This age old question will be answered once and for all in this historic video. Thanks to our guest Eric for playing the guitar. Fralin Hum Cancelling Pickup: www.fralinpick...
Uh bro, you go and ask the dudes in both Meshuggah and CC and they will both say Iommi was an influence, and without Black Sabbath, nothing that is what we call Metal would have existed in the same way.
@@redacted5035 but it's still correct. Black Sabbath, which is recognized by many (especially in America) as the first heavy metal band used p90 pickups for most of their famous works.
@@riffwizardsupreme I believe Alcest had many of their albums made with a jazzmaster, in case you're interested. It's rather post-metal but it's better to recommend good music anyways haha
Great video. I use my Gibson Les Paul BFG, dual P90's, for metal every Thursday. A cheap noise gate (low-medium threshold) and I'm off and running. They sound killer. Old school, Gibson P90's are fantastic pickups.
EZPZ, just turn down the tone knob to a 6 or 7, and add slightly more distortion than you would with a humbucker. That’s why I love my les paul special - very versatile, handles pretty much all levels of distortion like a champ.
In my opinion, I prefer the sound of the true single coil, the “airy” quality of P90’s is fully on display, and how much treble it has. I love Fralin, but I personally will stick with a noise gate and a true single coil. Great video!
Some of the mid frequencies are more recessed than the standard P90. It shouldn't come as too much of a surprise as a side by side humbucker does something similar.
The Lindy Fralin P90 pickups are a Sidewinder style humbucking pickup. It was originally developed by Bill Lawrence. The coils each have bar magnets in the center, in horizontal orientation facing the poles.
The standard P-90 has more presence. Hum cancelling a P-90 defeats the natural tone and makes it sound muffled. Also, P-90’s have a lot more of a mid focused tone than humbuckers do. That’s what makes them so different.
The silent p90s at the moment just aren't very good. Someone will nail it in the end. Though I have to say, under high gain, a very bright top end can become hashy.
If you get a pair of reverse wound p90 s it will cancel out the hum when both pickups are on and turned up full. This is the same way the pickups on a regular Fender Jazz bass comes wired.
I recently bought a Gibson Firebird studio 2018 with P90's and it metals like no other. Very tight and precise single notes and nice warmth in the chords, and the the beautiful clean stuff, couldn't be happier:) Plus, this video helped me convincing myself, so thanx
@@axesofjusticeguitarworksho7275 Yes, but not a very good one since it doesnt take away the full hum. One has to be quick with the volume button haha. Im aiming for the Engl fireball 25 watts that has one built in so maybe that will be better. It takes a little more tweaking, and not every amp will react the same to the p90's so its about getting the right combination of guitar and amp.
I have never wanted to tune a "B" string so bad in my entire history of wanting to tune a "B" string. Great video ! I have Humbuckers in all of my guitars except one Gibson P90 Les Paul guitar....I love P90s and I love the right Humbuckers. The P90 has a very unique "quack" and a unique scream. The P90 guitar was the last guitar purchase that I made. I am glad I did.
Great video, I had a Bareknuckle Pig-90 pickup custom made after watching it to put in my p90 Gibson SG. Eventually I went back to humbucking pickups, replacing it with a p90 sized Bill Lawrence L-500XL. This pickup was infinitely more responsive, more aggressive, and noiseless. You can play metal on a p90....but there are better options out there.
Personally I love P-90s. Kind of bought a PRS SE with P-90s by accident. Best mistake I've ever made and don't need to buy another guitar ever again (need and won't are different). As to all the "who made heavy metal" garbage, Tony Iommi himself does not claim that crown, but he might nod politely in your direction if you mention it.
technical point--P-90s do not CREATE hum, they simply allow us to hear the natural background radiation of our Universe. (And nearby electrical systems).
I have noiseless jazz bass pickups and its three bobbins and two coils on one set of pole pieces. I have seen others where its two coils, two strings beside each other on a normal bobbin (like a pbass pickup under one cover) I just looked it up and the Fralin p90 is like a sidwinder; two sideways coils opposing each other on one set of pole pieces whereas a standard p90 is just a short, fat single coil.
did he actually not mention using a noise gate ? when that's the most obvious and most efficient solution, and a lot of metal guitarists already have one ?
If you use too much gain with a noisy pickup, your gate will either not close reliably and require you to turn down the volume knob every time or not open reliably cutting off a lot of your playing. At some point the difference in levels between noise and actual playing becomes just too small for a gate to work properly, especially in a loud setting, which is why the noise cancelling pickup is so useful.
@@uselesstunes3888 you can put the noise gate before the amp, with a much lower threshold. It won't cut the noise added by the amp (well, you can use a second gate after the preamp, but that might be a bit much) but it'll cut the hum very well. In your video, it doesn't seem like the hum-cancelling P90 is that much quieter than the regular one. The noise has a different frequency but it's totally still there
@@wombat6 We tried using a gate that detects before the amp and gates in the FX loop. The feedback just builds up too quickly for that to work. With the noise cancelling one it worked fine. This may only be a sample size of one, but for this it did make a difference.
The guy from Uncle Acid uses a P90 - I imagine with a noise cancelling pedal in his pedal chain. P90s are ok for the kind of tones where it's guitar > overdrive > fuzz > clean vintage amp if you've got an Ns2 or similar somewhere in there from my experience
I prefer a humbucker, but p90s give you kind of a similar tone to single coils, and I love heavily distorted single coils, it would be nice to have a secundary guitar with p90s
Fun vid ..great presentation 👏... mojotone quiet coils "P90" are spot on "bright" p90s, but silent... and I do mean dead quiet. As others mentioned, with a reverse wound neck pickup the middle becomes silent and is also Great sounding... Single coils... there's nothing like the articulation of that bite...so for more extreme forms of metal with high BPMs and right hand insanity? done right they make sense... i swear by mojotone quiet coil technology (you have to try them) Dimarzio Area pickups and the Heavy Blues, Injector and even "Chopper" all quack like crazy and sound SICK w high gain...
Thanks. Noise gates are great, but they become a bit tricky to use with very noisy pickups in high gain situations. You have less wiggle room with your threshold between the gate cutting off too quickly or not quickly enough. It might come down to a choice of either having your attacks and sustained notes cut off, or the gate not closing soon enough for it to clamp down on excessive feedback. We actually ran into that issue with this exact guitar before fitting the noise cancelling P90, which resolved the issue.
Man I need a secondary guitar with P90s. I freaking LOVE early Black Sabbath tone. Say what you will but those early Iommi riffs were as heavy as anything with taste....although to the bands credit, Black Sabbath's rhythm section made those guitar riffs sound so much fuller.
For more high gain stuff without being a lindy fraylin panzie, flip the magnet and wiring on one p90, so in the the centre switch position it creates ONE HUGE MOTHER OF HUMBUCKERS that is actually the two p90s.
@Homo Chomsky Defending your purchase, are you? Brought a set of panzie pick-ups, did you? To "cancel the noise" instead of being a real man and embracing it. Its ok buddy some of us eat steak raw in the middle and chop down trees for firewood 🪵 🪓💪🏻 - others ask for extra soy in their coffee at Starbucks. It's ok, buddy, we're all different. Give me a hug, you big panzie, we'll make a real man out of you yet!
The high gain sounded like the "insane" channel on a line6, that being said, almost anything would feedback with that much gain.
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Can't you noise cancel by switching to use neck and bridge P90 pickups at the same time? I was curious to hear how both would sound at the highest gain.
Those cheap yibuy humbucker pickups especially those sd invader clones. Trust me it sounds like p90s. No kidding, I have it installed on my project Les paul
I'm trying to turn a shovel into a Jerry rigged Whamola, all I need is a 6 ft (2 meters) bass string and a p-90. Yes I have my heart set on a single coil p-90.
I have a Gibson robot guitar from 2010- the fireball or whatever it was called. Well it has been sitting in my closet for the better part of the last 2 years because the robot part crapped out on me. I’m about to take it to guitar center and have them replace the ugly tuners, the mismatched tone and volume knobs,, the ugly bridge, replace the wiring and pots, and replace the p90 and humbucker.. I would love to know what pickups you guys think I should drop in to get the best sound for playing metal such as megadeth. I had a Jackson guitar and loved it and want my les Paul to sound like Dave mustaines old Jackson V.
P90's can do everything a humbucker can , but sounding better while doing it . Unless you play trash metal , you can do very good with a P90 . Specially Bare Knuckles . My LP Junior has one and It kills !
Yes and no. At some point the noise can't be distinguished from the actual signal. At that point you can set up your noise gate to either open up too often and create uncontrollable feedback or not open up fast enough cutting off your notes. Very high volumes and gain settings make the life of a noise gate hard enough as it is.
It has been used on D Standard and sometimes Dropped C for months now without any noticeable problems. I don't see why it wouldn't also work on even lower tunings.