Can You Haul A Tractor in a Dump Trailer? (BTS) 

I'm glad you liked the video. Yes, some expanded metal would make it easier to drive equipment with smaller wheels on the trailer. I really like this trailer. It has been a good trailer. I get compliments about how nice it is when I deliver wood. I looked at several brands of trailers before deciding to get this. I live in Brimar country, about an hour from the Brimar factory. The prices on the Brimars are really good here, but they are not the trailer a Suretrac is. Some day I may get a single axle dump for delivering a smaller quantity of wood. Feel free to share this video!

@@TractorTech - There are a lot of manufacturers to choose from, and good ones too. We are thankful that you chose Sure-Trac. Will continue to tune in to see what you do next. Thank you.

@@SureTracTrailersPage Thanks for the support.

@@TractorTech looks identicle to the new kubota k-haul dump trailers

@@SureTracTrailersPage kubota has the k-haul trailers dump trailers,utility trailers plus there less money

I thought of you when I was making this video. Have a great week.

Thanks, they trailer is really well built. I looked at several brands and this was at the top. Sure tracs are usually expensive, but I found a dealer with great prices.

That is a nice trailer. I bet the truck pulls nice with the 6.4 and 4.10's.

Tractor tech, I was wondering if you heat with would as your primary heat source? And yes my truck tows like a dream and my wallet likes the money I saved by not spending the extra 10K on the diesel. Lol

You are welcome!

The load trailer trailers are nice. I also like the B2601. It sounds like tractor fits in your trailer nicely.

Thanks!

Thanks!

Awesome! Thank you!

Hi Logger Al, I think the loader would pinch the doors on the trailer. They would have to be removed. I thought about raising the trailer, to load the BX but I am not sure if that is a good idea, and I am not sure if it is a bad idea. With a little tractor like that it probably would not hurt anything. I decided to play it safe for the video and leave it down. Thanks for watching and commenting! Have a good week and stay safe!

DOT rules state the attachments of the tractor must be individually chained to the trailer; outside the dump bed would not meet that requirement. If you live in an area where the police are up to date on the DOT rules and vigorously enforce them, they will get you for that violation. Some states are very strict, other states are not.

Thanks Joe! I doubt it would go in a 10' trailer. If you take the front bumper off of it, it may come close.

@@TractorTech where is your shop at Roger? Joe

What size tractor do you haul in it?

@@TractorTech i looked at a 16 foot kubota k-haul trailers wich there prices are pretty cheap

You're welcome

I'm surprised that you are able to fit all of that in your trailer. It is nice having one "tool" that does it all.

@@TractorTechNice video Roger. Also have a 16' Load Trail dump trailer, it's a nice size trailer. I can fit my tractor with a front loader and logging winch with a foot to spare. I also am able to deliver 5 face cords with 2 foot sides without a problem.

@@seather863 That is nice you can fit your tractor with FEL and winch in your trailer. 5 facecord is a lot of wood. I haul 1.3 cords on this trailer. I stack my loads. I could add a 1' board to the sides and I would be just shy of 2 cords, but I doubt anyone would buy that much at once here.

Exactly my thoughts

A wireless remote would help. You have to watch, if it is raised too much the ramps could slide out.

I think you will be fine with the loader on the gooseneck. Don't quote me on it but, I think you are allowed to have 4' overhanging.

Your welcome! Thanks for watching! I'm not sure what kind of work you have to do, but you can rent a large machine for a week or month and get your project knocked out. The if you need a machine to maintain it, you may be able to get by with something smaller. For example use a large mini to get your work done, then get a compact tractor to maintain it.

BUY.

Lease. 100% write off and when it breaks it’s not your problem.

I don't have much extra room on my 20' trailer with a scraper blade on the tractor.

The loader could be supported wit some costume made bars that could be bolted (probably quicker than chaining) with a battery powerd impacted driver once set up for it. This setup would serv well in place of chaining the loader which is required by law anyway.

@@michaelschettl9509 Not really faster than permanently mounted chain/binder of the correct dimensions

I was hoping no one would notice it lol. A tractor and trailer ran in to the back of the truck. The left bed side is messed up also. I bought it that way almost 2 years ago. I have another bed for it. I need to do somethings to it first and then put the bed on it so I can get it painted. I've had people laugh at it, but I don't care. I got a good deal on it.

Here is a video on it. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SugOTzBVOGM.html

I agree, garages are never big enough too.

Thanks, for the suggesiton. I was in at lowes, and they had the locking hitch pins on clearance. I want to think they were reduced down to $2 or $3. I got everyone they had even though my trailers at the time all had locking pins.. I still may have 2 or 3.

@@TractorTech this is a link to one similar to ones I use but this one isn't stain less. www.autoanything.com/towing/77A5234A6361268.aspx?kc=GOOGADW&DZID=PLA_g_1776971199_66506509582_5234-6361268_c&gclid=CjwKCAjwsan5BRAOEiwALzomX2iO9zi-bS1-Byi8jSuvzm4q5UNmqyAm3dmgjKXXOGaY-yGNDLVm7xoCjCkQAvD_BwE

@@teekay1785 Thanks!

You could do that. I was also thinking, you could take the bucket off and put in the front of the trailer backwards, then drop the loader on it.

@@TractorTech Put the bucket in the bed of the truck

If I let it hang over the back, I wouldn't have a way to chain loader down.

That is a load for a single axle.

I'm not sure if that would be a good idea. For one thing the ramps would not sit in the channel right and could slip out.

@@TractorTech I've been doing it for 15 years. They are made for heavy loads.

@@TractorTech that trough they sit in would be sufficient well beyond the maximum tilt angle of the trailer. I had to laugh when you said it would be great if you could find a cheat to lessen the ramp angle!

Have longer ramps made and just stow them under the tractor in the dump bed.

Nice!

Depending on the attachment, you possibly could haul it on your truck.

I think with the loader hanging over that much I would have too much tongue weight. Yes, I could lay boards on the ramps to get the BX in. I was more less doing it to make a point. Some implements are really long like a snowblower. So it would be hard to get in with something like that.

@@TractorTech It’s possible. Weights, overhang matter. Are the rear doors removable? If loader braced, chained (assuming fluid filled rear tires) you could have the bucket overhang up to IIRC a max of 4’ with flags during daylight. But you need to know balance points, as well as axle ratings, your experience, licensing... I used a 12’ dump for yrs before I got a 18’ implement trailer. Listed as 20’ 6k axles. (Miss those 2’) I have cheap magnet 4 plug lights for stuff not having lights. So I added in bucket. I was told I should have covered trailer tail lights as possibly confusing to drivers. 2 sets of turn, brake on rear.

Thanks for watching!

I'm not sure that the battery box would support the weight of the loader.

​The battery box does not need to support all the weight of the loader the hydraulics and the tractor will do that just as much as if you were to leave it up in the air. All you need to do is touch it down you don't need to lift the front end of the tractor up in the air and put the full weight on the box. (use a rubber mat or block of wood to protect the paint).A second option If your loader has the reach to make it past the box then just roll the bucket so the knife edge is down and set the bucket edge on the tongue itself between the tool box and the jack stand.Again just kiss it you don't need to bear down on it. As a alternative (which is the better way to load tractors) is by reversing it on to the trailer (this is how I always run them for 2 reasons) ~First Going down the road the doors and hoods like to fly open as they are designed for max 25 mph and don't have safety catches like a truck door or hood. when they do this they are destroyed and if a door blows open 99.9% of the time you will blow out a side or back window as well ~Second if you have a loader you will most likely have calcium in the tires for weight at approximately 1200lbs per tire this will make the back of the tractor heavier than the front. To prevent sway of the trailer this weight needs to be on the tongue. ~In doing it this way you can lower the bucket down behind the trailer so you would have the front of the tractor facing the tailgate then close the tailgate and lower the loader so the arms extend over and past the tailgate. If you are less than 4 feet you are 100% legal if you are 4-6 feet past (which with your rig you wont be) you need red flags or lights and no the bucket does not need to be chained down or resting on a flat surface as it is connected very well to the tractor and requires no extra points of tie down. However if you are still nervous about this arrangement you can always place the bucket in the box of your truck and just over hang your loader arms.

@@GeorgeVeld Necessity is the mother of invention. A lot of imagination and experience will take you places thought not possible. The tarp roll needs to be moved down under the front to protect it. How about a short steep ramp up front to drive the front wheels up on a home made saddles then you can bottom out the lift cylinders and chain the bucket down to the tongue? More? weld two 2"x4" pipes to the tongue then set in your homemade stanchion 3,4,5.6ft high to set the bucket on. Don't want to weld? Ubolt them on. Turn the tractor around take those loader supports off and put them in the shed where they belong and pin longer pipe supports to reach the floor OR,OR, make a ladder type rack that pins to the front OR back to set the front loader on. A cutting torch, welder, and some scrap iron is all you need. Or if you have too much money just go buy new stuff to suit your needs.

@@Sny734 you still have a problem with hoods and doors blowing open but your idea would work well in reverse as well

This trailer doesn't have stabilizers. I wanted them on it but, it would have been a couple month wait to get it, as the dealer had just placed an order. I think the trailer doesn't move for a couple of reasons. First of all it is a 2 axle 12' trailer. Then secondly it is a well engineer trailer. The axles are placed properly, and the tongue is the right length. I have seen some dump trailers that have a long tongue like an RV tongue (which is longer) on an enclosed trailer. I have stabilzers on this trailer. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lU24bx2jSnM.html

@@TractorTech The fulcrum point on a dump trailer is the center of the back axle which is way closer to the back than on a regular flat or cargo trailer so the dump body doesn't hit the ground and if you forget to open the tail gate or the load hangs up it doesn't lift the back wheels of the truck and you go for a ride down a hill like my son did when he forgot to put the wood block under the back of my low 14,000lb flat trailer. If you take notice any dump trucks the tail gate is closer to the axle than a flat stake body or tanker or, or you get the idea.

If the loader was chained to the gooseneck you should be fine.

Check your local laws to be sure. Can you drop the bucket off and put in the front of the trailer backwards, then put the loader on it? Some people are also concerned about the shock load on the hydraulic system with the loader being in the air. Empty IDK if it is much concern, but if you had a bucket full of top soil and went down the road and hit some bumps you may damage something in the hydraulic system.

Technically you need 6 tie down points. 1 at each corner, one for front bucket and one fit backhoe boom unless you have pins to lock it secure. Not sure if that's federal or not..I think it is tho. But need to be done here in Washington

Yes, I can push them that way. I needed them to go into the bucket in this case so I could move them over to the pile.

I think I got it on etrailer. It is cloth so it doesn't lock. You can get a sort cable and a lock to secure the tire, then put a a cover over it. I got another spare tire cover on ebay.

You probably could let the loader (bucketless) hang over and chain it down.

Yes I take them out to wash them.

I don't see why not

I almost mentioned doing that in the video! Have a good week!

I actually have a 20' trailer. I was just showing a tractor fit in a dump trailer.

In most cases a dump trailer is no the best way to haul a tractor. I have only hauled the BX one time in the dump trailer. I like things to be versatile and with the ramps, I can at least get the tractor in the trailer if I had to.

So I should leave the rear doors open and be over width? I dont understand what hauling your mini ex has to do with anything.

Nice. The PJ trailers are well constructed.

I think the bed should be down while loading.

If I did that when I turn, the bucket would hit the truck.

A 16' gooseneck with a box blade would probably work. I'd like to have a 30' deckover gooseneck, but I really don't need one. I have a 20' 10k car trailer and it meets my current needs.

I ordered a gooseneck 16k suretrac deckover dump once opon a time but the deal fell through because they quoted me incorrectly (7k vs 8k axles) That was supposed to me my "do it all" trailer. Then I upgraded to a 110TLB and all of that went out the window. the 84" harley rake is 96" overall width so deckover is really the only way to go. Looked at lowboy trailers as well just wouldn't work too well. Thanks for the reply and nice videos, lots of interest on this subject on YT.

A few rounds like that is easier to move by hand.

Thanks for watching.

What do you mean?

I'm not sure if that would be a good idea. On a light machine like the BX it probably would not matter. On something heavier, it may not be good to do.

The gate does not hinge down like a tailgate on a pickup.

The tarp kit is there, so it would get damaged.

www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/cargo-securement/drivers-handbook-cargo-securement-chapter-10-heavy-vehicles-equipment

@@TractorTech that section of the DOT regulations is not applicable to your machines. First, I doubt your tractors weigh in excess of 10,000 Lbs. So you are deferred to standard tie-down regs. Second, the part you are misinterpreting is where it says it must restrain the boom to prevent it from "articulating". That applies to things like backhoes, excavators, and log loaders. "Articulating" means swinging laterally out of the confines of the trailer it is being hauled on. Your loader does not articulate per this definition, so you do not have to chain it down. I had to laugh when you said that the loader would flop around if you tipped the trailer over. 😉

Preparing Equipment To Be Transported (Section 3.8.2) Requirements Lower and secure to the vehicle all accessory equipment (hydraulic shovels, booms, etc.). Restrain articulated vehicles to prevent articulation while in transit.

@@michaelschettl9509 Possibly the bureaucrats who probably never have sat in this equipment and write this stuff think they know more the the manufactures. Personnel lifts with hanging baskets have warnings not to tie down the basket or upper boom to the transport vehicle. My Kubota shows 4 tie down locations and neither the backhoe or loader bucket are shown as tie downs. Maybe the voters in this country should take more interest in who is elected.

Thanks Dave. The bucket is a huge time saver. I wish I was in better shape, I am changing my program. Putting the bucket on the back of the trailer like that maybe splitting hairs. Some cops my let it go and other may not, IDK. The cat was a stray. He has been here a few months. His name is Conor McGregor. He is a fighter. If he sees another cat he is on it. He is a really nice cat other than that. When he hears my voice like when I am making a video he come running. Have a great week.

@@TractorTech LOL That name is a professional martial art 👍😊 Keep up the good works Sir and you too have a great week Cheers 😊👍

Something to keep the loader from bleeding down, would work, then strap the loader to the trailer.

With out the loader being tied down, it could move in an accident.

4 corners front bucket and backhoe boom need tied down with its own binder. Unless back boom has both pins in it or at least the swing pin.

I've heard of guys putting 350 badges on their 550 so the cops won't look at it.

That may be a good idea provided the cop doesn't pull ya over anyway & look at the tag in the door jam.

As long as it's not commercially used you don't have to stay under 10000lbs you should stay within gvwr of truck yes...I have a f350 ccsb with a 16,000 lb fifth wheel which puts me at about 26,000 combined, Loaded. At least here in Washington state. Fifth wheel towing for my truck is 16,000lbs and trailer towing 14k

If the angle is too steep the ramps won't sit in their channel properly and they could fall out.

That's not really a good way to haul it.

You could depending on what the implement is and what size tractor and truck you have.

Thanks for watching!

You probably could but the trailer may have too much tongue weight like that.

@@TractorTech Good call.

With the loader hanging over the back of the trailer, it would make the trailer light on the tongue.

I doubt there would be a problem with lack of tong weight, the back of a tractor is usually heavier than the front especially if tires are filled with fluid.

Thanks for watching!

That was the point of this video. I have numerous trailers for different tasks.

@@TractorTech Thank you for your reply !

Wow, I load tractors all the time like that. It’s not like he’s climbing out of a ditch line. I always back a skid steer up or a mini excavator