The problem with canon right now is the closed RF system. I chose Sony a few months ago, despite preferring the Canon. Many better performing lens options in the budget friendly segment.
The problem with Sony is the tiny 46mm mount. Sony needs a new mount like Canon and Nikons 52mm. My current fav lens is the Samyang 10mm EF rectilinear. This lens cznnot work on the Sony mount due vignetting. The even the sony 12mm vignettes with ibis on. The Canon RF glass is sharp, and I can use 300 EF lenses on my R5. Sony does not offer what I need.- the Sony mount is just too small.
As much as I love Canon bodies, I am very averse to the direction that Canon is taking towards lens design. They serve the professional market very well, albeit heavy lenses, but hobbyists are served with lenses having average built, protruding lenses, noisy motors, meddling AF performance and relying heavily on digital corrections. There is no middle ground, and it may take a long time for them to serve the this market. I am glad to have sold off the R5 and RF lenses before their stance on 3rd party lenses became public.
@@lalonkarim3040 All of them. For example the 24-105 f4 L has 3.3% of barrel distortion at 24 mm. However the 24 1.8 probably has even much more so it's probably much worse.
@@2point7182818284590 These are the lenses that are unusable at the wide end without lens correction profiles: - RF 24-240mm F4-6.3 IS USM - RF 24-105mm F4-7.1 IS STM - RF 14-35mm F4 L IS USM - RF 16mm F2.8 STM - RF-S 18-45mm f/4.5-6.3 IS STM - RF 24mm F1.8 MACRO IS STM - RF 15-30mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM 24-105mm f4L is not one of them.
Did the same, went back to R5 with the lenses. Whats wrong about digital corrections? Every manufacturer is using this solution, and i have no problems with that. The end result counts!
Hi Mitch, I love the photography community and how strong the views are and the passion, outstanding, as seen in the comments ! 👍 Honestly after almost 40 years with Nikon when I moved to digital Canon had the edge, but these days as somebody that’s done their share of weddings & events I’m pretty much of the view that any of the major systems would have more than enough capability in the camera and the available lens to exceed my ability to exploit them. Now more than ever the only limiting factor is the person taking the photo. The 24 is a pretty handy focal length which I guess is why many zooms start there although not so many (any ?) start at 1.8 !! Keep up the good work , I love how you RU-vidrs pull the pin and lob the opinion grenade out into the world 😄
I have a feeling Canon is assuming more people with the R7 and R10 will be using this lens which would make that corner performance moot as it is a cropped photo. Using this on a FF as long as you know its there its just a matter of composing the shot with a small crop in mind if the corners bother you that much. Video, as you said is where this lens is really going to shine. I will be using it for my talking head piece on my channel moving forward.
@@shahabh2108 yeah EXACTLY. Canon is basically sending users a big FU. I think that you can expect Canon to lose more and more shooters over the coming 2 or 3 years, unless they drastically change their CrippleHammer™ tactics, and stop being anti competitive with regards to 3rd party lenses for the RF mount. Deservedly so too. I have no pity for Canon, they dig their own grave, they can lie in it. Unfortunately, users like me, who are too heavily invested in Canon cannot really change marques, not without massive losses. I simply cannot afford those losses.
Nikon has the best 1.8 primes. Barely any focus breathing and great quality. Sony has some good ones as well then Panasonic and last Canon with the slow terrible stm motors.
One can only hope that Canon will eventually run out of STM motors. So please someone buy the current STM lenses, so we can get nano USM in Version II.
It’s a joke that Canon have such a poor coverage of RF primes this many years into their RF rollout. I also think it’s shady to not send their lenses out to reviewers (I assume you bought this yourself?).
yea it doesn't make sense how they are doing it. Why they dodnt do another primes like a f/2 at best but with more solid build, maybe weather sealed for around 750 euro each. Its funny with the 50mm primes, the one is 200 euro and the better one is 2750 in my country... like jeez, can you make something around 750 that's in the middle. Keep the same 1.8 on the cheap one but fix the build quality.
For my personal use case: indoor drumming videos it should be a perfect lens. Although I am not too happy about the pricing, so I will definitely not get it anytime soon. Thanks for keeping it real and not sugar coating your reviews!
The reason it appears sharper in corners than the Sigma Art are twofold: - with the RF, you're not actually looking at the corner, it's cropped (and horribly distorted). -The Sigma is an adapted EF lens so it has to "rear focus" the image a much greater distance due to the longer flange distance. This will make the corners much softer, especially on wider angle lenses. It's just physics. If Sigma were permitted to make native RF lenses with a closer rear element, this would change.
hey Mitch mate, would you be able to review this using an R7 body? I was planning to buy this tomorrow but after your review I feel like I need to hold on for now....I saw another video about 35mm on R7 it they're not 100% compatible as well, there are heaps of out of focus shots for some reason even the auto focus tracks the eye of the subject really well..
i found that when i used the rf 35 f1.8 and the rf 85 f2 on the EOS R, it didn't focus as well as the old ef usm lenses, ef 85 f1.8 usm more easy to focus. don't know is that canon still cannot handle the stm motor focus program or what?
Hey I'm R6 user, and I feel difficult to get any other third party prime lenses for RF mount. Why do they do this to their users? Marketing strategy for their users for not buying third party lenses at the most? I myself realize it when I'm looking for Zeiss Batis/Loxia even the Sigma for RF mount they aren't coming with 😄 and changed my mind to change my Canon R6 to Sony A7IV. Is that what Canon wants to? 😄
Thank you for making these videos and telling us these lenses are trash before we waste our hard earned money. I really appreciate that! 🙏 I was just about to buy it too!
I'm wondering if the focus speed is the byproduct of trying to quiet down the focusing noise. My RF 35mm 1.8 is audible with a shotgun microphone.🤔 Thanks for the timely review👍
Hi mate, thanks for your video! Im just getting my RP and i wanted to know better, because i don't know what to chose between the RF 24mm and 35mm. I'm an amateur just started... and i'm shooting only JPEG for myself. The thing about distortion it's pissing me off.. So how it's the distortion with the in-camera correction on? Are they there with the in-camera correction? Is it a great choice or should i go for the 35mm? Thanks!
I'm actually considering EF 24 1.4L II USM vs this RF 24 (Used 95% condition similar to brand new RF price). I'm torn in between the two. What do you think?
I have sell my RF 24 for the EF, if you want to just use it for landscape , street shoot, family, get the RF , if you are more interested in Portrait, Fashion, Group Photography, Wedding, Interior, Low Light Photography, get the EF it has the magical canon powder at f/1.4
The RF STM prime lenses all have slow video autofocus. The 35, the 24, and the 16. I have them all and they behave the same way in video autofocus. The RF zooms - those focus in video the way a lens should. I really wish Canon charged $50-100 bucks more for these lenses and gave us USM nano motors. It makes me want to continue using Sony for video.
@@onlysublime I own the RF 50 f1.2 and while the AF is faster than the STM series, it is bigger, heavier and the AF is slower than the Sony 50mm f1.2. The focus noise can drive me nuts and I don't like the front-focusing-design at all - but what do you do in a Canon system?
It looks like it has the same AF issues as RF 35 1.8. The AF is too slow to keep the focus on the subject moving back and forth. Even setting AF speed on maximum (in the R6) didn't help it much. Do you feel it's the same or RF35 do a better job? I used EF 24mm 2.8 IS USM for some time and I think it may be better than this new RF for video (except AF noise).
I think the issue I have with the Canon RF lenses (35, 85, & 24mm especially) is that they insist on adding macro capabilities to them which makes no sense whatsoever when they can just make a dedicated macro lens instead. It's like the worst of all worlds.
I just published my first review of this lens, I'm also on the GC :) Take a look, I took pictures at every aperture (1 stop intervals). It's def not perfect but it's heaps better than the 24-240 and 24-105 that I have and way sharper at the same apertures. the 24-240 especially doesnt even 'fit' my full frame sensor (I have the R5C) with black spots at the corners and the 24-105 same but less. I think with Canon you really don't get 'perfect' lenses unless you pay north of $2000... INSANE money. Btw, the autofocus in video mode at least (the R5C has a different video mode compared to your cameras because they use the Cine camera line video firmware) is worse than the 24-105/24-240 - despite the 24-105 also being an STM lens. It's twice as slow at least and doesn't always work as well well. I had times when it would track my eye but won't actually focus on it, like its in 'half MF mode' despite being in AF, restarting fixed it, and also sometimes it starts focusing wayyyyy in on something that doesn't exist and I have to use the ring to 'show it' where the focus should be. that happened today in Broadbiatch when I took a video of a drag show in cameleon lounge bar.
the focus lag is probably because of the macro .. when there is a very close subject the camera thinks you are going for a macro shot maybe some tweaking to the focus settings can prevent that ? thanks for the video
Hey there ! Awesome review ! I was wondering if there has been a firmware update in the past year and a half in order to correct the issue of the autofocus lag ?
This lens alone in 2022 shows Canon won't open up the mount to 3rd parties anytime soon! Ifthe mount was open Canon couldn't sell a unit of this poor optics and specially mechanics lens compared to sigma 24mm f2 dg dn!
Great video! All the videos I've watched about the new RF lenses are all from non third party reviewers so it's great to finally see someone talk about the lens independently! Would also love to see if you made a video on the RF 15-30mm f/4.5-6.3
What lenses do you recommend for R7? I got the rf 100 macro for product photography but what other lens should I consider getting? For everyday pics of family, scenic, travel
Great review Mitch! You should give a try to the Zeiss Distagon 25mm F2 (manual focus), if you have the chance. Very low distortion and great rendering of the images. Cheers!
There are patents for both of these by Canon. A patent does not always mean the product will hit the market but it's likely. According to rumors the RF 35mm F1.2 was set to launch this year but it was pushed into 2023.
I think slowly Canon is going to start losing more market share to Sony. Especially since they won’t open up the RF mount to third party support to keep us on the platform. By the time their 1.2 L’s are going to come out, Sony will be ready for a refresh of their GM’s. Either Canon has to nail them perfect or Sony will just do a refresh right after with something slightly sharper. I think Sony is playing defensive right now it’s a smart move, let the competition release their product and they can refresh right after to compete. All they need is 1 thing better to claim a more superior product.
I was hoping I’d find a comparison video of the Canon 24mm RF against the Sigma 24 Art! I currently use the Sigma as up until this canon it’s been the best value, high quality 24mm prime available for RF with the adapter. Thanks to your videos I also bought the amazing Tamron 35mm f1.4 a couple of years ago, still waiting on an RF 35 1.4 (or 1.2) that is as good or better, but for now I’m happy with my 35. A more in depth comparison with the Canon and Sigma 24mm (bokeh, detail etc) would be amazing, the Sigma 24 is by far my least sharp lens, but it has such a lovely character and a beautiful look at 1.4 for environmental portraits, and is smaller and lighter than most of my other primes, but this RF would be way smaller and lighter still, especially given I wouldn’t need an adapter, and awesome if it’s sharper!
@@correlation-vs-causation Their new R lenses might be better, I have no idea since I have never tried one, but their EF line of lenses seems rather pitiful to me. Thank you for a fine video.
for the life of me can't understand why people bash the raw file output when it has no bearing on what the corrected raw file looks like. You are shooting a DIGITAL camera, not a film camera. Digital corrections are a given.
Yeah that's a fair comment but the resulting raw file even after correcting has some crazy stretched corners as you can see in the video. Sure - it doesn't look TERRIBLE but for people who are doing high end real estate and billboards where corner sharpness matters to the client maybe seeing this helps them with their decision somewhat. I think also just in the spirit of laying it all out that people know all of the information before purchasing - for some people $600 is a year's worth of savings! Hope that helps.
@@MitchLally it's a tad pricey, but I appreciate that they can make these lenses not have dome glass, make them more compact or half macro and IS features, etc. And I think compared to older non L ef glass, these RF 'cheap' lenses are all superior.
Because these RF lenses are purely digital, they will never record to film(where you can't correct). This is why Canon can get away with correcting with software.Where the biggest tests lie is how do the different 'processors' handle their corrections. We have Canon's, LightRoom and Capture One's correction software. I wonder which one wins here?
Thanks for the honest review 🙏🏽 Am testing out the R5C now and seeing that Canon’s lens strategy with RF lenses is so weird! They only serve super duper high end or the very bottom end. Sony has much better options.
They will likely make something in between as well, the question is just when. Especially since they are blocking off third-party vendors that may fill that gap.
I’m honestly thinking of switching to Sony from Canon because of this. Both platforms are neck in neck when it comes to their bodies and features. The issue with canon is their lenses. Sony is currently updating and refreshing making GM II’s while canon still slowly making their base set. The new Sony 24-70 GMII is killer, with their 16-35 GMII replacement coming up next. Meanwhile it wouldn’t make sense for Canon to be refreshing any RF lenses to outperform the new Sony’s coming out because they don’t have the lineup complete yet. Sony seems to be one step ahead at the current moment. I just wish the A7iv didn’t have the 4k crop and that gives the R6 the one up for an all around hybrid.
@@tonygerassi1502 I feel what you’re saying. I’ve yet to sell off my Sony lenses (to completely switch to Canon). And though I really like the footage of the R5C, the lens options so far are either: old-ass autofocus huge DSLR EF lenses, or overpriced-heavy RF options.
@@jensfrankjakob if EF was any indiciarios they won’t for the majority of their lineup. “Middle ground” options will simply be older-generation L lenses down the road for the most part.
Just purchased the 24mm prime and it works great on my R6 & R7 for video. I run & gun so I'm all about portability, price & lightweight. ... It's not the gear, it's the photographer!
24mm autofocus is not audible on the canon r6 camera? If you shoot with the servo af turned on, do you hear the sound of the lens motors working on the video?
According to your comparison, I'd say this Sigma is a DISASTER (for shooting stills). Which doesn't surprise me at all - I am with Nikon (since 1980s), and, as far as it goes with third party glass makers, Sigma always was the worst for me. Up until now I tried many such lenses, and Tokina, Vivitar and Tamron proved to be, in general, much better than Sigma, in terms of quality vs pricing.
I own this lens for one week now. For the photography I did so far I just can tell you: I love it! But you are right: It should be priced identical to the RF35.
Mate I need some advice. I noticed you have an RP. I'm tossing up between that camera and the newer R10. Do you have expereince with the R10? If so i would love to know if the low light performance of the R10 is on par with the RP, and possibly the dynamic range too.
Your video using the 24 f1.8 lens on 5:42 looks better than the one you used for this video. What lens did you use to shoot your video when you're at the desk?
The problem with Sony is the tiny 46mm mount. Sony needs a new mount like Canon and Nikons 52mm. My current fav lens is the Samyang 10mm EF rectilinear. This lens cznnot work on the Sony mount due vignetting. The even the sony 12mm vignettes with ibis on. The Canon RF glass is sharp, and I can use 300 EF lenses on my R5. Sony does not offer what I need.- the Sony mount is just too small.
@@shahabh2108 ?? I think you meant, 'take your meds mate'. Physics. The Sonys 46mm flange size is too small for the lenses I use. The Canon 11-24mm f4, and the Samyang 10mm f3.5, both rectilinear lenses, will not work on Sonys 46mm flange without cutting the corners of the image.
@@nordic5490 Those are DSLR lenses. If you want to use a mirrorless system then uses a lens designed for that specific system. In this case you can use Sony GM 12-24 f2.8 which is the only one available in this range for a couple of years in any system sofar ( it's 2.8!) Or the laowa 11mm 4.5 But I still don't get what your comment has to do with this video!
I picked up the RF24 last week and I’m pretty satisfied with it. Also Canon is using the same roadmap as they did with the EF lenses back in 1986. They started out with affordable lenses in the beginning and introduced higher end lenses five to seven years later. They are ding the same thing with the RF mount.
Why do they do this to their users? Marketing strategy for their users for not buying third party lenses at the most? I myself realize it when I'm looking for Zeiss Batis/Loxia even the Sigma for RF mount they aren't coming with 😄 and changed my mind to change my Canon R6 to Sony A7IV. Is that what Canon wants to? 😄
Great news is it is at digidirect at $849 today. CoMpared to $999 a month ago at launch, $150 off so soon is pretty decent. I ordered one. To be honest, Samyang 24mm F1.8 on E mount is about the same price a bit sharper in corner and better at coma, but RF 24mm is not far off. Sigma 24ART is much more expensive.
Wow. What a piece of worthless garbage. I'm so disappointed in Canon lately. I purchased the RF 35mm 1.8 last Christmas and was so disappointed (slow noisy focus, protruding element, cheap) that I ended up with the sigma ART trio (35,50,85) and am completely tickled pink (adapted). Since Canon has decided that no third parties can make glass for RF, I'm done with them. Hey - did you know that I can send sigma my lenses and they change the mount to Sony-E? Neat! I'm doing that! Bye Canon with your inferior, expensive, proprietary system which is now completely anti-consumer.
Hello and thank you for this video. A few days ago I bought this RF 24mm f1.8 Macro is stm lens. I find this lens fantastic ! It is in my opinion much better than the RF 16mm that I had the opportunity to test and that I did not like at all! This new 24mm RF has very little distortion and very little purple fringing on high contrast ! On my Canon RP camera, for Landscapes and Street Photo, it will be a very good complement to my RF 50 f1.8 which I use for Portraits !... I can't wait for DxO to provide us with the RAW+JPEG Correction Profiles for use in DxO Photolab Friendships, Philgood...😜
You said prime. That is not an official quality prime. Canon has no RF primes at all in a f1.4 or f1.8. in my book It would have a red ring on a quality prime lens and the price would be much higher. If Canon would stop banning third party brands from making us primes, I would get one. Not sure if Canon is or ever will make an RF prime at f1.8 or faster.
@@MitchLally sorry...I am just frustrated with all those plastic lenses for my R6. If you dont go with the zooms, you cant get what I consider a quality prime lens. I have the RF 16mm f2,8. Junk like the rest in that line. The 24-105 f4 is not too bad a lens. I have one.
Having both Fuji and Leica cameras, I just got an almost new EOS R for an insane low price. I simply couldn't resists, since I still miss my old 6D. Also got at used RF 50mm 1.8. While the camera (and sensor) is fantastic, I simply don't understand the purpose of the new RF mount. All the lenses seems huge and bulky. As most test states, there are not that much better IQ on RF lenses either, compared to the EF mount or even smaller modern Sony mount. I still have some EF lenses from the past. But with that big adapter, it feels silly to put a EF 28mm or 100mm prime on the R. Why did they make this mount? And also read that pancake lenses will not be an option, because of the RF design....
To be fair I'm not really a fan of 24mm on FF anymore. No 24mm is really great and its a really difficult lens to create. Where I think the 24mm will be a bigger hit is on the R7 and R10 APS-C cameras where the 24mm will have a similar FOV to the 35mm on FF. Plus that should help eliminate most of those ugly corners. I have the 24-240 lens which has similar performance at 24mm and while far from great its ok for the few times I actually need t logo that wide. 35mm tends to be wide enough for me in most cases so this is likely one of the last lenses I would get unless I do pick up a APS-C backup body.
@@MitchLally ohhh my bad. I thought it was that old RP thing haha!! ✌️ Great vid man. I was excited for it, for wedding Dance floors but not so sure after watching this.
In theory yes, but I think it would be a bit too pricey for that audience. They probably will release a RF-S 22mm F2 or something (there are rumors) that will be more appealing for crop sensor bodies.
Why anyone would choose Canon over Sony in 22 is beyond me. Lenses and lens selection aren’t even comparable. Even the expensive RF primes have sluggish AF. Was surprised how slow the RF 50 1.2 was after using Sonys. And flat out banning 3rd party is mind boggling. Nikon took the better route with their 1.8s.
I’m leaning this way too as a long time Canon fan boy. Canon have autofocus game on lock and video specs / colours in their higher end cams but that’s about it and the downsides - expensive lenses and lack of options because of their need to keep other players off the mount annul those positives.
@@MitchLally I would usually say invest in the system and wait for the lenses….but that was years ago now. They’ve had time and shown they’re really going budget budget tier or second mortgage tier. With still no pro level 24/35. And not allowing tamron/sigma to at least fill the gap. Not to mention their sensors are still at least a generation behind, R3 was a huge step in the right direction tho. I love canon UI/UX but I just can’t deny the Sony ecosystem. May revisit in 3 or so years.
Canon will probably allow 3rd parties in to the system sooner than later. Nikon took 3 years to allow 3rd parties to license the mount and make lenses with AF. Canon, being the dominant one on the market, will probably take longer than that (the RF mount is 4 years old).
I'm not going to buy this lens for now. If Canon is dropping this lens's price within 5 years. I can see this lens will be much more popular. Digital correction is the future, whether we like it or not. That's how smartphones catching up with cameras. It should not be a surprise. IMO people in the comments who aren't patient for RF lens selection should just go for other systems, instead of complaining non stop/bash Canon. If there is enough people to do that. Canon will change their business strategy.
