**Hey guys correction, the new APUs do technically have an encoder onboard, it's just functionally I have no idea why they just don't work properly.... (relive isn't available), checking OBS, it does give you the option to use h.264 but it seriously degrades the video quality in this mode, and premiere pro just doesn't work properly with it... lol...
Yes and H264 encoding has always been AMDs encoder downfall. Their H265 is supposed to be superior. I’m also guessing that very few people would try to game capture using an APU….. my guess is the intersection of those who play games with an APu and those who do streaming is very small.
Um... You're testing these CPUs on an Asrock motherboard. Their BIOS has been notoriously glitchy and erroneously using the STAPM technology, causing very serious slowdowns. If you're dealing with that messing with your benchmarks, you need to do these again after the BIOS fixes, or use a different motherboard altogether.
@@paulbeers4105 With the 24.1.1, they said they updated the encode quality of all codec (HEVC/AVC/AV1). I don't know how much of an improvement it is considering not many people, if any, actually testing that, which is a shame, but just going with AMD example it does produce more detail.
@@exxor9108 Just like Brian to use the cheapest, shittiest motherboards available. Channel's all about saving a buck, but you should never cheap out on the board or power supply imho.
My "ideal" APU for 7000/8000 series would be 4 cores, the same cache per core as the 7700x(so the same L3 as the 8700G but for 4 cores rather than 8) 16-20CUs, the full 28 PCIe lanes(24 usable) but then CXL support so you can take those 16 lanes that would normally be a GPU, and instead use them for a 3rd channel of RAM, even if its only PCIE 4.0, thats basically 2 extra channels assuming you're running DDR5 4800(31GB/s vs 35GB/s). But assuming you can get DDR5 6200 to 7600 in gear1, you could dynamically choose if you want to dedicate the fast RAM to the GPU, then share the ~31Gbps PCIe RAM pool between the CPU and GPU, or use it all as 1 pool, but a single pool would be hard to coordinate. Heck having 2 pools means you could get low capacity DIMMs for the fast pool to hit even higher clocks, then high capacity assault DIMMs for the slow pool. 16GB of fast RAM is cheap, but 16GB shared between CPU and GPU is not enough, even at 800p(i have several APUs and 16GB seems to only work properly for the steamdeck) and getting 2 sticks of fast RAM+2 sticks of slow but dense RAM, might 1: be cheaper 2:give you more RAM in total and 3:give you more total bandwidth.
@protonrecuva6717 They mixed the generations in the 7xxx line. The 7840 and 7940 are much better 7xxm chipset equivalent to the 8600/8700G. Rather than the older 6xxm in the 7735
Still rocking a 5600g in my build. APUS are super convenient if your use case requires integrated graphics. Thank you for another great video, Tech YES Man!
These G series APU's are only good for two things low power and ITX builds. If there is space for GPU in the PC case you should just use one. These APU's will be great in the future, when you buy a used brand PC (HP, Dell, Fuji), replace the CPU and you good to go, great beginner PC for kids. 4600G and 5600G is already a great option for kids first computer, they can play some games but not AAA titles and later you can add a used GPU. I just finised tuning my silent 5600G ITX system, it uses 102W external brick PSU and only 1 Noctua fan for cooling. Power consumption from the wall min: 16W, max: 90W, gaming 50W.
I think in the ram hes missing ram speed/capacity , the ram is what limit the cpu , while the capacity definitly reduce the 1% low Still , its a low watt cost 108p computer , usualy a 1060 will use around 90 watts and the cpu with it will use maybe 50 , so140 , yet this new cpu will use 80 , or even less
Regardless of somewhat bad pricing (at the moment) or some issues here and there, this still made me so happy, this is THE KIND OF CHANGE I want to see more. No matter how you see it, these integrated graphics just changed the market, a lot of super small ITX cases like that InWin one isn't a "cute gimmick" anymore, you are really able to make "Steam Machines" with these and really portable, the ITX market, the gaming market, and a lot of things just changed with this. Yes, it's pretty baby steps, but seeing a goddamn integrated graphics behave almost as my old 1050Ti, its genuinely jaw dropping, this will help a lot of people if it keeps going like this.
Yeah building the new ryzen apu is not worth it still. bettter go with i3 12100f and a gtx 1060 used or maybe gtx 1650 it's still solid combo for entry level gaming in terms of price and performance. Building a new ryzen APU's is ridiculously not worth it at all, atleast for now.
Double that for the effective rate. The results are about as good as they can be with high speed DDR5 (which I wouldn't even assume for a cheapo-APU build).
it has 20 dedicated lanes. You can get more lanes on a better board like a x670. I saw someone said it was nerfed to 8, but that makes no sense, it should give you x16 on the Pci1 x16 slot on both b650 and x670.
Yes, they only support 10 lanes in PCIe 4.0. Some (most) motherboards will convert that to 20 lanes of PCIe 3.0. But it won't be possible to run PCIe 4.0 SSDs along with a full bandwidth graphics card. EDIT: Correction, the 10 PCIe 4.0 lanes is for the 8500G. The 8600G and 8700G have 20 PCIe 4.0 lanes, but only 16 are usable. 4 are used to connect to the chipset.
Only x8 for GPU slot (pcie 4). I'm not sure you'll use GPU which need more than that in combination with any of these APU's so not such a big deal but it would be easier to accept if only 4 and 6 core were available. Anyway, I see them as pointless in DIY market, I'm sure there will be nice SFF offering with these inside from HP/Lenovo but there is no reason for average buyer to get them when is much easier and better to just combine something much cheaper with second hand card or even brand new rx6600.
@@gorjy9610 good point. the iGPU is strong enough to come a long way, and any dedicated card that would be worth upgrading to will have x16. Or be at least 5 years old, because gimping the interface on cards is a rather recent design.
Wouldnt be that wierd for them to release 8700G3D would boost bowth GPU and CPU performance in gaming. This CPU really needs that extra 16MB of cache + 3D V-Cache.
you have not been getting screwed by the youtube algorithm this is the first video that's really interesting of yours ive seen on the youtube homepage for about 6-12 months
8000 series APU does have hardware encoder and decoder. It has the same video hardware acceleration as in RX 7000 series GPU. Whether or not an application took advantage of it is another thing, but afaik, Premiere Pro does support hardware decoding and encoding acceleration from all vendors, including AMD. Either the support inside Premiere Pro for AMD is not good or maybe there are some other bottlenecks preventing it to perform optimally.
I mean functionally it just doesn't work properly... premiere pro was having issues utilizing it properly, and AMD doesn't even offer relive to use for desktop recording... I mean it technically could be there, but functionally it just isnt...
@@techyescity And functionally you're just not a very good reviewer mate. Stick to used builds. Talk to the vendor before spreading misinformation, like Gamer's Nexus did.
You could've left better constructive criticism instead of going all out to be disrespectful to the guy like he's Linus or something. Functionally, you're a shitty person. Stay lonely, dude.
8 fps at what point? 8 fps when you only get 20 means 40% more and can make the difference between unplayable stutter and sort of playable. 8 fps when you already have 150 is 5% and won't even be noticeable.
this is another AMD product that led me to believe, that MOST of AMD supporters are HYPE TRAIN "commuters". i remember seeing some youtuber i think it was like "gamer meld" and others that even claimed that the 8000G would easily beat a desktop GTX 1650 or 1660. some even said the 8600G iGPU beats 1660 Ti. and i read somewhere in the internet , article that have people who have benchmarked it, it turns out it cant even beat the old GTX 1080. it is merely equivalent to like 1050 ti or something. and to make it worse, all those AMD HYPERS(probably under AMD's payroll like those devs in linux scene) DID NOT MENTION ANYTHING about the AWFUL PCI LANE configs of the 8000G APU. forget about using multiple superfast SSD. it has PCIE lanes even worse than laptop i think. ooooooh HYPERS. you see those hypers recently go "AMD WON!" simply from announcement of claim made by AMD about their FUTURE product that nobody yet ever get to test. its just crazy. by any respect.
These are essentially laptop chip leftovers, which means that they weren't designed for the desktop market, and it shows. This power was impressive back at the start of 2022 when the 6900 HX came out, but now that we're all waiting for a delayed strix point/strix halo, it's barely worth considering. The issue here is that the interest for APUs comes from graphics performance, not CPU performance. I'm not spending 320$ on an 8 core APU for it's zen 4 full speed core CPU, I'd get an x3d if that were the case. When it comes to the desktop market, just give us the most compact 6 core CPU you can (zen c cores or die shrunken zen 2 cores), and as many CU's as you can possibly fit on the package.
I think AMD should bring us a 6-core APU with the best iGPU they can (12+ CU's) since that would make sense for budget gamers and those building compact builds. I feel like there are no games that require 8 high-tier CPU cores to fully saturate 12 CU's on the GPU side. Sure, I get that there is an argument to be made that you might want a top-tier CPU for future GPU upgrades, but at the same time, they are happy to cut CPU cache which already reduces that future-proofing potential.
I love how TYC is the only youtuber giving us the information we really want to know on these new apus Side note, if you somehow manage to get your hands on the intel 164u processor (its the one with the lowest powerdraw, about 9-15w and turbo 30w rather than the ryzen processors which are "15w" but turbo to 50W+) that would be really interesting. N100/N300 also works I cant wait, in 2-3 years we might get a 5-9w "pi zero" but x86 and 8600g in performance, but thats being optimistic
Why not just test the 1060 and the 1650 super in the 8700G system? That way you can directly test iGPU vs the dedicated GPUs without having a different CPU affect the numbers. An even better dedicated GPU to test would be the 1650 non super because it was the last Nvidia GPU that could be powered solely from PCIe bus power.
@@CameraObscure it's fine so long as the test makes all of the different variables clear and obvious, and this test passes that test. all comparisons are informative, sorry this one wasn't comparing what you wanted though.
i think the goal of the comparison was wehter it is worth replacing your older system (CPU and GPU) with the APU. If you already spend money for the 8700G, why would you keep your old GPU instead of selling it. And if you have the money to not rely on the resell value to get the new APU, you can still resell it and get a stronger CPU + GPU combo. I'm for example are exactly in that situation. Aging platform that needs an upgrade, and the test has shown that the APU is not better than keeping my old GPU and just get a new CPU/MB/RAM upgrade. So instead of the "is the iGPU faster than the old dGPU", the test was "is it worth replacing your old CPU + GPU with the APU"
@@CameraObscure being unable to see the benefits of Having different Variables in comparison benchmarking shows a wider lack of technical comprehension.
I'll give some slack to Brian on this one, he probably just doesn't have one. He's not really a tech reviewer, this channel is mostly about used parts and bargain hunting. Hence him comparing these parts to a used GPU from 2016.
Yeah, no problem. I enjoy this channel because of old parts when he reviews 10$ 16 cores Xeons. Being said, I have a 5700G apu and the move to DDR5 was the game changer.
Refresh, Refresh and then refresh again! I hit refresh in RU-vid quite often. Without doing this I find I would have missed all the content I was waiting for.
I love the real life comparisons Tech Yes provides compared to the other RU-vidrs. Idle wattage, productivity performance, value, used GPU comparison, video encoders; all topics near and dear to my interests.
I currently have 2 pc's with a r7 5700g and they go over the 80 fps in lows 1080p, now I am willing to spend those couple extra bucks for the 8700g and just slap a 4060, Thank you for your video.
bro.. this isnt normal, how the F you still dont hit the 1 m subs yet!?! you are one of the best quality and sympathy tech guy on my youtube are you spreading your work on social media everywhere else?
Yeah, I can't see your videos until now. Its been strange. I am glad you did this review. I still think 900p to 720p would be a great handheld cpu. Love your channel! I'm going to add the bell notification.
You got this right mate. I need something right now to use now and planning to add in a GPU later and this 8600G makes so much sense to me. Great video!
I just don't get why put in such a powerful igpu in a apu in the price range where people should just buy an actual gpu, instead. We need a Ryzen 3 or 5 with a 780m, not a Ryzen 7.
I'd love to see how x99 xeons are holding up in 2024, especially the ones that use DDR3, I've got a metric butt-ton of regecc that I'd love to flip in rigs but uncertain of the performance of those ddr3 chips like the 2629 V3, 2678 V3, 2649 V3. Never get to see reviews on them especially in modern games
good progress but I could still pair up a 6 core cpu with an older gtx970 or 980 for less than half the price. You use a 1650 in the benchmark but but 970 can be had from anywhere at mates rates ATM.
Yeah but the 8600G as a cpu is one of the fastest hexcores around, the average GTX 970 is going on 10 years old and on death's doorstep, and the AM5 platform has probably at least three more years of support ahead of it. That's just not a fair comparison.
Thank you for looking into this. Shows what the performance is currently on these APUs. Shows the shift at least in that the price to performance for what is now older hardware honestly being better in the long run rather than getting these newer Ryzen APUs. Which to be fair, even most Ryzen AM4 platform with a dedicated GPU like a RX6600 or RX5700 would be a great build for a long time to come as well when it comes to price to performance right now. I would like to know more about the encoding on the entire Ryzen APU lineup though. I'm surprised that these newer APUs don't have any encoding as you say. Does the RDNA APUs not have encoders? Do the Vega APUs not have encoders as well? I honestly just like to know this cause of they don't than man I'm happy I never invested into AMD APUs cause I definitely need encoding. Yet, I'm also sad cause I would love to have an AMD capable solution similar to Intel's Quicksync which I've used for a while now. I could be completely wrong and turns out that maybe these AMD APUs do support encoding like maybe the Vega APUs. I just don't see a lot of information on any of this kind of stuff. If anybody has info on this or better yet experience with this, I would greatly appreciate any info on topics like encoding with APUs.
No. This is not accurate. They do. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Core_Next These are just Phoenix Mobile CPU's on a Desktop platform. There was already a review showing using the 8700G to do transcoding on Jellyfin.
@@paulbeers4105 yes the hardware is there, i forgot that AMD disables the recording option in the Radeon Software for APUs. Either use OBS or modded drivers.
So researching more on the topic, technically they do, it's just after doing my rounds of testing, functionally I just think they don't. It's like AMD doesn't want one of the best features of the APU to be utilized properly (without other suggestions...).
Fun fact: according to userbenchmark website, the 780m which the 8700g got has the same total score has the RX 6400 gpu and this little fella can come in a single slot LP so... At least it gives an alternative for those who likes ssf itx builds well... Theoretically I didn't tested it out. Great video as always, Brian!
It's not exactly surprising since 6400 is such a turd. Worse architecture and same amount of CU's. Its only upside vs the 780m is the dedicated VRAM. It's a low end laptop GPU put into a separate card.
I bought a R5 5600g a year ago for $120. It was fine for non-gaming. I even got ROCm working for AI stuff. Picked up a new RTX 3060 12 GB for $270. Now I can flight Sim and do productivity and creator work for pretty cheap. I don't think I'll spend more money on AM4, unless an amazing deal drops in my lap.
Imho - it’s a false economy to buy a AM5 system with an APU just to attempt to future proof yourself, with a view to buying a gpu later. These aren’t that amazing processors vs say a 3700x even, and like you say couple that with a 1060 6gb, and you have a far more balanced system which you can potentially get cpu, mb, ram, and gpu for less that the price of the 8600g alone. Just buy that now and upgrade to a used AM5 system when the second market for that platform matures.
They should rather put less CPU cores and more GPU-CUS on. Six cores are more than enough for 99,99% of applications. And even going down to just 4 CPU-cores would be much better for gaming with the saved space being used fur GPU instead ... but of course they want to sell insanely overpriced GPUs as they learned from ngreedia..
Strange, seen quite a few videos of 7840h/hs getting better/closer results when comparing to a 1060. How is that possible when the 8700g should be unlimited by power/cooling compared to a 7840h?
I'm not even recommending these period. If you're needing a small form factor it 'd be cheaper and more efficient to just get a 7840HS Mini PC. I hope that their upcoming Strix APUs are what the leaked roadmaps say (at having 24~40CU in the iGPU) that is the only way to justify the current price. TBH they should have focused more on the iGPU & Price over the CPU core count on these, but they were designed and ordered during the GPU shortage. They are charging way too much to justify the cost even if ASRock brings out a cheap USFF Deskmate case. Right now my PC with a I5 12500T & RTX 4060 has the around the same to slightly less system power draw than the 8700G System you set up (between 135 to 145W from the wall at 1080p) that includes a power hungry Prime Z690 motherboard.
if in your market that can be done, yes in my market i cant find decent prices for anything, i had to buy a gt 710 1gb ddr3 at 20 dollars and i got lucky i found that.. so in my market second hand is more expensive than new on amazon more options, better for everybody
The prices for these cpus will drop in the next two months. The market has been squeezed too much, sales will suffer so will quality when they try to sell us lesser quality parts for inflated prices calling them "bargins".
How about overclock? APU would be awesome to boost CPU overall performance in terms of big data transfers or encoding / decoding BUT it still needs to be a chomky CPU overall + too small '3d cache' and overall thermals of 'x3d' chiplets
I have literally just bought myself a 7600, purely because I don’t need an APU, I bought a dedicated GPU for my very first pc build (went with a 7800XT, couldn’t justify the price hike for the 4070Ti Super)
Kinda underwhelming. The use cases are a bit too niche. It's too pricey for a budget gaming option and the lack of video encoders makes it less appealing for productivity.
well, it is perfect for htp, for itx pcs that do not need gpus and for pcs that will get a gpu upgrade down the roaf, that was the target for all the previous apus amd made, and they were used on all consoles but nintendo switch it is not a perfect solution, but what is? it is real option, not like a intel cpu that only recently offers a gpu integrated that doesnt struggle with excel and youtube, keep that in mind
While results were predictable its amazing how far APU's have came. A high-end APU might end up becoming the better choice when faced with GPU prices in not too long.
We've been waiting for this to happen since Llano in 2011 and tbh: with the exception of the stupid mining boom followed by CoviD, there has never been a case where a top of the line APU could seriously compete with even the most basic entry level CPU+dGPU combo. Even in laptops, where the savings in space, board complexity and power should matter the most, we're not seeing competitive offers :(
Question. What about allacking PC Ram Memory for the Built-in GPU to be used. I was thinking about my rig that has 32 GB Ram. Would allowing the built-in GPU to use some of that GB RAM>??? Would that make a difference.
Now that is an interesting test. Can the new APU be a complete platform replacement for one of the (still) most popular graphics cards. And totally fair testing the 8600G with slightly lower RAM/IF clocks. That is what your chip can handle, so it will be a decent example of what people can expect from retail units. But one question is what kind of test the Premiere render was. Some integrated benchmark or a self chosen video? And what target codec was used?
It's weird that you couldn't use the APU's encoding capabilities when it's clearly stated on their website that these things can encode h264, h265 and AV1 up to 4320p60 8/10bpc. Probably early software issue? I dunno. Anyway, thanks for the video!
I have the GTX 1060 and it plays very well, but a APU approach this very impressive. This is the start of the hybrid cpus. Even the latest 14series by Intel not even close. It does all this at a much lower power.
For an engineer like me who wants good processing power and just a decent enough gpu, this makes perfect sense. In india, this is selling for same price as an i7 12700f. Im building a pc for work and using this processor has helped me eliminate a dedicated gpu and save about 13k ruppees or 150$ . The prices have come down worldwide now I'm sure, so non gamers please look into this.
I'm looking to build/buy a SFF PC for portability. Building a PC using the 8700G would come in at about the same price as a Minisforum HX100G (in my country), which sports a Ryzen7 7840HS and Rx 6650M. The Minisforum PC should be significantly more powerful, and a lot smaller. Any downside for going with the Minisforum?
These APUs are underwhelming AF. The 1060/RX 580 absolutely destroy them. I don't understand why APUs don't focus more on the GPU side of things, imstead of CPU. Who needs that much CPU power on a gaming oriented SFF build? 60 fps can be achieved with absolute toasters of CPUs these days. My theory is that they don't want to cannibalize their console business. APUs have been underwhelming since they got the PS4/Xbox one contracts. There's a huge gap on the GPU market that is not served by anyone these days. We need a 100/120 USD GPU that raises the low end. In 2024 that should be around RTX 2070 levels of performance.
those APU in console are custom design. AMD and console maker can design the system as needed. for example rather than using regular DRAM they end up using GDDR memory for both system and graphic. on PC the APU are being limited by the PC modularity (the way our PC being build). the primary bottleneck of those iGPU inside those APU have always been memory bandwidth. but realistically not even DDR5 at 10,000mhz can provide enough bandwidth for the iGPU. the lowly GDDR5 (let alone GDDR6 or 6X) used by low end GPU able to offer significantly more bandwidth than what those iGPU are getting with the fastest DDR5 RAM on the planet. can AMD build a new mobo that supports GDDR5/GDDR6 like those console? they can. but how many mobo maker willing to commit to that effort? unless AMD can prove mobo maker that they can sell APU with those unique RAM config in the millions in each quarter then for most mobo maker it is no go. i think this is why AMD end up uniting APU with AM3 socket before where as the first and second gen APU have it's own socket. and there is economic aspect making going with APU is not as attractive than going with normal CPU with discrete GPU.
im still pretty impressed by the performance of the 1060 in 2024. My first gaming pc ran a a10 6800k which i thought was so good at the time, although nothing compared to any modern day APU.
The fact these can be used in such tiny cases (because no need for dedicated GPI space) is worth it. I do not really need this as I have 3080 but its real cool how far we've come since Intel iGPU and now APU.
Back with the 5600G/5700G 3D Performance scaled quite much with memory bandwith. Is this the case for the 8600/8700 as well, as they are a monolithic design and it seems some aleady managed go get Ramspeeds of DDR-10600. It might be required to re-test as soon as better DDR5 are available ?
This has been most useful comparison for APU's. ❤❤❤❤❤❤. There is no bad product, just bad price. Even with high tax where I am, at 400€ is too much. Will get 7600 for 250, and 140-170 for used gpu like 1080 ti/ or invest around 500€ for 4060 ti 16gb. So much more performance, in small-ish case like COOLERMASTER MasterBox Q300L.
HI BRO , I AM A FAN OF YOUR UNDERVOLTING ACTION , CAN U UNDERVOLT 87OOG TO 70 WATT (WALL POWER CONSUMPTION) BUT WITH PERFORMANCE EQUAL TO 7840U ALSO AT 70 WATT WALL ?
Brian, I have a question: Do you still have, and use, the Asrock B650 Live Mixer motherboard? And if so, how has your experience with it been? Is there any chance you could include it in an upcoming video and maybe do an updated report on it? Maybe compare the B650 Pro RS to the Live Mixer? Thank you, greetings from frozen Alaska, don't let yer meat loaf. OH, and as far as these new APUs, hard pass from me. With the 7600/7700 having basic video for setup and troubleshooting. These APUs are a bit pointless. Just my 2¢
Dude I am more than happy with my Ryzen 7 5700X paired with my Nvidia RTX 3060 12GB (MSI Gaming X) version. Running 16GB of 3200 MHz ram which was plug and play and easily able to enable XMP in the bios. I know a few years down the road I will probably need to upgrade. By then maybe I'll get a 5000 series Nvidia card and the next gen AMD Ryzen chip.
Would it be possible to see revisit of 7900XTX? I want to buy 4k 144hz monitor and don't care about Ray Tracing and DLSS stuff, just want to play 4k native. I like the way you test stuff.
Simply speaking - Rubbish I mean... 8700G has a GPU performance around 1050Ti. I bought recently 1050Ti, low profile GPU and was testing it with some older hardware like i5 3570 and Phenom II X4 940 and also put it on very unrecomended here Erying Mobile 12th gen i7 motherboard. The GPU power consumption is around 60W, it does not require external power connector. At stress, it does not exceed 80*C, while gaming is usually around 70-75*C. GTX1050Ti is over 7 years old GPU with TDP similar to that 12 iGPU units build in that CPU. It is really disappointing to see that kind of performance and power consumption. With that kind of iGPU power the R5 8600G should have those 12 or even 14 or 16 iGPU units, because it simply does not have enough GPU power for those 6c12t CPU. You waste CPU potential with only 8 units and when you consider this chip as only CPU unit to pair it with external GPU - you waste your money, because it is cut down version about cache and PCIE lanes... Also - AMD Really? No encoding units? Again?:D I am AMD fanboy, but I also use my brain and calculate things. This is simply a joke, not a good product. It needs to lose half of the price pretty soon.
Do you have an x670 or x670e you could test these on? just to see if a GPU would be gimped the same way if you put it in the lower, chipset controlled PCI slots instead of the top slot.... I haven't heard anyone bring this up, and it just might be a solution to not really being able to upgrade to a GPU down the road..... it wouldn't be in pcie 5.0 but no GPU runs in 5.0 now except the Intel cards, but there wouldn't be ANY difference between ANY card running in either 4 or 5 .... well MAYBE the 4090, but I really don't think PCIe4.0 is saturated enough to need anymore throughput than it offers...
Ryzen 2200g was a hit because it was in the right segment. A budget CPU with an iGPU that comes close to the lower segment of discrete cards - a very clear concept. It’s very clear who this is for and why it’s good. This is a different case and it seems to me that it fills a non-existent niche.
I will skip these. Thanks for the review. I want the G-series chips with full cache and above Rx 580 performance. Originally I was thinking to use one of these chips in my next workstation, but without encoder and I guess without rocm support these chips don't make much sense to me.
I'm on a B450 (MSI Tomohawk Max II), Ryzen 5600X - 32GB DDR 4 (Not OC'd yet - so 3000Mhz)... 2TB Nvme + 72TB external USB 3's. All sounds gravey, eh? Weakness? 4GB 1050Ti... she's still fighting on, all these years later - still giving me "ok" results. but.... its time to consider an upgrade. And its "Do I JUST replace the GFX card, or the whole system?" time. [EDIT] I dont work - at all - on anything. Not bothered in the slightest about Adobe, or Office or whatever - I just watch and play. Nothing else.
Okay, I can see the SFF use case, but the "future proof" argument rings hollow when you can get a 7500F and like an RX 580 (2048) for around the same price (+/- $20 USD). You'd have the same upgrade path, similar CPU performance (if not better b/c of more cache), and *vastly* superior gaming performance. With 7500Fs at ~$160 USD (aliexpress), the 8600G is a hard sell at $230USD.
"But I live the van-life and have a solar panel on the van's roof!!!!" He was joking (I hope) to have to reach for some really obscure reason as to why these are any good.
I just got my 8700G in today for a SFFPC build. Got Arch Linux up and running, gonna take the weekend to get it all tweaked up and see how games run. These APUs are not pragmatic solutions, if they were quadcores with SMT and maxed out on the GPU side, maybe AMD could more justifiably call them an all in one solution for budget gamers. They are very niche, I am that niche, but know what you can and can't do with these.
What things thing really needed to be marginally competitive on desktop is the full 28 PCIe lanes, and then CXL support to use that 16X slot for a 3rd channel of DDR5, say use that for the CPU, and then let the GPU spill over into CXL if its running out of bandwidth. Imagine if a nano PC used a 55W 8940HX with CXL, and LPDDR5 7200 in all 3 "channels" Right now there are rare cases where the Z1X can outperform the 6500XT due to the 6500XT's bandwidth limitations on PCIe 3.0. But if the Z1X were given 3 channels of RAM? Would probably win out more often, well, assuming it is given more of a power budget than 30w.
