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On splitting during drying. The Japanese cut a thin groove down one side of a green timber, which greatly prevents warping ans splitting. Kiln drying kills the lignin (a key part of the cell structure), which makes the wood more brittle. I recommend a great book: "Understanding Wood" by R. Bruce Hoadley
Wish I had a teacher like you in High School but I am 63 so we might have both been in HS in the 70's LOL. I have been a home builder in Tucson AZ for 40 years and am getting ready to build a timber frame in Montana using the sawmill I just ordered. Life long woodworker as well. Just wanted to tell you I learned so much from your videos, thanks for sharing your knowledge sir !!
Hi Pat! It's good to see you teaching. I pray for you and yours frequently to continue being safe and sharing the wealth of knowledge entrusted to your family for generations to come.
Very good information. I live in a log home that's 30+ yrs old, it's had shrinkage over the years, but far less than most because we have managed the moisture within the house.
Thanks for the knowledge that you shared your experience is priceless, my Grandmother's family used to be timber cruisers in the Fort Bragg Mendocino area, I got to live in the Redwoods growing up but it was in San Mateo county had some big Douglass firs there also. My Daddy built houses for a living and you sound like him the way you explain things. What a treasure you are ! God bless you and your family Aloha
I remember seeing "shacks" in the Appalachians as a youngster that were made with green lumber. The rational for using green was that mostly hardwoods were available that were impossible to nail once dried! They were called "Tar Paper Shacks" because they were papered over because of the cracks opened up from shrinkage.
Thank you, your lesson greatly improved my vague understanding of the nature of lumber and it's condition as it relates to moisture loss and the ways to compensate for it's variable conditions now I will never look at any wood quite the same any more. Thanks again.
These videos are very interesting! My wife and I just took over her family's acreage in Lincoln county, we were surprised to learn you folks are so close by! I would love for our house to be timber frame, so we will be binging quite a few of your videos!
Great job, Pat! Enjoyed the refresher! Miss you and all the great folks at Shelter! I need to make another pilgrimage from Arkansas to Maine to come visit! Thanks!
I live in Brunswick. Drivin by many times. I had no idea who made this video until the end. Was actually thinking of you as i watched thinking i might want to visit. Imagine my suprise when i discovered who made this.
Hey guys me and my crew are getting into timber framing from standard framing. Been a great decision so far! I wonder what you “seal” your Timbers with? We use a local rough sawn formula stain.
Excellent instructions. I took a timber frame course four years ago, but they never got into the particulars about timbers drying. We were just told that if you plan on building a timber frame(s), that using Eastern White Pine is the most ideal due to its stability, as you pointed out. That being said, I built a 14'X20' timber frame starting in February of 2019 in the confines of my garage, and purchased all my timbers from a local saw mill where the wood was harvested in the fall. I got my timbers home and left them stacked on the trailer and removed one at a time as I notched each piece. Once each piece was completed, I did as you said, piled them off the ground with spacers and slackers and covering them with a tarp. What I found was as I started adding more timbers to the pile, I noticed that some of the timbers were getting mold spots and bluing that was occurring. Is there something that I did wrong in this process? I ended up sanding to clean up the mold then added a bleach water mix to neutralize the mold. In the end, everything went well and today I have a structure that is up and has external wall, but not completed. Thanks for this info. It will be good going forward. Cheers from Northern Ontario.
Haa, I love the expression when he said “This is what happen when you drive that 2 x 4 to home.” Who is that congressman? Is that Mitch McConnell? Great video! Answers a lot of my questions and learned few things now. Thank you Pat! 👍🏻
In Australia House frames were always made from green Eucalyptus hardwood until the late 1960's. It was easy to work green and dried evenly and to an incredibly hard condition. Almost all framing now is pinus radiata from plantations and it is generally prefabbed off site and brought in, same with roof trusses. all stud spacing is closer than with hardwood because pine is so weak and soft when dry. We have been told that the cost to insure and replace our 1962 hardwood timber framed house would be twice what it would cost to make a pine framed house these days.
Older homes in Australia with eucalyptus hardwood bearers and joists were built green. You can’t drive a nail into dry Australian hardwood unless you pre drill.
The large country homes were built with the local hard wood species , light coloured messmate and brush box, red gum was extensively used also , well built framed and clad by multiple carpenters using oversized timbers , 4×2 studs 5×2 ceiling joists & 6x2 floor joists on 4x4 bearers .
And mortised into the top and bottom plate in order to prevent twisting, I have worked on many houses in a little old ex gold mining town called Braidwood in southern NSW. always amazing how well done and long lived those Hardwood walls are. messmate ash stringybark spottedgum, yellow and gray box for jambs and window frames, hard as hell.
I love when you throw in the tid bit comments about wealth and the congressman. I love it man. You are so right. 1 Timothy 6:10 Thank you for the video and your wisdom
Great info . So I took away you can use greenwood with several methods not for it to twist. Also the IRS is to blame due to inventory for not having more timber frame houses out there.
The US IRS does not "tax" inventory. Granted it might not be possible to deduct the costs incurred in producing it until it is sold, but to say that the IRS "taxes" inventory is just not correct. Local governments might, but not here in VA; they only tax tools and equipment, generally. From your friendly retired CPA.
I know a guy who cut his own timber then built a barn out of it. It was a twisted mess after a while but with some bracing he made it strong. Still standing 30 years later.
I got a burning question in regards to the splitting at around 5:40 in the video. If said timber is purpously cut on the top side, would that not controll and reduce the number of serious cracks to only the top side? So long as the timber only experience longditudal and vertical forces, would it not retain about "99%" of its strenght? Just genuinly curious, since i have no background in woodwork at all :)
Saying, "You would have to be a congressman that has taken billions from the pharmaceutical companies in order to have enough money to do this properly" would have been enough alone to earn this video a "thumbs up"; but thank you too for the great information.
this is fantastic - love the jokes about congressmen! Note that I use AnchorSeal to seal the endgrain before stickering . It really helps prevent cracking
So; I will be able to cut down 30 Douglas Firs for a Post and Beam build. Do I mill the posts first and let them dry, or do I dry them and then mill them after how long? Thanks
If you are taking the timber from your own property and not in a hurry look into "moon wood". It's a method of girdling and then felling the trees at certain times of the year.
old folks here used method called like "month wood". cut the tree just before spring leave it upside down at a slope and wait till the leaves come out. taht way most of the water goes to the fresh leaves and even branches.those are cut off. here we have a general rule every cm of wood means 1 year of natural drying.. like for a 15cm thick plank its 15y.
I just got done building a cabin for a family member completely out of green non dried hemlock. Put a roof on it and put Batten board siding on and let it sit for a year and you pretty much could not drive a nail through that if your life depended on it. It's not Timber framed but traditional framing but I guarantee you that structural will last 150 years with a little bit of maintenance. And with the money saved they were able to have me cover all of the walls and ceilings with tongue and groove white pine instead of piece of shit drywall.
Had built a house 30 years ago with green pine cut from our land when the road was put in and house site cleared. The siding was 8” x 1.25” pine board and batten strip all green also. The first coarse of siding wAs hung horizontally, then 30# tar paper, then vertical boards and batten. This was in the Ozarks. House turned out great and 20 years later when we moved all fine.
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@@paftaf , I find it interesting that you don’t know the first thing about me, proceed to call me names and then do a poor job of trying to explain why we have taxes. I never said anything about no taxes and no government, did you miss the part where I mentioned my dislike of how our government is overreaching, furthermore my tax dollars are not all staying in this country so please do your homework before you try to educate someone else.I hope you have a good day though and God bless you.
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@@paftaf , again you know nothing about me and continue with name calling me and oddly enough labeling me. Did you decide not to try to have a discussion and just continue with your, apparently, normal fashion of speaking down towards those you perceive you disagree with. I personally don’t know anything about you or your beliefs with the exception being you disregarded my statement entirely and made accusations. Interesting.
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