The difference is J Cole is a Black American, who grew up with the African American struggle Drake is a Black Canadian who grew up in a upper middle class house and is trying to emulate that same struggle They aint on the same goddamn boat
there’s a video w like 600k views of some white dude yapping about how ‘black culture’ is bad just looking at twitter clips of places in poverty for like an hour. its named something like “black culture lost the plot” and its just completely tone deaf and does nothing to explain why it is the way it is or how it got to that point. its just that nobody in that comment section gave a fuck abt how weird it was for a white dude to make fun of black culture after white ppl ruined it for the past 200 years. glad to see you posting again keep it up my boy
Germany was completely destroyed after World War 2, but rebuilt within 50 years into the strongest economy in the EU. Blaming the problems in the black community today on anything except black culture is ignorance. Black immigrants to the USA do far better than black Americans, it's not skin colour, it's culture.
Dont be dishonest. The video isnt named "something like" that, that is the title of the video. And the guy in the video was not white, he was black. So either you didnt watch it to see that, or you are just lying.
Dont be dishonest. The video isnt named "something like" that, that is its title, dont act like you dont know which video you are talking about. Also, the guy in the video was black, not white. So you either didnt watch the video, or you are just lying.
If drakes career gets ruined from this it would at most be a slow burn. It took a bit for the average millennial kid to go confidently say "yeah maybe R.Kelly was a creep".
I'm white and in my humble opinion, yes, white folks CAN have an opinion on black culture, but their (our) opinions shouldn't be taken that seriously. I'm from Bulgaria, if someone from the USA right now commented about what in their opinion must happen so the country progresses forward, I would respect their opinion and if it's good, try to learn something from it. But most of the times, it's the same gibberish. You simply haven't lived in here long enough to know. So yes, have an opinion, that's why it's an opinion. It doesn't need to be factually correct. No one truly understands what music is, what sound is and every delicate detail about it, yet we still have opinions on it. But be aware that your opinion doesn't hold much weight. In short: Yes, you can have an opinion but no one gives a shmuck about it. Damn, I said that like a genius...
a genius? yapping about some nonsense. better to keep your opinion to yourself. especially on things you know nothing about or have nothing to do with. like hip hop. genius
You don't need to make excuses for being interested in rap. No other culture on earth gatekeeps and claims things which barely belong to them like black Americans do. They did this when someone referred to the fade as the "Travis Kelche haircut" by claiming the fade haircut was black when it originated in the predominantly white US military of the 40's and only got picked up by black Americans in the 80's. It ultimately comes from fragility and underlying acknowledgement that they have nothing else except rap music and a beef involving a guy with a white mom, enjoy what you enjoy and don't let the most privileged, ignorant, under-achievers in the world tell you any different.
@@princeoffine you don’t what your talking about. Your just mad that it’s true. Look at hiphop. Next thing ur gonna say is Europeans started rap and hip hop. It starts with us everyone else follows. Thinking they have an valid opinions on hip hop. You don’t. Jazz is a music genre that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, Louisiana, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, with its roots in blues and ragtime. Since the 1920s Jazz Age, it has been recognized as a major form of musical expression in traditional and popular music.
Anybody can have an opinion. That doesn’t mean it’s going to be valued. The very origins of rap are rooted in Black struggle and storytelling. That’s an incredibly unique experience that can only be interpreted by the descendants of slaves. Our ability to tell of our pain and overcoming is a soul-bound art that can never be tapped into no matter how many rap video essays people make. It’s FUBU and it always will be. Most whites are passive rap fans anyway and usually lock in on popular artists. For the very few that have eclectic rap knowledge; they MIGHT have a valued opinion, but even then it, isn’t guaranteed.
All the songs in the beef are fire. Let the stans fight each other on twitter, true hip hop connoisseur are eating their best since lemonade by gucci dropped
I’m white and yes, I think everyone’s opinion matters. It’s called Freedom of Speech. Can black people have opinions on Latino culture? Can Latinos have opinions on Chinese culture? Can the Chinese have opinions on English culture? And so on and so forth. However, Freedom of Speech isn’t the right to force people to agree with opinions. Just because someone has an opinion doesn’t mean you need to agree with it. That’s just how opinions work. That being said, as a white man, I see Hip-Hop and Rap as a way to sit back, look, hear, try to understand and empathize with black opinions and black culture. Music talks and is a universal way to speak and broadcast feelings in ways that words alone can’t express. Like with most things in life, I try to judge the content of a person’s character while understanding race and upbringing heavily influenced that person’s current character. No matter what, every culture will have some things we all overlap with and mutually agree are good for us all as people. That being said, I hear and understand a lot of anger from black folks when it comes to Drake and vulture-ing. I see the anger over some Canadian dude that just came over to America and acted like he’s been part of American Black Culture since day 1 for fame and money. Anyone with working eyes can see that’s just not the case. He’s pretending and making money off of a culture he just wasn’t part of. That’s fucked up. It’s cultural fraud. He was a child actor. He didn’t have to struggle for shit and yet he pretends he did. And I can completely understand how pissed that makes people. The content of Drake’s raps in this battle have been superficial at best and it’s plain to see that he’s not a good person, I think most cultures would agree, if you have a child, you should parent them and make them part of your life. It is beyond repulsive to speak with underaged people in the way Drake does. Fucking over and using people on his record label, stealing their talented work. Excessive and reckless spending of wealth. Ignoring the mothers of his children for escort services and pitching tantrums when women he wants won’t be with him. I get why Kendrick hates Drake. I look at Kendrick and see a proud, moral, intelligent, and perceptive man. I look at Drake and I don’t like what I see. If they were both white, I’d still have the same opinion. We see the same type of negative behavior in white people too, and it pisses me off when I hear about it and see it. Kendrick takes care of his people, wrote a whole fucking album owning up to the mistakes he made in his life, and is literally showing Drake how to be a better man. Kendrick’s a present and caring father, unlike Drake. Kendrick doesn’t endanger young people for his own gratification. He’s reasonable with his wealth. He doesn’t fuck around on his wife. And Kendrick’s the genuine article when it comes to American Black Culture. I respect Kendrick for doing what we all need to do more of within all our cultures and that’s check the fuck out of downright awful behavior done by bad people. And genuinely, it’s cathartic as fuck hearing a good man just absolutely destroy another dude who’s fucking up and has the audacity to act like he’s not. And all of that is just my opinion. If you agree, great. If you disagree and If my opinion doesn’t matter to you, that’s your right and more power to you for it.
You need a hundred thousand fucking likes for this take. And even though kendrick has made many mistakes and it's true he abused his wife he takes accountability for it and even talked about it in songs on mr morale and got therapy. I see a genuine person as well. Maybe not a role model 100% of the time, but a strong and influential individual doing their best to make it positive
I’m sorry but I have to call bs on some of these points… For one, not every opinion matters. I could give you my opinion on brain surgery but it means nothing compared to a brain surgeons opinion. Having an opinion on someone else’s culture is the same thing. You are free to say or think whatever you’d like, but if you haven’t experienced or studied that culture your opinion is worth nothing. Too many people forget this and become obstinate or uneducable. Second, Drake is not a culture vulture simply for making hip hop. There are plenty of rappers from all over the world and nobody is criticizing them the same way they criticize Drake. Drake never once claimed to be from America or the streets. Why are we criticizing him as though he did? Most of his career he was considered too soft for hip hop. He sang too much, rapped about his feelings, painted his nails, and was always declaring his love for one woman or another. Now all of a sudden people act like he’s trying to be gangster? Make it make sense. People don’t like Drake because he broke the mold of what hip hop can sound like. He has his own unique style and has been influential to the hip hop game for years. He’s a culture contributor, not a culture vulture. He still has influences but so does every artist. It’s not fair to say because he uses other artists and genres for inspiration that he is stealing. Unless someone has never listened to music before they are influenced by other artists. The accusations against Drake are also questionable. No woman or child has ever accused Drake of being sexually inappropriate with them. There is no evidence either. Yet people jump to the conclusions because they don’t like Drake. Millie and Billie are child stars and so was Drake. It is not out of the question that he was simply giving them industry fame as someone who has been in their unique position before. We shouldn’t assume otherwise without evidence because a) someone should be innocent until proven guilty and b) accusing Drake of being sexual with these girls when they insist he wasnt sexualizes these young girls. Also, there is no evidence that Drake has been an absentee father. He didn’t announce to the world when his son was born but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t in his life. Kendrick doesn’t live with his kids anymore yet he’s a great father? Kendrick also makes songs with future who has his picture in the dictionary next to deadbeat dad yet we’re supposed to believe he’s driven by morality? He’s as opportunistic as anyone else. Hating Drake is in style now so all criticisms against him are sticking. There are politics within the black community as play here as well that are working against Drake. But we should not be so overzealous in tearing down one of the most successful black artists ever that we fail to think critically or just believe every narrative we hear.
@@cmyskinsfan Drake didn't claim his son until a week after when he found out it was actually his. Drake has known multiple girls since 14-17 and took them to dinner and claimed to have sex with some of them once the turned 18. Drake has a picture of him kissing a 16 artist on the cheek at her birthday. No evidence?
But nobody else's plate gets eaten off like mine. And if none of you white commenters get that, I just as well not hear your opinion either. And don't clap back. I've spent a half century trying to educate your grandparents about a movement my parents took part in. And they still think they know more than I do.
i hope to be similar to you on this platform. a guy talking about the music he’s passionate about. hip hop music. i’ve been here since the King’s Dead video in 2018 and i haven’t left since. keep up the good work my guy! one day i hope to be making videos similar (but not like your style) to you!
Ngl I have to disagree with you on the on the "Foreign people cant have an opinion" bullshit. So I'm black and from the UK, can we not forget that Drake also came over here and tried to colonize our black music scene as well fam
I think it goes back to what he said about white people in the states. It really just depends on if you actually understand what you’re speaking about.
as a black dude i be saying what you saying like i know alot of White kids that deep in to hiphop than me and being from South Central LA i knew a Yt boy who had a life harsher than mine, and gang banging the hardest so you cant judge people and i hate people passing on others opinion because of their race and hell alot of stuff you said i would too 💪🏾
99% of the people in the world listening to hip hop does not know the history of it. The opinion on our culture makes us lash out at times because its people who will tell us we dont have a culture. The fact that we have to even explain our differences between us and Africans just further goes with the generalization of races in America. Very seldomly do we get to keep our culturistic creations and get the respect we deserve. It took over 20 years for them to accept hip hop. It isn't all yt people who can't speak on it but it's like me speaking on Mormons just because i go to their church from time to time.
I’m black. Idc too much about this beef, but pretty much everyone has an opinion on everyone’s culture, people are allowed to have that opinion so long as it’s not hateful of the biogical identity, and maybe know what they are talking about with that culture. Even then, some black people may meme on country music regardles of if they listen to it, or joke that white culture don’t know how to season food. Plus, isn’t their more to black culture than rap music, than two rappers talking crap about each other while getting huge bucks for it, with one black rapper saying the other black rapper isn’t black or some bs. People will comment regardless about these two having issues with each other, but these two are not our entire black culture.
Name one time when Cole said he wanted to beef with people. The only time he mentioned beef was on middle child when he specifically said if he’s gonna diss somebody it’s gonna be legit. If he doesn’t have actual beef with Kendrick and just got caught up in the hype. Why would he get involved in that? Y’all just want drama for entertainment and are now putting that on him.
I mean it’s one thing to be like “I think this song was better” but I keep my mouth shut as soon as the conversation of whether Drake is black enough comes
As a white guy who is way too into rap, its definitely upsetting for my opinion to be invalidated due to skin colour. One of the biggest reasons i appreciate rap is because of the Black perspective. However, I can understand why my opinion may be thrown out as well, so I just keep it respectful
Yeah it’s nothing to us. We would ask who are you? We’re learning gatekeeping. Our feelings aren’t hurt if it’s the other way around. But then again our music genres has been gentrified since before jazz and everything else. We walked away from those pretty much So we want to keep something for our ppl.
@@ActuallyJustB Jazz was created using European music theory, taught to black American slaves by white Americans who originally immigrated from Europe, using European instruments, inspired by genres like blues and ragtime which were directly inspired by European genres like marching music, working music and European Christian hymns. Literally, nothing "black" about jazz as soon as you get beyond the fact that black people enjoyed how it sounded so played it more and that was how it spread to the wider white community, it's American.
For me I think if you actually listen and consume the genre of rap your fine. What annoys me is the people who couldn’t even name 3 songs off To Pimp a Butterfly before this beef spreading opinions.
I think you can, but the bigger issue is that vlad is literally sucking the culture for dollars. i do not think he'd be here if dollars and popular culture weren't here. So his opinions on the culture seem hollow.
Anybody can have an opinion on anything. It be black folks having a problem with racism and then we go and be racist to other races and act like it’s ok
It’s funny how everybody forgot that they wouldn’t even be saying “big 3” if it wasn’t for Cole. He has more influence on the discourse you’re participating in than you’re even aware of. He also included drake who wouldn’t be in it if it wasn’t for Cole’s co-sign having that much influence. FOH.
Drake is too big for this beef to really really mess him up- yea people gonna look at him different but as soon he write a hit the mainstream gonna pull a 180
Croc gangy I been here since like 15k or sum shit, and I’ve been hampered with this question since about 40 minutes after BBL Drizzy dropped his lil family matters joint. Thank you for coming through, I’m mostly Caucasian and I know how I feel I just didn’t know how to feel about how I feel. CROCGANG guiding the comrunity 😂😂😂
Lol fr people always say "he shouldn't be big 3" and never have an idea of an actual replacement because nobody else makes sense. And tbh if drake is still considered big 3 after all this, I know for damn sure cole aint goin nowhere
It's basically African culture. Black is not a nationality or ethnicity. After every culture inside of America has contributed to hip hop, there is "no hip hop is my culture". Especially since the entire build of West Coast culture is all Mexican trends, Mexican music samples that Dr Dre uses and Mexican lowrider culture.
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