TAIWANESE BOAT BUYER BEWARE!!!!!!! The hull is not the issue for the hull of these boats. Nor necessarily is soft deck under the deck hardware. The weak point of the Taiwanese sailboats is the teak decks, most of which were screwed into the core of the deck material. Due to differential expansion rates of the screws ( heated by the sun) and the teak deck, the screws back out a bit and allow water to infiltrate the core. Result is rotten decks. So teak decks on old boats tend to be a red flag for something to avoid. If lucky, someone will have stripped the teak off, removed the thousands of screws, replaced the rotten cores, and then glassed over the deck. Have a survey done for moisture levels.
Ebay boatangel recently sold a Passport 40 with leaky teak decks for $15.5K, but who want to maintain teak decks? Just cut and replace with fiberglass decking.
The Cheoy Lee at the end had its Teak completely replaced in about 2000. Just saw this boat yesterday. However- there is water damage to the front bulkhead- but might just be surface area / veneer.
Well he's not saying that it can't be done, he's just pointing out what a novice sailor will want to ensure safe crossings. Sam Holmes is no novice sailor. And given the option, I'd bet Sam Holmes would trade that cape dory for an island packet any day.
His Cape Dory isn’t considered a cheap quality boat. He has also done extensive work in preparing his boat properly. I would take Sam’s Cape Dory over an Island Packet of the same size any day.
Hi I have been watching your channel for a long time and you almost never talk about Swedish yachts such as Hallberg Rassy , Najad , Malo with which you can confidently sail on the oceans , and the prices for example Hallberg Rassy 38 is around 100 thousand dollars . I myself am at the stage of looking for a yacht to live on and very interesting to me is Hallberg Rassy 42F , what do you think ?
I like Malos. Gorgeous wood work, if somewhat restrained in their styling. The issue is that there are so few available in the U.S and they(Swedish boats) are often $80-100,000 more than some other options for the same age and length.
I really enjoy these types of videos. I'm planning on semi-retiring in a few years, and my plan is to "see the world" on a sailboat. Most likely single handed (which has it's own set of problems on a crossing, I know), but I'd love to see more videos on blue water boats that can be single handed, comfortable enough to live on, and in the $150k range
@@brownnoise357 You're right about starting off in dinghies. I bought a Snipe at the age of 14 with money saved from a summer job working in corn fields. Raced in that class until I was in my early 20's. With that experience, everything else comes a lot easier when moving to larger vessels. And, you're right, Croatian Igor is probably the best sailor on RU-vid. I look forward to every video he puts out.
I can’t believe you mentioned 70’s-80’s Taiwanese boats without bringing Bob Perry into the equation. I own a 1980 Baba 30 that’s a full encapsulated keel, solid fiberglass hull(no core), keel stepped mast, cutter rigged, and tips the scales at 12,500lbs. Bought her in the water needing a beta repower finished as well as new prop, bottom paint, and some maintenance with no electronics for $12k and have less than $20k into her currently including new sail pack. Another $20k for new sails, radar and chart plotter and she’ll be ready to cross the Atlantic!
Absolutely you can cross oceans or even circumnavigate the world on a small and inexpensive boat. Look at how many S&S 34s have done exactly this, the Sailing Brothers (Luke and Adam) are circumnavigating on their Rival 34., you have people such as Sam Holmes on his 28ft Cape Dory etc. Hell even my 48 yr old Swanson 30 has crossed an ocean (Tasmania to Opua, NZ and return), a journey of 2500 Nm each way, let alone having competed/completed in 6 Sydney to Hobarts plus a lot of other ocean racing. It’s not the size or even the cost that dictates whether it can be done but rather is the boat in sound condition, well setup to make such passages and whether or not the crew are experienced to make such a passage. The point is you don’t need a big expensive yacht to cross an ocean.
Long time viewer from the North Sea coast here: M Jambo, YT channel in deutsch and English, sailed two times Martinique to Germany in his Bavaria 34 cruiser…no problem….singled handed… Cheers from greater Hamburg area
Jambo lost his boat in the south Atlantic and had to be rescued. It just did a Q&A a few days ago. Terrifying! He discussed how he will not be buying another Bavaria-like boat again, but will go for something with more protection for the rudder.
I crossed the Pacific, as crew, not as captain. 42' catamaran. While we were sailing from Vietnam to Canada, two sailboats sank off Mexico. The first was going between Mazatlan and San Diego, three on board. Left no trace. The other was an experienced sailor on a trimaran. The trimaran was found upside down. Most of the time we were farther off a coast than either boat. Us doing 7000 nm? No problem. Biggest factors, and why I waited until the last couple of years to become a sailor: GPS, AIS, Predict Wind and navionics; and Starlink. We got hit by a couple of storms, but we were able to avoid most of them, or we only caught the margins. I wouldn't feel safe being subjected to storms and typhoons that I didn't know about a week in advance. I will never have to. And I'm told that my 2003 Hunter 456 isn't an ocean crossing boat (even though it went from California to New Zealand). Blade rudder (no skeg), feather keel. It's got a lot of redundancies, including a Hydrovane. I'll probably replace all the shrouds before I go too far afield. Definitely replace all the electronics. The full keel, skeg protected rudder? These were considered minimums in the past. The one guy I know who's lost a rudder had these. Critical to his problem was his wind vane, back up rudder, had already failed. (He's now got a Hydrovane). As for longevity. My boat is 20 years old, solid fiberglass, GRP (glass reinforced plastic). In my backyard I have two wooden core strip kayaks, both rotting. Next to them is a factory made solid GRP kayak that's been just as poorly stored. It's as good as it was brand new. So the other factor for buying a boat is I could get one with no teak on the deck, solid inert fiberglass core.
I would take the Morgan (sailed on one of those 44s last night, and have done some cruising on her) or the Cabo over any of the Island Packers. Both would be MUCH faster and more comfortable in a rough sea than the Island Packets. Those Morgan 44s are really great sailing boats. We had light winds of around 8 knots and we were able to keep about 5 knots. They are also available as a CSY 44 as well.
I have no complaints about my Gulf Star 37. Encapsulated keel, keel stepped mast, overbuilt and heavy for her size. She's taken everything I've put her through including a CAT 1 hurricane and come out without even a scratch.
Couldn't agree with you more . One who built 50 footers in the early 70'S. The best is yet to come with some of these ,as you said battle axes of a sailboat . Great clip . Angus SV Violet Walters
Iv got a Vega and I’m seriously thinking Of buying a Super maramu but sometimes just think let’s do it in the Vega but that’s a lone journey limited by water you can carry I think
Big A+. This insight is priceless. Do not want to drive price up but thinking about starting a small company doing just this with this kind of boat. Refit and rebrand. Great Video. Thank You.
You asked for a list of boats I would want to cruise on. I have been building this list for a while. Format: Name Length - my rating (higher=better) Let me know if you agree with my ratings. Rating is based on: World cruiser 3 cabins Reasonable price Comfort at sea Hull speed The List: Amel super maramu 53 - 9 Mason 63 Ketch -7 oyster 48 -8 1988 Ta Chiao CT 56 -10 GULFSTAR 54 SAILCRUISER -10 1984 Maple Leaf 56 -7 2000 Maple Leaf Custom Center Cockpit Cutter46ft -7 BRISTOL 54.4 -7 TRINTELLA 53 - 8 Belliure 50 -8 Farr 60 - 11 Xenia custom 54 - 8 1990 Nordia 57 - 10 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GsbnCpVkJJY.html 1985 Hutson force 50 - 10 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mu5xpMR0LcU.html Discovery 55 - 10 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ug-rctTjNdI.html Deerfoot 62 or 63(1990)- 10 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HLVqf14c6Xo.html Najad 49 - 10 Hylas 46 - 10 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9Ho-QY5tyIY.html Hylas 54 - 10 2003 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-X_I7CJ2YWwE.html Tayana 52 - 9 Tayana 65 - 11 Amel 54 - 10 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZGu4eajorU0.html Windship 63 - 9 DYNAMIQUE 58- 10 Ocean 75 - 11 www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1978-southern-ocean-ocean-75-536486/. Very comfortable and fast Nautor Swan 59 - 10 Passport 545 - 8 Formosa 68 -12 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FSru36jNVfE.html
If someone can cross an ocean on a Kayak I'm sure a person could cross it in a cheap sailboat. ....BUT..imagine that it's 3am, you haven't slept for days, you haven't eaten, it's bitterly cold and raining hard, the wind is blowing a gale and you're out in the open continually getting dumped upon by massive waves...would you really want to do that..? Not on my top 10 list of fun things to do.
just bought a 1977 Downeaster 38 for $1k - - on the hard for refit on the Chesapeake- - launching in 12-18 months for circumnavigation , insurance ? lol looked at hundreds of boats 1st - Westsails , Taiwan dbl enders etc ect ( all hot meses ) before I found my "sleeper" - -- Pray for me ! yes I will have 50k+ in her likely by launch ! There is a guy cruising the South Pacific in a Downeaster 38 ( stripped to hull refit ! ) currently ! LEAKS ? yep but it's the ports ! mostly , so killing all the mold is problem #1 for now , then replace all ports / big unsafe windows and pull al crews fitting topside for resink , chainplates , rigging , sails , motor , yep she is a project but people are all over RU-vid doing it to Downeasters ( just one example : Sailing Mundial ) and others too !
We just bought a 1980 Whitby 42' cutter rigged ketch. It ticks all the boxes and the plan is to sail around the southern Caribbean this winter, and see what the boat is ready for and what we are ready for.
La Vaga was a beneteau Cyclades 43 and that made it across both seas. Uma is a beater Pearson 36. I have a friend that did it in a sense 46 which sounds terrifying
Having sailed from Vancouver to LA on a loaded IslandPacket 465 I'd want that boat for crossing any ocean but it's heavy and slow for easy sailing and marina handling
Why cant you? people was crossing oceans since very very long time, on not very advanced boats. Now we have huge advantage of GPS/online weather reports and such - only thing is to take enough food and supplies with you.....
IMO looking at prices on Yachtworld is not really giving an accurate picture of the costs involved owning a boat. Specially one that will be crossing oceans in a save way. With proper insurance and proper equipment. Most boats listed will need new standing rigging, steering and rudders serviced, electrical and mechanical components replaced and so on. It's easy to sink a hundred thousand or more in your 30k bargain boat! (And don't think you can sail around the world with that 30 year old Amel for 200k without a $$$ refit) Even when you do a lot of work yourself. There is a reason people spend the money on a new boat. In short, much to the contrary of what some people want you to belief on social media, owning a boat is expensive and time consuming.
Early in the video you show a map with a sailboat route which goes a few thousand miles into the tradewinds. I kinda doubt that isn't gonna be the route. Wouldn't it start by heading North towards Bermuda then hang a right and ride the gulf stream across.
True, blue water sailboats should only ever be owned by those using them to cross oceans (which most don't and never will.) The things which make them so desirable for crossing oceans, often makes them miserable in the marina (such as cramped, restricted spaces, despicable maneuverability while going in reverse or real sea berths as opposed to a comfortable and usable marina bed.
Even I as a basically beginner knows that you can cross the oceans in basically anything built from the 60s and onwards. It has more to do with the level of comfort you are willing to give up. For example two youtubers, tranquility (family of 3 on a 33ft Scanmar33, last i saw they were headed towards the indian ocean) and m jambo (solo sailed across the atlantic in a bavaria 35) not to mention the amount who crosses in vegas or similar.
Hi there, you used our image in your thumbnail as well as in your video at 11:09. Considering we could expand upon the topic of Cheoy Lee's and provide you with more insight, we really would have appreciated the opportunity to converse with you rather than finding you used our photo without asking or giving proper credit. This photo has been published and is licensed by not only ourselves but also Sailing Magazine and Latitudes and Attitudes. I hope to chat with you in the future. Cheers!
Hey I’m so sorry. I can definitely replace the picture with something else if you’d like me to. I found it on social media without any copyright claims and on RU-vid, those kinds of pictures fall under fair use. It’s a beautiful boat regardless and definitely a fine example. I’d never want to offend by using it inappropriately. I’m so sorry.
@@LadyKSailing Thanks for getting back to us! We aren't offended, we're just a bit shocked to see our photo used without our knowledge. We are happy to let you use it, but would appreciate credit. Beyond RU-vid, I (Marissa) am actually more known as a writer, and I see that you work with Practical Sailor so I am sure you understand more than most that created content (whether it be photos, videos or words) are so important to credit accordingly. Where did you find this photo on social media? Was it our website or RU-vid channel (it is our background banner) As a side note I am thrilled that you replied so quickly with a channel as large as yours! Hats off to you for engaging with your community.
I need a Blue-water cruiser for the Hawaiian Islands and to cross the Pacific. I been looking for Island Packets for a while. I need something that is little maintenance (aka no Teak decks) and a "turn key" ready to go. I also understand is not going to be cheap. Thank you. Great content!!
Excellent video! Excellent that you mentioned at 11:20 the potential for problems with cored decks. Buyers, before looking at a boat's deck, get yourself a top-notch moisture meter. Then get a professional to survey the deck and coach roof. Captain Ron
Do you have any opinion on a second hand 1986 Bruce Roberts Mauritius 45- for 25,242 USD? will need another 10,500 USD to get it ocean ready + most likely another 10k for equipment. Is this a fair purchase to consider? OR is a 1988 Lavranos Vickers 41 for 49647,95 USD ocean sail ready a better option?
What about a 18ft Hurley probably less than cost $5000 Search this video SOLO Atlantic Crossing on an TINY 18ft(5m) sailboat - Part 1/4 - Gibraltar to Lanzarote
Question, I think I have a very common scenario/trade off for you, sort'a ignored here. Do we really need to buy one of these tank boats when all the owner really wants to do is spend a few years in the Caribbean and than move it to the Med/Europe? Maybe back again after some more years. Even if you want to throw money at it, say 200k USD Island Packet 38'+ 30 years old, the same buys you a 42'+ almost new production boat that probably serves you better 95% of the time. This is sort'a my personal thinking with a wife and two small kids aboard (not for eventual crossing of Atlantic). These new modern boats are just so much more comfortable for a family that will spend relatively little time sailing, especially not in open oceans, days from land. Its hard to say no to three large cabins, huge cockpit, and all the comforts of a modern boat because you plan to do one or two Atlantic crossings over 5-10 years.
Affordable to most people at $50k 😅😅 are you having a laugh. What privileged world did you grow up in. The Atlantic can be crossed in much cheaper vessels, my first boat was a Hurley Silhouette mk2 17ft and I know that someone crossed the Atlantic in the same model.
Please give me list of the top ten boats that I could travel across the ocean and have enough room for living on in the carribean. And go too Mediterranean. Also less than $100,000. I need 3 rooms at least. Want too have center steer and everything too sail by myself if need be. First time sailing. Also I am 6 ft 3inches tall. I am not opposed to getting a cutter boat like you said and add all new stuff. Really need help.i am a new subscriber.
we all saw UMA do everything and go everywhere even though the old production boat was dimpeling and compromised. shouldn't u say production boats can all do what UMA did? Maybe not frighten new sailors, the little guys, the Sam Home's on a budget.
All I'm saying folks is I'm not paging any where close to 100k for an ancient ass 40yr old boat. I'll take my chances on a gorgeous production boat that's 10yrs old for that price range 😒
Enjoyed that! Any thoughts on twin keels? It is something that has been discussed a fair bit over the last few decades but has never been fully dismissed. The Europeans have advanced it a fair bit. Anyhow greetings from Ireland. What are peoples thoughts about this subject on the other side of the big pond?
This is mostly nonsense. Go to Google maps, put in Horta, Azores and it will take you to the major crossroad for east-bound Atlantic crossings. Zoom in on the harbor, select sat view and you'll see there are as many small boats as bigger ones moored there, which was true when we arrived there as well. Budgets of all sizes cross oceans, which has been true since the 1950's.
Thank you very much for this video! It really hit home for my thoughts. If I am one day able to retire (I stress if), I'd absolutely love to do Caribbean style cruising. But I would like to, once at least, cross the Atlantic and back again. At least once. Thank you again for these options and food for thought!
Love your channel but you are at a point where you're repeating yourself with the stuff you show. How about Fisher Yachts and other kind of motor sailers. Plus you never ever mention any Dutch yachts that are basically the pinnacle of yachts.
Is there a video on the stuff that should go into a boat...ya know like pans and tools cuz it's just to easy to put to much in. Looking at a hunter 466.
Having done many Atlantic crossings I think the route you showed is misleading. Better to go north with remaining trades then turn east as you hit norther climes weather to the Azores. Opposite for coming east to west
Gorgeous boat. For what I know a lot of S&S designs were leaning more towards speed. But that is their general trait. Not sure about Condor. Technically any boat with enough food and water is "blue boat". People have crossed oceans on really ridiculous contraptions. But there is always quid pro quo when it comes to boats. You just made me research Condor a bit more. Thank you.
OK here goes (Comfort ratio in parenthesis)... three budget level -- Nor'sea 27 (32.41), Southern Cross 28 (32.66), Cape Dory 36 (35.74) --- Middle of the road -- Pearson Countess 44 (40.68), Baba 40 (41.50), Westsail 42 (44.16) -- My lottery boat : Little Harbor 60 (51.93). The best blue water deal that i have seen recently is a Hughs 48 (46.04) currently on Yacht World with an asking price of $42k U.S. dollars. Other than my lottery boat ($750,000 - $1,000,000), the price range for all listed run between $25,000 and $100,000. That being said, what is the solution for the insurance dilemma on these older boats -- might be a good topic for another episode. On a side note, as a Canadian I'm surprised that you never did an episode (unless I missed it) on any for the Gozzard boats -- they appear to have some really nice fit and finish.
How about a small light 1988 Beneteau Oceanis 320, tiller steered, 4500kg, minimal stock tankage, 100w solar, 29hp engine, no wind instruments, no radar, no ais, no water maker…not the sort of boat I could see you advise, but the previous owners did the Atlantic circuit twice without killing each other!
Another great episode. Also, really enjoying Historsea. When are you going back south? Maybe take the Mississippi and come see me in New Orleans. I’ll feed you till you burst!
In the out door storage yard Of Tartan Boats in Painesville, Ohio... Is a Douglas and McCleod 26 or 28 footer from the early 1960's (later became Tartan). These were some of the earliest fiberglass production boats ever made. This boat has sat uncovered in the open for decades, Some exposed glass areas have suffered greatly from UV, to the point of crumbling. The interior was all plywood and other wood so that doesn't really count. Gell coat has spiders and massive powdering. But the hull is undamaged and very solid. 1964 to now is 60 years.... so yeah they can last a hundred if the UV doesn't get to them.
I know a lot of sailing channels walking around the world in Cape Dory 28's, Pearson 35's, a solo female on a grinde 27. Are these boats unreasonable or unsafe? You seem to be stuck on 40 some footers. Are you just conservative ? Have you crossed an ocean ? Not a hater, conservative is good :)
There are some great U.S. built vessels that are similar to the "battleships" but are not plagued with some of their problems (bad tanks, leaky ports and decks, funny electrics..). Downeaster Yachts, CSY, Westsail, Gulfstar, Valiants, and Pearson 424 come to mind. Great examples can be had for $40k-$50k, Valiants will be much higher if they are newer. Faster sailing battleships would include the Cal 40.
I'd like a Super Maramu but sloop rigged.. or a Swan 48 the S&S design, or.. but with my money I've got a baking soda fueled submarine.. the kind that came in a cereal box.
Feed back/suggestion - Most channels edit the lifestyle to look as easy as RV'ing, when we both know that can be far from the truth. Whilst most of your vlogs understandably reference "available at that time" online listings, considering inexperienced families, with young children, looking at this particular topic months later, I feel it would be prudent to at least advise the "minimum" specs they should consider, for safe blue water crossing.
You have some of best ideas about sailboats I have ever seen. You must be what my family calls "half bright." That is a tongue in cheek expression for able to think well under many circumstances. I don't use the word genius because it is not defined. Thank you again for your insights. As far as the Taiwanese boats, simple solution a first call inspection by a qualified inspector will pick up and major deficiencies that require big bucks to repair.
I have been following UMA which is a Pearson 36. It has sailed across the Atlantic, the North Sea, and even to Russia. But the hull has taken a beating. Most of the bulkheads have come adrift from the hull, making the boat practically worthless. So they couldn't sell it to get a better boat. What they are doing now is reglassing the bulkheads to the hull and then planning on rebuilding the interior. When it's done, they will likely have a much better boat than they started out with, and probably a better one than they could ever hope to purchase on their budget. Size and purposeful design are important. But I think history has shown that, after a few vital criteria are met, such as being decked over and having a high range of stability, the actual condition of the boat and, more important, the experience of the crew in handling it, are more important.
Choice one: money, no object? a Kraken. Hands down the best new build production yachts for proper sailors. Budget? Probably the nicest Choi Lee I could find that didn’t break the bank.
Me and my husband are looking for a Beneteau Oceanis 45 2013. do you think its possible to cross the atlantic with this kind of boat ? we are looking for mon anchoring than traveling so we like the layout
Hi, love your channel. What do you think about 80s and early 90s Grand Soleil? mainly the 42 Ferr. Would love to hear your thoughts regarding this brand and model for a couple that looks to start in the med and, after a year or 2, cross the Atlantic ocean with it.
How about something faster. Racer cruiser but more racer. Something like a Santa Cruz 50 or 52. These boats raced across Ed oceans but have gotten old and are uncompetitive but still fine boats. Something to consider.
I am not recommending this boat but there is a book called 500 days at sea , the bloke who wrote it got a heap of alie plate and built a 12 ft custom sail boat, he reasoned that to go around the world he couldn’t afford to maintain a boat that was much bigger, it is a great read although definitely the bottom limit of what boat do you need to sail around the world . He started in Brisbane Australia and sailed single handed from place to place picking up work and writing the odd article for magazines. Cheers
There is an excellent book I used to own on how to convert a production boat into an ocean crosser. If you take the necessary fairly cheap steps and pick a good starter, you can make it much more seaworthy. There are now 38 foot Tayanas and other full keel boats that are eminently seaworthy that can be purchased for less than $50k now.
