Can you install a Yikes! G4 Processor in a Beige G3 Mac? The Beige Beast, Part 2! 

This was another excellent video! With each part of this series, I am like a little kid on the 24th of December waiting for the morning of Christmas. Now, I see what you are trying to do ... take a G3 desktop using your definition "a CPU box that is placed on top of the computer's desk with room for a monitor to be located above it" and turn it into a model that Apple Computer never made, a system that is a G4 desktop with tons of extras (i.e. USB 2.0, Fire-wire, etc.)

ZIF sockets are the industry name for any of those types of sockets, they are contrary to a socket where you need to push the pin into the socket. Rather ZIF sockets have a tension mechanism that applies force to the side of the pin. This isn't branding by apple.

Dude, that dust is killing me...lol

The term ZIF or Zero Insertion Force isn't an Apple thing, it's just what that type of socket is called. Up until the Intel 386 we generally used LIF (or Low Insertion Force) sockets. These required pushing the processor down into the socket, and required the use of tools to remove once installed.

Actually; I've always been a PC user since the mid nineties, and I did hear about ZIF sockets back in the day, certainly with Pentiums, and probably with 486 even.

I had forgotten about the RAM density thing. I have 6 hundred something in mine but it’s RAM salvaged from a busticated Graphite iMac. I hope my sending you down the reset the logic board rabbit hole didn’t take up too much of your time. BTW, Apple marketing didn’t coin the term zero insertion force. They probably used it to differentiate it from PCs but it if a chip can be dropped into a socket (unlike the chips in, say, a Commodore 64 which have to be pressed in) then it’s a ZIF socket.

If I were you I would have put new thermal paste on the processor/heatsink.

this is my new favorite channel. takes me back to my computer days of long past

Gee buddy, clean all that dust

In PC world we also say "ZIF", with or without the lever. The good time of upgradable, reparable mac, when they not just a hype and real computers.

1. Installing 256MB low density ram sticks will get you the full 768MB. I ran into the exact same issue. 2. I’ve read that changing the bus speed on these machines can cause issues with the floppy drive. I stuck with a solid 400mhz overclock on my 266mhz G3 and my system has been very stable. I’ll have to give a G4 CPU upgrade a shot and see what happens. 3. I’d HIGHLY suggest drilling a hole in the case for the eject button on the Zip disk. IDK why, but mine is the biggest piece of crap and has a 50% chance of mounting the first disk I insert after startup. The hole I drilled was just slightly bigger than the floppy and CD eject holes, but it looks pretty factory.

It was called ZIF (zero insertion force) on the pc platform too... You really should scrape that black interface material, lap the base of the HS with fine sand paper and use some good thermal paste on it.

That particular ZIF was actually first used in an RS/6000 for a 604-based card with a separate L2 cache card. Judging by the pads on the beige G3's logic board, this may have been a consideration for these machines until they decided to change direction when Steve Jobs came back (these were originally not going to be high-end machines; they were intended to be clone-friendly CHRP-compliant boards like the old LPX-40/Power Mac 4400 and a proper 6-slot machine, PowerExpress, was in development to replace the 9600). The beige G3 can use the G4 CPU directly but the B&W won't because Apple locked it out in firmware (which is why you need one of the upgrade purveyors' utilities to patch the FW to enable such upgrades). Just check your VRM and ensure it's not a Royal-branded unit or it may burn out your G4 or even an upgraded G3. Also some of the early beige G3s had logic boards that supported 83MHz bus speeds. It was going to be an option originally but Steve nixed it in a drive to simplify product line-ups, so we officially only have 66MHz. Although the 83MHz speed doesn't work with the fastest (>500MHz) G4 upgrades, only 66MHz which is why you have to clock down the B&W and Yikes! G4s to install those, it's a very good boost for

I owned a PC store in the early 2000s, we (Windows/Linux guys) called them ZIF, too.

My cat lilly looks just like that! I have to keep an empty pc case around so she sleeps in that instead of my projects!

11:11 Cheetah is slower than puma, puma fixed a lot of the issues that cheetah had like low speed and missing features

i love it how you keep the original hard drive in the pc instead of a dumb solid state storage solution

You know I have the bell on for these videos! Great content!

Why did you not repaste the cpu and use that old thermal pad?

Knowing how badly things like this can go, I’m mostly happy/excited for you that this worked out without too many issues lol.

Awww, you have a so adorable pet cat!

Wow Nice Upgrade Good Overclock Nice To See How It Runs OX10 Also Nice Kitty

Out of curiosity, why do you consider 10.1 the worst version, and not 10.0? 10.0 was at best a beta, with 10.1 being the first usable and feature-complete version.

I know that this is an older video but ZIF or Zero Insertion Force is an electronics term, the cartridge slot in the original NES was considered a ZIF slot, same with Microcontroller programmer slots

As I recall, from the 1990s when I was in college and had a PB1400c and had G3 envy, people in universities here and there mede “supercomputing” clusters of G3s, just by hooking up a load of them by ethernet and running a software that shared a heavy computational task over all the processors. Does anyone else remember that? If that is something that was done then, perhaps someone who did it back then can help Sean and his shenanigans friends to set up a supercomputer for the next VCF and we’ll get a fun video out of it! 😊

Dude I just got a cool idea. Putting a YIKES G4… inside of a G3 AIO. If you ever think of doing a video series on the G3 AIO, this is something you should try!

I have an old g3 with a fastmac g4 466 upgrade. Same process as you've shown here.

IIRC, you can’t install a G4 CPU on a B&W. The BIOS was patched to block it.

Wouldn’t mind having a Beige in my possession....

ZIF is the correct name for this socket, it was also called a ZIF socket in other machines but less prominently

Nice! I haven't seen this done in awhile.

I just discovered your channel last night with the Cursed Mac Classic. In that that episode you mentioned Philly. I don't know if you've ever heard of the Today's Sunbeam newspaper from South Jersey. I have a beige G3 that was used used by one of the editors of that paper. I got it at a Restore Thrift Store in Carney's Point NJ

Wow. Never knew you could over clock a Mac with jumpers!

Ugh, the low density RAM thing. Had the same issue with my iMac G4 snowball. Quite the struggle to find the right memory.

Interesting how our minds seem to run along parallel lines. Now I know why you asking if I was going to use Yikes CPU on that Blue and White I am planning to upgrade. Excellent video! By the way, you were going to link to the source for the jumpers?

ZIF socket is not an Apple or Marketing thing, it's just the name of that type of socket.

actually it is called zif on computer too. the nes 72 pin connector is even called zif. this is what the name of it is and not something apple came up with now. the jumper block is a example or without zif and bending pins on a cpu like that would be bad.

The PC sockets of the same style were indeed ZIF too, and called ZIF and were called that long before G3s. Has nothing to do with Apple specifically, so it's purely ignorance from your end.

It never occurred to me to buy new jumpers. I simply pulled the old ones out of the white block and pushed them in to the new positions in the block. This was when I acquired better G3 processors for my Beiges. I never found a G4 that fit the G3 slot, but if I had, I think I would have left the G4 Yikes in it's original computer since the Beige has no real advantage over a blue and white or a Yikes or a Sawtooth. And some disadvantages.

I noticed on this video with the G4 upgrade, system profiler shows no L2 Cache installed, did you ever figure this out?

I recently did a lot of this same work on my beige G3 desktop. But it looks like the power supply just died. Are there any modern replacements or do I have to scavenge old beige G3’s?

I used to do the same with my blue and white G3. Overclocked it to almost 500 MHz from 400 MHz but it crashed so I went to 466 MHz. It was stable at that speed. Not much of a increase though.

No actually that’s not what happened. ZIF is an industry term used to describe any socket that has a latching pin system. These have been around since the 70s and it wasn’t Apple that came up with the zero insertion force it’s been around for years. The PC market had the same term used on their sockets also because it’s an industry term they just talked more about the socket type because of how many pins it had and how many pins it had would determine what processors he could put on the board that’s why the socket number was the most prominent thing. Just a fyi ... enjoying the video.. A lot of machines from this. Use the low density Sims because they were the cheapest and the sockets couldn’t read the backside of the Sims because the sockets were for the cheapest memory of the time these are home machines. I don’t think it was until 9293 that we started seeing double density memory then EDO memory and then ram bus and DDR after that

Nice show has been watched by a Windows computer user as me.

Dude, I don't want to be that guy, but clean it! Dust is killing for all electronics!

I was hoping you would do the challenging thing instead, and install an ARM processor. Well, I guess I'm going to have to wait a few months still :)

ZIF or Zero Insertion Force is not an Apple branding thing. any socket like that is called ZIF, including on PCs. Intel and AMD just never used it in marketing, but the did (and do) call them ZIF sockets.

I wonder which piece of hardware holds the data that determines the 'Machine ID' within the hardware overview of System Profiler. EEPROM on the mobo?

Do the clock jumpers affect the bus speed or the multiplier? Since you ended up with 366, I'm guessing it's the multiplier? (66 * 5.5 or thereabouts) Also are you gonna talk about your experience with Puma in any future installments? I'm sure it's been interesting.

My beige G3 mini tower I have running with a bus speed 78 Mhz with a clock of 315 Mhz and it's stable running OS8.6, OS9.2.1 and OS10.2.8.

Possible to upgrade to tiger or leopard ???

Hey do you know If anyone has attempted a reprint of this boar so you can other components directly on the boar

i keep freaking out about that heatsink being insufficient, there are kits for this exact use that have bigger flat heatsinks

0:39 🐈‍⬛❤️

What is the latest version it can run

Actually, ZIF socket is a quite widespread name also in the Intel PC world...

4:44 No this is jest the name for that type of socket

VOID IF SEAL WARRANTY IS BROKEN To me it sounds like you would have lost your warranty if you'd left the sticker on.

half way in, can someone tell me if he cleans the dust out of the box, because its damn nasty.

cat approval.

Nope ZIF or Zero Insertion Force slot is called a ZIF slot for PCs as well as it is the official and proper name of the slot. The original ZIF slot was designed to protect fragile component pins and does not care if it is for a G3-G4 or Pentium PC processor. Apple didn’t invent that slot nor did Apple come up with the name.

ZIF connectors were a thing back in the very early 1980's, for IC's, so Apple didn't coin the name.

woah you voided the warranty twice on the same product 😂

These machines only accepted single sided RAM chips. If you put double sided dims in it the machine won't recognise it. It's just an Apple irregular oddity. You can have that much RAM but it needs to be single sided DIMMs. As to the CPU speed you need to change the jumpers (In fact it's the same as the Power Mac 7600 for jumpers).

"Void if Seal Warranty is Broken"

"What better stress test than installing the worst version of Mac OS X ever released?" What ? Are you sure you want to install Catalina? (more seriously, I didn't know that Puma was so hated, actually :))

The Pyu-may-mun?!

I installed a 350Mhz G3 in my mini tower and now it's stable at 433 Mhz.

Sean was so shy on older videos

Wait, no thermal paste on the CPU?

He didn't use thermal compound.

Would be ironic if the Yikes! failed on ya

Ouch, that was painful to watch. When you remove the clip holding the heat sink on, you need to put some downward pressure on the clip. You just yanked it out and risk breaking the plastic on the ZIF socket. Ouch that really hurt to watch.

Apple used a lot of marketing speech and still do, but Zero insertion force is a common term.

apple did not invent the zif socket Its always been known as zif on macs and PCs there used to be a socket on earley PCs wher eyou litterly had to force the chip into the socket with alot of foce

VOID if seal Warranty is broken

Flash yourself a nvidia fx5200 or 6200 pci 256mb to mac. Ultimate graphics for a g3

your cat likes heat from it

now install the 10.6 powerpc beta on it

Do you not own normal screwdrivers and whatnot?

Does anyone see this and think "socket 370/Am4 all day"?? Or is it just me 😂

Bro, just raw dogging the CPU without any thermal paste

there is a misunderstanding here! thats not your pc! 🐱

Wait, puma is worse than Cheetah?

It does look like the Mickey Mouse head!! 8:D

G4 is near identical to a g3 minus altivec

dirty motherboard

Dude can you remove your hands from videos they are really annoying and causes distraction