Can You Spot the Rules Violation? | Commander Special 

i guess they didn't miss any

Under another comment they wrote that the only missed Call was the turn order being wrong

​@@beanofknowledge2125they missed the painter servant's etb trigger doubling with panharmonicon

@@manuelfernandovillalbaguti6356 It doesn't have an etb trigger. The choose a colour effect happens "as it enters the battlefield", the effect never hits the stack.

@@geoffreymullen3527 While the effect never hits the stack due to being static, you have to choose a color as it enters the battlefield. Doesn't that count as a trigger?

There was also a rules violation where Carl flipped a coin for mana vault and took damage but never called heads or tails.

Do you know where that ruling is? I have been scouring the Comprehensive rules and have not been able to find it. Never mind its part of a big blurb on 103.1 and missed it.

@@kristeenlivesay2664 He established a shortcut that he would always take damage if he flipped Blastoise with the first flip. Not technically a rules violation.

@@Technomagus huh, that makes sense. I’m so used to people calling it every time or declaring that being the shortcut that with how he worded it I guess I just assumed it was only on that flip.

Indeed, the turn order being counter clockwise was the only rules violation they missed 👍

They played Colossal Dreadmaw... what else is needed exactly?

I think we didnt get anything because they caught all of them, they were only gonna do a rundown of any they missed

@@sarahtekh 103.1 states that "...default turn order begins with the starting player and proceeds clockwise." so they definitely missed at least one

Carl misread or misrepresented the card "Bone Saw", it doesnt have 1: Equipped creature gains +1/+0 it just gives this statically.

Painter servant was banned too right?

Exactly

You would have been correct, but we chose the funnier option 😅

There were even whole side-quests of rules interactions that we didn't get to see because they called out some rules :) maybe for next time.

@@CardmarketMagic As mentioned when "Sword of the Meek" wasn't allowed to trigger twice. I would love to see those interactions.

What was especially impressive to me about the script was he needed to be prepared for more than one game state, because rules violations he got away with and didn't had different game state outcomes.

He would have had to given them a point for that if not just an insta win.

🙄😅🙂

He reminded me of that meme kid - "Wait a minute....who are you!?"😂

I was literally at that point in the video and clicked the time stamp and it kept going right back to where i was already at.

It was

*Beautiful* lol

​@@CardmarketMagic13:15 Carl didn't declare targets before resolving the spell 14:30 1) colours of mana produced by Cascading Cataracts wasn't declared, and 2) Carl didn't declare which mana remained in his mana pool after he cast Talent of the Telepath And you have to play clockwise

⁠@@joedoe7572he said me, although quietly

@@joedoe7572He did declare targets before resolving the spell. The real error is that he put it in his graveyard before resolving the spell.

You would also be able to use it to cast two artifact creatures in a row, one as an artifact and one as a creature. The same thing comes up with Atraxa Grand Unifier

They actually did miss a judge call relating to that. If a card has multiple types and you are casting it via muldrotha, you have to choose one as you cast it.

No, that's Muldrotha's reminder text you're thinking of, not rules text. Rules text is the normal non-italics stuff. Reminder text has no bearing on the rules of the game, and it often glosses over the details of rules while preempting the most common question. Also, you can cast MDFCs from graveyard for any mode, so long as the Type of that mode hasn't been used this turn.

The Professor is lurking in the shadows waiting for even the slightest opportunity to ask if people have read the card.

@@1997Awesomedude Yeah, thinking about it, having him cast two artifact creatures would definitely have been the trap play

But nobody cast another green spell (mycosynth lattice)

@@caseywellington4761 true, wrote the comment the moment he played it and got the phrasing wrong, and im not much of a tournament player to know if reading a card wrong is enough to make it worth to call a judge. Just wanted to point out a mistake as you do in comments :D

If you wanna be cute, sure. But clockwise means to your right, as if you were standing on top of a clock. It does not mean that you get to imagine where a clock would be and act accordingly.

​@@RodrigoCML7clockwise means to the left, what are you on?

@@xolotltolox7626 you might want to google that. I think it's the sense of circumference where most people get lost and mix right and left

@@RodrigoCML7 you might be mixing it up mathematically postive then, because mathematically positive is to the right aka counterclockwise

@@xolotltolox7626 maybe, but I'm not talking about mathematically posstive but about the direction notiom derived from ancient sun clocks where clockwise would mean from left to right, as per the sundial. Like "Hey Abraham, where is the bakery?" "Go straight and then turn clockwise". Also in military terms, 3 o clock is to the right, 9 to the left. Which applies here where we are determining in which direction the game will go. Again, a google search away to find that out

And that’s the video editing so who cares?

Burn doesnt exist anymore, so its irrelevant

I mean, this one is kind of weird. KCI is a mana ability, and therefore can be used during the casting procedure of Mishra's (after the cost is locked but before it's paid). So it's possible to sacrifice for KCl while casting, making the mana before the triggers are even checked. Beside, even without that particularity in the rules, he did resolve the triggered ability while the bauble was on the stack, implying the effects were put on the stack in the correct order.

That's not a rules violation, just good etiquette (same as specifying when you're tapping Cavern of Souls for colored mana).

that's not required

it technically is against the rules. you are required to explain what you are doing in any game of magic. you HAVE to tell your opponent what you are doing cause otherwise it is considered hiding shared information (cheating.) @@siosilvar

and yes you also have to explain if you are tapping cavern for colored mana as otherwise you are straight up deceiving your opponent by hiding important information. both of these could get you in trouble at a tournament depending on the judge and if they want to enforce the rules that strictly. the cavern thing would be really sketchy tho if you tried to counter and ur opponent was like 'oh i didnt tell you but tapped cavern for colored mana so its uncounterable' like that WOULD NOT FLY! @@siosilvar

⁠this is literally how it works. The rules were changed. You don't have to specify

Technically that's the tournament rules, not the general rules of magic. The MTR is not a given for a casual tournament. Even if it was, you are quoting the IPG but a Commander game is more likely to be at Regular so it should be the JAR. The JAR solution is "Remove any cards that shouldn’t be in the deck, **put back any cards that should**, then add basic lands of the player’s choice if the deck is below the format’s minimum size limit. Any cards that are added to the deck should be shuffled directly into the library. If the error was discovered during a draw effect, have the player complete the draw effect after the deck is fixed and shuffled." So you would remove Emrakul, shuffle Colossal Dreadmaw into the randomized portion of the deck, and then mill a random card.

@@raisins7777 What implied this was a casual tournament vs an official tournament ran at Comp REL? They never specified, so you gotta cover your bases.

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Thank you :) that's so kind of you to say

Yeah, the overlapping color changing was an interesting instance of that.

It's a colorless spell tho.

Mycosynth Lattice lets you pay mana as if it's any color

Devoid creatures are colorless, but have color in their mana cost. So, that argument isn't foolproof.@@darebrained

@@fredrickatchison4542 but it wasnt a creature or devoid

I think the point was that the color of a spell does not change the cost. Colorless spells can still cost colors.

oooooh, a spicy call...

@falsnamae3511 yes, but he still said he has 3 floating mana. He has 4. 1 colored and 3 colorless.

I don't play a lot of commander but I have a Rashmi, Eternities Crafter deck that I have never yet had the opportunity to use :) it has spore frog and moment's piece and tangle and card draw and no real way to win outside of your opponent's going at each other instead of you 😅

I'm happy you enjoyed it :)

You are technically correct about GY order mattering. The best kind of correct.

What rule are you looking at? 613.7K? That is not how I read that rule. Each player makes choices for their own timestamps, but active player makes choices for THEIR items first, then the next one, etc.

613.7m If two or more objects would receive a timestamp simultaneously, such as by entering a zone simultaneously or becoming attached simultaneously, their relative timestamps are determined in APNAP order (see rule 101.4). Objects controlled by the active player (or owned by the active player, if they have no controller) have an earlier relative timestamp in the order of that player’s choice, followed by each other player in turn order.

You could argue that is Out of Order sequencing per MTR, really.

104.3a A player can concede the game at any time. A player who concedes leaves the game immediately. That player loses the game. There is no exception for commander, only a social expectation since it can be bad manners to deny combat damage, spell resolutions, or to remove permanents other control that you own.

Only in the sense that you live until the upkeep of the next turn. Then you lose to commander damage when state-based actions are checked.

@@NMS127 not really teferi's protection doesnt say you cannot loose the game. So would lose the game whilst being phased out

@@akorthouwer I was talking about the case where you use Everybody Lives instead.

The ability of Painter's Servant choose a color isn't a triggered ability.

@@fabiogfox6751 ah, I believe you're right, didn't see the "as"

Sad. I used to be one in the before times.

He did :D it's our new intern and he's wonderful!