We’ve been using the N300 for about a year now and love it. Because of smaller budget, we could only purchase this 1 camera for now, and I run all the PTZ features off the free web portal software. That feed goes into our ATEM for livestream. Been very pleased!
For the price you are paying for a PTZ you could get a very good camera body, lens, tripod and all the accessories. I understand that PTZ's are good for those who don't have volunteers, but if you're dropping $6k for a camera, I'm sure you're church is big enough to train a volunteer to run it. You also need to remember that PTZ can do only 1 job. A good DSLR can be used anywhere, is easily moveable and can take stills. A PTZ is stuck and cannot be used for other functions. What we really need to see is a church that isn't a mega church, or has mega church funding. A church like mine has $2-3k per year to spend on audio/visual equipment, not $200-300k
I’ve been using Panasonic PTZs for the last 8 years trying to squeeze every last bit of functionality out of them I can 😂. One thing I was able to figure out that I couldn’t ever seem to find an answer for was preventing a PTZ from jumping to a preset while live on program output of the ATEM. It involves a lot of apps talking together (TouchOSC, Bomes Pro, AtemOSC, OSCulator) but if anyone is interested, I can try to make a tutorial of our setup.
@@MRBaumX years ago, I bought a skarhooj gpio link, thinking I could accomplish this somehow, I misunderstood the product and it sat on the shelf collecting dust lol. Yea I’d be interested to see if you can accomplish this through skarhooj
We just installed 3 PTZ cameras and used them for the first time this last Sunday. They look freaking incredible. Their image quality is absolutely stellar.
@@soundofthegardenwatc We got the SDI ones. They're black (I couldn't find their model number). The joystick operation system is superb as well. Lot of fun to use.
Good timing haha we’re getting ready to go through some renovations in our old sanctuary we took over from a previous church and our PTZ options are likely going to be CR-N700s for our down the line PTZ and a stage cam or two coupled with two C series stick cams. It’s been near impossible to find a good thorough review of the Canon PTZ system in a church context so given the N700 is just basically a 12g genlocked N500, this makes me very happy.
Thanks for the breakdown of these. The n500 has been on my radar for a while. For $5500, it’s a tough sell for me. If you are in a cathedral or somewhere that ptz is your only option then sure it makes sense. With the Sony fr7 coming out, the ptz options are getting better! Just don’t go out and buy a cheap Amazon one and expect the same results friends!
Yeah the n500 also zooms in tight enough at a max of 60ft away which is great for most small to mid sized venue. The Sonys look cool but $10k before lenses for the full frame ptz.
Actually technology is getting better we all need to have an open mind. Look how cellphones cameras have gotten better still with small sensors.. most of these PTZ camera brands have been learning from their user’s feedback and tried to make improvements. Lighting also is a big factor regardless of the sensor size, good lighting will make an’y cheap camera look good loll
I've been using these cameras along with Skaarjoj controller to sent the Tally light commands to the Canon cameras when the ATEM selects the cameras. Been super happy with them!
I also love the Canon PTZ cameras, but the Controller sometimes is not intuitive enough for volunteers. So I prefere using the controllers from skaarhoj both for controlling the ATEM switcher and the cameras. Check them out, greetings from Germany.
My problem with PTZ’s have rarely been sensor/lens limitations. The problem is movement. A manned camera looks infinitely better for reactive movement than a PTZ and it’s not even close. It looks bad and robotic for movement, and even if you dial in a preset position/zoom settings - you’re stuck with static shots. Even if you’re a smaller church, I would still spend the same amount of money on a static angle of a DSLR/mirrorless and a good lens if you’re limited on space/people.
We use PTZ and NDI that way we can use multiple independent PCs mix according to destinations. The person mixing for the centre backdrop screen needs the lyrics as much as the person mixing for the hall view screen same applies to the person mixing for the live stream.
This is a mater of taste thing but if I have access to the DHCP-server I always prefer using IP reservations over static IPs. This makes it a lot easier to manage all addresses in one place and reduces the risk of IP conflicts in case of misconfiguration. It will also make it faster to set up the cameras in another network with a different subnet for ad-hock setups as you will not have to do any changes to the camera's IP configuration. The downside to this approach is that without the DHCP-server none of the devices get any addresses. As most DHCP-servers run on a router that is the primary network gateway anyway without it you will not have a network to stream over so it's a single point of failure regardless of your IP configuration... unless you run redundant bla bla bla...
Pretty cool set up for sure but I struggle to see how spending almost $50k on cameras like this is really well spent donated money. I guess the same could be said for half the online streaming stuff most churches run nowadays.
The Canon XA55 ($2800) is much the same as CRN500 ($5400) less PTZ for all most half the money. They have a great image. If you don’t want to use SDI try the XA50 you can save $500 more on the camera very easy for volunteers to run.
Great video. Would be awesome for our small/medium church but cost prohibitive. Media doesn’t get a priority in the budget meetings. We went with the Panasonic lumix route this year. Planning on get a GH5 in next years budget
@@OrbofShingeki yea we got 2 G7s. One is the safe wide shot. The other is the main cam. Way better than what we had but we need to upgrade the main to a GH5. Then we can have 3 shots
@@baron1c that sounds like it will be a great setup. If you nail the framing, exposure, and white balance on those bad boys you’ll be making great looking content. Love it!
We've been using the new Ross PTZ-12 cameras (3 of them) which are basically the same exact specs as the Marshall CV-730. We're using a Ross Carbonite Solo-13 switcher and Dashboard software to control the PTZs. Love the image (also a 1" sensor) but it's nearly impossible to color match with our 2 Canon XF405s.
One of the Canon executives I spoke with recently informed me that the Canon Cr-N500 had an 11 ms delay. So, how would you handle it if you wanted to view the camera on the LED wall inside the church.
Love the look and ease of use. Wish they weren’t 5k each though. Is there a way to control a black magic 4K like a PTZ. Looking for the best cost effective options
Maybe you could try putting it on a gimbal and remote controlling it from your phone. But those cameras are hard to balance. You won’t have autofocus either.
Hi Jake. I appreciate the breakdown of the camera. We just purchased 1 CR-N500 and 2 CR-N300 for our church. By chance, do you have any recommendation on rotating the video and control for a camera that is mounted upside down on the ceiling? Is the rotation done within the software we use for video streaming? Or is that one of the settings within the camera itself? We'll have 2 that are right side up and one that is upside down.
For the good folks at South Fellowship, I also use Canon PTZ cameras (2 CR-N300s over NDI into OBS and out to a BM Web Presenter 4K) and have for about the past 10 months. I notice that you are using a StreamDeck in your setup and mentioned that it is doing at least some camera control (notwithstanding the Canon IR controller). Are you using the Canon XC Control protocols for those controls or some other function such as hotkeys? I have access to a StreamDeck but would like to use a LoupeDeck Live to use the rotary dials for P, T, Z, and manual focus control. I could accomplish this in OBS via plugins and hotkeys, but that seems a bit ungainly. XC Control seems more robust, but there isn't a lot written about it's use.
Amazing video, thanks for sharing! I have two of the 500’s for now, but when I see this… my mind starts doing 💸 😅 When I got my cameras and the controller, the documentation was real sparse… so I’m learning a lot from this video alone!
Using a private Network POE Switch for the cameras is recommended to avoid contention with the other traffic in the local network as well as some of the issues you mentioned.
Checking out the Camera power requirements, it reads like it needs POE+ PoE: PoE+ power supply via LAN connector (IEEE802.3at compliant) - PoE cannot be used External power source: 24 V DC (using included AC adaptor)
@@AerialVideosPhotos I believe I understood your point (use a private camera network, rather than share it with printers, computers etc). In the video Jake mentions using POE to power the camera. When I looked up the Camera Specs (above comment). I saw that it needs POE+ (which can deliver more Power to Camera). When I saw your comment about POE switches I wanted to clarify if POE+ is required not standard POE. I came this close to buying standard POE switches. 🙂
Jake, could you do a video about direct lower third record/streaming with video all insude ProPresenter 7? We've been doing this at our church, but been getting glitches (we think it's our computer RAM, but a better settup is in planning to key lower thirds from PP to the switcher and get the ATEM mini pro to actually record from the switcher).
We teach step-by-step how to set up lower thirds and stream from ProPresenter 7 using an ATEM Mini as the capture device in The Beginner's Guide to Live Streaming course. We haven't seen issues during our testing or haven't had any students mention issues with that method
@@toddniemann1921 You get paid? I thought your philosophy was to purchase all the equipment, software and office space required to create high-quality educational content for free and not have time for any income that would provide for yourself or your family.. Anyway, haters aside - if anyone wants to watch the video instead of just look at the thumbnail you can hear Jake explain how we came to get these cameras from Canon and our honest opinion on them.
This works only if you have the budget for these expensive cameras. For the price of 1 camera I can get 8 sony a6000 with the same image quality. Sure if I have no volunteers I can't move them so maybe I would buy some motorized sliders/heads or 1 PTZ for moving shots, but building a setup with only these cameras is just insanely expensive for most churches.
@@samuelearu Mostly budget ones. 16-50 kit lens, 55-210 tele. Since most cameras are static, super cheap manual prime lenses from TTArtisan or 7artisans work wonders since they are pretty bright with a nice DoF. There are many power zoom lenses and with cheap multiport controllers you can use these cameras like camcorders.
I have the Canon CR-N300 and my video quality looks no where near yours. Why? We have plenty of light and it just seems noisy and fuzzy on 1080p60 running to the ATEM TV Pro 4K switcher. Any tips? What am I doing wrong? I control the camera with an AVER PTZ using VISCA.
any ideas on what kind of mount you would use for a Cannon cr-N300 to a truss? Our church plant recently went full mobile and we are stumped on what to do with the cameras attaching to the truss
Hey guys, can you provide a link to the tripod showed in this video? Is there any special mount between the CR-N500 and the tripod or does it just slide on and attach somehow?
@@DuffTV it effects the motion blur of anything moving in the frame so personally I think it makes a big difference. Even just people talking can look strange at 1/30 personally.
I can't seem to find the ATEM camera control panel that is seen in this video which is being used to control the 2ME television studio 4K. Does black magic still make those control panels?
Thanks for the video! I have also despised PTZ's for the same reasons Jake mentions... and therefore, must now eat crow. Does anyone know if there is a Black Magic equivalent or if these would look good with BM? We are currently running two Blackmagic Design Pocket Cinema Camera 6K's from the back of our room and want to get some more angles of the stage.
Trying to make up my mind about getting the CR-N300 vs CR-N500. I haven´t seen any footage from the CR-N300 that I think is good enough... It feels old... Anyone that have and can share more good looking footage? Is it different in a lighter environment perhaps...
Did you end up getting one or both of these cameras? I'm currently trying to decide between the CRN 300 and the CRN 500. Do you have any experience with them at this point that you could share?
We have the JVC KY-PZ100s in our worship center right now with the JVC camera controller. Do you know if that controller would be compatible with these Canon PTZ cameras if we were to add it to our setup? Haven't been able to find anything on it.
Friends, if I am yo put down a single figure for the entire kit, 5 cameras in your description, the video controllers, joy sticks, monitors and cabling, what would it be. Could you possibly link me to someone who could give me some answers on this?
I need to say that your encoder is not so good bacause too many blocking issues on dark spots. So sou need to boost your encoder to as much as possible settings.
@@calebrabion Hi,Prisual ptz camera it used Panasonics sensor,great image and accurate focus,if you use 20X optical zoom,you can capture the clear iamge capture a head and shoulders shot at up to 75′ (23 meters) away.
wow you didn't say how much these cameras are, the 500 is over 5000 and the 300 is over 2000, how can a church afford cameras like this?, this church on this video spend over 12000. thats is nuts, our cong could never spend that kind of money.
CR 500n $5,000 each hehehehehehe... Let me explain this to the elders why we want to spend that much... 🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭 I'll wait for the Amazon- China knock off - The Kanun 4K ptz $2,000...🤣✌️😎
@@MrHeuvaladao if you want the equiv sensor to the camera he recommended it would be a BirdDog P4K (but it’s real expensive), if you don’t need 4K (and for live-streaming I don’t think you do) the P200 is also great. If you’re using Blackmagic cameras already pick something with a Sony sensor (like BirdDog for best results. Panasonic has a great lineup of PTZ AWUE-150K is one of them.
If any ptz has a 1” sensor and good lens optics I approve. When it comes down to the price, the only comparable BirdDog I see is $3k more than the n500. Hmmmmmmm
And then God said, "behold, I need millions of dollars and bokeh, so that thouest can follow me and praise me while drunk and obese at home." Hallelujah!!!
Ah yes expensive camera and production systems blasting the faces of the musicians on big screens by expensive projectors. definitely the best use of funds, definitely couldn’t of accomplished any greater good…
