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Can we survive on £50 each for a day in Marmaris Turkey? Day 4 Vlog June 2024 

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Come and join us as we have a £50 each challenge day. We aim to have lunch, dinner and drinks for a whole day for just £50 each.
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@RyanC2024
@RyanC2024 2 месяца назад
Got back from Marmaris couple days again. Would definitely go back. Different world to how us in UK live.
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 2 месяца назад
Agree, it's a fabulous place, it always draws us back too
@herculesinwyoming
@herculesinwyoming 3 месяца назад
Fun video, looks like it must be hot there, sorry you didn't get a hand pay yet😅
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
😂😂 we will hope our next trip contains the Handpay haha 🤣🤣 yes it was super Hot 🥵🥵🥵
@ErnestHemingway-m2m
@ErnestHemingway-m2m 3 месяца назад
Почему мы родились в России😢😢😢
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
🥰
@Tommofishingadventures1
@Tommofishingadventures1 18 дней назад
Hi you two, just want to say a massive thank you for the videos, after taking some tips ect... me and my family have just returned from an amazing holiday at alenz suite in marmaris 🇹🇷🇹🇷 our first time there and already planning next year, thank you again and keep the vlogs coming 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 17 дней назад
Aww we are thrilled to hear you guys had a fabulous holiday 😁 Marmaris is definitely a special place 😍
@christinesoto1137
@christinesoto1137 3 месяца назад
You can do it! Can you translate to US $ please? The bars & restaurants stay open soo late (or early).... hi Cathy (keno) Turkey looks beautiful thanks for sharing
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
£50 is about $62. They bars all stay open to the wee hours of the morning in Turkey. It really is a beautiful country the sea and mountain views are breathtaking
@somuchscenes3472
@somuchscenes3472 3 месяца назад
Just curious, how much did you spend all together ? Just so we can compare against all inclusive, been loving the videos. We are away to marmaris this Sunday!
@allnightmike8374
@allnightmike8374 3 месяца назад
Enjoy. What hotel you book? Marmaris is fantastic
@Livvymc
@Livvymc 3 месяца назад
As a couple for 2 weeks self catering (not big drinkers) we take £1000 each - enjoy your holiday x
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Chris spent £540 and I spent £640 as I did more shopping haha 😂😂 it really can be as cheap or as expensive as you want it to be 😃
@TheWarRoomDocumentariesMovies
@TheWarRoomDocumentariesMovies 2 месяца назад
great videos guy love them ,is it best to pay buy card or change pounds over in Marmaris Turkey when needed ,where's the best places top get your lira please .we are over there on the 31st this mount july 2024 for two weeks , any help much appreciated .
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 2 месяца назад
Thank you we are so pleased you enjoy the vlogs. We always bring about 80% in sterling and maybe 20% of our spending money on a card. Most places take card although if you're doing any shopping they usually prefer cash. The best place to exchange our sterling for lira we find was in the little supermarkets they always give you that days bank rate far better than over here in the UK. We hope you have an amazing trip
@TheWarRoomDocumentariesMovies
@TheWarRoomDocumentariesMovies 2 месяца назад
@@HangoversHandpays thanks that's very helpful ,
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 2 месяца назад
@@TheWarRoomDocumentariesMovies no problem at all 😁😁
@loisirene
@loisirene 3 месяца назад
I am def more of a Green Nature Diamond vacationer over your little room 👸 On a hot, hot, hot day beer trumps food in my vacation book. Those burgers looked massive. Fun challenge.
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
We really wanna try green nature diamond 💎 it looks fabulous, but do love the freedom of self catering to eat and drink where we want. You definitely can't beat a cold beer on hot 🥵 day 😍😍 Thanks for watching
@NicolaBrewer-f7d
@NicolaBrewer-f7d 3 месяца назад
I’m so excited I go in 16 days
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
We hope you have an amazing trip
@luvjets
@luvjets 2 месяца назад
Hi C&J - 💷 50 pound challenge - interesting premise - do you ever haggle at a bar or restaurant or only "shopping?" Refreshing sea water at Vamos - especially on a hot day. Every video in this series I am LOVING Joleen with her Hollywood movie star sun glasses 🕶 so chic!!! ❤💋 New York Restaurant - very substantial portions! The burger had all the toppings that Curtis likes. Very fun video guys - many hugs to you both. Cheers!!!!😎💚☘🍻
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 2 месяца назад
Aww Kevin, thanks I love these shades and as you say they make me feel Hollywood glam. We only haggled with shopping, new York was lush!! Hope you and Curtis are keeping well
@Badstu
@Badstu 3 месяца назад
LOL, at last Chris braved the water !!! Don't worry mate the fish like bigger worms :)
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 he'll be safe then
@thebigfish75
@thebigfish75 3 месяца назад
Hello guys ,, brilliant as usual 💪we are not long back from icmeler and had the best time ever ,,, saying that we could not believe how much it has changed price wise , especially for food and drink unbelievable, not a cheap holiday anymore Saying that we are looking at booking orka world in fethiye next year all inclusive Keep up the good work guys ❤
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Yeah turkey definitely isnt a cheap holiday anymore the prices are definitely on the rise and we even seen increases in places just in the week we were there, like they were putting the prices up for the start of the summer. Fethiye or ole deniz are on our list as we want to watch the paragliders and visit the blue lagoon
@allnightmike8374
@allnightmike8374 3 месяца назад
Just watched this. Fantastic upload again guys. Done well for £50 bucks each. You should have went in trotters. Great wee bar.
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Glad you enjoyed it 😄😄 we will go next time for sure, as it did look fun 😀
@allnightmike8374
@allnightmike8374 3 месяца назад
@@HangoversHandpays there’s a proper Turkish restaurant right next to it. The kebabs on skewers are outstanding. They have a proper fire pit.
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Oh that sounds like a bit of us haha
@DS79coyg
@DS79coyg День назад
Whole thing about Marmaris being expensive is a myth. We went for 2 weeks in August just gone, 13-year-old and 2 adults eating out every night and spent on Monzo card total of £649.20. A different restaurant every night and most expensive for all 3 was just over £60 total including a couple at the harbour and beach ends each. Drinks are where the money has gone up, but it was far too hot so mostly drank water with an alcohol drink during dinner only a few times, majority of Efes etc were bought in Migros where they were so much cheaper
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays День назад
@@DS79coyg I totally agree and we say that in a later video that food has somewhat remained the same price for a few years but alcohol is where the price hikes have happened.
@stanleywhite6190
@stanleywhite6190 2 месяца назад
We've stayed at the Green Nature Diamond twice and the food is amazing give it a try.
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 2 месяца назад
It's definitely on our list to stay there
@kevinhayes7830
@kevinhayes7830 3 месяца назад
Another great marmaris video guys great work 😎👍
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching
@shirraalexander6366
@shirraalexander6366 3 месяца назад
Loved your vlog - how interesting for people who are actually on a budget! I thought your got real value for your £50 a day challenge! You have such pretty eyes! X
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 2 месяца назад
Thanks so much! 😊 We think we managed okay and most importantly we didn't feel deprived at all 😍 thanks for watching
@andrewcamplin9682
@andrewcamplin9682 3 месяца назад
great idea looking forward to seeing you try it in Vegas.......OK maybe be a little more difficult
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Haha that would definitely be a hard one in Vegas haha 🤣🤣
@rosasenensis7977
@rosasenensis7977 3 месяца назад
When you show The meny cardigan, please go slower. Its Way to fast, we can’t read it 🥵
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
We do try to pan them slowly, however some of the menus are very extensive. can you pause to read? Thanks for watching
@lornaking3324
@lornaking3324 3 месяца назад
Definitely be getting them migros pizzas when i go, great option for the kids and super cheap! Loving the videos !! X
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Definitely are a bargain especially for kids who sometimes just pick at things. They were decent taste too 😋. Hope you have a great time
@simonmccourt675
@simonmccourt675 3 месяца назад
Super video guys...I budget 100 a day too.Hit and miss in Rhodes..
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
We love Greece too, we definitely wanna go back there soon. Thanks for watching
@theresalaw9793
@theresalaw9793 2 месяца назад
Erm are we able to take some food in suitcase to turkey? You mentioned cereal or super noodles 🙈 I am hoping I can afford me and my eee girl a trip again in Oct watched your review of blue bay before we went in April
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 2 месяца назад
@@theresalaw9793 yes we always bring cereal, super noodles and the likes with us saves a fortune
@johndurante4114
@johndurante4114 3 месяца назад
The challenge would not have been fun in Vegas. Nice job 👍
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Oh we would of maxed it out at lunch haha 😅😅😆
@ChrisandTaraCA
@ChrisandTaraCA 3 месяца назад
I love this video! Can’t go wrong with a cold Budweiser on a hot summer day! On the med for that matter 😂😎 Cheers! 🍻 ❤
@ChrisandTaraCA
@ChrisandTaraCA 3 месяца назад
I’ve never had 🌽 on 🍕 but I’d totally try! Is that a common pizza topping in the uk/europe?
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
You got that right! It was a perfect afternoon 😁😁 thanks for watching guys 😄😄
@ghanotewtacht2438
@ghanotewtacht2438 3 месяца назад
Great vidéo and city l hope visit marmaris july latter good day from Algeria
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Thank you! Hope you have a great time 😀
@ghanotewtacht2438
@ghanotewtacht2438 2 месяца назад
@@HangoversHandpays Thank you, I am now in Alanya and in two days my destination will be Marmaris
@Cathie-yj9zb
@Cathie-yj9zb 3 месяца назад
Great budget day! 🏊‍♀️ 🏊‍♂️ 🍕 🍔🍻🍹The piña colada looked delicious
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
It was gorgeous Cathie 😍 thanks for watching
@seanmulloy6312
@seanmulloy6312 Месяц назад
I go to mamaris a week on monday with my partner and our kids are the boat trips worth doing. Love the videos by the way gave me a lot of info
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays Месяц назад
We love doing the boat trip it's a great day out. Try and get an all inclusive one as the drinks can be expensive on board otherwise. You can go on the bigger boats for about 25 quid all inclusive like the lager black pearl/ pirate themed boats. We tend to stick to the smaller boats as they are less busy and you get a sun bed, they generally cost £15. We have two boat trips on the channel if you wanna take a look. We hope you have an amazing time in Turkey
@KevinOneill-b8w
@KevinOneill-b8w Месяц назад
Hey folks on the £50 a day you can go all incisive to Club Alize. 9am till 11pm. Breakfast lunch Dinner Ajax alcohol & party. Only 2 mins from sinem hotel as well. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays Месяц назад
That's a great tip, thanks for sharing. My mum and dad have stayed there too and loved it 😁
@KevinOneill-b8w
@KevinOneill-b8w Месяц назад
@@HangoversHandpays sorry about spelling. Inclusive. & not Ajax lol
@darrenandblake
@darrenandblake 3 месяца назад
Love your show and you both. Take us places in your hometown too! You’re also soooo pretty! 💜🎉
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Thank you! We are toying with the idea of doing some weekend videos near us
@franciscofredericci4081
@franciscofredericci4081 2 месяца назад
£100 a day for two is easy in Turkey! :) not a challenge :)
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 2 месяца назад
@@franciscofredericci4081 it's definitely not as easy as it once was, especially if you want to go out for a nice meal ha e some cocktails, grab lunch. Most days beside this one we spent closer to £100 per day each.
@kennyspence9805
@kennyspence9805 Месяц назад
You could survive off £20 a day easily so not much of a challenge giving yourselves 50 quid a day 😂
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays Месяц назад
Really? Have you seen the prices in Marmaris?
@kennyspence9805
@kennyspence9805 Месяц назад
@@HangoversHandpays I'm in marmaris right now 🤷 easily done if you eat local food or buy food from the local asda stores or markets
@Mike_5
@Mike_5 Месяц назад
I went there but never knew they did free hand pays so i want a refund the now
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays Месяц назад
🤣
@maureennelson1742
@maureennelson1742 Месяц назад
Hello can you tell me which bars sell the efes summer brew please.
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays Месяц назад
@@maureennelson1742 we didn't get it in a bar, we bought some in the migros to have on the balcony
@garymiller7218
@garymiller7218 2 месяца назад
Did you see the wild boars in the park by your hotel, at least a dozen
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 2 месяца назад
No but my friend saw them the week before
@jason-uk
@jason-uk 3 месяца назад
Another great video and very informative thx for the content ❤
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
We are so glad you enjoyed! Thanks for watching
@JohnNewhall-ik6yy
@JohnNewhall-ik6yy 3 месяца назад
Any chance ye can say what hotel is like and room we’re there September many thanks
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
We really enjoyed our stay here, the pool is great not to crowded and very clean. The hotel itself is spotlessly clean and the family who run it work so hard and can't do enough for you. Breakfast is tasty and can always find something to eat. The location is perfect too one street back from the main road through Marmaris. We would definitely stay here again
@paddydalton6494
@paddydalton6494 3 месяца назад
@@HangoversHandpays another great video guys, just wondering what do you do for data on the mobiles, do you buy a sim or do you get a wifi box??
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
@@paddydalton6494 we just use the WiFi in the hotel, and bars and restaurants while there. Data on both our plans is really expensive so we just leave our phones on airplane mode the whole trip
@paddydalton6494
@paddydalton6494 3 месяца назад
@HangoversHandpays ah ok, cheers guys, thats what we do normally, beginning of August for us, cant wait 😀
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Hope you have a fabulous time 🥰😍
@marymags8432
@marymags8432 3 месяца назад
Well done you two bet you meet the family at 1minute past 12 lol
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Haha 😂😂 we definitely had an early night, think my liver was glad of the break haha
@brandonkock
@brandonkock 3 месяца назад
Bud sucks. Do they have Coors Banquet? It is way better tasting. Just saying.
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Imported beer is limited to miller genuine draft and bud in Turkey. We will try Coors banquet when we get back to Vegas though
@brandonkock
@brandonkock 3 месяца назад
@@HangoversHandpays If you could give me a shout out that would be SWEET!
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
❤️
@dianaallen3707
@dianaallen3707 3 месяца назад
You guys SO got this! 🎉
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Thanks Diana, we're glad you watched and enjoyed 😍😍
@kevinhayes7830
@kevinhayes7830 3 месяца назад
Love max pop in restaurant my favourite place 😎👍
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
He's AMAZING 😍😍😍
@chrisholmes3246
@chrisholmes3246 3 месяца назад
The best bar in Marmaris New York bar Marat
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
We loved it in there
@chrisholmes3246
@chrisholmes3246 3 месяца назад
@@HangoversHandpays been gone there for nine years twice a year only pub in Marmaris that doesn’t rip you off
@lisaskeen7241
@lisaskeen7241 3 месяца назад
Been going to new York bar for 20 years murat and family are the best
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
@@lisaskeen7241 he was lovely, we had a great time there
@jamesbrown3382
@jamesbrown3382 3 месяца назад
thanks again loved it
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@jamesbrown3382
@jamesbrown3382 3 месяца назад
Was the burger place close to Trotters Bar we always stay at Club Exelsior very close to Trotters Bar we will be back again May 26th 2025
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Yes about 5/8 mins walk from club Excelsior, if you go up past seven brothers and keep walking up. It's called New York really great burger 🍔
@jamesbrown3382
@jamesbrown3382 3 месяца назад
@@HangoversHandpays We will be Going to it
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
@@jamesbrown3382 thoroughly recommend best beef burger I've had in a longtime
@philipstokes4093
@philipstokes4093 20 дней назад
had me in stiches on the hangover morning
@philipstokes4093
@philipstokes4093 20 дней назад
going tomorrow - Icemeler - been watching your videos - really good - great work
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 20 дней назад
😂😂😂 he was definitely feeling a bit fragile that morning
@lynzisimpson501
@lynzisimpson501 3 месяца назад
Hey guys from Belfast, love the videos keep them coming. Going to Marmaris for the first time in October so finding the videos super useful. Couple of questions Are children allowed in Vamos? And what time are mirgos open too?
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Yes Vamos allow children in and the migros stays open till 11pm. You will have a fabulous time 😊😊
@maureennelson1742
@maureennelson1742 Месяц назад
Ok thank you.
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays Месяц назад
You're welcome!
@jason-uk
@jason-uk 3 месяца назад
If you're still there and like a burger there's a great burger and beer house in icmeler called Tipsi burger house it's amazing would make great content as they do challenges,also a desert place called wapakuu in icmeler that do wonderful deserts
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Thanks for the tips! We are home now but will put them on the list for next time thanks Jason 😄
@nathanhughes818
@nathanhughes818 3 месяца назад
Is it better to change money out there ? Also do they take pounds in places ?
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
We always bring and change our money out there as they give you a far better rate. Everywhere will take pounds and we just change it in the local supermarkets
@harrycostello-m8b
@harrycostello-m8b 2 месяца назад
Where did you stay in maramis
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 2 месяца назад
@@harrycostello-m8b this trip we stayed in Sinem hotel.
@chrisjenkins5846
@chrisjenkins5846 Месяц назад
​@@HangoversHandpaysthats where we will be staying in a months time....we were at sinem last year and loved it because of the location ...we are meeting up with a friend we met at sinem last year ...what are the prices like there ? It was quite cheap at the hotel last year but ive heard prices everywhere have gone up quite alot, and the place isnt busy at all because its putting people off going ..
@jeffvansloten1897
@jeffvansloten1897 3 месяца назад
That burger and fresh cut chips is my speed. The loud oomf oomf ooomf is not...
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Yeah some of the bars can be very loud, but the food was super good here in this one
@kathygarvey4733
@kathygarvey4733 3 месяца назад
After seeing the guy with all those drinks on his head, the bartenders at the Circa in Vegas need to step up their game. Loved seeing Turkey, I live in Montana, doubt I will ever get there.
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
😂😂😂 I know, right the circa guys struggle with one sometimes. Wow I bet Montana is beautiful in real life, Yellowstone really makes us wanna visit
@kathygarvey4733
@kathygarvey4733 3 месяца назад
@@HangoversHandpays OOOOhhhh YES please do, keep my info. I would love to show you around my part for sure.. 45 mins from the Beartooth Mountains.. just beautiful. Please msg me when your in vegas next, perhaps I could plan a trip at the same time and meet you.
@kovacc24
@kovacc24 3 месяца назад
Do you have to pay for sunbeds, or you just buy drinks/food? Great video btw
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
@@kovacc24 no you just have to pay for drinks/food from their baranf you can use them for free all day
@kovacc24
@kovacc24 3 месяца назад
@@HangoversHandpays thank you very much 😁
@PhilMitchell1
@PhilMitchell1 3 месяца назад
I.was there ten days ago. I bought a disposable BBQ everyday I lived of 20 pound per day in A tent in turunc
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
🤣🤣
@PhilMitchell1
@PhilMitchell1 3 месяца назад
@@HangoversHandpays serious
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
@@PhilMitchell1 I'm sure it was roasting hot in your tent
@ErnestHemingway-m2m
@ErnestHemingway-m2m 3 месяца назад
50 фунтов или евро, что там у них не знаем. Ничего себе как дорого😮
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
It was 50 pounds, this was the cheapest day we had in Turkey. Prices have increased
@ErnestHemingway-m2m
@ErnestHemingway-m2m 3 месяца назад
Поедем с сыном в Мармарис на следующей неделе, в России опасно отдыхать дроны летают, да и вояк в Турции нет, потратим последние деревянные
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Translate text with your camera мы надеемся, что вы и ваш сын прекрасно проведете время в прекрасном Мармарисе. my nadeyemsya, chto vy i vash syn prekrasno provedete vremya v prekrasnom Marmarise.
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Hopefully that's correct? We hope you and your son have a fabulous time in Turkey
@KevinMack-mk3di
@KevinMack-mk3di 3 месяца назад
Did you take your spending money in total gbp. Keep it in your room safe and change into lira each day?
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
Yes we did exactly that. It just works better for us to change it daily
@KevinMack-mk3di
@KevinMack-mk3di 3 месяца назад
Did you keep cash in the hotel? Was it safe having that much cash in the room?
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
@@KevinMack-mk3di we paid £10 for the week to use a safe in our room. It was very safe 😁
@KevinMack-mk3di
@KevinMack-mk3di 3 месяца назад
Brilliant cheers. Just one more question lol. We’re flying there in couple weeks, how much roughly are food and drinks in the hotels. We’re staying in a similar on to yous B&B
@HangoversHandpays
@HangoversHandpays 3 месяца назад
@@KevinMack-mk3di ours was very reasonable 100 lira for a beer which was £2.50. snacks like chips were about 3.00. we have various other videos which show prices and restaurant information which you might find helpful
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