A viewer suggested I try using a grease gun to free up the seized engine in the old IH 3850 loader. Will it actually work? Part 1 here: • International 3850 End...
The engine has had a mix of ATF and diesel in the cylinders for 4 weeks at the time I filmed this. I have no idea why I keep getting comments that I need to put some kind of special sauce in the cylinders. We did. I should have made the end of the video the beginning, because no one watched the explanation at the end.
I understand this engine is probably roached but for future reference putting a breaker bar on the crankshaft with a heavy weight on the end can help the oil penetrate the cylinder walls. My father did that to a chrysler 360 v8 it took weeks but it freed up and went back to work.
We had a old 4cyl ford in a old skidsteer that was seized. We took the head off and gently hammered down on the top of the piston with a block of wood and lots of penetrating oil.
When you said “we are not wealthy people” I felt that in my soul. You are not alone my friend. I love hard working good people that make things work with their own two hands. Those are the people that built America. Love your videos
@@Rangerdnger Not only America but the hole world. Nowdays it`s mostly bad breath and bullshitting but it`s still the two hands that build everything...
Love how you assess these machines. You keep emotion out of it. You go right to the "make or break" areas and get the relevant info. Then you research (or already have knowledge of) parts and put it all together to make a good decision. No screwin around moving it to your shop first or "takin a gamble" on a machine for a seemingly cheap price. Just good, solid troubleshooting and assessment. Thumbs way up.
Homie Gibiotch For me, it depends on whether I enjoy the process. Sometimes, it is nice to be able to do a project just for the sheer pleasure of the process, rather than being driven by cost effectiveness.
@@WatchWesWork that engine will run agane but it will need a total overhal and you will have to make new parts. you can sell it sombody mite by that engine it iwlll be a 1 to 2 year progect.
@@douglascharles6869 Nah 1 or 2 year project is not gonna be, depends on the damage, as far as i have seen inculsive all the parts i personally think this would be possible within 6 months
@@douglascharles6869 if something is really important to you and you really want it running, especially if this was from a family member you love so much,, you do everything to get it done!
@@WatchWesWork at least the engine is now rustproof from the inside ;-) Do you own a torch? Grill/fire under the engine to heat it up to losenn it ? Did you try hot oil from a camping stove?
It's been a long time since you published this video. I normally don't watch these "will it run after 20 years in the mud" videos. But because of you I watched it and what I love most and what honours you and shows your heart are sentences like "I asked my father..."! Man, lots of young people should do this more often!
Good call on replacing the engine, if you can, take the end caps off the ends of the rods. You'll be able to rotate the crank to get at the converter bolts. I hope you find a good engine, a Diesel would be great.
I was thinking it could even be finished off with even higher pressure from something like the ZerkZapper, until the head gasket blew. Interesting experiment!
You can also use the hydraulic grease method to remove a bearing from a blind hole by filling the center hole with grease and then a couple of taps on a punch with a similar od to the center hole id and the bearing will come right out.
You made the right decision, sometimes no matter how much work your willing to put into getting something going, sometimes it's just not worth it and it takes a clever man to realise this.
If you're going to keep doing 'will it start' adventures like these, it's definitely time to get a bore-scope (if you don't already have one)! They're cheap, and would tell you so much.
I have milked old junk for 30 years in my business. I made more money by renting a modern machine. Have it delivered on time. If it broke during use it was not my problem. I made 30% on the rental then bill $75 a hour for myself. You will have far more success. Look more professional and have time to do better things with your life. The less equipment I own the better. I only buy equipment that gets used all the time. The maintenance transport and storage are unforeseen leaks in your bank account. If you like restoring old Iron then god bless you. It's a hobby. Nothing you should ever expect to make money with. This is my experience. I totally appreciate the effort you put into this. We all teach each other. I learned something from this. Thank you.
Before I looked for another engine I would drain fluids out off the trans, front and rear diffs to make sure they didnt have water in them. If they did then it wouldnt be worth buying another engine.
@@douganderson7002 Agreed. It'd be a decent project so long as you don't expect any ROI. Once you get it running, you're going to have to start fixing all the rotten hydraulic hoses and seals, which after this long in the woods, is all of them. Probably electrical gremlins as well.
The loader is supposed to be one of not very many factory gas engine machines, If this is the case there may only be a few left now when more got scrapped. Guys are starting to collect construction equipment and show it without a full restoration . This loader may have a value to the right guy collecting IH equipment even if they don't fix it on this channel. As it was their grandfathers machine and owes them nothing of actual monetary value. There has got to be a motor around cheap maybe a tuber might have one to donate like happens on other channels. depending on the seal type they can be cheap I was paying $50 average a set from ebay USA for my 78 JCB TLB in Canada. If hyd hose are regular common ends and hose size they are fairly cheap to, something like JCB 5/8 hose and 5/8 BSPP that aren't common here will kill you quick though when 2 fittings might cost $100 before adding 10ft of hose.. There are other options if a guy wants to do it, and save a part of industrial and family history.
Making an engine run that can't run with minimal cost and max labor is very interesting to watch someone else do. Just a friend Ron who would like to see it torn down by a master can do mechanic! Don't get hurt or leave important work undone.
Wes, Fuggetaboutit, there are a ton of basket-cases to be found and as far as a grease gun rescue, it is kind of dubious but you fell for it, hook line and sinker.An engineer came to my friends junkyard with a shipping container, he told us if it doesn't turn over, it's staying, took him three weeks to load it full. You need a manicure now!
Your channel is entertaining and informative. Your dry humour makes me laugh on many occassions. As for RU-vid and how they work, it's very much at their control as to when we get to see them. Keep up the great work, and thanks for taking the time and effort to make them.
I got here from a video of a old Russian ISU-152 tank that fired up after sitting in a field for more than 60 years! It was pretty amazing seeing that it could move after so long.
Any IH 6 cylinder gas engine made from 1959 on will bolt right in place of that one after transferring a few parts off the loader engine. Tons of IH tractors and combines with that engine, many pulled to do diesel conversions. In fact red paint to me says that one came from a tractor or combine. Cummins swap would be sweet, but $$$.
When you started working on those springs, I thought for a second that I was watching Pakistani Trucks, as they are always pulling leaf springs off trucks. But, they don't have rust. What they also don't have are air tools, ratchet spanners, trolley jacks, safety stands, concrete floors, eye protection or safety boots. What they do have is 6 helpers to move heavy things and pass bolts and other stuff.
0:56 shoestring budget. Great word though, you and your brother show us what real people are capable to make business out of a pile of old machinery. Even if it's broken. Keep it up!! Btw, here's a new subscriber from Germany.
dont ever use the statement we are the wealth people. You have been gifted to fortitude, knowledge, and kindness to share these gifts on RU-vid. I'm gratefull for your videos. I suggest RU-vid present you with the Meritorious Service Metal. Love to your entire family including "Pup". Mike in Lincoln, Nebraska
Sometimes, you have to cut your losses and do something different. In this case that motor will make a great boat anchor or manhole cover for some city. There might be something to salvage but it's a total loss.
An old guy once who restores old tractors once told me if you heat up a pot of run oil on a stove , pull the head and pour the oil into the cylinders. The expansion from the heat should free it up when you try to turn it
Hey man I just subbed you.. watched all your other videos on this loader awhile back.. it’s nice to see you give the old machine the time of day as it looks like it’s Been lonely out in the woods for way too long. I don’t think you gave up easily at all, we aren’t there with you seeing what your seeing and it’s easy for People to watch this video and comment on what “ you should or shoulda done” your a darn good mechanic I can tell that much. Keep up the good work.
With all the tractor salvage yards in your area a stop at the Case IH dealer to find out what block will replace the one in the loader and your brother will have a machine to grow his business
I’ve used the grease gun method years ago. It worked on my Straight Six in a 1963 Ford Truck. You are wise to walk away from this motor the cost of the known items far exceed the replacement cost of a decent used engine. I hope a subscriber has one for you. I keep watching and someday I will have exactly what you need and we can do some trading. I am in Texas but family farm is in Iowa so you could pick up any trade items be t time your passing though South Central Iowa. Happy Trails. Glad I found your Chanel
That's an old Hough payloader made by International Harvester probably in the 1960s. The engine is a fairly easy one to find. That engine was available from the 1950s to the 1980s in various displacements from 220 to 301ci. Many IH trucks, tractors, combines and construction equipment used these engines.
We had a Ford V-8 engine in a combine, that siezed. The last time it was tried to start, either was used, but it didn't start. Either removed all the lube off the cylinders, and rusted solid over the winter. Come spring, we had to pull one head. Poured diesel down all the cylinders. Every day for a couple of weeks, we would pound on the cylinders with a block of wood and a sledge hammer. It eventually broke free, and ran perfectly afterwards. Didn't even burn oil after all that abuse.
Once again Wes love the video,hopefully something comes of it would love to watch more progress on loader,or another find .. Keep posting awesome videos,I'll keep watching. 👍👍👍
When I was a kid ,in the 60's-70's, we'd find equipment out in the countryside quite often. Always wondered what people were thinking by leaving equipment out in the country like that. But they were fun to play on! Lots of strip mines and of coarse farming around here.
Hi Wes.iv been watching you for a while and you are a good and clever mechanic...I have had some success in freeing up seized engines..one is still running 15 yrs after freeing it up...the previous owner tried towing it and no luck...I pulled the plugs and flooded the cylinders with KROIL..the stuff really works..after letting it sit a day or two I put a large breaker bar on it and a little at a time got it to turn over.
There is still the issue of replacing hydraulic hoses as well as brakes not to mention a lot of other things that always crop up when trying to put an old machine like that back in service.
Great idea. Thinking outside the box. To get pilot bushing out of manual transmissions most people use grease and it works well. Years ago I had a pilot bushing that was giving me a tough time and would not come out. So I thought outside the box. I found a tap that would fit and tapped the pilot bushing and then ran a long bolt into it and wa la bushing be gone. Good video. TFS
HA! I'm with you both 120% on this!!! I get asked how come I'm not watching football on a Sun afternoon and I just say I'd rather put new doors on my workshop than to watch a bunch of overpaid crybabies kneel at the national anthem...
@@HiddenValleyHomestead Yup agreed. I'd can't stand to see grown men get so involved on every level that they do for any sports teams. To me a little thought of disgust flashes through my brain when, I think these guys could at be at home doing things that men (or women) should be doing...an example of that would be making...or fixing things, just like Wes in this video. Nope they choose to put on face paint (make up?) and go sit in extreme weather conditions, get drunk and wear foam cheese on their heads? One day we'll look back and wonder where all the "doers" have gone.
Back in my gunsmithing days, people would bring in their muzzle loaders that had been left loaded for a few seasons. Some would have ball pullers broken off in the muzzle. I would adapt grease fittings to the flash hole or nipples and used an old hydraulic cylinder from a forklift and pack it with grease. Using a motorized hydraulic press made easy work of clearing the breach and barrel.
Thanks for the effort, I would have loved too see this engine work again, but you are right, it is not worth it. Good luck finding a replacement engine.
An idea from an old mechanic...(not me) seized engine recipe - Completely fill the engine with butelsolisol. That takes about 5 gallons, Be sure the cylinders are full or nearly so. Let set overnight. Should be able to spin the engine with the starter in the morning.
10 points for trying! I don’t think it’s stuck I think it’s rooted. I think you are correct to look for a less rooted engine. (In Australia Rooted is the same as Fucked) Even if you find one with a few problems not completely rusted over. I have noticed people love these recovery / saviour videos and will make a huge kick for your channel. Keep going, I’ll subscribe 😀
I’ve Never tried that before with Grease.. hmmmmmmmm I’ve Un’froze many engines and what I do/did was to remove all spark plugs or injectors on a diesel then use a Hot Plate to heat new engine oil up to the point it’s starting to boil!! Then pour it down each cylinder while it’s extremely hot. Let sit for 15mins then start to bar the engine over.. it will move very little and that’s all you need!!! Back and forth back and forth.
Wes, could you do another video of trying to get this engine to turn over, but this time instead of trying to use hydraulic pressure to do it, maybe try removing two or three of the spark plugs and packing black powder in the cylinders then put the plugs back in and hook up an MSD coil to them and send a little spark into those cylinders, that would make for an interesting video. Love your videos, keep up the good work. TP
All the good mechanics goes to haven directly. U hooked me with your way you do the job, how you explain or guess that are always supported with fact or a plan. Thumb up mate!
One thing to consider is, the rocker arm train could be up to half the rotational resistance being so rusted up. You might still have luck if you remove the rocker arm or head completely. If you remove the head you could used a wooden rod and hammer the top of a piston while turning the crank with a wrench. If that doesn’t do it than it really is too far gone. If it frees up at that point than just have the head machined and run it. As long as you have enough compression it will go.
@@garretr4488 White vinegar is cheaper. Ascetic acid I think. perhaps a touch of acetone, and a bit of auto trans fluid apparently. Agree. Fill it up !
The grease method does work !! On a 6 cylinder engine 3 cylinders are on the post (after passing) TDC and 3 cylinders are pre (Before) TDC. Remove all spark plugs or injectors. Make sure all valves are closed. Fill EVERY cylinder with heavy weight oil. Now with your grease gun apply grease to the 3 post TDC cylinders. You will need 3 grease fittings. If it moves - keep going UNTIL you have A cylinder you are greasing at BDC. Now remove all fittings And install in the other 3 open cylinders. You will have to change at some point the 2 groups of three cylinders to get the engine to rotate 1 revolution..
enjoyed the video, and at least you tried to save the engine, could you do a engine swap and put a diesel in it from a old tractor? it would be cheaper than a petrol ( gas ) powered machine to run right?
I have successfully freed engines like that. Working in situe makes it more difficult, but in principle get the lowest temperature grease you can, something like what they use in the Arctic. Pressure the stuck cylinders, not with any intention of budging the engine, but to allow the grease to work past the rings and break the bond. Heating the engine block will also help, I've used a second water cooled engine as a heat source and plumbed the block your freeing up in place of the radiator. It's risky because you can overheat your good engine if your not careful. If your willing to risk the pistons then you can also use a plumbers freezing spray under the pistons. Expanding the bores with heat, shrinking the pistons by freezing them with 3000 psi of grease which will be liquid at that temperature should free the engine.
I have a few ideas that you may want to try. while i am not a engine mechanic, I usually can get them started when im working with my grandparent who was. I have also done some chemistry and a lot of physics so I have some knowledge on what I am talking about. Sorry that my post is long but you may be able to make use of what im suggesting if in some sort of way if any of my ideas are remotely good. I have five ideas written down. also if anyone has a comment on my ideas, please do tell or correct me. My first idea is to find something that can dissolve the sludge on all the parts of the engine in the inside, or at least slightly clean it, then clean out the oil pan. Once done the major part of my idea is to fill the whole engine top to bottom with WD40, coca cola (or something else that dissolves rust) as it can sometimes break down rust and gunk. My Second idea is to get more grease guns and hook them all up to the pistons on the down stroke and pressurize them equally adding a bit more to each one by one, this would give more equal torque to the crank shaft and to the pistons all together. you said the front was moving a bit so if you had more pressure on all of them equally then you may be able to make it move again. My third idea is that if you have some welding tools you may be able to make a set of bars connected together that can be lined up with the pistons that are on the down stroke. Then have the the bars line up to a single point that can be struck with a mallet or hammer and try to force the pistons that were on the down stroke down manually, it may work but would need the piston heads exposed. My fourth idea is somewhat dangerous, its putting the engine back together again and putting some fuel into the pistons that were on the down stroke and manually firing the spark plugs all at once for the pistons on down stoke. My fifth idea and the one you would least likely want to do is dissemble the engine manually and clean the parts, then put it back together. My cousin has a three wheeler that had become seized and he disassembled it and put it back together to fix it. Understandably this is probably one you cant do but it may be the only other way I can think of fixing it besides getting a new engine. I may ask my grandparent if he has an idea as used to maintain and repair tanks in the wars, he worked on the engines that had square cylinders so maybe he might have a trick or to. Thank you for reading my long comment Builder
Firing the plugs with regular fuel wouldn't work, pre loading the cylinder with oxy aceteline would work. With a bit of luck the explosion might get some decent pressure in the cylinder with the blown gasket before the gasket can leak to much.
From my experience with some seized engines is that their could still be water in the cylinder that’s stopping anything that’s poured into it. I’ve had success by filling up the crankcase with diesel so that it can work it’s way up to the top ring from the bottom of the cylinder.
As Eric O would say, "There's your problem, lady!" It's almost certain that at least one of the cylinders is full of water. Remove all the plugs and see if it will turn.
So is another IH straight 6. Probably could get a good one cheap too. They used those engines in trucks, combines, and tractors. Pull the junk one out, bolt in a runner, and you’re off to the races.
Pierce made a nice 24 valve T head 6 . 14 liters of torque . I was fingerfucking one Saturday before last , and I CANNOT wait to bust that big old brass carb apart . No , wont fit , lol .
In my work i use a electrobath to derust car parts, So when I had a 1958 Mercedes engine here with six rusted in pistons, I stuck it in the bath and forgot about it for two weeks. The pistons came loose and only took a bit of pressure to shove them out. Cold war motors,on their channel got a pair of old straight eight engines unseized by removing the heads, bolting on a flat plate to the worst cylinder and then pumping the cylinder with a portopower. Worked a treat. So a mate tried it with a set of 1909 Cadillac pistons and it worked for him too. Heres a vid showing how the electrobath worked on my other channel .ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rBtn19BPqDM.html
All States AG parts has 3 engine blocks available in Black Creek, WI and one block available in Ft. Atkinson IA, I just got off the phone with them they are still available, Obviously without a complete tear down and evaluation this is just the beginning but a starting point never the less, Keep up the good work, I've always enjoyed your channel.
He does indeed say that he got the idea elsewhere. And who knows, maybe he did get it from Cold War Motors? They took the whole head off though, and machined a special plate to go over the cylinder.
Huh..... not wealthy people....mate, it's a Saturday afternoon, you're in the bush recovering an old bit of machinery and you're with your brother.....sounds like you are the wealthiest man alive to me, good luck with your business friend
