Canon 200-800mm Bird & Wildlife with the EOS R7 Camera!

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I visited Harrison Bay State Park for bird and wildlife photography using the Canon EOS R7 and their new 200-800mm super-telephoto zoom lens. The RF 200-800 lens is a powerful photography tool on the APSC sensor R7 camera body. You end up with a full-frame equivalent focal range of 320-1280mm! I was able to photograph several birds and deer. I did struggle some with locking focus in low light with this combination but the R7 camera body struggles to lock focus in low light with other lenses as well including the expensive RF 100-500 L series lens.
At around 9 minutes into this video. I talk about the manual focus ring which I think is fine. Some other RU-vidrs have said they don't like its location but I think it's fine. I also talk about how the focus ring has to do double duty. In addition to being the manual focus ring it also serves the command ring job but can't do both simultaneously. So if you use the command ring, you may see this as a disadvantage. I used to do exposure compensation with the command ring but I don't like having that feature at a different place on every lens so now I use a command dial on my camera body to perform that function. So, to summarise, I don't have any issues with the location of the focus ring or the lack of a dedicated command ring on the new RF 200-800 lens.
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@edwardmorton7246 8 месяцев назад

The backlit closeups of that deer are beautiful!

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@jeffolson4731 8 месяцев назад

This is the combination I have used the most. I have been going out with my RF 100-500 on my R5 and the RF 200-800 on my R7. My initial thought was I would use the R5 setup for BIF and really close subjects or when I wants to get a wide view. I have been pleasantly surprised with the ability to use the RF200-800 on the R7 for BIF. This lens is amazing. If I could only have one lens, this would probably be it.

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! I think I would pick the 200-800 as well if I could only have one.

@ammadoux 8 месяцев назад

thanks so much for the beautiful shots you shared, love that face shot of the little deer so much, thanks again.

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! That is the one Heather said she likes the best as well.

@diegoramirez6165 5 дней назад

congrats, nice shots.

@PhilThach 5 дней назад

@@diegoramirez6165 thank you!

@MrEcliptor 8 месяцев назад

I love you Phil… you know that? You are just the best. ❤

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! :)

@adrianalfordphotography 8 месяцев назад

You got some awesome shots in this video Phil. The deer shots were amazing.

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! It was a good morning for deer. 🦌

@malonipastroni395 8 месяцев назад

I would love to see more in the moment photography. i know it takes a lot more effort, but it would be really cool to watch your process. POV would be especially cool

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@RogerZoul 8 месяцев назад

Thanks Phil! I really appreciate your continued coverage of the 200-800 with the r7. Over the past week, I tested the r7 hard, using my 400 mm f4 DO mk 2 lens, which gets me to 640 mm FF effective FOV. Note that i have owned the r7 since it hit the streets. As you noted, it is not as consistent with AF as the r5, but it can still hammer home winning shots, at a cost of a lot less than and r5. On the DO, I think it can “see” better than on some other lenses, like maybe the 100-500, though I’m not 100% sure on that. But I got some really good shots at a hit rate that seems more than good enough. I was shooting at lot of distant birds at f4 but stopping down for closer birds. I’m going to Panama in March and an trying to decide on the best gear to bring given that light will be low and we will be doing a lot of walking. So my 500 mm f4 mk2 is ruled out do to weight. My 100-500 is ruled out due to the 7.1, though I could get by on the r5 with it, but the r7 may struggle. But the f4 DO, on either the r7 or r5, along with the 1.4x tc, seems like the way to go. I would go with the r5 on the DO for close birds, and use the r7 for more distant ones. Then I would put the 1.4x tc on for the Harpy Eagles we plan to see high up in a nest. Of course, if my 200-800 should arrive in time, I may be using that on the r5!!

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! A friend has the 400 DO and loves it. If I’m traveling by plane the 100-500 is my go to because of its tiny size. We are in Florida now but we drove so I’ll be working with the 200-800 tomorrow at the Black Point wildlife drive.

@NECPER 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing again Phil. Great video. Greetings from Per Christensen, Denmark

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@naturebites5974 8 месяцев назад

Totally gorgeous photos! ❤. I think I love the lens! 👍. Thank you for the video!

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@billmartin1010 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for this video and test, Phil! (I don't know when you made this, but our daughter was married at Harrison Bay State Park on New Year's Eve. As we were being photographed after the ceremony, she and I identified the birds we heard as they visited. Bird nerds.)

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! The second day of this video, which was the majority of this video, was made on Christmas Eve morning.

@MrTmiket0007 8 месяцев назад

Thanks so much for sharing another wonderful video like always

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@ses4vols 8 месяцев назад

Nice shots! I really liked the different deer shots. I liked the generative fill shot at the end. I have been using generative fill to remove people from my photos and really like the results.

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you, Stephen!

@Goodkarenmostly 8 месяцев назад

Great shots, Phil!

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@mvp_kryptonite 8 месяцев назад

Some impressive shots! Nice!

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@RoyBlackwell 8 месяцев назад

Great video... I am still waiting for my backordered lens to arrive.

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! I hope you get yours soon.

@tysonator5433 8 месяцев назад

Great review, I own a R7, A6600 abd 7Dii and though the R7 is the best camera I own. It does suffer from a slow read out sensor which is about the same as my A6600 and better low light performance than my 7Dii. For the price the R7 is a very capable camera and when it first came out people thought it was going to be the successor to the 7Dii as apsc R5 camera !

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@johnmoffvideos 8 месяцев назад

great shots Phil, the lens really shines on the R7

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@markattardo 8 месяцев назад

Nice results!!

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@JeffreyPadell 8 месяцев назад

A very good review of the R7 and 200-800, one little nit, the minimum FL with the 1.6 crop factor is 320 rather than the 360 you said at 00:43

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you, you are correct, I remembered it wrong. Good catch!

@SK-px2zn 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing your honest opinion on AF while shooting at High FPS burst rate. Do you think using an 400 F2.8 LENS EF II would work better(because of more light) in getting, "in focus" keepers at 30 FPS❓I am asking because I have the lens would love to take advantage of the 1.6 crop factor. I almost ordered an R7 and just held back since I was not confident if I could use it for Bird in Flight shots at a high keeper rate.

@PhilThach 5 месяцев назад

I think you would definitely get more keepers than you do at F9 for sure.

@keltonlynch7666 8 месяцев назад

I purchased the lens the other day and it's amazing! One huge problem for me though is a lot filters do not work with the hood at the same time. The Sigma WR filter overhangs by about half a mm and because of this the hood doesn't slide over it.

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

That sounds like a problem with the filter, not the lens. I never use a lens how when I'm using a filter. But I never use a filter with a bird photography lens. So, you are experiencing a problem that would never appear in my work. I hope you find a filter system that works for you.

@alvinblackwell268 8 месяцев назад

Throughly enjoyed this post Phil. Made me miss East Tennessee ... there so much to photograph 📸 there 😊 ... BTW I like the "ugly" beach ⛱️ vs. the AI generative fill. The AI steals the character of the environment IMHO 😊

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@sfink16 8 месяцев назад

Great video and shots Phil! I'm still debating on buying the 200-800mm, partially because of the AF issues on the R7, but it appears that many good shots can be taken when AF is working.

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! The lens doesn’t appear to focus any better or worse than other lenses on the R7.

@thimoschreiber4275 3 месяца назад

with r7 as your only body, would you recomend the 100-500 or 200-800 if you have only one zoom and telephoto lens

@PhilThach 3 месяца назад

Only the R7, I would definitely prefer the 100-500.

@timboekhout7249 4 месяца назад

Have they fixed some of R7 AF issues? I’ve been thinking about getting one. Is yours an older model?

@PhilThach 4 месяца назад

The R7 focuses about the same as it did on the original firmware.

@picmoj 8 месяцев назад

Thank you for your explanation. Does the focus problem still exist in consecutive shots?

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! Yes, they R7 definitely, misses focus from time to time, even in the middle of a burst.

@picmoj 8 месяцев назад

@@PhilThach It is unfortunate that canon produced a camera with 15 shots per second, but did not use this feature

@WernerBirdNature 8 месяцев назад

Hi Phil, I loved all your images and their amazing details, but the open mouth with Bambi eyes was clearly your cutest shot ! Regarding the R7 AF struggles, you may have missed that but Duade had his R7 at some point checked by Canon and they actually admitted it's AF can struggle at the highest framerates, likely due to the relatively slow sensor readout speed leaving less time in between frames to adjust focus. This is in line with your observation to have better results at the lowest ES frame rate. But then I'm wondering why you're not switching from ES to EFCS ? At 1280mm you're not supposed to scare away the birds with the shutter sound, and EFCS avoids rolling shutter you can get using ES, but it also avoids the shutter shock you'd see when using mechanical shutter.

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! I always watch Duade’s videos. I may try electronic first curtain shutter a little bit tomorrow at the black point wildlife drive in Florida.

@WernerBirdNature 8 месяцев назад

@@PhilThach Looking forward to how you'll like the EFCS. I do know the R7 has a louder shutter compared to R6/5 etc .. The last months I'm using more EFCS than ES on my R5 because it avoids the rolling shutter but also the Wobble (which I typically noticed in the first few frames of a burst). I might miss some frames, but it does save me a bit of time while culling (which is the least fun part of photography)

@BobSouthDakota 8 месяцев назад

Great video and beautiful photos Phil/Heather! BTW, what is the cage you have on the R7?

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! It’s an L-bracket, and I think it’s made by Sunway photo.

@dccoletrain 8 месяцев назад

Does the autofocus work better with your full frame camera? I was real tempted to get the R8 but I’m holding off and seeing what comes out in the future. I’ve spent enough already… 😂

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! Yes, I think I have better luck with the autofocus on my R6II, but I still prefer the R7 for birds because of the reach.

@vimalneha 8 месяцев назад

Hi Phil, informative video. I would like to hear if you would recommend 100-500 or 200-800 for wild life photography. Which one would you recommend?

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! I think I prefer the 200-800, although I think the 100-500 is probably a little sharper.

@vimalneha 8 месяцев назад

@@PhilThach Thanks Phil ...

@leonfisher 8 месяцев назад

This time, for me @04:44 was the winner.

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! I was pretty happy with that one, too! That’s why I used it for the thumbnail.

@actylise 8 месяцев назад

Hello Phil, great content !! In your opinion , which is better , canon R7 wit 100-500 or canon r6 mk2 with 200-800 for bird photography ? thank you !

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

What about R7 with 200-800?

@actylise 8 месяцев назад

@@PhilThach very tempted yes , indeed , 320-1200 mm is a dream , i already have 2 R6 mk2 and i din t know what lens to pick up 😅😁

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

@@actylise oh, get the 200-800 if you are after small birds, especially if you are using the low resolution full frame R6 Mark II.

@orangeofmars2835 8 месяцев назад

I looked at the Digital-Picture comparison tool between this 200-800 vs the Sony 200-600 with 1.4X TC. Looks close with the Sony 200-600 having an observable advantage in sharpness (at 800mm). I am looking to upgrade from my Tamron 150-500 for Sony with Sony A7RIV and may go to Canon R7 with the 200-800. However, from what I am seeing so far not completely convinced. May go with just selling my Tamron 150-500 and getting a Sony 200-600 and Sony 1.4XTC. Using the same tool I see at 500mm the Tamron 150-500 being observably sharper than the Canon 200-800.

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@bishfrie 8 месяцев назад

I want this thing. Thanks man. Do u think a full frame R8 will pair well with this?

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! Yes, I think it will be great on an R8.

@anthonywisdom9214 8 месяцев назад

Still waiting for my copy, do you think the autofocus will struggle more or less with my R10? My 100-400 tends to struggle if pointed at sky and sometimes If background is full of trees.

@anthonywisdom9214 8 месяцев назад

So I guess mainly, is the autofocus better than or about same as 100-400

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! It sounds like your R10 focuses about like an R7.

@anthonywisdom9214 8 месяцев назад

@@PhilThach makes sense. I do find it focuses a lot better at low speed continuous

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

@@anthonywisdom9214 about the same.

@N_v_G 8 месяцев назад

Nice video Phil! Only thing is that some of the pics are not as tacksharp as I'm used seeing from you.

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! Yes, if you are used to seeing photographs made from the blind, where I am significantly closer to the subject, these will not be as sharp as what you’re used to.

@billmartin1010 8 месяцев назад

My boss (another bird photographer) and I were discussing the R7's autofocus just yesterday. We both think the R7's AF was far, far better with the original firmware. It seems to us that, when they upgraded the AF in the firmware, the AF actually became less reliable. It seems to jump off of focus now, even after it has it! The original R7 AF was amazing -- and better than that of the R5. Now, it's clearly not.

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! I don’t remember a significant change in the AF after updating the firmware, but you could be correct.

@JeffreyPadell 8 месяцев назад

That is exactly why I have NOT updated the firmware. AF seems ok so why take the chance

@Mr09260 8 месяцев назад

I enjoyed the Video Phil and this Generative Fill interests me although I cant/am not allowed to 'Change' images for entry into Photographic Salons . I can Crop but thats all >> no manipulation allowed as per the Rules of Entry , But for Social Media etc I can obviously remove a stick etc from in front of say a Lion portrait

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@teddyabraham3289 7 месяцев назад

Awesome video...How about the rolling shutter while shooting birds on flight?

@PhilThach 7 месяцев назад

Thank you! Just switching from electronic shutter to Electronic First Curtain or full mechanical shutter will completely eliminate rolling shutter problems during in flight shots. Or use an R3 with its stacked sensor will also fix that problem.

@anthonylemley8762 8 месяцев назад

Phil, thanks for the content. I really like your approach and choice of crop sensor cameras, Most people use full frame, and it makes more sense to me as a wildlife photographer to use crop. I shoot R7 only, I put my 80D in the closet and haven't used it since R7 with EF 100-400II. Since you are like me me with bigger hands, I want to share one of my favorite mods I have doe to the R7. You can find a youtube video that shows brief instructions on how to use older model battery grip and saw off the stem so it can be mounted to the bottom of R7. It is not functional as a shutter or battery, Just a very comfortable grip, especially useful when using large lenses.Keep up the good work! 200-800 is my highest interest now, I don't own one yet, but with your help I will be forced to treat myself to a new lens. Ebay the Canon BG-E2 grip. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PUh1p8ps-m8.html

@Mr09260 8 месяцев назад

I have always only used Full Frame for African Wild Life & Birds .. Current setup is perfect and my Camera Z8 looks like its going to become a life long and final friend of mine >> 45 M Pixels so if you need to crop ..it gives you plenty to play with > Lens Nikon Z 180-600 f5.6 - f6.3 and if I ever need more on say a small bird or far off Kalahari lion >>>flip to DX and get 900mm @ 20 m Pixels @f6.3 where others start at 200mm f6.3 and here I am working at 900mm @f6.3 >> I have finally found African Wild Life Photography Heaven after shooting Wild Life here for 60 years

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@przybylskipawel 8 месяцев назад

This beautifull sandy beach doesn't fit the subject. It is not a grey heron's habitat. I like the original shot much more. Maybe if the foreground was a bit blurred, it would look better.

@PhilThach 8 месяцев назад

Great blue heron can also be found at the beach. That an interesting idea, blurring the foreground.

@przybylskipawel 8 месяцев назад

@@PhilThach Oh! I mistook English name.