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Canson Montval and Fabriano 1264 Watercolor Sketchbooks 

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A close look and comparison of Fabriano 1264 and Canson Montval watercolor papers - I wanted to compare mid-priced mid-range wood pulp papers for watercolor practice, casual painting, and watercolor studies, or painting for fun and expression in a portable art journal or sketchbook.
NOT SPONSORED: I have no relationship with Canson, Blick, Savoir-faire, Fabriano or any of the companies I might mention in this video, it's just my opinion on how these papers might serve the way I happen to paint . I bought these materials and was not supplied anything for this video.
I wanted to share my results because I know that a cotton paper is not a realistic study paper for a lot of watercolorists - it gets quite expensive. This said, it's true that for certain kinds of watercolor painting, it really is necessary to use cotton papers - and actually it winds up being less expensive than going through lots of sheets of wood pulp paper that simply won't ever give certain effects.
I do believe that a healthy practice includes scratch paper, study paper, paper that digitizes well, as well as archival, long-lasting cotton papers, and that there is no material in the world so good that it's as good as actual pressure-free practice.
I hope this is helpful, and I'd love to know if you've used either of these papers or have a preference yourself. I use a lot of XL for work that gets scanned and for illustration, and I'm thinking I may switch to the Montval for this kind of thing, as it gives the paint a little more of a toehold for layering.

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@riyanjinssi8264
@riyanjinssi8264 3 года назад
This kind of review is just what I needed in every art materials! Thank you for all the information. Hope to see more videos like this from you 😊
@dena-ann-adams
@dena-ann-adams 3 года назад
Awesome! Glad it helped. Any material in particular you are wondering about?
@biancamaego
@biancamaego Год назад
Here in Canada Montval costs me 17-18 bucks for a 20page 9x12 while fabriano is 13 bucks for 30 pages of 9x12
@tvdorian
@tvdorian 5 месяцев назад
if you dont want tape to tear away your paper, blow it up with a hair dryer on the hottest setting before. this will soften the glue and allow the tape to come off smoothly :)
@penpuncher
@penpuncher 3 года назад
Informative and not drawn out, was a pleasure to watch 👍
@dena-ann-adams
@dena-ann-adams 3 года назад
Thanks so much and I’m so glad you didn’t think it was overloaded!
@SilverSeaOT7
@SilverSeaOT7 3 года назад
Was trying to decide between the two. This was very helpful!
@dena-ann-adams
@dena-ann-adams 3 года назад
Thanks! I'm so happy it helped.
@Maricar624715
@Maricar624715 3 года назад
Me too, very helpful! Thanks
@jenniecrew6508
@jenniecrew6508 7 месяцев назад
Thank you so much for the fabulous tutorial. I have had similar observations regarding both brands. I bought Fabriano once, at Blicks (I was tempted by it being on sale)--and regretted having done so! I ended up using the paper only for color testing. Montval is exactly as you describe it.
@waltpierluissi2301
@waltpierluissi2301 2 года назад
I do prefer 100% Cotton by far, but for my practices I do like Montval Canson, I just purchase a 9x12 Fabriano 1264 to try it... I could let you all know how it goes once I tested.
@dena-ann-adams
@dena-ann-adams 2 года назад
That would be cool, I'd love to know other folks thoughts and experiences with it. Thank you!
@Mz.Winona
@Mz.Winona 2 года назад
@walt pierluissi how was your experience with Fabriano?
@waltpierluissi2301
@waltpierluissi2301 2 года назад
@@dena-ann-adams Actually I did test it... it is not bad for practice and play around with colors and practice your mixtures and ideas. And the best is the price, with the economy we are experiencing today, good price always help, and for practicing is a good choice.
@dena-ann-adams
@dena-ann-adams 2 года назад
@@waltpierluissi2301 Thank you for sharing your findings! It's always a personal preference at the end of the day and I can see this paper being a great option depending on your painting habits.
@ledachubatsu9869
@ledachubatsu9869 3 года назад
Great review! Clear and precise. Thank you.
@dena-ann-adams
@dena-ann-adams 3 года назад
Glad it was helpful!
@kerryklaassen
@kerryklaassen 2 года назад
An interesting review, and I learned a lot. I use the Fabriano 18 x 24" glue bound version of the cold-press watercolor paper for acrylic paintings. I spritz it with water and lay down a coat of gesso before beginning, then a layer of charcoal and/or graphite with an acrylic paint for the ground. My paintings frequently have at least 8 layers on them (including isolation layers of gloss medium over the entire surface), and the Fabriano holds up beautifully, with wiping wet paint and even sanding it when dry. After the initial layers, it lays flat. It is thirsty, which is why I use gesso and a base layer of acrylic paint before I start my regular layers. I use the back side of the paper which has less texture than the front.
@dena-ann-adams
@dena-ann-adams 2 года назад
Thanks so much for bringing this up - it's a good mixed media option and I switched it over to that process and it's a nice sketchbook for mixed media. Have you ever tried the Fab Studio hot press? It's like a smooth bristol but you can beat on it with water - really good stuff too.
@kerryklaassen
@kerryklaassen 2 года назад
@@dena-ann-adams I have not! I will check into that.
@gabriellaritaart
@gabriellaritaart 3 года назад
Interesting review. Thanks for sharing. I just bought an A4 spiral bound pad of Fabriano 1264. I'm planning on using it for watercolour pencils and water soluble graphite. The paper looked hard and durable enough for these media. I'm curious to see how it will do.
@dena-ann-adams
@dena-ann-adams 2 года назад
it's fun for lots of things, I don't mind it at all as a mixed media heavyweight.
@earthrooster1969
@earthrooster1969 Год назад
Thank you! Very useful. I think at my intermediate water color level, i am finding it so tough to get the results I want on these papers. I think they would be lovely for gouache, acrylics but as a person still learning the ropes of watercolor techniques, these papers will lead me to multiple level failures ...
@crystalgillis9296
@crystalgillis9296 2 года назад
Yes, it was very helpful, thanks! 😊
@dena-ann-adams
@dena-ann-adams 2 года назад
Thanks so much! Glad you got use out of it.❤️
@karent1717
@karent1717 3 года назад
Extremely helpful and practical review. Thanks
@dena-ann-adams
@dena-ann-adams 3 года назад
Thanks so much, glad it helped!
@Eliel7230
@Eliel7230 27 дней назад
A technique I use for taping my paper is to mark my boarders with a light pencil line first. Then I lightly rub some white wax to use as a base before applying the tape over it. When removing tape lift away gently. My success rate is 99/100, depending on thorough wax coverage.
@dena-ann-adams
@dena-ann-adams 25 дней назад
This is brilliant - thank you for sharing! Wax is the greatest stuff for a ton of things, and this is one I hadn't thought of!
@shellie.alamode
@shellie.alamode Год назад
I found your review after having trouble with some Fabriano 1264 paper - I wondered if it was just me doing something wrong. Glad to see I wasn't alone. I found it an exceptionally thirsty paper, drinking up water but never staying damp. But then I'd get more water on my brush and the paper would get these uneven splotches. Like you, I also wasn't a fan of the texture. It's interesting you said it's man-made texture, because it reminded me of some cheap kids watercolor paper I got from Kid Mad Modern at Target which had a "texture" that screamed of being artificially pressed in to seem "more like watercolor paper." Maybe I can find some other uses for what I have left.
@vatiammatri2660
@vatiammatri2660 Год назад
I use 1264 for swatching and mixing experiments with new palettes. I make sketchbooks out of my 9x12 Montvale, it suits well.
@vatiammatri
@vatiammatri Год назад
Thx! Using 1264 for watercolor sketch and swatching. Montvale for my travel sketch paper. This was helpful.
@dena-ann-adams
@dena-ann-adams Год назад
So glad it was useful for you, that sounds like a good set up!
@morrisonwatercolors
@morrisonwatercolors Год назад
Nice video. I have tried both papers and prefer Montval. But perhaps a closer comparison is Canson XL with Fabriano. Montval in my opinion is a definite step up. :)
@dena-ann-adams
@dena-ann-adams Год назад
That's a fair point - In my experience XL is so widely hated I figured I'm an outlier in finding it to be pretty OK as a baseline, my aim was to highlight supplies that may not have been as widely tried out. These are priced pretty closely and have the same formats. I'd still probably pick XL given the choice of that or 1264.
@Adoratek
@Adoratek 3 года назад
Thank you for the time you put into this. Very helpful.
@avawladar4223
@avawladar4223 3 года назад
This was so helpful thank you so much!!
@dena-ann-adams
@dena-ann-adams 3 года назад
Awesome, I'm glad it shed a little light on these options!
@lindsayjayne2169
@lindsayjayne2169 3 года назад
Thankyou, very helpful!
@dena-ann-adams
@dena-ann-adams 3 года назад
Thanks for watching and commenting, glad it helped
@nancyloomis3046
@nancyloomis3046 Год назад
Thanks for this...I've almost completed an abstract landscape using W&N Designer gouache on Fabriano 1264. I'm experiencing too much lifting and finding that very frustrating, but I'm dealing with it ok and I like the overall results. I typically paint with more traditional transparent & semi-transparent artist grade wc. I just thought I'd use my small W&N gouache set because I don't use it very much and the colors and quality are so good, that I wanted to give it some love. But that darn lifting. Plus I'm thinning the gouache out quite a bit. I think I'm gonna do another similar one on 100% cotton. I figure I'll have a lot easier time of it.
@dena-ann-adams
@dena-ann-adams Год назад
Thanks so much for your comment, this totally tracks with my experience too. I've recently revisited Fabriano Artistico, and I really do like that paper a ton, new sizing and all, so I know Fabriano can do it when they actually try.
@biancamaego
@biancamaego Год назад
Thanks!!
@huskytail
@huskytail Год назад
I am very curious what you think about the Fabriano Artistico. I really dislike it and you said something in this video about their 1264, which is also pretty valid in my opinion about the Artistico- it grabs. It grabs the brush, it grabs the water and pigment until saturated.. It's very thirsty and I never get smooth, beautiful washes on it. I was thinking about using the 1264 for pen and ink or gouache, we'll see when I finish my current sketchbooks.
@dena-ann-adams
@dena-ann-adams Год назад
I really like Artistico but I realize that I tend to use it for mixed media with a watercolor foundation or even pencil and wash (I love the CP with graphite drawing, but that's a me thing, it's too textured for more normal people lol) I agree that the working times are really short, I use it either wet on dry or for one or two layers of really abstract no-interference wet in wet at most.
@SamuelPerez-rs9hm
@SamuelPerez-rs9hm Год назад
El fabriano se comporta mejor ,el canson montval me desilusiono,tiene el puro nombre...
@AFAskygoddess
@AFAskygoddess Год назад
Face it, neither paper is well suited for watercolor art. I used it for a pen and wash class, which was fine. But I'd never spend time and effort on permanent artwork with paper that doesn't allow techniques that make watercolor so special. The paper pills if you just glance at it the wrong way 😂
@dena-ann-adams
@dena-ann-adams Год назад
Ansolutely - I can’t disagree with the reality that cotton is better than pulp for layered work that has flow. But I think that practice and sketching is the most important tool in our toolkit, just time messing around and messing up, and having only great paper that maxes your budget doesn’t encourage that kind of edge pushing play. I like finding that “least worst” workable baseline in paper even if I’m a Saunders Waterford person for finished stuff.
@AFAskygoddess
@AFAskygoddess Год назад
@@dena-ann-adams That's so funny! "LEAST WORST". I'm going to borrow that. 🤣
@MissNausicaa87
@MissNausicaa87 2 года назад
Very useful comparison, thanks!
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