 месяцев назад
Thank you for looking into this. Shows what the performance is currently on these APUs. Shows the shift at least in that the price to performance for what is now older hardware honestly being better in the long run rather than getting these newer Ryzen APUs. Which to be fair, even most Ryzen AM4 platform with a dedicated GPU like a RX6600 or RX5700 would be a great build for a long time to come as well when it comes to price to performance right now. I would like to know more about the encoding on the entire Ryzen APU lineup though. I'm surprised that these newer APUs don't have any encoding as you say. Does the RDNA APUs not have encoders? Do the Vega APUs not have encoders as well? I honestly just like to know this cause of they don't than man I'm happy I never invested into AMD APUs cause I definitely need encoding. Yet, I'm also sad cause I would love to have an AMD capable solution similar to Intel's Quicksync which I've used for a while now. I could be completely wrong and turns out that maybe these AMD APUs do support encoding like maybe the Vega APUs. I just don't see a lot of information on any of this kind of stuff. If anybody has info on this or better yet experience with this, I would greatly appreciate any info on topics like encoding with APUs.
@mehdimido5270
@mehdimido5270 9 месяцев назад
Wait what? these apus doesn't have hardware video encoders? Let's hope it's just an early driver issue if not this ridiculous!
@paulbeers4105
@paulbeers4105 9 месяцев назад
No. This is not accurate. They do. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Core_Next These are just Phoenix Mobile CPU's on a Desktop platform. There was already a review showing using the 8700G to do transcoding on Jellyfin.
@mehdimido5270
@mehdimido5270 9 месяцев назад
@@paulbeers4105 yes the hardware is there, i forgot that AMD disables the recording option in the Radeon Software for APUs. Either use OBS or modded drivers.
@techyescity
@techyescity 9 месяцев назад
So researching more on the topic, technically they do, it's just after doing my rounds of testing, functionally I just think they don't. It's like AMD doesn't want one of the best features of the APU to be utilized properly (without other suggestions...).
@Squagliafrittata
@Squagliafrittata 9 месяцев назад
They have hardware encoding, it's an error made by this reviewer
@baccusx13
@baccusx13 9 месяцев назад
Fun fact: according to userbenchmark website, the 780m which the 8700g got has the same total score has the RX 6400 gpu and this little fella can come in a single slot LP so... At least it gives an alternative for those who likes ssf itx builds well... Theoretically I didn't tested it out. Great video as always, Brian!
@Megalomaniakaal
@Megalomaniakaal 9 месяцев назад
UserBenchmark is worthless and shouldn't be looked at.
@baccusx13
@baccusx13 9 месяцев назад
@@Megalomaniakaal I would quote Morpheus on this: "There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path.".
@PAcifisti
@PAcifisti 8 месяцев назад
It's not exactly surprising since 6400 is such a turd. Worse architecture and same amount of CU's. Its only upside vs the 780m is the dedicated VRAM. It's a low end laptop GPU put into a separate card.
@vibrolax
@vibrolax 8 месяцев назад
I bought a R5 5600g a year ago for $120. It was fine for non-gaming. I even got ROCm working for AI stuff. Picked up a new RTX 3060 12 GB for $270. Now I can flight Sim and do productivity and creator work for pretty cheap. I don't think I'll spend more money on AM4, unless an amazing deal drops in my lap.
@raikhovalencia3835
@raikhovalencia3835 8 месяцев назад
i remember meeting you on dota quite a while back! you storm spirit i think? anyway love the videos! especially on something as important as this
@pbjames
@pbjames 8 месяцев назад
Hey Brian which systems sell better, windows 10 or windows 11?
@MarkHallG
@MarkHallG 9 месяцев назад
Absolutely underwhelming this APU, I was expecting at least 1060 performance consistently.
@ArtistSoftwareEngineer
@ArtistSoftwareEngineer 9 месяцев назад
Imho - it’s a false economy to buy a AM5 system with an APU just to attempt to future proof yourself, with a view to buying a gpu later. These aren’t that amazing processors vs say a 3700x even, and like you say couple that with a 1060 6gb, and you have a far more balanced system which you can potentially get cpu, mb, ram, and gpu for less that the price of the 8600g alone. Just buy that now and upgrade to a used AM5 system when the second market for that platform matures.
@gamerforever4837
@gamerforever4837 4 месяца назад
What ram speed and timings did you use for the amd? Since there is a performance disparity with those apu's.
@chaz-e
@chaz-e 6 месяцев назад
You should use minimum 6000MHZ RAM to get proper performance of the iGPU
@elmariachi5133
@elmariachi5133 9 месяцев назад
They should rather put less CPU cores and more GPU-CUS on. Six cores are more than enough for 99,99% of applications. And even going down to just 4 CPU-cores would be much better for gaming with the saved space being used fur GPU instead ... but of course they want to sell insanely overpriced GPUs as they learned from ngreedia..
@samh5886
@samh5886 8 месяцев назад
Strange, seen quite a few videos of 7840h/hs getting better/closer results when comparing to a 1060. How is that possible when the 8700g should be unlimited by power/cooling compared to a 7840h?
@kai84m
@kai84m 9 месяцев назад
For the current pricepoint those APUs make no sense except in some very niche situations.
@chovekb
@chovekb 8 месяцев назад
Your thinking makes now sense, cause this level of gpu performance costs at least $100 alone! LOOL
@JeremyLeePotocki
@JeremyLeePotocki 9 месяцев назад
I'm not even recommending these period. If you're needing a small form factor it 'd be cheaper and more efficient to just get a 7840HS Mini PC. I hope that their upcoming Strix APUs are what the leaked roadmaps say (at having 24~40CU in the iGPU) that is the only way to justify the current price. TBH they should have focused more on the iGPU & Price over the CPU core count on these, but they were designed and ordered during the GPU shortage. They are charging way too much to justify the cost even if ASRock brings out a cheap USFF Deskmate case. Right now my PC with a I5 12500T & RTX 4060 has the around the same to slightly less system power draw than the 8700G System you set up (between 135 to 145W from the wall at 1080p) that includes a power hungry Prime Z690 motherboard.
@megapet777
@megapet777 9 месяцев назад
yeah APU is cool idea, but cheaper CPU + used cheap GPU will always beat it.
@AM93000
@AM93000 9 месяцев назад
This is so true
@betag24cn
@betag24cn 9 месяцев назад
if in your market that can be done, yes in my market i cant find decent prices for anything, i had to buy a gt 710 1gb ddr3 at 20 dollars and i got lucky i found that.. so in my market second hand is more expensive than new on amazon more options, better for everybody
@jerrywatson1958
@jerrywatson1958 9 месяцев назад
The prices for these cpus will drop in the next two months. The market has been squeezed too much, sales will suffer so will quality when they try to sell us lesser quality parts for inflated prices calling them "bargins".
@Koos460
@Koos460 9 месяцев назад
Love your videos man
@wdowa94
@wdowa94 8 месяцев назад
How about overclock? APU would be awesome to boost CPU overall performance in terms of big data transfers or encoding / decoding BUT it still needs to be a chomky CPU overall + too small '3d cache' and overall thermals of 'x3d' chiplets
@ProfShikari
@ProfShikari 9 месяцев назад
I have literally just bought myself a 7600, purely because I don’t need an APU, I bought a dedicated GPU for my very first pc build (went with a 7800XT, couldn’t justify the price hike for the 4070Ti Super)
@nenoman3855
@nenoman3855 9 месяцев назад
Kinda underwhelming. The use cases are a bit too niche. It's too pricey for a budget gaming option and the lack of video encoders makes it less appealing for productivity.
@SildurFX
@SildurFX 9 месяцев назад
Can the IGPU be overclocked in those chips? I wonder if it makes much of a difference.
@nathanddrews
@nathanddrews 9 месяцев назад
Full credit to AMD for making the most powerful IGP/APU ever... but yeah, its a very niche one trick pony.
@betag24cn
@betag24cn 9 месяцев назад
well, it is perfect for htp, for itx pcs that do not need gpus and for pcs that will get a gpu upgrade down the roaf, that was the target for all the previous apus amd made, and they were used on all consoles but nintendo switch it is not a perfect solution, but what is? it is real option, not like a intel cpu that only recently offers a gpu integrated that doesnt struggle with excel and youtube, keep that in mind
@nathanc6516
@nathanc6516 9 месяцев назад
APUs are getting better and better. I wonder what they'll be like in 5 years at this rate.
@user-lb4qb6mk4p
@user-lb4qb6mk4p 9 месяцев назад
EARLY❤ Loving the Vids lately btw (I always enjoy them, just just mentioning they been great lately)
@AdamsWorlds
@AdamsWorlds 9 месяцев назад
While results were predictable its amazing how far APU's have came. A high-end APU might end up becoming the better choice when faced with GPU prices in not too long.
@arenzricodexd4409
@arenzricodexd4409 9 месяцев назад
discrete GPU will win anytime. especially on AMD side. their own discrete GPU is their worst enemy to their APU.
@nurbsivonsirup1416
@nurbsivonsirup1416 9 месяцев назад
We've been waiting for this to happen since Llano in 2011 and tbh: with the exception of the stupid mining boom followed by CoviD, there has never been a case where a top of the line APU could seriously compete with even the most basic entry level CPU+dGPU combo. Even in laptops, where the savings in space, board complexity and power should matter the most, we're not seeing competitive offers :(
@AthleticHobo-br4qh
@AthleticHobo-br4qh 9 месяцев назад
Pc apus are limited to ddr ram, and ddr will always be insufficient to feed large gpus.
@Headloser
@Headloser 3 месяца назад
Question. What about allacking PC Ram Memory for the Built-in GPU to be used. I was thinking about my rig that has 32 GB Ram. Would allowing the built-in GPU to use some of that GB RAM>??? Would that make a difference.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 9 месяцев назад
Now that is an interesting test. Can the new APU be a complete platform replacement for one of the (still) most popular graphics cards. And totally fair testing the 8600G with slightly lower RAM/IF clocks. That is what your chip can handle, so it will be a decent example of what people can expect from retail units. But one question is what kind of test the Premiere render was. Some integrated benchmark or a self chosen video? And what target codec was used?
@シミズルリ
@シミズルリ 9 месяцев назад
It's weird that you couldn't use the APU's encoding capabilities when it's clearly stated on their website that these things can encode h264, h265 and AV1 up to 4320p60 8/10bpc. Probably early software issue? I dunno. Anyway, thanks for the video!
@paulbeers4105
@paulbeers4105 9 месяцев назад
Yeah people have already verified that the 8X000G series can be used for transcoding in Jellyfin. It must have been whatever capture software he uses.
@JS-wl3gi
@JS-wl3gi 8 месяцев назад
I have the GTX 1060 and it plays very well, but a APU approach this very impressive. This is the start of the hybrid cpus. Even the latest 14series by Intel not even close. It does all this at a much lower power.
@rd7002
@rd7002 Месяц назад
For an engineer like me who wants good processing power and just a decent enough gpu, this makes perfect sense. In india, this is selling for same price as an i7 12700f. Im building a pc for work and using this processor has helped me eliminate a dedicated gpu and save about 13k ruppees or 150$ . The prices have come down worldwide now I'm sure, so non gamers please look into this.
@martinrichards6683
@martinrichards6683 8 месяцев назад
I'm looking to build/buy a SFF PC for portability. Building a PC using the 8700G would come in at about the same price as a Minisforum HX100G (in my country), which sports a Ryzen7 7840HS and Rx 6650M. The Minisforum PC should be significantly more powerful, and a lot smaller. Any downside for going with the Minisforum?
@Tulkas1238
@Tulkas1238 8 месяцев назад
if i use r5 8600g with rx 6800xt how do you think it'll perform? i know thats an odd question but i need answers bro. can it be as good as 7500f?
@mesicek7
@mesicek7 8 месяцев назад
Cpu performance is gimped like with the 5700g in some games performances will be on the line of the Zen 3 - 5000 series cpus.
@ogChaaka
@ogChaaka 9 месяцев назад
These things only exist so OEMs can put "RADEON GRAPHICS" on the box.
@MadManUSMC
@MadManUSMC 9 месяцев назад
Which Adrenaline driver did you use? The new 24.1.1 has the new features that almost double FPS for these chips along with rx7000 and rx6000.
@87crimson
@87crimson 9 месяцев назад
These APUs are underwhelming AF. The 1060/RX 580 absolutely destroy them. I don't understand why APUs don't focus more on the GPU side of things, imstead of CPU. Who needs that much CPU power on a gaming oriented SFF build? 60 fps can be achieved with absolute toasters of CPUs these days. My theory is that they don't want to cannibalize their console business. APUs have been underwhelming since they got the PS4/Xbox one contracts. There's a huge gap on the GPU market that is not served by anyone these days. We need a 100/120 USD GPU that raises the low end. In 2024 that should be around RTX 2070 levels of performance.
@arenzricodexd4409
@arenzricodexd4409 9 месяцев назад
those APU in console are custom design. AMD and console maker can design the system as needed. for example rather than using regular DRAM they end up using GDDR memory for both system and graphic. on PC the APU are being limited by the PC modularity (the way our PC being build). the primary bottleneck of those iGPU inside those APU have always been memory bandwidth. but realistically not even DDR5 at 10,000mhz can provide enough bandwidth for the iGPU. the lowly GDDR5 (let alone GDDR6 or 6X) used by low end GPU able to offer significantly more bandwidth than what those iGPU are getting with the fastest DDR5 RAM on the planet. can AMD build a new mobo that supports GDDR5/GDDR6 like those console? they can. but how many mobo maker willing to commit to that effort? unless AMD can prove mobo maker that they can sell APU with those unique RAM config in the millions in each quarter then for most mobo maker it is no go. i think this is why AMD end up uniting APU with AM3 socket before where as the first and second gen APU have it's own socket. and there is economic aspect making going with APU is not as attractive than going with normal CPU with discrete GPU.
@dylanneff8338
@dylanneff8338 8 месяцев назад
im still pretty impressed by the performance of the 1060 in 2024. My first gaming pc ran a a10 6800k which i thought was so good at the time, although nothing compared to any modern day APU.
@zhv3062
@zhv3062 9 месяцев назад
The fact these can be used in such tiny cases (because no need for dedicated GPI space) is worth it. I do not really need this as I have 3080 but its real cool how far we've come since Intel iGPU and now APU.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 9 месяцев назад
Yeah, SFF is pretty much where they shine. Stronger than a used GT 1030 or GTX 1650 or whatever they produce in low profile.
@AdmireFiestaGuild
@AdmireFiestaGuild 8 месяцев назад
Back with the 5600G/5700G 3D Performance scaled quite much with memory bandwith. Is this the case for the 8600/8700 as well, as they are a monolithic design and it seems some aleady managed go get Ramspeeds of DDR-10600. It might be required to re-test as soon as better DDR5 are available ?
@antoniocepaj7544
@antoniocepaj7544 8 месяцев назад
This has been most useful comparison for APU's. ❤❤❤❤❤❤. There is no bad product, just bad price. Even with high tax where I am, at 400€ is too much. Will get 7600 for 250, and 140-170 for used gpu like 1080 ti/ or invest around 500€ for 4060 ti 16gb. So much more performance, in small-ish case like COOLERMASTER MasterBox Q300L.
@BangsaBarbar-g2u
@BangsaBarbar-g2u 8 месяцев назад
HI BRO , I AM A FAN OF YOUR UNDERVOLTING ACTION , CAN U UNDERVOLT 87OOG TO 70 WATT (WALL POWER CONSUMPTION) BUT WITH PERFORMANCE EQUAL TO 7840U ALSO AT 70 WATT WALL ?
@cosminmilitaru9920
@cosminmilitaru9920 8 месяцев назад
thx for the video! I'm still happy on my 5600G but I was curious if there are any significant differences yet. Only in price it seems, haha.
@RANDOMNATION907
@RANDOMNATION907 9 месяцев назад
Brian, I have a question: Do you still have, and use, the Asrock B650 Live Mixer motherboard? And if so, how has your experience with it been? Is there any chance you could include it in an upcoming video and maybe do an updated report on it? Maybe compare the B650 Pro RS to the Live Mixer? Thank you, greetings from frozen Alaska, don't let yer meat loaf. OH, and as far as these new APUs, hard pass from me. With the 7600/7700 having basic video for setup and troubleshooting. These APUs are a bit pointless. Just my 2¢
@Cody0ne5
@Cody0ne5 9 месяцев назад
Dude I am more than happy with my Ryzen 7 5700X paired with my Nvidia RTX 3060 12GB (MSI Gaming X) version. Running 16GB of 3200 MHz ram which was plug and play and easily able to enable XMP in the bios. I know a few years down the road I will probably need to upgrade. By then maybe I'll get a 5000 series Nvidia card and the next gen AMD Ryzen chip.
@cocopuffz604
@cocopuffz604 9 месяцев назад
especially with DLSS, FSR and all the unofficial implementions of FSR3. There's life in the 3060 yet. 😊
@loucipher7782
@loucipher7782 7 месяцев назад
8600g is the sweet spot just wait for the price to drop then it will be the best htpc you've ever build with some really decent AAA gaming capability
@bigdaz7272
@bigdaz7272 9 месяцев назад
Been trying to find a Thin & Lite rocking the 780m here in the UK but all the Chips so far come with a dedicated GPU as well. Total madness.
@pituguli5816
@pituguli5816 8 месяцев назад
Would it be possible to see revisit of 7900XTX? I want to buy 4k 144hz monitor and don't care about Ray Tracing and DLSS stuff, just want to play 4k native. I like the way you test stuff.
@LeitoAE
@LeitoAE 9 месяцев назад
Simply speaking - Rubbish I mean... 8700G has a GPU performance around 1050Ti. I bought recently 1050Ti, low profile GPU and was testing it with some older hardware like i5 3570 and Phenom II X4 940 and also put it on very unrecomended here Erying Mobile 12th gen i7 motherboard. The GPU power consumption is around 60W, it does not require external power connector. At stress, it does not exceed 80*C, while gaming is usually around 70-75*C. GTX1050Ti is over 7 years old GPU with TDP similar to that 12 iGPU units build in that CPU. It is really disappointing to see that kind of performance and power consumption. With that kind of iGPU power the R5 8600G should have those 12 or even 14 or 16 iGPU units, because it simply does not have enough GPU power for those 6c12t CPU. You waste CPU potential with only 8 units and when you consider this chip as only CPU unit to pair it with external GPU - you waste your money, because it is cut down version about cache and PCIE lanes... Also - AMD Really? No encoding units? Again?:D I am AMD fanboy, but I also use my brain and calculate things. This is simply a joke, not a good product. It needs to lose half of the price pretty soon.
@Nobe_Oddy
@Nobe_Oddy 9 месяцев назад
Do you have an x670 or x670e you could test these on? just to see if a GPU would be gimped the same way if you put it in the lower, chipset controlled PCI slots instead of the top slot.... I haven't heard anyone bring this up, and it just might be a solution to not really being able to upgrade to a GPU down the road..... it wouldn't be in pcie 5.0 but no GPU runs in 5.0 now except the Intel cards, but there wouldn't be ANY difference between ANY card running in either 4 or 5 .... well MAYBE the 4090, but I really don't think PCIe4.0 is saturated enough to need anymore throughput than it offers...
@craigprocter1232
@craigprocter1232 9 месяцев назад
so content suggestion.. how do the AMD 8x00G CPUs perfrom with the wraith spire and the iceman coolers?
@dima1353
@dima1353 7 месяцев назад
Ryzen 2200g was a hit because it was in the right segment. A budget CPU with an iGPU that comes close to the lower segment of discrete cards - a very clear concept. It’s very clear who this is for and why it’s good. This is a different case and it seems to me that it fills a non-existent niche.
@danield.7359
@danield.7359 9 месяцев назад
I will skip these. Thanks for the review. I want the G-series chips with full cache and above Rx 580 performance. Originally I was thinking to use one of these chips in my next workstation, but without encoder and I guess without rocm support these chips don't make much sense to me.
@zangetsu6638
@zangetsu6638 8 месяцев назад
what is rocm?
@damightyshabba439
@damightyshabba439 8 месяцев назад
I'm on a B450 (MSI Tomohawk Max II), Ryzen 5600X - 32GB DDR 4 (Not OC'd yet - so 3000Mhz)... 2TB Nvme + 72TB external USB 3's. All sounds gravey, eh? Weakness? 4GB 1050Ti... she's still fighting on, all these years later - still giving me "ok" results. but.... its time to consider an upgrade. And its "Do I JUST replace the GFX card, or the whole system?" time. [EDIT] I dont work - at all - on anything. Not bothered in the slightest about Adobe, or Office or whatever - I just watch and play. Nothing else.
@qzy-179SanTzxkW
@qzy-179SanTzxkW 9 месяцев назад
What system(s) were the dGPUs tested on? Did i missed that?
@stebo5562
@stebo5562 9 месяцев назад
These will become more interesting as the price comes down over time. They are never worth it at release
@Hostyl176
@Hostyl176 9 месяцев назад
Okay, I can see the SFF use case, but the "future proof" argument rings hollow when you can get a 7500F and like an RX 580 (2048) for around the same price (+/- $20 USD). You'd have the same upgrade path, similar CPU performance (if not better b/c of more cache), and *vastly* superior gaming performance. With 7500Fs at ~$160 USD (aliexpress), the 8600G is a hard sell at $230USD.
@KEKnightCS1
@KEKnightCS1 7 месяцев назад
my question is well if the apu's are better on power consumption whats their hash rate?
@uhohwhy
@uhohwhy 9 месяцев назад
answer is no saved ya 12 min
@dlewis9760
@dlewis9760 9 месяцев назад
"But I live the van-life and have a solar panel on the van's roof!!!!" He was joking (I hope) to have to reach for some really obscure reason as to why these are any good.
@Sonic6293
@Sonic6293 9 месяцев назад
I just got my 8700G in today for a SFFPC build. Got Arch Linux up and running, gonna take the weekend to get it all tweaked up and see how games run. These APUs are not pragmatic solutions, if they were quadcores with SMT and maxed out on the GPU side, maybe AMD could more justifiably call them an all in one solution for budget gamers. They are very niche, I am that niche, but know what you can and can't do with these.
@stanguay169
@stanguay169 9 месяцев назад
How much ram did you allocate to the GPU in the Bios?
@84BYKER
@84BYKER 8 месяцев назад
Is this a actual thing for improving older systems
@denvera1g1
@denvera1g1 9 месяцев назад
What things thing really needed to be marginally competitive on desktop is the full 28 PCIe lanes, and then CXL support to use that 16X slot for a 3rd channel of DDR5, say use that for the CPU, and then let the GPU spill over into CXL if its running out of bandwidth. Imagine if a nano PC used a 55W 8940HX with CXL, and LPDDR5 7200 in all 3 "channels" Right now there are rare cases where the Z1X can outperform the 6500XT due to the 6500XT's bandwidth limitations on PCIe 3.0. But if the Z1X were given 3 channels of RAM? Would probably win out more often, well, assuming it is given more of a power budget than 30w.
@loucipher7782
@loucipher7782 7 месяцев назад
any way to drop the idle wattage? 65w idle is insane
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