Drums are only there to keep time and Make a song sound Badass Then Whiplash (the movie) got me interested in Jazz and Drums I Listened to the Dire Straits - Sultans of swing The Vinyl Recording, and how the drums interact with the Guitar Chords. Then i started to listen to Dave Brubeck's Take Five, especially the drum solo. Then i listened to Julien Lage (Nocturne, I'll be seeing you. Live in LA) and how the drums work with the "Main Attraction". Now i Love Jazz Drums. Because they do what they are supposed to do (Keep time) and also complement the Music (Harmonically, like chords) and are capable of Solos. All at the same time. It doesn't matter what you do. But when you listen to a Shit ton of Music. You'll eventually end up at Jazz.
not me, i dont 'try' to tune, i actually tune to actual true notes. no one i have seen does this. bozzio claims to, actually he just writes note names on his piccolo toms. but you need a tunebot or cherub drum tuner to do it, impossible by ear even with perfect pitch. and tuning is one thing, but keeping them in tune with themselves and the kit is not easy. you have to alter your playing, stick choice, drum size and head choice, etc. its not as simple as just tuning existing drums
She's awesome. I think drums are often under utilized by artists. They're capable of so much more than just keeping time or creating a pulsing rhythm. Great video. Wish it was longer.
When people say Drums can be played “melodically” and literally play a melody, I think that’s only one level of it. But the idea of playing melodically on Drums to me is just playing with melody in mind. Meaning, don’t just learn the Drum part and “keep time”, learn the melody, sing along to the melody as you play. This will make you play more “melodically”. it’s everyone’s job in a group to be time keepers, it’s not the drummers job. If that was the case, why not just use a backing looped Drum track? Because Drums serve as an equal tonal contrast against the other instruments.
Yes...voice and each musical instrument can be used as one, two or all three of the parts of music: melody, harmony or rhythm. Drums can be used melodically (the toms are pitched), just a the human voice can be used in a percussive manner (rapping, beatboxing).
If you were a Pearl Jam fan from 1992 through 1997 listen to how their drummer at the time - Dave Abbruzzese - played the drums. Idk if he’s jazz trained or not but his playing style was extremely melodic. And I think his ingenuity actually is responsible for quite a bit of their extreme success in that era. He was playing drums like no one else could and if you were listening you’d definitely hear it.
Modern music is driven by technological improvements. The modern drumset itself was just a technological aid for drummers so they could do more. What is the 'commercial' of today could well end up being the standard of tomorrow. As modern musicians, to keep up with current and future tech is a must.
not commercial as in music that is easily sold to the masses, commercial as in an advertisement for "Sensory Percussion by Sunhouse". If they were talking about drum triggers in general, sure, but they made a point to underline the brand. Not even saying it is a "commercial", but that's how it ends up coming across.
초등학생 때부터 최애 음악 장르가 재즈인데, 여러 채널 돌아다니며 재즈 플레이리스트 들어봐도 이렇게 제 취향에 딱 들어맞는 재즈만 쏙쏙 골라 엮어 플리 만드시는 분은 JAZZ IS EVERYWHERE님이 처음이에요. 재즈 플레이리스트는 단연 이 채널이 짱입니다,,ㅠㅠ 넘 좋아요🤍 올해 고3이 된 저는 주로 단어 외우기 싫을 때마다 이 채널 플리를 틀어놓고 외우곤 해요. 매번 덕분에 음악 너무 잘 듣고 있습니다! 좋은 기분을 선물해주셔서 감사해요~ 채널주님께 다가올 앞으로의 삶에 더 자주 행복한 순간이 있기를 기도할게요. 그럼 오늘도 좋은 하루 보내세요🍀
I didn´t know this woman, she´s really great and her approach to the music is just right. You can talk with drums, you can sing, and you can play with felling and emotions to express yourself, that is the real meaning of art.;
As a beatboxer, I'm always singing along in my head but it's always so much fun to bust out the vocal trumpet noise or sing with the basses. I'm glad drum players can "sing" along with the melody too!
I think that any fan of classic prog rock will have known this truth about how versatile drums can be. Look no further than ELP or King Crimson to hear some next level drumming.
NickN2 all closed/half closed strokes on kit are collectively called 'rimshots" by many people. Just like comedy rimshots does not refer to something specific. Yes, a snare rimshot is a specific half closed stroke, but the collective term for all rimshots, rimclicks, and crossticks are "rimshots". If you have a better generic term, let's hear it. This is the term most pro drummers know.
wiremessiah most pro drummers come from a marching band/drumline background and it is taught in most if not all schools that rim clicks are specifically on the rim and a rim shot is when the stick meets the head of the drum and the rim of the drum at the same time to add a punch to the sheet of music so no. rim clicks and rim shots are not the same.its even written differently too
This is so interesting. I built a set of drum triggers myself recently and have been developing a patch utilizing Max/MSP and Ableton to trigger melodic phrases on synths via a trigger to CV to MIDI conversion. This is seriously the next step for drummers and it is amazing to see all the other drum artists utilizing these same technological possibilities to create melody on percussion. We are making the future, not waiting for it. I am so glad to be alive right now!
Anyone heard of the genre 'indian classical music' ? .......these things had been established long back in this genre. In Indian classical concerts there is a specific section called 'sawal-jawab' meaning 'question-answer'.....where the melody instrumentalist plays a shorts melody sequence and in the next bar the percussionist plays an equivalent of the melody as a reply creating a beautiful effect.
Not only that...(Hi, Abhishek ! Daisy here.)...a quick synopsis of the rhythmical /melodic range that you find in Indian classical music: tablas and the North Indian AND South Indian drums have beautiful traditional tonal contrasts in the various strokes on the drums. Also, just to speak about tabla, which is only ONE percussion instrument set..there are many different traditions, schools and styles of tabla. If you look at the field of tabla literature as a whole--that is to say, all the different compositions by many different masters of many different schools over the past few centuries...you find a range of literature that is at least as wide, extensive and varied as say, piano/harpsichord literature or violin/viola/cello literature. AND on top of that, the level of mathematical complexity and organization in tabla literature is far above the level found in Western classical music and somewhat more developed than jazz. What you won't get much in of Indian music is harmony. Melody is far more developed in Indian music, but harmony, nope. Hey, enough is enough !
As a person who's played a djembe for a few years, I am fully inclined to agree that drums can be used for so much more, in my time playing we would tell a story through changing where and how we hit the drum as well as sort of palm muting parts of it to varying degrees to make different sounds
She is a beast! Definitely changed my perspective of what drums can do. African talking drums are also awesome too! Its amazing how the instrument and culture around the instrument(s) can inspire someone (the drummer) to do new things.
You have missed it. Other than keeping time, the drummer is contributing emotionally to the music by controlling the tension and release. The different sounds are different tensions - not melodies. When a drummer solos - the emotion of the tension has taken over the song. He is not creating a melody. That said, there are some songs that match a tuned drum to a melodic note. That is rare.
“Rare“ is very subjective. I myself dont know jazz that much so I cant say anything about that but look to irish music (specifically Bodhràn playing) and you find loads of people tuning their drum to D as must tunes are traditionally played in D, for the whistle players. Jim Higgins for example plays extremely melodic on the drum. I know this is not the thing you are actually talking about but it might still be interesting
different tensions on the drum, and different kinds of drum, produce different pitches. a melody is nothing more than a series of pitches in a rhythmic order. therefore the drummer is creating a melody.
well in a way, technically, although drums produce indefinite pitches,particularly two headed drums. and melody need not have rhythmic order. indian classical music has a section that is unmetered melody, and lacks coherent rhythm deliberately. the pitches usually thought of as melodic are definite scale notes
Allison Miller is a badass! This is a great explanation of how drummers express melody through implying it more than being able to play it in exact pitches (though she gets pretty close anyway!). The examples of "melody" in the intro aren't the best choices... the horns in So What are playing a background to the melody of the tune, which is played by Paul Chambers on bass. Similarly, in Herbie's clip, he's playing the vamp of Cantaloupe Island, upon which a melody gets played on top of. Both clips ARE great examples of how all instruments in jazz contribute to the polyrhythmic fabric of the music, which is part of the African heritage of jazz also discussed with regards to the talking drum.
Well, yes ... but not for this way of hitting the drum. I mean, it's fairly commonly used in the wrong way, that's my point. There "rimshot" sound is a loud, sharp hit (hence the name) that incorporates hitting both the center of the head and the rim with the stick at the same time. Watch here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BfR-R1yh_p4.html
well then calling a generic facial tissue a 'kleenex' isn't 'right' either. so next time you hear someone call it that, i hope you are consistently pedantic and say 'kleenex? Come on. facial tissue, please'
The ultimate drum solo, as far as I'm concerned, it the one from Iron Butterfly's In A Gadda da Vida. It's a couple of minutes in and lasts maybe five minutes. I had to pull my car off the road after about 30 seconds.
Ultimate drum solo? In A Gadda da Vida? That's a laugh. Go check out this solo by Tony Williams. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uFCJs_WvsG4.html And he's just warming up. Or, check out Billy Cobham's solo on his album Total Eclipse. It's entitled Last Frontier. Or, check out Trilok Gurtu, he's a guy that plays melody lines on rhythmic instruments probably more than anyone. He's usually playing many melody lines and rhythms. Here's a video of some ridiculous playing of his. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-922LumI2ilo.html&frags=pl%2Cwn
For me, it's Michael Shrieve with Santana playing Soul Sacrifice Woodstock 69 is probably the most incredible solo I've ever heard, the mix between jazz, rock and latin music is just something out of this world. Also check out Max Roach, he's the master of melodic soloing. Elvin Jones, Tony Williams, Art Blakey to name a few, John Bonham's and Ginger Baker's playing is an amalgamation of all of these amazing musicians.
I really like the look of those sample triggers. Whether for jazz or not, I reckon I could have good fun with those, without making my drum kit pointlessly huge.
Really ??? Africa Gaelic drumming Slavic drumming Native North/South American drumming Greek/Mesopotamia drumming Norse drumming Asian drumming All origins
@@34672rr listen I respect the reply and understand your point but I truly don't believe that we all originated in Africa due to more Neanderthal variations having spanned from what is eastern Europe and South America. But thanks for the reply.
@@34672rr once again I respect the reply and the theory but after the migration from Africa the large majority went to what would become Persia as they migrated about 70 000 years ago aswell as the rest of Europe yet the earliest signs of drums go as far as only 40 000 years meaning that anywhere in the world could have spanned drums. Oh and I'm from Ireland with Norwegian, German, English and Scottish heritage.
Yeah drumming didnt COME from Africa, its just a human thing. Im really into Indian drumming so when she said it came from Africa I had to disagree. BUT I agree with the comment above African drums very very heavily influenced American Jazz music
OMG! I know exactly what she's talking about!!! My favourite is when the drums interact with other instruments whether its voice or the guitar. I'm African. Before she even mentioned the fact about Africa and drums I already made that reference. Drums truly are more than time keepers!
Yeah but if we didn't hear the song first and after her playing, and instead she just played the "melody" of the song firstly, it wouldn't feel melodic.
doesnt matter. art is always relative. if you had never heard music before, it wouldn't feel melodic. in fact most people dont even know what melody means
@@34672rr Yeah in some cultures they enjoy atonal music because they don't listen to music we are used to listen. I don't say her "melodic" playing is bad, and I love playing the drums, I just think it is *not* as melodic😝
hard to say, up for interpretation, especially given the generic definition of 'musically satisfying sequence of notes'. we usually think of notes in a scale, but thats not always the case. in the end its just another semantic argument.
Hahaha wiremessiah always comes across as a total twat in the comments. Intentionally missing the point and then when get owns tries some word salad and claims others are playing with semantics and then when won't let it go claims others are OCD. You are totally correct. If we didn't hear the song first there's a good chance most people couldn't identify the title. Even the drummer in this video is not very confident if it was heard. If that melody was played by a trumpet or something like in "Name that Tune" most would guess it fairly quickly. Maybe it would sound clearer on drums which are actually tuned, like bongos or steel drums. Doesn't sound like much on standard drum kit because that's not what they were designed for, as is clear in this video. It's just an extra thing discovered on this instrument, just as people find many additional techniques for playing other instruments.
Next thing they try to sell us is a device that will take the pitch out of the piano to turn it into drums. If I want steel drums I play steel drums. Sometimes you WANT a non-melodic instrument: That's drums.
“Africa where drumming came from” what a load of bullshit. Drums have been a part of most cultures from even their most primitive days. It’s not something exclusive to Africa. Europe and Asia and the americas all had their own style of drums.
". . .African culture, where drumming came from. . ." come on, you're a professional musician, you know "drumming" was invented independently around the entire world. While chanting and singing may have been the earliest music, drums were the first instruments, and predate recorded history. You just took my favorite thing about drums, that they are completely universal and are practically built into our DNA, and made them a secret trick found by only one piece of humanity.
Yes, but that's not what she said. "African drumming traditions blending with western marching drum traditions resulted in second line drumming, which became the foundation for jazz drumming." is not the same as, "Drums are from Africa." If you're going to teach people about drums, actually teach them, or at the very least, don't lie and hope people will just know what you should have said, and fill that in themselves.
This was an interesting video. I had no idea they made something like that. She seems to be a pretty great drummer. I wonder what she means by saying drumming came from African culture. Modern drumming or just the whole talking drums? I assume she just meant the talking drums because much older drums have been found in places outside of Africa, so I have doubts “drumming” in general originated there.
Kayla Colfax Talking drums are specifically from West Africa. I watched a video the other day of one being made. It was the drum the black gentleman was playing in this clip.
Kayla Colfax She meant in general. Come on Kayla, everybody knows Rock, Jazz, etc are so called Black music forms originally. They didn't create the music but borrow the instruments from other people.
It sounds like she meant all drumming, which is incorrect. Modern percussion in Western music is heavily influenced by African music traditions but percussion definitely did not uniquely originate in Africa
AudioBootlegs He played well and was melodic... and harmonic. ALOT of current drummers use triggers. 1000's Since the '80s. Musical Instrument Digital Interface nothing new. Check out Peter Sprague both he and his drummer(s) have been utilizing MIDI for decades... again nothing new here
That is NOT post-production. She uses sensors, Sun House sensors specifically. NOT triggers : sensors. Those are waaaaaaaaaay more advanced than triggers. Like you can map over 70 zones for one drum, and it reacts to all sort of little tiny things and can detect over 10 ways of hitting. It IS new. If you listen closely while looking at the different part of the drums she's hitting, you would realize not a single standard MIDI trigger can do this. Finally, notice that those sensor are plugged with XLR plugs instead of jack... light-years ahead of a piezo "on/off - softer/harder" sensitivity. But I guess you're the expert in the house :P
Jas Bataille MIDI is performance data Post production meaning how this video was edited versus recorded. Nothing new here. Trying to use post production to make up for that doesn't fool everyone.
This is what drummers need to learn more, and explore more their instrument. Normally you can hear it in a drum solo, the ones without it normally sound boring. Neil Peart is great at this.
so you never heard of a comedy rimshot ? words sometimes have different meanings, bro. i know thats hard to comprehend, but give it the old college try.
also 'whales' is a term with both general and specific meaning. dolphins and porpoises are technically whales, but the 'true whales' are baleen whales. oh how the intricacies of language elude you. probably all the pent up emotion an ocd. don't allow yourself to be triggered so easily, grasshopper. not a good look.
Do you still not get the fact that a rimshot is different to a rim click? When someone says rimshot, they are referring to the specific action (rimshot), not the generic (hitting the rim in some form). The same way that crashing and riding on a cymbal are different, but both are hitting a cymbal. Intricacy does not equal confusion and double meanings. oh how the intricacies of language elude you. Probably don't lecture someone about the intricacies of language at the same time as forgetting to capitalise and missing out letters. not a good look.
The Calendar Business exactly I much prefer Venezuela. What I’d give to live in Soviet Russia! I’d gladly waste away in the gulag for the glory of the state.
Allen it's a females version of rimshots. you know- we give them a break and cheat reality- and then pretend they can do what men/professionals can do.
whoa there, Tiger. She was a beast on the kit. She can play for sure, but her usage of rimshot had me confused. Her talent didn't match up to her knowledge of playing lol
@@beggingkaos6199 Totally agree with you man, Jazz is one of the greatest and most complex forms of Art but listening to it doesn't unfortunately mean that u are such an intelligent person.. E un sessismo del genere denota il non aver capito un cazzo di Jazz
I saw kamasi Washington a few months ago and there was a point in the show where he had both of his drummers (both on full kits) "converse". They could play melodies between eachother and it was amazing and you could hear the ideas of melodies that they had
I don’t think she understands how vibrations and percussion works. When a drum is hit, a sound is made without a particular note that can be made out. When a guitar string rings it plays a near infinite amounts of notes, however the note you hear is the strongest one out of the multiple notes interwoven into that sound. If you play a note on an instrument and then analyze it in the frequency domain you will see that what sounds like an E is actually multiple other notes within it, however you will find a large spike around frequencies that correlate with the note that E note. Now what gives a drum sound a “drum sound” is that there is no large spike under one particular frequency, all the notes are of equal magnitudes. Therefore the perceived note is nothing, just a beat or percussive sound. That’s why you don’t need to tune your drums to a particular key to match the key on the song that’s played. There is no melody played when she hits the drums, it’s just you’re expecting to hear the melody and you correlate the two together in your mind. The drums are not a viable instrument to conduct melodies with.
Yes and no. Drums are a block of sound, especially snares. But thats if you buy rock drums. Tamtams are basically a toned instrument if you tune em sharp enough. A snare without the beads has a pretty sharp sound depending on how you tone it. Cymbals are blocky depending on type and if they shake but hitting the dome on most cymbals gives a very pure sound. Basically if you tone it like a classical percussion instrument its going to sound like that. Regular drum sets are hard to tone to a scale so mostly you imitate the melody. But its very possible to tune them to a specific note and play on them like a toned instrument. Hell classical percussionist have a timpani which can be toned on the go with your foot and they retone it mid performance.
You give alot of interesting info (and alot of opinion too) but drums/percussion can absolutely be melodic. I have even played a drumset with the floor tom tuned to A and the others tuned to harmonize with it. There are lots ways drums/percussion can be melodic.
Drums actually have fundamental frequencies for each head. You have to precisely tune your heads in such a way that the tension matches around the rim of the head and creates a single fundamental with upper harmonics. If you look at a frequency analysis of a drum hit you can actually see the spikes at different harmonics of the fundamental. Drums absolutely have a note within each hit, it's just not the primary thing that we hear when a drum is hit and most of the time people don't tune their drums to specific notes. While the note within each drum is not dominant in what we hear, it exists and is especially noticable with softer hits.
not sure what they had to do with the female part, males didn't decide to dominate the industry with their big evil plan, males just gravitate more towards it.
The correct answer is, who gives a crap. You ideologically possessed person. She's is in this video because she's the one doing the exploration. Try to look at people as individuals, not genders, for a change. I'm so sick of identity politics and the lazy people that bear them to save themselves having to think. Why am I sick of it? Because it leads to Communism and tyranny.
you could look at people as individuals if they were not opressed as groups. The offbalance of famous male/female musicians is huge and no, @jzonkel its probably not an elaborated big evil plan, but it's clearly a cultural fucked up shit. Unless you can justify genetically a "bigger gravitation towards music" in males than in females it's a cultural problem. And a huge part of cultural problems such as these are lack of references; and precisely what this video is doing (having a female drummer) is giving this reference to 47k people who have watched it so far. So I don't think there's anything wrong about Wul's comment.
Yo! During the 2018 University of Montana Jazz Festival in March, you were my jazz band's clinition, Allison! You also killed it on the drums during the end of the day when everyone went and saw the masters of each instrument (with you on drums of course) come together. Fun times.
