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Can You Copyright an AI Generated Book? 

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@curtismmichaels
@curtismmichaels 10 месяцев назад
Any time I hear about a company taking a fiction work and altering it just enough to copyright it anew I remember that old Beatles Song, Paperback Writer, from 1966. IP laws have been worked around since they were created. I find it fun to observe how creative people can get when facing such a challenge, even when I don't like what they did. Perhaps the Copyright office should ask Chat GPT to write the new copyright law.
@LTHanlon
@LTHanlon 10 месяцев назад
Or "My Sweet Lord." Or Agatha Christie ripping off Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson for Hercule Poirot and Captain Hastings. Or the team behind "seaQuest DSV" mirroring "Star Trek: The Next Generation."
@cheekysaver
@cheekysaver 9 месяцев назад
I just found your YT today. First thought was, wow, I bet he would be fun to game with! The AI content is amazing. Thanks so much for all the effort you are putting into these vids.
@spincreations
@spincreations 10 месяцев назад
WOW! I also was thinking heavily about Creative Commons or something like that. At least some alternative way of licensing. And I also think that copyright law and copyright in general will have to change. The paradigms shift in so many areas because of AI and copyright is one of the things that will not escape it as well. :)
@comeforaride
@comeforaride 10 месяцев назад
The thing with pirating is that it creates social proof. Similarly how we offer permafree books and use those to capture a reader base and create validation in eyes of potential buyers. The interest and validation then can be used to funnel in the series. I use this method if I'm launching a series: offer free book and use it to promote like 3-5 books from the series (launch them at the same time). Then basically promote new books off that free book and the initial launch books. (Like you would do if you started a commerical RU-vid channel). Oh. And I make the permafree available for use in libraries and with teaching resources if the book series is aimed at little kids. Will intentionally make it about some problem they need to teach in class and give them free lesson plans around the book.
@LouiseTurmenne
@LouiseTurmenne 2 месяца назад
I am an older burgeoning writer/author. Never sought publication for my works as yet, but I would not hesitate to use ai to assist in the first draft of a book, so long as I was the only one to edit before publication.
@MichaelLaFrance1
@MichaelLaFrance1 10 месяцев назад
I'm going to use AI to write the submission to the Copyright office, arguing for the right to copyright AI-assisted works. I'm sure I won't be the only one. AI will be speaking on behalf of itself. Wild times.
@user-fh5gw6cm7i
@user-fh5gw6cm7i 10 месяцев назад
I agree with you, great video
@mogahkhan
@mogahkhan 10 месяцев назад
Would the existing 'ready-mades' art works by the likes of Marcel Duchamp, et al, lose their 'copyrighted' status due to a lack of the artist's hands being involved in the actual manufacture of the found objects they arranged into a configuration and then called sculptures?
@iNeedHugsNow
@iNeedHugsNow 10 месяцев назад
Is it possible to drop a book as a public domain? Or embrace the ai generated content and release it with no copyright knowing that others can’t copyright it either?
@JamesSedgwick-jp6hh
@JamesSedgwick-jp6hh 2 месяца назад
That's an interesting question
@mageprometheus
@mageprometheus 10 месяцев назад
When an AI can "notice" where its latest output needs to be foreshadowed and decide the best scene for it, when it can appreciate character growth and connect wounds and flaws with choices, the climax, and the themes, we are in trouble. Just creating larger LLMs will not lead to emergent behaviour/realized strategy. ChatGPT's plugins and the way it's made from 16 LLMs working together are on this path. At the moment, after an AI finishes its output, it's not mulling over the conversation, just waiting. Future AI will be constantly reconsidering and popping out extra thoughts without user interaction. Imagine where saved chats down the right of the interface have badges indicating further thoughts about previous interactions, where the AI has had an idea about what was previously said. It will easily identify plagiarism and be able to fix it. What will be depressing is when an Amazon AI can take a reader's general prompt and create a masterpiece series on the fly.
@CreativeWebGuy
@CreativeWebGuy 10 месяцев назад
If you look up Michael Anderle you will see he has done exactly what you're talking about. Created a world and opened it for other authors to build on. He's attributed to something like 2200+ books at this point, through his own publishing house. There's definitely something to it. Interestingly enough I've found that a bunch of these AI detectors have trigger saying text I wrote without using AI was AI generated. I think we're already reaching that point where detection is unreliable and wouldn't hold up in a copyright dispute.
@FrostSpike
@FrostSpike 10 месяцев назад
A similar thing was done back in 1978 by Robert Lynn Asprin and a bunch of other very well known authors - the city of Sanctuary in the Thieves' World setting for a fantasy world. The authors agreed to a set of rules; like don't kill off other author's main protagonists/antagonists without permission, etc. There are about a dozen anthologies of short stories and a number of standalone novels set in the world. Sometimes an author will start a storyline, and then another will pick it up in their piece. It become very interwoven over time, including rivalries between authors and their plots. I really enjoyed the series.
@CreativeWebGuy
@CreativeWebGuy 10 месяцев назад
@@muadhnate I never spent the time in reverse yet, so you just validated it further. If the detector is capturing non-AI generated as generated and reverse then that just destroys their validity entirely. The patterns, or whatever, that are used to validate basically don't hold water. It'll be interesting to see which gets smarter faster, the generator or the validator, and to what level they are trusted. I do find it interesting that they say "Don't trust AI responses" but use AI to detect and want us to trust that. Interesting times.
@bellaroses91
@bellaroses91 8 месяцев назад
I mean what is ghostwriting? Isn’t that basically what Ai is?
@bIuecrimson
@bIuecrimson 10 месяцев назад
You should look up uniquenameosaurus who is anti copyright and started creating a fully public domain Web novel and comic.
@milestrombley1466
@milestrombley1466 10 месяцев назад
Good to know. I feared my work might get stolen if I self-published them without a copyright claim.
@blsemetan7232
@blsemetan7232 10 месяцев назад
People are already using Ai on the their written works and throwing a copyright on it. Nobody can tell if they written it themselves or used Ai. It's easy to bypass Ai detectors now. Just ask the kids in school lol.
@UncleIJT
@UncleIJT 10 месяцев назад
Really? Interesting
@kylewilzon8612
@kylewilzon8612 10 месяцев назад
Another good video. This is why I want my books to be free. Hopefully my books will speak for themselves and people will donate to me on their on volition, and hopefully places like youtube will pay me for the ad revenue that i hope to bring from the views. I do think even if my books are free i will still need to copyright them so others don't steal them and try to sell them instead.
@TheGhostchaser8
@TheGhostchaser8 2 месяца назад
The Grateful Dead encouraged people to record their concerts and distribute the tapes amongst fans. They were extremely successful by giving away their music.
@Hazevamp27
@Hazevamp27 10 месяцев назад
I would love it if copyright was less restrictive and just give the original author royalty share for published "Fan fiction"
@The_LaughingHyena
@The_LaughingHyena 10 месяцев назад
Yeah, guided by a human hand needs to be defined. Especially since this technology is being used to produce CP. I know you can't really talk about it on RU-vid but it is a concern that needs addressing.
@bIuecrimson
@bIuecrimson 10 месяцев назад
You can't copyright ai produced content, and I don't think you should be able to. And you should be going over the content and improving it as the base content is usually mediocre. What you can probably copyright is the organised chapters in a book. This is all assuming you admit to using AI which I think the uniqueness of it being ai produced is over.
@Silver_Girl178
@Silver_Girl178 10 месяцев назад
Each AI will eventually leave a high-tech maker's mark-- some kind of metadata behind the image/document itself that can't be copied out. AI isn't going anywhere, but neither is copyright or anything else that makes money.
@virtualworldsbyloff
@virtualworldsbyloff 10 месяцев назад
Yes you can, your AI subscrption, your prompt, your result, your book, HELL YES YOU CAN !!!
@TheNerdyNovelist
@TheNerdyNovelist 10 месяцев назад
My sentiments exactly. We’ll see if it actually translates to law. Go tell the copyright office what you think!
@SpineBuster
@SpineBuster 9 месяцев назад
The short answer is no, if your book is 100% AI generated, you cannot copyright it.
@dontuttle
@dontuttle 10 месяцев назад
Official comment made.
@TheNerdyNovelist
@TheNerdyNovelist 10 месяцев назад
Official response.
@dontuttle
@dontuttle 10 месяцев назад
eh...to copyright office @@TheNerdyNovelist
@rlee1185
@rlee1185 10 месяцев назад
Yeah if I write a book with AI, no one's going to know that I wrote it with AI. I'm never going to tell anyone that I used AI. Even if I use AI, everyone's going to think I wrote it. I don't need idiots dictating laws about stuff that they don't even know anything about.
@lylia5550
@lylia5550 10 месяцев назад
Preach. I shouldn't be ashamed for writing with AI...
@TheNerdyNovelist
@TheNerdyNovelist 10 месяцев назад
Telling people that you use AI is being ashamed?
@lylia5550
@lylia5550 10 месяцев назад
@@TheNerdyNovelist That wasn't what I meant (sorry, I'm not feeling very well today so my mind is kinda all over the place...) You know how people is, how judgemental... The authors who are against AI look down on us and hate us for using it... I think that's the reason most ppl that use it don't tell they do, at all.
@lylia5550
@lylia5550 10 месяцев назад
I keep correcting me because I don't even know what I'm writing... I should lay down...
@rlee1185
@rlee1185 10 месяцев назад
@@TheNerdyNovelist Not ashamed. Strategic. There's going to be old people in Congress that don't know what the heck technology is or how it works that are going to make stupid and silly decisions about what can be copyrighted and what can't, but since the detectors don't work anyway, I'm not going to tell people if they're going to try and say that I can't copyright my own work or make money off of my work or that I have to list AI as a co-author, or that the creator of the AI is somehow entitled to commissions or royalties or something. All of those things are going to happen because they're going to be interested parties fighting for those interests, and there's going to be people who are ignorant of how the technology works that are going to be paid by the interested parties to make certain decisions. I'm not going to give additional power to that ignorance.
@FrostSpike
@FrostSpike 10 месяцев назад
09:35 "...where authors have deliberately made their books free... have actually seen increased sales of their books." So, if all those sales are free, how do they put food on the table, a roof over their heads, and clothing on their backs?
@FrostSpike
@FrostSpike 10 месяцев назад
@@muadhnate So the free books are just "loss leaders" in marketing terms? Good for authors with an established body of work who can make their earlier works, that have already achieved market saturation with them as a "paid products", but not so good for new authors trying to get a toe-hold in the market.
@katka8490
@katka8490 10 месяцев назад
Yes this is how it works. Its a loss leader for the author to build your reader base One book will not replace your job. Even a traditionally published author can't leave their day job when they start out.
@SomeUniqueHandle
@SomeUniqueHandle 10 месяцев назад
@@FrostSpike The idea is to give a sample to entice people to buy your stuff, like deli samples in the supermarket. You put a novella or even book 1 of a series onto a site like Good Reads so people can see if they like your work. It's also used to entice people to sign up for your mailing list so they get a freebie and you have a target audience to advertise to when your books are ready for market.
@keithtarrier4558
@keithtarrier4558 10 месяцев назад
A lot of the ways people want to use AI now, is like going to shop with a written shopping list, buying the products and then saying it is your original. This just now makes me think... AI now it is like buying something from Alibaba Marketplace in China, where you can get almost anything and customise it, because they already know what other people have made before. You send them a few sentences of the prioducts you want, they make it and ship it to. But then... if you want to copyright/trademark/patent it. Not going to happen. A lot of AI at present (ChatGPT, Mid-journey and such) is the digital equivalent the Chinese Alibaba Martkeplace for physical products, but for creative arts. They can copy and replicate anything that already exists, and add some personal touches. But they can no do much else unless you give them specific directions on what you want. They certainly will not offer up a 100% original item to you, that you can copyright, trademark and so on, with out a LOT of your original imput that will past the ests for copyright and patents etc. Hmmm... your PHOTOSHOP reference is not quite right I feel. If you open a blank canvas/document in Photoshop, you can get almost nothing and do not much with out importing another image as a starting point. Yes, you can make some clouds and such... but you need some kind of image to start with it. I have been using it for 25 years now... and clone, fill and all that is so good now, it saves many hours AND the skill you needed 20-25 years ago to just remove one item from an image/photo. With Photoshop, you take the photo or make the first part of the ART before it gets into Photoshop, which then helps you make it better or different. That is what I have been doing with Photoshop for 25 years. Using it as a tool to put all the parts of the final image together, including digital painting and so on. But it makes nothing by itself from a few words. With AI like ChatGPT, many people want to type 5-20 words and get a book as a result in a few minutes. "Would not exists with out my guidance an input", I understand the thought, but now I disagree. It takes your input and guidance, and looks at tens of thousands of similar bits of work, and makes some thing similar. And this IS why copyright and patents exist. Like Alibaba does for physical items. Unless... you have give it A LOT of input, and refine and modify and edit outside the AI program. And this is where, with KDP now asking about AI, and saying AI made or assisted, I see the difference. A LOT OF GUIDANCE: (yes the way you describe the AI writing is correct I think) I am on my third novel, but all this "copyright stuff" started happening when working on my second novel. So... it got me thinking. - I copied every prompt I used in my main ChatGPT prompt for the 2nd novel, and put it in a docx, to see the word count. - My (1980s style pulp fiction action novel) novel was 63,000 words after I completely finished it, which had a lot of my editing and so forth. - The number of words I typed and input into my main Chatgpt prompt/chat: 58,000! - Plus, I have a secondary chat going for research, brainstorming, questions, AND character names and bios, and all such things you research for a believable fiction book... that would easily be 30,000 words I typed. - AND, the 2 weeks of originally creating the 2 writing styles that I painstakingly crafted with 2 other Chats, that are each 750+ words. - AND I regularly update those writing styles, and feed them back in. For example, when it uses a phrase or idea too often. I did more work than ChatGPT did, but I COULD NOT get the same end result with out it. As I have said before on some of your uploads: If this was a movie, and not a novel, I am the director/producer/script writer/editor and so on, and ChatGPT is the production crew who make most of that happen according to my direction, input, feedback and so on. And it is an end result that I imagined and wanted, but could never do by myself. Now I can do it by myself, with ChatGPT but I still do the heavy lifting. *Disney and big companies on etc actually EXPLOITED copyright and forced the laws to change. Copyright and Patents were originally created to protect the smaller guy who made something from the big companies who would just come in, copy and replicate and use their scales of mass production to make it cheaper, and their huge influence in shops and retail and such to sell that product at a price cheaper than the original and so on. DISNEY has stolen so much from so many! Copyright can not protect small creators now, because the legals are just way too much! The post copyright world is when someone takes you AI created book from KDP, 100% copies/scans/digitizes it and re-uploads to KDP and you can do nothing. And, there are MANY popular social media accounts who do that for ANYTHING, and sell a product. Often the person they stole it from is in a different country, so they know they can not afford foreign legal fees. The fast retail world of clothing is now FULL of companies in China and such, just taking artwork from small artists in other countries, and pumping out tons of products with that design, and selling millions of dollars worth and the local artist in which ever country it is gets NOTHING. ** FUN FACT: the word "THE".. which as a kid, I wanted to try "copyright"and get 1c per day for any book, magazine or newspaper etc who used the word "THE"... LOL.. could not happen. Too common. So me being a billionaire teenager was shot down before I was a teenager! LOL** 1% or pirated works perhaps get the author more sales. Almost never happens. that is a fake fact. When people get free, 99% they never want to pay again. I do agree with the courts when they say, Ai did most the work, and so just like now with copyright, TM and patents of physical products... you can not patent something that already exists unless you add substantial changes, like shoe shapes/styles and such. Or a shovel, a glass, a vase and so on. ---> Keep up the good work with your videos on this subject. It certainly brings a lot of attention, thought, ideas and such to the AI writing world.
@hearnoevilsa655
@hearnoevilsa655 10 месяцев назад
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@hearnoevilsa655
@hearnoevilsa655 10 месяцев назад
was it an american judge lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Leto2ndAtreides
@Leto2ndAtreides 10 месяцев назад
Who cares. It's not like they can prove how you made it, or how much effort you put in.
@canaisyoung3601
@canaisyoung3601 10 месяцев назад
I know, right. But still, it's nice to know any legal issues I might encounter (though I'm more into using AI as the ghostwriter/writing partner I've always wanted and can afford, where AI will give me ideas and I can use that for my writing)
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