Can you correctly say these 3 Japanese words? (Actual Japanese lesson) / 日本語の発音レッスン 

I mean, are they?

Oh I see. It just ended, wondering where the punchline was.

@@DucksAreEpic honestly yes and no to a fair few of them, even in humor it helps me remember certain things better to hear them used.

@@bmac4 Yeah, I'm not remotely good enough to confirm or falsify this, but I have the assumption that this sort of playful poking at assumptions and bad habits is actually the perfect way (next to regular vocab study) for teaching advanced language, especially like C1-C2 and above.

@@TheHadMatters What you're talking about are mnemonics, which are learning aids for memorizing information. Wordplay, acronyms, and songs are all examples of mnemonics to help you learn things. Just as an example, I can remember the words "vita" and "somnus" are references to "life" and "sleep" because a Latin teacher taught me the words to "Row, Row, Row Your Boat" in Latin.

緑色い猫の英語上手

I agree, i end up spending most of my time on everything other than pitch accent lol

Girldm watches Dogen? A surprise to be sure, but an welcome one

Yooooooo

Glad to see familiar people in this lesson comment section!

That's a good point, now that you mention I hear that a lot, and tbh am probably guilty of.

The English accent is probably one of the worst for Japanese. It doesn't have 5 extreme vowels like many romance languages, and it tends to turn unaccented vowels into schwas. The time interval between accented syllables is also more or less the same, which means a varying number of unaccented ones get sandwiched in between. It's that combo of features that all go opposite to what Japanese does and together make Japanese with a heavy English accent really hard to understand compared to other foreign accents. The jozu-est of 'em all: "wuhTAAshuh n'NAAmay woah JOHN SMITH DAYSSuh"

Persona 5 Royal is SO guilty of this it’s like the voice director forced every single official pronunciation to accent the second syllable and it’s so weird

@@HyperLuigi37 Well what reason would anybody have to play Persona in english in the first place?

@@tripple-a6031 I thought it was a good dub other than that tbh Playing a Japan-set game dub means accepting that silly things like “YOU SPEAK JAPANESE??” >is speaking English, will happen i still really enjoyed the dub, just the stresses on the second syllable every time sounded so bad

Same here lol

I can hear the difference just fine when the words are in isolation and contrasted. If I just hear the word and have to pick out the accent pattern, I can still usually do it correctly, but there will be a bunch of mistakes still. If I have to recognize the pattern of a word in a sentence, though... oof. Especially if I'm not actively listening for it, it is unlikely I'd pick up on it. I've pronounced 塩 incorrectly for a long time... until I watched a Japanese Let's Play of Subnautica where the player screamed 塩！Because it was said so emphatically, the accent pattern was very apparent and I realised I got it wrong the whole time. It's really quite hard to get the accents right and I already have the advantage of speaking two languages. (And two sets of common accent patterns) Though admittedly, they are closely related - English and German.

It's very good to be humble, but I think it's also a good idea to start feelin' yourself and praising your own improvement when you can. On a related note, I'm only making this comment because I immediately recognized 塩 in the comment above mine and I felt really good about it lol. Progress never feels like it's where I want it to be, but stuff like that is a large motivator for me. Helps to know I'm at least making _some_ progress.

@@Yotanido SO... who played that Subnautica let's play? and what ep? thanks

At least it’s easier for us to say banana and computer accentless for us 8).

I'm Finnish and can very much relate to this even though Finnish is not as monotone as French.

French isn't accentless, though. Its emphasis is on the last syllable

@@emppp meh, it depends on where you're from and your intent, but on a practical aspect, emphasizing parts of words does nothing to their meaning. For jokes, or conveying things like sarcasm, maybe, and even then it will depend on your regional accent (sometimes) and context.

@@aymerika97 Sure, but it's not particularly common for emphasis to affect meaning in English or Japanese, either. There are some words that sound the same but have different stressed syllables / pitch accent, but those are the exceptions. Most of the time, it's not the meaning, just the pronunciation. Of course, the difference is that in French it's ALWAYS the last syllable, not varied, but it is still always on the last syllable. It would be weird to emphasize another syllable or to not emphasize it. And in any case, the point remains that isn't emphasis-less as claimed

tensaidesune!

言ったな

😭😄

When it says actual Japanese lesson and I doubt more.... 😅

Uhh... How will knowing what group various languages belong to make it clearer for some people? Also, what do you mean "Tone accent"? The languages you mentioned are tonal languages, where each syllable gets its own independent tone. That's not really an "accent" since no syllable is being accentuated. (Besides, a language that uses tone to accentuate syllables is a pitch-accent language.)

Turkish is pretty flat tho.

nnoooppe, it isn't

@@betulkorkut5215 örnek verir misiniz?

@@joededimanadedi most Japanese people would describe Japanese as flat too, it's just coz the pitch changes sound normal to them.

He is American

I think it is paramount to eigo jouzu Dogen whenever possible.

IF you are told that. I'm nowhere near fluent in Japanese, so I don't have any personal experience, but from what I hear Japanese people are generally unlikely to correct your pronunciation, even if you ask for it. I suspect that, if you were told you got the accent wrong every time you did, you'd fix it relatively quickly. The real problem is not even knowing you're doing it wrong.

@@Yotanido true and that's a cultural thing. "Nihongo jōzu" is very unhelpful even though it's the polite canned response almost every time you attempt to converse for practice. I politely correct non-native English speakers (and native speakers too, lol) if there is a grammar or pronunciation error. As long as you are earnest and don't come off as condescending, I've found I've gotten more gratitude from ESLs than anger and I always encourage corrections from native speakers when I attempt to converse in another language. It's the best way to learn.

「道玄さんがこういった初心者に非常に役立つレッスンができることに驚きが隠せないよ。なんと詳細で適切な説明であることか。私のような人がPatreonを通じて応援するのも当然だ。彼のようつべの内容はとても啓発的で多くの情報が込められており、見る価値のある物だと私は考える。」 I am sorry if it was annoying. I just read your comment and tried to correct it. Some part of the paragraph were grammatically wrong so I speculated your thoughts and changed them. I hope it helps you to learn Japanese. ps. I’m Japanese learning English, so my English sentence might be incorrect. Sorry about that.

Wait im Finnish and I struggle with Hi low low accent 😶

みつきさんはアナウンサーかなにかを目指していらっしゃるのでしょうか？

Lol

I don't think you should be studying pitch accent in this much detail if you say いい勉強になりました lol

@@High_Priest_Jonko Hey you seem 日本語上手. Do people normally use teneigo when they talk online? I don’t wanna sound like a weirdo when i comment on my favorite japanese motovloggers’ videos 😓

No stressed syllables at all?

Yep. Lo que pasa es que en ingles no usan acentos o silaba tonica en las palabras. O por lo menos no lo usan ampliamente y por eso batallan tanto para entender la diferencia. Spanish ftw.

Jouzu you too, brother.

Today I saw a tweet making fun of youtubers not being able to pronounce Japanese names. The funny thing is that I guarantee these people themselves can’t say Japanese names correctly as they probably don’t have a concept of pitch accent and devoicing. They also tend to mess up the vowels by saying them in an English way. It was just so funny to see them being so smug and “holier than thou” while not being able to pronounce names themselves.

Watching Game Grumps play Danganronpa and the way they say "NaGEEto" is just... something.

Not NaRUto, NeyROOLtow.

​@@yaboitroy4101 No, the funny thing is that you wrote an entire comment making fun of someone for a supposed failing that you literally made up out of your own imagination.

@@omp199 they are pronouncing the word incorrectly? How is that a “failing of my own imagination”

Yes, as Dogen teaches in his Patreon, the accentless pattern follows the natural “declination” or slope of sentence pitch found in every language. The accented pattern can drop as much as a major fifth, so-do. That’s four white keys down on the piano, re-so-so-do. But the accentless pattern is a sight drop, like do-fa-fa-mi. That half-step drop fa-mi is like the black key right below a white key. It reminds me of the police siren in a London chase scene.

Can you imagine saying the same thing about English? A course or dictionary that doesn’t show where to put the accent? For English speakers, the accentless “flat” pattern can be quite disconcerting. Because it means something different: that you are not sure or have more to add to a list and want to keep talking. Speech is not just exchange of information. It also works like our cousins the apes grooming each other’s fur. The pitch and intonation patterns in one language may pet the cat the right way, head to tail. But the same pattern in another language make rub people wrong way, and you wonder why you got bitten! The excuse I hear, is that although there is a standard accent that 85% of the population uses, and that voice talents and public speakers use, there might be someone somewhere who has nonstandard accent. So we shouldn’t teach foreigners the standard accent? Japanese has five vowels. How many are enough for foreigners to use, 3 or 4? English has 14 vowels. How many are enough for foreigners to use, 5 or 8? The accent is just as much a part of any word as its hiragana. Textbooks can easily mark hiragana with a backslash ＼ (as NHK announcers do), to show the accent in every glossary list: 箸は（は＼しは)、橋は（はし＼は)、端は（はしは). Why would you hide these facts from foreigners?

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inviting / 称呼 / 邀请 Çağrı = Calling / 称呼 Uç > ~up-side (peak) / tepe=~top-side (o-bir-uç=burç= the extreme point= bourge) (Uç-mak)= to fly (Uç-a-var)= Uçar=it flies (has a chance to fly / arrives flying) (Uç-ma-bas)= uçmaz= doesn't fly (~gives up flying / doesn't bother to fly) (Uç-der-ma-bas)=(uçturmaz)=uçurmaz= doesn't fly it (doesn't make it fly) (Uç-eş-ma-bas)=uçuşmaz= doesn't (all)together fly (Uç-al-ma-bas)=uçulmaz= doesn't get being to fly Der-mek= (~to provide) to set the layout by bringing together (der-le-mek= to compile) Dar-mak= to bring into a different order by disrupting the old (thara-mak=to comb) Dur-mak= to keep being present/there (~to survive/ ~to remain) (thuror>thor =permanent /he’s thuror=existent>hızır=green man) Dur-der-mak> durdurmak= ~to stop Dür-mek= to roll it up (to make it become a roll) Dör-mek= to rotate on its axis ( Thörmek=old meaning)- to stir /to mix (current meaning) (döngü)törüş/törüv=tour (törüv-çi / törüv-giş=tourist / thörük halk=mixed people among themself (Thöre-mek)>türemek= to get created a new layout/form by coming together in the same medium Töre=the order established over time= custom/tradition > (torah=sacred order) (tarih=history) Üre-mek=to get increased / proliferate Üre-et-mek>üretmek= to produce / generate Thör-et-mek=türetmek= to create a new layout by adding in each other= to derive Thör-en-mek>dörünmek= to rotate oneself /(2. to turn by oneself) >Dörn-mek>Dönmek= to turn oneself (Dön-der-mek)>döndürmek= to turn something (Dön-eş-mek)>dönüşmek= to turn (altogether) to something (Dön-eş-der-mek)>dönüştürmek= to convert/ to transform Eğ-mek=to turn something the other way or to a curved shape> eğmek= to tilt/ to bend Eğ-al-mek=Eğilmek=to get being inclined/ to be bent over Eğ-et-mek=Eğitmek=to educate Eğir-mek=to make it turn to something or turn around itself by bending it =~ to spin Evir-mek=to make it turn upside or turn up in other way at a specified time =~to invert / to make something gets evolved Eğir-al-mek=Eğrilmek= to become a skew / to become twisted Evir-al-mek=Evrilmek= to get a conversion/transformation over time (evrim=evolution evren=universe) Uğra-mak= to get (at) a place or a situation for a specified time> uğramak= drop by/ stop by Uğra-eş-mak=to stop altogether by into each other for a specified time> uğraşmak=to strive/ to deal with Uğra-et-mak= uğratmak = to put in a situation (for a specific time) Öğre-mek=to get (at) a status or a level within a certain time Öğre-en-mek=to get (at) a knowledge or a knowledge level at a certain time> öğrenmek= to learn Öğre-et-mek=to make someone get (at) a knowledge - level (at a certain time)= to teach Türkçe öğretiyorum =I am teaching turkish İngilizce öğreniyorsun = You are learning english Öğreniyorum = I am learning Öğreniyordum = I was learning Öğreniyormuşum=I heard/realized that I was learning Öğrenmekteyim=I have been learning / I am in (the process of) learning Öğrenmekteydim=I had been learning / I was in (the process of) learning Öğrenmekteymişim=I heard/noticed that I had been learning Öğrenirim = I get to learn ( ~ I learn henceforth) Öğrenirdim= ~I used to learn / I would learn (~I‘d get (a chance) to learn ) Öğrenirmişim=I heard/noticed that I would be learning ( I realized I’ve got (a chance) to learn) Öğreneceğim= I will learn Öğrenecektim= I would gonna learn (I would learn) Öğrenecekmişim=I heard/ realized that I would have to learn Öğrendim = I learned Öğrenmiştim= I had learned Öğrenmiş oldum= I have learned Öğrendiydim= I remember I had learned Öğrenmişim =I noticed that I've learned Öğrendiymişim=I heard that I learned -but if what I heard is true Öğrenmişmişim=I heard that I've learned -but what I heard didn't sound very convincing Öğreniyorumdur =I guess/likely I am learning Öğreniyordurum =I think/likely I was trying to learn Öğreniyormuşumdur=As if I was probably learning Öğreneceğimdir= I think that I will probably learn Öğrenecektirim=I guess/likely I would gonna learn Öğrenecekmişimdir=As if I would probably have to learn Öğrenecekmiştirim=Seems that I would probably be learned Öğrenmişimdir = I think that I have probably learned Öğrenmiştirim= I guess/likely I had learned 𐱅𐰇𐰼𐰰