The first ship of any class is named for the class itself. So: UEES Bengal, UEES Javelin, UEES Idris, UEES Pegasus, UEES Invincible, UEES Polaris, UEES Retribution.
@@jugganaut33The Germans also follow the nameship convention, they just have an issue of if shipyard contractors get a slipway first, then like in the Admiral Hipper class Heavy Cruisers, you get Blucher being laid down 3 months before Admiral Hipper herself was laid down. Its the same situation with the Tosa class, sometimes jokingly named the Kaga class because Kaga was laid down 6 months before Tosa was. That's why we call the nameship of the class, the nameship. She is the ship the class was named after, and not the first ship to be laid down.
I hope to see lots of heavy capital ship on capital ship battles in Squadron 42. Hopefully, the Retribution will fight it out with a pair of King Ships.
Really great video! Small correction - the Idris S10 Destroyer Mass Driver is produced by Klaus & Werner. Hurston Dynamics produces the S10 Exodus Beam weapon!
Since the Vanduul only seem to deploy their Kingships when victory is certain, I wonder if the UEE would need to keep the Retribution hidden somehow in order to actually engage a Kingship. Like make the Vanduul think you're defending the last jump point out of a system so the Retribution can ambush them. On the hand, given how the Vanduul seem to want greater and greater challenges, the Retribution could serve as a big Come On Out And Fight sign.
I suspect that when the Retribution appears later in the SQ 42 series, the UEE will be planning for the first case but accidentally get the second case instead
I remember reading that the Pegasus is capable of carrying two Retaliator bombers, described as being carried in an "underslung" fashion. Also the largest ship players will be able to control (that is not the very limited Bengal) will be battlecruisers, so cruisers with battleship sized guns. possibly the railguns, or maybe the previous generation of anti-capital ship guns. There are also mentions of players being able to acquire cruisers as well and talk of battleships that are decommissioned, though until official announcements are made some of this is just speculation.
The Retribution looks like a Macross ship lol. I love it! Indeed that looks like a giant rail gun on the front. If you scale up, the kinetic energy from a railgun that size could probably take out small nation, from orbit. Maybe more, depending on projectile mass and speed. Dear CIG: I need to know more lore about this retribution, pretty please! Lol Good video, as usual, Paul!😊
@@Mr.Universe The Retribution was built to combat the huge Vanduul Kingship, so it is referred to as the "Kingship Killer", but I do not recall a reference to killing planets on the lore page.
@@lunamaria1048Apparently the UEE has been doing planet killer super weapon tests in the Oden system if I remember correctly and it’s rumored that those tests have gone to the creation of this ship. I don’t see how a railgun that size would be necessary for destroying a planet though, as antimatter bombs are canon in lore which would likely be able to glass whole planets.
@@feariex The rumor is that the Retribution is based on an extinct alien super weapon that misfired on the aliens and cracked a planet in half, in the Haydes system. That has never been confirmed by CIG and is still just theory crafting and speculation lol. The lore page refers to it as the "Kingship killer". If I remember correctly, the UEE has tested a weapon somewhere that left a molten crater on a planet surface, or something like that, but there is no confirmation it was a test firing of the Retribution.
And knowing CR, the Retribution will show up in the background for a mission or two before the Vanduul whip out some sort of surprise and it gets popped like a balloon.
That does tend to be the way with good guy super weapons; they either get one good showing before being taken out, they don't even get that before being blown up, or the enemy shows up with an even bigger super weapon.
Love this content, you're really good at explaining and showcasing ships and lore, great video! Also I don't know how many other people would like to see this but i would love a video on the tactics of the UEE and other factions.
Idris is the most Battlestar Gallactica ship for me. I see it and I say "Frak". I have flown above a Bengal once and I couldn't comprehend the scale. A 400i was landing on it and looked like a fly. And I had no idea about the Dreadnought. Never knew it existed. All in all a beautiful video collating all the big guns of UEE.
Lovely video. Would have been nice if you had spent a few words on what constitutes a capital ship in the SC universe. As a historian, you probably know that there is some flexibility in the term. Personally, I find it a bit weird that something that is classified as a corvette would also be deemed a capital ship.
Generally speaking anything corvette and above is considered capital. Right now the devs consider anything with a size 4 component a capital ship but that may change which is why I didn't go into depth on that as it is more nebulous. If I end up redoing this as we get more solid information I'll remember to add that. I plan on doing one on sub-caps and fighters/bombers as well on the lead up to Squadron 42's release.
love it, we need some lore of battles of the wars something to get the war drums beating or do lore about what the duul did to Orion or Vega so that Humans will want to kill duul
Me and the boys love the video!! I personally own a Polaris and a Perseus and I love them both. I hope to meet you and other community members one day in the verse!!
Request: could you do videos on various cities in the SC universe? I know you have covered cities before especially in your 3 part series of the entire SC lore, but I’d love to just dive into the daily life and culture of the various cities within the verse. The wait for building interiors and for the landing zones to be expanded has been sooo long, would love some videos about the cities we’ll eventually explore in the meantime! As a scifi nerd I’m also a massive fan of futuristic cityscapes
The Retribution reminds me of the Colossus from Freespace 2. It wouldn't surprise me if it made some sort of appearance in similar fashion at some point.
I don't think people realise that the big capital ships are going to be running multiple missions at the same time. You might have a couple fighters doing bounties, while a drop ship is running bunkers, a cargo ship is bringing in supplies and the Idris will rendezvous with a Starfarer tanker to refuel, before doing a convoy escort mission. How else can you support a huge cap ship ?
I think the only ship that does not require much support is the Polaris. But I’m gonna guess that the Polaris role is part of a wolfpack hunting other capitals. A group should not have a problem crewing maybe 3-4 Polaris to hunt something like a Javelin
If I'm following correctly, the Idris has been in service for almost 500 years. To put that in perspective, our (the US') three-masted tall ships wouldn't even be halfway through their useful life yet.
Yes, though it has gone through redesigns every century or so, there are no Idris Class in service that are over 500 years old. There is an in lore reason for why these designs have been in service as long as they have, it has to do with the Messer Imperators and their blatant corruption with Aegis. Narratively it is also meant to mirror things like the B-52, F-15, and A-10 which all have been in service for 50+ years and are likely to remain in service for an additional 20 years. The Captain of the Stanton started his career on the same ship when it was first built in the late 29th century. This is similar to stories of 3 generations of US Air Force members serving on the same B-52.
Lore-wise, could another reason be the amount of relative peace the UEE has enjoyed since the Second Tevarin War ended in 2610? Is that even a correct statement? As I understand it (I'm a very new pupil so there are wide gaps in my knowledge), we've never had skirmishes with the Banu and the issues with the X'ian were mostly a cold war. Vanduul have been a thorn in our side, occasionally raiding since the 2600s, but to date, no outright war (which I assume is about to change once SQ42 arrives) so I was kind of assuming there simply hasn't been as much appetite politically for massive vehicles of war for several hundred years@@TheAstroHistorian
I understand all of the above ignores the fact that the UEE has other potential enemies besides just the sentient alien species humanity has discovered, and therefore has additional reasons to keep a ready military at all times, but all other needs the UEE has had for a military response seem _mostly_ related to smaller regional concerns, not large conflicts spanning multiple systems, and those smaller local concerns usually don't require massive armadas to respond (I assume). Until the events of SQ42, the Vanduul seem content to raid for resources, which is different than trying to eradicate another species, so I can see the human populace getting lulled into non-vigilance when the Vanduul have only been a problem three times since we first made contact several hundred years ago. When I say three times I'm referring to the loss of Orion, Caliban, and Operation Unilateral Force. If there have been other conflicts with the Vanduul, I'm unaware of them so far.
Idris is classified as a Frigate in the SC universe. Most Capital Ships have some form of capacity to launch and receive fighters. The Bengal is the carrier we have seen in the verse and it is much larger than the Jav.
What about the Liberator and the Kraken? And are there more dedicated carriers with better access to the landing pads than the "combined arms" capships?
Liberator is not a cap ship and the Kraken isn't in the service of the UEE Navy, the liberator might also not be a military ship as it is classified as a civilian ship in its initial release.
do you know why aegis never makes any new ships ? like new generation capital ships ? like is it mentioned somewhere in lore ? why they stick to Idris and nothing newer like RSI does ?
Basically the UEE doesn't want to do too much business with them anymore since they were so tied to the Messer era. The same reason in Star Wars new cannon that the New Republic scrapped the Star Destroyers they got a hold of rather than use them.
