I built a Power Wagon with everything Rock Pirates offer for the SCX10 with a HW Fusion 1200kv and Ecopower 120 servo and Flysky GT5 radio and full droop on Desert Lizard shocks and some Amazon beadlocks with Proline Swampers and I've beat several flat rail chassis trucks worth twice as much. To me it's all about how things work together and knowing how to see the right lines. Great video and I hope to see more.
Niiiice!! Great setup! I think people certainly underestimate the abilities of these modded stock trucks-that said, it seems like many more are catching onto the cost effectiveness of RPRC and a little tuning and driving time!
It can definitely be an expensive hobby, but I would recommend checking out Facebook groups or seeing if you know anyone personally who's selling a rig-that's the best way to get in cheap! If you can't find anyone, there are definitely options for saving money at the hobby shop as well, such as grabbing a kit instead of RTR and getting some cheaper electronics to start with. Cheers! 🤘🏼
Budget is under $200.00 in my opinion, all three of my rigs together with upgrades does not hit $700.00. That is just plain insanity, what is considered high-end then $3,500.00?
@@DTW-bx2vy What rig would be under $200 in running form? A SCX10 Base camp builders kit is$280 & you still need electronics, body wheels & tires. Most RTRs from Axial are $4-500. Most Traxxas TRX4 are over $500 in RTR. An Element Enduro Builders kit is ~$250 & needs electronics, body, wheels & tires. Vanquish Fordyce RTR is $400. You could get a Redcat Danchee RTR for
For some reason putting together any rig is an experience on its own that anyone can enjoy it I tend to lean more on modify what I have make it what I need it to be but kudos to those who start from the very beginning and build something from the ground up purpose-built #rclife
I totally agree! The building aspect is a totally different and yet highly enjoyable part of the hobby. I know quite a few guys who are mainly in the hobby for the building alone! But I'm always so interested to see each individual approach to building the 'best rig,' as it's always so different. Cheers! 🤘🏼
Great video!!!! So much depends more on the driver's ability and set up compared to how Gucci the rig is. There are things that hedge your bets though, a better servo and a wider torque/speed range only serve to make a good rig better. But, both of these rigs are a good example of why I no longer compete in C2, and only compete in C1 and C3. C2 has morphed into a weird C3 "light" class, and is really just lacking the dig or rear-steer to go all of the way to C3, no longer is it a modified, street legal set up.
Thank you very much! You make many good points. The driver is certainly the deciding factor at the end of the day. And that's an interesting perspective, but I find myself agreeing with you, it seems like C2 is basically just run whatever at this point, just without DIG or 4WS. Definitely makes it an interesting challenge.
I absolutely agree! Ain't nobody talking about how much they spent when we're all having too much fun hitting awesome lines with great friends! 🤙🏼 Cheers!
im right in this same boat i had good electronics from an old bomber and stuffed em into a scx10.2 with some rock pirate towers and im now keeping up with rear steer gspeeds and gspeeds on capra axles and so on i personally love how narrow they are
The Rock Pirates stuff is honestly awesome!! I love the idea of running a standard c-channel chassis and just modding it to make it as capable as the crazy carbon fiber chassis that are everywhere these days. Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it! 🤙🏼🤘🏼
Good morning and happy friday Alec! Couple things I have noticed comparing my cheap and expensive chassis. #1 is the weight of my cheaper element build, it's easily 1.5lbs heavier than my Tgh build. And I do notice a big difference trying to pull that weight up obstacles. Most of that comes from the motor, tranny, and chassis rails. I run a holmes hobbies br mini esc, torquemaster 27t expert motor and the stock element transmission with plastic gears. And I have comped this truck, I didn't do so great at the comps always outside of top 10. Anyways I hope this helps you and others out trying to find a great setup for your comp rigs!! Love your narration on all of these videos! Keep up the great work!!
Goooood morning and the happiest of weekends to you my friend!! Thank you so much for the input, I really appreciate it! It's interesting, I feel as though I've seen rigs that are too heavy to comp, but I also feel like I've seen rigs that are too light and they just can't quite seem to get power to the ground in low-traction scenarios. Seems like you've got to find that perfect balance-maybe somewhere in the just-over-four-lbs range? Either way, thanks again for checkin in and giving this one a watch, you da man, Ryan! 🤘🏼🤘🏼
Great time of the year to go to Moab. It's about 2 hours from my house. I would love to get into crawling. I have a few Kratons I have been bashing with lightly. I like building the EXB so maybe a nice kit would get me into something that is more technical than spending my car full blast over a jump. Great video.
Thanks for the comment! I'd love to get some time in Moab this season-certainly an incredible area! I'd definitely recommend checking out the kits available today, there are quite a few awesome ones in numerous price ranges and build qualities. I didn't put it together, but I've heard tons of people rave about the Phoenix kits (and I love my Phoenix, so I may be biased).
I just got a set of Rock Pirates rock sliders for my Creep Enduro and I have to say that they're very nice. It started life as a Trailwalker and has now gone beyond a budget build but it performs very well.
Nice!! I've heard great things about those Creeps, especially when you start tuning the suspension. And such is the way all my builds seem to go-they start out as budget builds and quickly get out of hand... 😅 Thanks for checking in! 🤘🏼
personally, my goal is simply to build a truck that is as close to an exact scale match to my RL truck as I can... competition is a bonus but mine would be primarily for recreation, but would require a LOT of custom fabrication of parts. still as so much of the RL truck is in need of a healthy budget, I doubt I will get to start doing anything more than collect printer files for parts for a couple years. thanks for an interesting video... good to know a RC can still be competitive without going all out in the parts catalog. even recreational wheeling of RCs will result in competition with friends who brought thiers.
That’s a great way to approach it, in my opinion!! It’s super fun to recreate real life rigs in scale-and certainly quite a bit less expensive, especially when they roll 😂 but thank you for the input, I really appreciate it!! 🤘🏼
since i don't do competitions I run a danchee ridgerock on a injora buggy frame the rig has 4 wheel steer moa axles and duratrax deepwoods rubber and it puts a big smile on my face and I can bolt it up to almost anything to make is an rc crawler
That's an amazing sounding rig! I've definitely been interested in the MOA stuff lately, and I've seen some home-brew creations that can absolutely eat lines! It's all about what puts a smile on your face! 🤘🏼🤘🏼
Awesome! Great video,, Both trucks did very well! I am more towards budget builds being have not real big income right now! But main thing is enjoy 😉 and have fun!! Be waiting on next video bud💯🤘🏻👍
Ye Bro I hear ya, how's this for a Budget build for $240 you can get one of if not the best roller made today the T/A Gatekeeper & with best shocks in the business /another $25 for the best inexpensive Brushed motor in the business HH 5 slot 8T CrawlMaster Sport, the ISDT ESC70 $25 dollars the hands down best esc currently made for Brushed or for $40 the 1080, add some $30 dollar Amazon beadlocks w/ tires of choice w/ whatever radio you want or have laying around & you'll compete with anybody out there..... 👍🏼
I have a couple element budget type crawlers one with rock pirate towers ext on it and other mix of rock pirates rc and IERC parts both are great companies but rock pirate definitely better priced!! I agree with you on these builds can compete !! With high end rigs
Hardly a 'budget' build, nice truck but more than 3 times the cost of my 1:10 4X4 crawler and that has 2 steering servos ( 4 wheel steering) But I suppose a 'low budget' is considerably more in the USA than here in the UK where a 'budget build' is usually under £200 : Just added up car costs and for less than the price of your 'budget' truck I have Four different vehicles. 1:10 crawler. 1:8 MK1 Ford Escort rally car, 1:12 DAF racing truck (races with tractor unit on its own but also includes semi trailer) and a 1:24 Outback 3 Mini crawler. : If I include the Rlaarlo AMD-12 with a few upgraded parts and a pile of Li-=ION and LiPo batteries the whole lot was still under £650. Now that's what I call ''budget builds'
That's a super valid opinion! In reality, it's all about what you enjoy the most, so I'm happy you've found what makes you happy-cause that's all that matters! 🤙🏼🤘🏼🍻
If you have a mill, lathe, can do a little tight weldin, and maybe have a grinder skills you can always compete. Outside of cutting gears it all doable for the normal guy. There are enough quality gears sets out there that are high quality.
Huge difference when your running a comp rig with over 2000$ into it in parts alone with lcg chassis compared to a TRAIL crawler with a stock HCG c channel frame so they will drastically functuon different in all terrains, but just like any other hobbys or sports. Money will buy you anything to the point of becoming the best. I feel like thats most comp crawler guys just based off how much they spent on there rig compared to what normal ppl run rtr, 6-800$ isnt really a budget rig. But in todays market thats what pretty much gets you a base line rtr truck which is horse crap lol, its all in the set up too right! Lcg chassis are extremely cheap upgrade for scx10, that matched with heavy brass weights and weighted beadlocks and it becomes a stout rig with very minimal work needed
Nice comparison. Your rig is definitely plenty capable, probably just a little difference in skill level. I'm finding that the holmes 550 brushed motors in the 8-10 turn range can get some really great wheel speed and still crawl really well. Although I still do enjoy my hobbywing axe system.
Thank you for the feedback! And I'll have to check that out-I haven't found a Holmes Hobbies product that I haven't loved yet, so I believe you there. Cheers! 🤘🏼
That's funny, I would have never known about that given my recent entry into the hobby! It's funny how trends in every niche seem to come and go in cycles, though!
@@highnoonhobby yeah, i have pictures of my venom creeper with a c10 chevy truck body on it, suspension in almost full droop, doing pretty much exactly what these trucks are doing. Sliding the belly across stuff with a lot of articulation. I wish i still had that rig. Something new is the overdrive though, never saw that in a shafty rig until more recently
For start, yes you can, but tires and electronics are no compromise, you'll need the best of both. Rest of the parts you can go with cheaper ones no problem. Later, practice a lot!
Great video showing the differences between the rigs. I think the Class 2 could of won easy. Now knowing your times are similar driving slower would of yielded better results. Regardless great video.
Seems about right! I suppose the beauty is always in the eye of the beholder-so it's really mostly a matter of personal preference as to what you want to do with the truck; both on the building side and on the driving side too! Thanks for the input!
Thank you very much!! And I would tend to agree, I think the greater performance is definitely to be had with the purpose-built lcg chassis. Cheers! 🤙🏼
Definitely visit West Valley Hobbies in Salt Lake City, you'll get the best knowledge of the area from Mike and Zinger! They're been running crawling events in the area for as long as I'm aware!
I can say from experience you most definitely can run a cheap rig and be competitive. But this is not saying go and buy cheap upgrades more so less is more
I like people gasp at the price... save up. You dont gotta build it in a day.. ive had my rig for about 2 year's and havent upgraded much, waiting till stuff broke. But nothing really is breaking, but any way ive just slowly upgraded over the span of a year not all at once, people you gotta pay to play, could do it cheaper could do it for more
The best tuning a powerfull reliabel Servo. Training training training to crawl difficult spots. parts can be mixed from RTR Trucks that the owners sell for cheap like canyon trail tires,TRX4 shocks and on. I like have a low budget truck compete with the way more expensive ones.
Great suggestions, thank you for the input. I think the steering servo is certainly one of the more important components in a comp setup, but drive time is by-far the most important thing to consider overall. Using second-hand RTR parts is a great comp-rig hack though-thanks for the idea! Cheers! 🍻🤙🏼🤙🏼
Lil' Moab is just on the West side of Utah Lake, about an hour and a half or so from SLC. You can Google Map Search "Little Moab" and find an exact pin to navigate to! 🤘🏼🤘🏼 And thank you very much!
So I've got too many rigs, but my favorite by far is trx4 with a 12 turn holmes hobbies trailmaster, 1080esc, and a shv800 holmes hobbies servo....(it will break stuff, way too strong) but my more budget friendly truck was built out of knock off parts, and it does just fine.
Nice!! That sounds like a pretty sweet build for sure! It’s funny how well off-brand parts do, though-sometimes they outperform the name-brand parts! 😂 thanks for checking in! 🤘🏼
No, if you really know how to drive and set up and tweak your rig you can run with pretty much anything that's going to be out there.. I run a 10.2 and maybe $300 total put into it, the things is an absolute monster and I'd put it next to cliffhangers
All the times I have been to Utah, I have never heard of all the awesome crawling you guys do! I just need to know of a shop that does, or a few of the toughest lines you know of ?
I'd highly recommend joining 801RCC Builds and Adventures on Facebook as well as SLUT Crawlers for more info!! Some of my favorite lines are at White Rock out near Dugway, UT and Sand Hollow down South, but there are also many named lines at Lil Moab, just west of Utah Lake!
I’m a maker. I know metal and composites. I prefer to make my own items and or solutions. The problem is I’m not sure what is still an issue. Seems like everything has been addressed. What do you know of that’s an issue in the RC crawling world that hasn’t been perfected yet?
Nice! I still see tons of innovation happening in the RC crawling space, but I am probably not a great person to ask 😅 I'm less technically savvy when it comes to crawling parts than many. But I would say that the best way to figure out where the needs are is to go out and ask the community--so keep doing what you're doing and you'll find something! Cheers! 🍻🤘
This was an interesting one! We're lucky enough to have a pretty large area to pick out lines within, and Luke is pretty well known for picking some tough ones! Thank you for checkin in! 🤘🏼
I'll put my Traxxas trx4 up against either one of them with my suspension upgrade I think I'd give either one of them a run for their money A lot less money
I've actually been meaning to do a TRX-4 update on the channel-I've seen quite a few highly competitive TRX-4's since making this video and I'd bet you're right! 🤘🏼🍻
id prefer to stay close to stock, but that being said then companies would beed to make them more like how most people modify them. too often we rely on the aftermarket, and if that isnt their then models with promise fall by the wayside.
I do agree, it would be nice to see the companies providing more support to keep models relevant longer-but I do also see the utility and the fun nature of aftermarket mods!
You can definitely afford a great rig at that price! I would personally recommend looking at an SCX10.2 or SCX10Pro as a base for the rig. You can go a million different ways with the build, but I love Rock Pirates RC parts, myself. Making a rig competitive really comes down to tuning and testing and tuning some more!
Didn't the better more expensive rig tumble twice off the side? Was that intentional? How come points weren't deducted for that? Thx, new to crawling. Enjoyed the vid
Howdy! I'm not sure when you're talking about, but as long as the rig either: a)lands upright without the driver touching it or, b) the driver is able to upright the vehicle without touching it, then there are no penalty points assigned. That's just the rules for this comp, so that might change depending on where you are and what style of comp you're in. Thanks for the question! Cheers. 🤘🏼🤙🏼
Totally understand that perspective-I think they are trying to cover R&D costs and whatnot, but I agree that they still seem to be pricing out a lot of people by having everything be so expensive. Hopefully as the hobby continues to grow, more budget options will become available! 🤘🏼
700$ "budget"? I got some quite expensive models too (like a Tamyia Panther 1:16 full Option + Extras coming up to $1000), but I would not deem that budget... that would go to an Heng Long tank of the same scale. Didn't know rock crawling was so expensive, but on the other hand: What doesn't if you take it to a professional level?
Hahaha that's how I felt when I got into the hobby!! 😂 But it's crazy what some rigs cost when you add up the costs on all of the specialty bits and bobs. Looking back on this video, I could probably elaborate on how to get into crawling even cheaper-but I think this info still holds up well. As I've been in the hobby for a bit longer now, I think I could probably leverage some secondhand deals and get that price down a little bit. But I appreciate the input! The scale models have always interested me; but I do love how my crawler gets me out on hikes and into places I wouldn't normally visit. I'd say that alone is worth it to me! 🤘🏼🤘🏼
Honestly, I don't personally have a huge preference, but I know tons of guys who run brushless on everything and swear by them. My comp rig has a cheap Reedy Power brushed motor and it does absolutely awesome-but then I also have a brushless motor in every other rig besides my Capra, which is still on the stock brushed motor from the RTR kit. My general logic is that brushless are more efficient, so maybe they're better for trailing? It also seems like their probably a bit more precise than brushed motors-but I think that generality probably isn't always accurate either. Hopefully this helps somehow, although I don't know how much clarity I'm providing here 😅
As a general rule, this is definitely true most of the time. I’ve certainly also seen trucks that shouldn’t be competing together at all, but a capable driver can even close the gap on unfair match ups as well!
The hard part about it is the entrance-centering your truck in V-notches is definitely the goal, however approaching from one side makes it difficult to get both the front and rear to be centered, as you need to overshoot with the front to get the rear to line up. Good observation, though! 🤘🏼
@@highnoonhobby ahh! i see it makes me want to try a rock like that but till its summer snow it is🤣 but thank you for explaining that🤙 makes a whole lot more sense
I would say so! Depends on the weight of the rig, however. If you’re around 4-5 pounds, two stage foams are probably less necessary-but the heavier the rig the more you’ll want to go two-stage. That said, there seem to be a million ways to come up with great traction when it comes to foam options.
When everyone started buying hobby items 😅 but I totally agree with you. There are some cheaper options, but $500-700 for a well tuned comp truck is just how I came out!
@@highnoonhobby I love those little toys but man my family can eat for a month for $700 us and have got 10 kids, 7 still living at home🤣🤣🤣 moral of the story don t have so many kids if you want to still have toys.
I'd recommend looking for people trying to liquidate some extra trucks or get out of the hobby. While this rig would cost just under $800 if you bought every part new, you can definitely find some screaming deals on FB Marketplace or your local hobby forums. Cheers! 🍻
@@highnoonhobby I just got lucky honestly. Bout the g speed rails, skid plate, and servo mount for $30 like new, bought my ar45s never used for $160, sidewinder 4 and slate motor and wheels with hyrax tires came in a package deal for $100, $80 in servo, had the rx/TX, spent $20 on ovanic battery, $30 on high clearance links, plus $60 in the body and paint. So yeah right around $480-500 range. I was just lucky pn some extremely good deals
You can definitely go cheaper, that's for sure! In terms of our comps, 10.2 rigs, especially one with brushed electronics and stock axial tires/amazon wheels like this one, tend to be on the cheaper end of the spectrum.
I’d say driving time is probably still more important than the funds, cause there are some serious cheap rigs out here that just destroy more build out comp rigs! If you spend the time to tune the cheaper gear you can certainly make some cool stuff happen!
Awesome! These are the type of videos I really enjoy. I mean don’t get me wrong, I love the fun ones and the videos that get down to scale and tell little story or whatever but these type of videos help newbs like me learn as I go. All I have to do is jump on RU-vid while I take my daily commute to and from work. I do however still have questions like if you could break it down for me what is the difference between a brushed and brushless motor?Which is better for crawling? (in your opinion) Which is better for all around use & durability? As my final question… Which is best for using in water conditions or mud? Thank you and I wouldn’t mind if you made a video answering these questions… Thank you again Looking forward to your future videos
Thanks for checking in!! And I'm glad we can learn together! I definitely turned to RU-vid as soon as I went down the rabbit hole of RC Crawling, just like I have for many hobbies before. As for your questions, I would say that a sensored brushless motor is the best for crawling, but all types have their own merits. I'm certainly not the one to explain the difference between the two from an engineering standpoint (I could google it and give you that answer, but you could probably do that yourself) but I do know that brushless motors tend to be considered more "high-end" and I have experienced that brushless motors provide better torque, they stay cooler under high loads, and they seem more accurate when it comes to throttle input. When it comes to which is better-it's a lot of personal preference. I like the performance and low-maintenance of brushless, but some swear by brushed due to the durability and low cost. All electronics are different when it comes to water proofing, so that is going to vary greatly. Cheers! 🤙🏼
@@highnoonhobby Thank you very much for the speedy reply… Most of the time I get ignored on the RU-vid comment section when I ask for questions. I Google everything I ever have questions for simply for the fact of getting information quickly at the touch of a few buttons. I have a friend that owns a hobby shop it is strictly RC, I’m trying to get some guys together to do an event soon and he already said he wants to be involved and will donate some prizes and help out with the planning, I asked him to start doing a small class or even a 30 minute RU-vid video for noobs like myself. As I recently stated I’ve been in the RC for many many years ever since I was a young boy, but getting away from them for decades and then getting back into the hobby and seeing all the new vehicles, new types of cars and trucks & categories has been a whirlwind of info it was hard to retain everything LOL I am mechanically inclined so it’s not hard to break the truck down when it’s broken and replace broken parts. Recently I had issues because I modified it and had to make things work where originally they wouldn’t i.e. the shocks on a new axle carrier where there are no points for the shocks to screw into and mount on. I had to think about it and come up with my design. I’m sure I’ll pick up on many things I don’t know but I doubt I’ll be building any class 1 comp trucks Anytime soon lol
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