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Yeah. "No witnesses!" And they film the whole thing...

@@reynaldolorenzo8409 I'm not the one "digging too hard." This is make-believe, sonny. Don't get your panties in a wad over fiction.

@@academyofshem his point was just that everything is easily fixed if we try to understand in another perspective. Understanding in another perspective is not that much mental gymnastics lol, not everyhting is a plothole.

@@jbonceu2457 When your plot is based on a security camera that is filming a random rural road in the MIDDLE OF NOWHERE back in 1991 before CCTV was really a thing on roads, well... It's all make believe. Don't sweat it.

@@academyofshem Wasnt Tonys parents on their way to or from a shield base? Howad had managed to recreate the super soldier serum or at the very least he was transporting it to one of their bases with the hopes of takling to shield officials about the super serums future. Honestly cant remeber how much of that is stated in the movie and how much is fan theories but i know i read it somewhere before or saw a video presenting this theory.

@Stran ger L comment

shame they ruined it by having it in trailer for the movie...

@@adamdolezalek9402 another L comment

@@jordanv6466 lol fax

It didn't me, because Tony only ever considered Cap a friend when he was trying to convince him of something. And he turned on Cap and all their beliefs in a heartbeat when it was either that or face up to the fact that HE and HE ALONE screwed up. That HE, Tony, needs adult supervision, not the Avengers as a team. Tony is an Asshat, pure and simple.

Wasn't the government man!!! Its a common misconception, It was the shield high council full of undercover Hydra guys... They explore that in the agents of shield show!!

well their idea is without the avengers there would be no need for the avengers which is a pretty fair way of looking at things, i mean thats a common moral throughout superhero movies in general, almost ever villain stems from the the branches formed in creating said superhero, it's supposed to be a dramatic take on things that happen in our world today with war machines.

@@sidicy Agents OF Shield it's not canon nothing it says in there is real

@@nadie7529 lmfao no Fiege has literally said it’s in the same continuity. Stop believing the click bait

@@sidicy You do realize that shield was PART OF THE GOVERNMENT right? Lmfao

It's kinda his fighting style, taking down the opponent mentally whilst physically fighting

@@masterofroblox687 literally lol, the only person who talks more than spiderman is deadpool. It’s like his nervous twitch

And none of Chadwick's costars or Marvel execs even knew about his cancer.

Chadwick was diagnosed with cancer in 2016; this movie was filmed in 2015. So Chadwick wasn't filming this movie during cancer treatment.

@@loganbigmo ok I stand corrected but he still would have had cancer before diagnosis and the pain that goes with it I know from experience from a family member so it still made him a hard ass.

Yes and also that's why I don't like how they shoe horned him. It's cool to watch Spider-Man in theMCU but Tony bringing a teenager after he felt remorse for the death of a teenager is just dumb.

That's the whole point of that line, it's when Tony starts to doubt.

It kind of also lets them mirror the comics a bit. In the comics version of this Spidey starts on Iron Man's squad, but then defects to Cap's because its what he really believes in.

Tony's side is so wrong even Tony disagrees with it.

@@SchulzEricT Tony is NOT the villain in this movie, he's the antagonist

I like it too, but this is easily one the Marvel movies that gets talked about the most. Most people pretty much consider it Avengers 2.5, so I'm not sure I get what you mean.

@@hdns4 certain scenes I feel aren’t appreciated enough is all. It is better than the comic tho

It's easily the 3rd best movie. Infinity war and Endgame are in tier 1 and I think Civil War and No way home are also in tier 1. Then tier 2 there is Avengers/Guardians/WinterSoldier/Black Panther/Ragnarok/Shang-Chi.

@@aaronboone8097 Nah 1. Infinity War 2. Spider-Man NWH 3. Captain America: The Winter Soldier 4. the Avengers 4. Iron Man 1 5. Guardians of the Galaxy 6. Avengers: Endgame (a huge favorite of mine but still isn’t top 5) 7. Thor: Ragnarok 8. Spider-Man: Homecoming 9. Captain America: Civil War 10. Captain America: The First Avenger 11. Black Panther 12. Doctor Strange I haven’t seen Shang-Chi so I can’t rate it but I hear it’s like Black Panther tier. This is my list for best MCU movies, I might have missed one but that’s pretty much how I would rate the top 12.

@@Brandon-br7tc Doctor Strange movie is much better than Black Panther, GOTG and Thor Ragnarok imo

Well, the truth wasnt OBVIOUS per sae. Anybody in hydra could have killed the Starks. Just because it was PROBABLY Bucky doesnt mean that Steve had the proof that it was him. The only thing that was obvious was Hydra's connection to the Starks death which was hinted at in Winter Soldier. This is what Cap knew. So when Cap said "I didn't *it was him*" he isn't lying, but he did know of course that the Starks' deaths were no accident which is why he replies "Yes"

Steve was a bully throughout his whole time in the MCU

@@insertnamehere2746 then why when stark asked did he said “yes” why didn’t he say “anyone in hydra could have killed the starks, just because it was probably Bucky doesn’t mean I had the proof” Because he knew and you get told he knew, not suspected.

@@Daltwan_Kenobi lmfao you're calling steve a bully when iron man is the literal fucking poster boy for bullies 😂

@@Daltwan_Kenobi He said yes because asked him if he KNEW that his parents got killed, to which Cap DID KNOW. Cap DID NOT KNOW it was Bucky

Have you ever bumped into him or seen him across the street or something?

@@DarkPaladin24 no, but his parents were honored at his old high school not too long ago. truly nice people

@@shadowfire_08 he was definitely the kind of guy I would have love to meet.

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Some of us move.

i fuckin died lmao

Loved that line. She's a champ.

Funny enough, the directors of this movie the Russo Bros are from Ohio lmao

The disrespect to my state😭 lucky me I'm planning a move to Virginia Beach anyways

Especially since the avengers don't make a collective decision. The fact that everyone has a different opinion on it and it spreads to all the other movies is just amazing.

One other aspect that l loke about behind the scenes of Civilwar was that they had 2 scripts, one with spiderman added and the other one without him in it because when working on Civilwar war they were right in the middle of the deal with sony and marvel studio.

We knew who killed Tony’s parents long before this movie

For me, the heart of the conflict was what always interested me about this movie. Should the Avengers be held accountable? I think they should hold themselves accountable and that trusting a government with constantly changing agendas and the potential lives missed because of government dependence is too much a risk. Cap was betrayed by the government in WS so it makes sense why he wouldn't sign the Sokovia Accords

Not a good reaction she even don't know black panther 😂

He's such an amazing villain bruh. The plan is just incredible.

A simple man wanting justice for his family , tore down the what the big villains could not.

I'm not even sure you could strictly call him a "villain". "Anti-hero", maybe. He's using extreme but arguably necessary measures (and, moreover, measures made necessary by the Avengers' own refusal to submit to accountability from the people they effectively rule) to destroy the threat that killed his family so it can't harm others. Wouldn't take much to make him at least the protagonist of the piece.

As does the logo. It represents the evolution of Marvel Studios.

Ikr! I personally really love that he's actually young and we watch him as a character grow up over more than just one movie.

She hurt my poor Ohio heart.

This hurt my poor Michigander heart

MCU kind of still does that. Aliens attack NY and 80 people die? Mkay.

Actually it's opposite. It took this many films for MCU to finally talk about it. While Dceu made this their central conflict after the first film. Incredibles had this as one of their main plot point and X-Men Universe is vaguely about this

Actually it's opposite. It took this many films for MCU to finally talk about it. While Dceu made this their central conflict after the first film. Incredibles had this as one of their main plot point and X-Men Universe is vaguely about this

@@aaxyz9990 That's true but even with it at the center of DC's themes, their films are fundamentally flawed. Wonder Woman and Aquaman in particular have awful arcs and their characters don't undergo any meaningful change. I'd say Amazon's the Boys does a better job at making social commentary on collateral damage better than any other existing comic book franchise.

@@mowgli6345 this was never about which films have better arcs and which are better. MCU is clearly ahead. Just saying what you said in the first comment is wrong

The de-ageing in MCU films is generally good but for me the scale goes K. Russell

@@snowdenwyatt6276 Sam Jackson in Capain Marvel?

@@VColossalV I knew I was forgetting someone. Visually - almost as good as Molina & Dafoe. Whenever he had to move with alacrity - obviously 70 years old. See also DeNiro in The Irishman

@@snowdenwyatt6276 Also Sir Anthony Hopkins in the first Thor movie, the scene when he has the missing eye and the scene when he was with a young Loki and Thor.

SAME

Agreed. It is probably my favorite MCU film. Great story, great cameos, and heartbreaking ending.

It’s my fav also.

What are your top mcu films? Mine are 1-cap America the winter soldier (since 2014) 2-gotg vol 1 3-spiderman homecoming 4-shang-chi 5-black panther (had a good script and killmonger)

@@bashengatheblackmanta7003 1. Civil War 2. No Way Home 3. Endgame 4. Infinity War 5. Winter Soldier 6. GOTG 7. Shang-Chi

If you're talking about wandavision then she's a sociopathic villain. I wouldn't call that better.

@@edenarchive4150 honestly I don’t know how people love her so much after the things she has done

@@edenarchive4150 better, more interesting. The story of how someone becomes a villain can be fascinating, and hers is brilliantly done

@@edenarchive4150 Her story and her character are separate things so I don't know what your point is supposed to be.

@@osang4599 Because she's a good character.

And a bit closer to the civil war comics!! would have made Cap's position wayy stronger!! The movie has weak reasoning for Cap's problems with the accords which is why they have the whole bucky killed tony's parents gambit here to justify the rivalry a bit more!! I love the Russo brother's but i feel like this was a missed opportunity

There's a few films that should be two or even three films. Civil War and Gorr The God Butcher/The Mighty Thor come to kind.

That's why Cap it's the leader, to oversight the Avengers and the new people that might come. Whatever they want? They're there for a reason. The Accords don't stop the murder and chaos, just validate the actions making the saving process WAY slower, do you remember how in the movie Tony said "Sign this and we would validate the 24 hrs prior"? We already watch how much good they did and it's like pretending police don't fuck up sometimes. Even while the directors tried to balance the ideals, Cap is clearly on the right.

Tony is right about HIM needing oversight, not the Avengers. After all Ultron and Sokovia was his fault and he did it behind everyone's back (except Bruce)

@@OsSas3 yeah but it's about the principle. + if they do it act illegally, nothing really distinguish them from the bad guys. but the accords aren't great either, which is basically the point of the movie and what makes it good. like, there is no team especially wrong or right

@@illyana3537 Act illegally doing what? Hurting innocent people? Trying to take over the world? They're the answer to the villains, I don't understand that logic, they're clearly different from the bad guys

@@SchulzEricT Exactly. Tony is driven exclusively by guilt and PTSD. He doesn't want to find the best moral solution, he just wants to feel better, so he decides someone else can be in charge of his decisions, so when it goes wrong in the future, then he can blame them rather than himself. He's a coward.

Well to be fair she had the entire sky to work with. She could have directed it somewhere else than into the side of the building. In the end it *is* her fault that it exploded where it ultimately did 🤷‍♂️

@@vashsunglasses Exactly. It was an accident in the end of the day.

@@Morten_Storvik You think she purposely aimed for the building? The power of the explosion overwhelmed her before she could get it all the way up to the sky, but her intent was clearly to get it high enough out of range that it wouldn't hurt anyone. Putting the blame on her for the destruction instead of Rumlow - and ignoring all the lives she saved on the ground - is like blaming the captain of a sinking ship for failing to evacuate every soul on board instead of blaming the ship that fired the torpedo.

@@vashsunglasses He literally said he didn't trust her not to cause another "accident." And that her being there was more for the public's safety than her own.

@@EmphaticNod Does not change the fact that the people in the building died because of *her* and that there where plenty of options to avoid it. If that captain had options that would have saved everyone on board and they did not, then he/she is at fault for those people dying 🤷‍♂️

And Hulk v Abomination

The "You move" speech gives me goosebumps because it covers so much of Cap's character. As big and iconic as he is and as a symbol of America he is, he's our country's ideals and not its government. Giving people a voice and having us stand up for what we believe in. The way Cap brings out the best in people is what makes him so great. Once a scrawny man whose greatest strength is his character. A hero from the past whose ideals transcend its time

The way I see it is Tony realizes he was in the wrong, so he doesn't trust himself to be left on his own. (Also his Pepper trouble is a factor)

you forget, ultron was in like start up testing phase, when he suddenly came into being. Tony was running simulations, he told jarvis let me know when one works/done, and when one miraculously worked. jarvis got taken out.

Which is exactly why he is being like this in the movie. He takes responsibility and knows that he needs some form of oversight. Remember that its exactly tha freedom that accidentally created the monster that was Ultron.

It is not all Tony's fault. There was more going on than Tony creating Ultron. The movie literally spells it out.

Tony has a habit of overreacting and over correcting in the opposite direction. A lot of his worst decisions stem from him being very reactionary and volatile.

Bucky is exactly what the Accords seek to turn the Avengers into. And the pro-Accords forces spend the entire movie trying to murder him for it. While the anti-Accords "outlaws" try to protect Bucky from summary execution justified solely by suspicion.

@@flatebo1 Exactly! Personally, I thought having Secretary Ross-who was a whole-ass villain in a previous movie-pushing the Accords should have been a flashing red warning to viewers from the very moment they're suggested, but I guess some people have short memories.

@@noodle_fc As I've noted elsewhere (in this thread, I think) Thunderbolt Ross is the embodiment of the US military as a supervillain. And Iron Man is the embodiment of US military tech as a superhero. Seems a bit odd that Stark, who told the US government to get stuffed in IM2 when they wanted to nationalize his Iron Man tech, would be willing to turn over all of his Iron Man stuff to the frickin' UN. And the whole "Well, if we sign we'll have leverage to change the rules to something more manageable4" is simply delusional. If you sign, you throw away your only leverage. Then they take your toys and give them to someone more compliant if you get uppity.

@@flatebo1 See, I don't think that's odd. From the very first MCU movie, Tony's development has been from someone who doesn't give a shit to someone who tries to do the right thing. But part of doing the right thing is dealing with mistakes. At the beginning of Iron Man 2, Tony hasn't made any serious mistakes (acting as Iron Man) yet. This movie is constructed incredibly well. First thing that happens: Cap, Sam, Wanda (and Nat) use their powers to avert a terrible outcome, but something goes wrong and innocents die. Later, Cap tells Wanda yeah, that sucks, but you live with it, you save who you can, when you can. Next thing: Tony has guilt and regret about his last interaction with his parents. Charlie's mom blames him for Ultron and Sokovia, and he carries guilt for that, too. He wants a way out from under that guilt, something that feels better than the advice Wanda got, i.e., make the best decision you can, then make peace with both the good and bad consequences. As Steve says of the accords, "this document just shifts the blame" (from them to whomever tells them what to do). That is _exactly_ why it appeals to Tony. He doesn't want to feel guilt over whatever might go wrong the next time the Avengers act.

@@noodle_fc This is 100% correct. Tony doesn't want the Accords because he morally believes they are the right idea. He just wants to be able to feel better and have someone to blame for the next fuck up, rather than himself.

both sides make a lot of sense, but i would have to be on iron man's side, he's so much better than captain america

both sides have their points, yes tony's we have to be put in check, people died when we were out there kicking ass etc. But also steve's safest hands are our own. if we sign We give up our right to choose, since we'll only go when and if the U.N. Says we can go.

The comics was bad...the movie is so much better

@@diannajennings266 you did not just say that… the comic event Civil War is 1000 times better than the movie

best part was when thor came back and showed tony how insignificant his suit is compared to real power lol whenever they had skirmished before he had held back so so so much lol

Steve didn't know that a brainwashed Bucky had killed the Starks. All he knows is that at some point Hydra was involved in their deaths. They could've just cut a brake line, or done one of a billion different things.

Flex time, lol. I love the strange smirk that TWS has as he watches. Then, of course, he crashes the copter and tries to chop the Cap up, lol.

I'll just take out Spider-Man and give more time for the internal conflict, it's just ilogical for Tony to bring him to battle.

But it was their destruction that caused his death, they may have stopped Ultron but at the cost of countless lives including her son and Zemo’s family and imo their insults/revenge was completely justified

@@quietdemon8138 Had they not stopped Ultron, all of humanity would have been exterminated. So, no, their insults/revenge was wholly unjustified because it is wholly misplaced. Ultron is responsible for the destruction in Sokovia. Ultron chose Sokovia as the location for his planet-killer meteor. None of the Avengers did. On the other hand, Stark is responsible for Ultron. But only Stark. Absent his reckless meddling with the Mind Stone, Ultron would not have existed. But that no more makes Stark responsible for Ultron's actions/choices than a parent is responsible for the actions/choices of their adult offspring. Every single example of the destruction "caused" by the Avengers is an example of the Avengers trying to limit the destruction others, notably the various villains, are trying to cause. When trying to stop another from committing an atrocity, you do not become responsible for the damage they succeed in causing. And it's especially galling that Ross brings up the invasion of NYC when the World Security Council (i.e. HYDRA) tried to end the invasion by *nuking* *New* *York*.

@@flatebo1 you do realize this is several governments that want to impose their will on a group of good people. This isn't a rational decision it's an attempt to force the avengers under their boot.

@@devinsteele2424 It's the majority of world governments that want to impose their will upon a group of people through the UN. Y'know, the UN doesn't have its own military. They rely on member countries sending military forces to work under the UN banner. The Accords would give the UN a small army of superpowered people under the UN's sole authority. An UN army which, through the Hulk alone, would outclass pretty much every military in the world. (It's especially hilarious given that, in IM2, Stark basically told the US government to get fucked when *they* tried to nationalize his Iron Man tech. And he's just going to turn over complete control to the UN?) Considering the kind of extremely criminal conduct that the UN has historically engaged in, and further considering that the UN leadership is quite often rather hostile to the US, giving the UN complete authority over all superpeople everywhere on Earth - including Thor, the prince and heir apparent of an alien race of gods - is about the single stupidest thing anyone could possibly propose. We're supposed to trust an organization whose president in the 1970s was literally a former Nazi (and likely HYDRA in the MCU)? No. If the Avengers violated any law, charge them under existing legislation. Even the incident which kicks off the action in Civil War did not result in anyone anywhere bringing charges against Wanda - despite the biased narrative that *she*, not Rumlow, was the one responsible for the Wakandan Embassy deaths. I'd also point out that, under the Accords, Wakanda would become the property of the UN. The entire nations is stuffed full of super-tech and a super-metal - vibranium. If the Accords places Falcon (a US ex-soldier using US military tech) under the authority of the UN, then it also places all of Wakanda under the control of the UN. Wakanda would have signed away its sovereignty, and placed T"challa specifically completely under the UN's authority.

@@flatebo1 I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just pointing out something you didn't say in your comment. I think it's very realistic in how it depicts an irrational decision making process that has no clear answer. You can only pick the lesser of 2 evils in some situations.

The most elaborate, batshit plan

Also responsible for Abomination and (if they ever get around to it) the Leader.

Well technically she *was* right. It was Tony`s fault that her son died. It was his fault that Ultron came to be and he failed to protect her son from that mess that he created.

@@Morten_Storvik but does she even know about Tony making ultron? Genuinely not sure if that was public knowledge and even if she does then there should have been a line acknowledging he was fixing a problem he created or something like that cause the way it is in the movie she's basically blaming him for her son dying by doing something he had to do to save everyone and with Tony's line of "We dropped a building on him while we were kicking ass" it's like the movie agrees with her which is just weird to me lol

@@55titles12 Well the entire point of the movie is that people die because of the heroes as well as the villains. Including those they are supposed to protect. Which usually gets glossed over.

@@Morten_Storvik I know that's the point even though it's a pretty silly one cause ofcourse that's going to happen in the circumstances there's literally no avoiding that lol my point was destroying sokovia was obviously not wrong it was making ultron but the movie kinda treats it like destroying sokovia was wrong

@@55titles12 The entire event of Sokovia was wrong and the whole reason it happened was because of the Avengers in the first place.

Holy fuck, i did not even consider that. An angry tony making ultron? That ultron would have killed everything just like in What If. Thank god cap didnt tell him that.

Even when his perspective is fundamentally wrong, he gave free will to people who are overall too dangerous, both WandaVision and Falcon & Winter Soldier proved that, Wanda has no idea or true control over how powerful she really is and the consequences of that will most likely be definitively shown in Multiverse of Madness, Bucky is a great character and Sebastian plays him awesomely but in this movie I personally was on Tony’s side the whole time

@@quietdemon8138 Define "fundamentally wrong". I'm pretty sure you and I would disagree. I was on Cap's side the entire time. Furthermore, he is eventually proven to be right in most things.

@@gsh341 that person literally just explained to you how Cap was wrong lmao

@@did3184 No, he said he was on Tony's side, but having atched all the movies, Tony is proven to be wrong on signing the Sokovia Accords. He has justifiable reasons for signing them, but in the end of "Civil War" ven h ends up violating the Accords. As for Steve, he and the Avengers were told by people in authority to stand don or do as they were told many times, but they defined the authorities and prevented several bad decisions. Abandoning the 107th to Hyda Nuking New York Stopping Shield from being taken over by Hydra Arresting Bucky for a crime he didn't commit Even Tony did the right thing in Iron Man when he saved the people in Gulmira because nobody else would. Time and time again Steve is proven to be right in not trusting people in authority to make decisions that violate his personal code of ethics. Yes, Sokovia was a tragedy, but it was either stop Ultron or let he entire human race die. Which would you chose if you had to make the choice? In h beginning of Civil War the Avengers are trying to stop Hydra from getting a biological weapon. They succeed, but some Wakandan humanitarian workers are accidentally killed because Rumlow blows himself up. Are you saying Wanda was negligent because she couldn't stop a suicide bomber hat would have killed millions if he could? As I said, Steve is repeatedly proven right that trusting in authority to do the right thing. As for Tony, he just wants to salve his conscience by letting someone else take responsibility.

@@gsh341 bro you said “define fundamentally wrong” and I just told you that he literally explained it, I’m not taking either side I think they were both right and had their own reasons, you didn’t have to write a whole bible lmao

Does not change the fact that its their fault that those people died. And that there were ways to prevent it.

I'm more annoyed that the only mention that Ross gets in their discussion was Rhodey mentioning him winning the Medal of Honor and not the fact that he spent 3 years chasing Banner around the world because he wanted to learn how to recreate the Hulk so that he could weaponize it.

@@leroy1154 Yeah, they should have thrown that in his face when he claimed they would retire if they did not sign.

He and Rogers are rivals so he needed to compete with America’s ass.

The point is that people die because of the heroes as well as the villains. People died in all those cases because of the Avengers as well. And no matter which way we cut it, it was still Wanda`s fault that those people died. And Ultron was a result of the best intentions possible, and oversight would have prevented that mishap. Prime example which proves the entire point. Which is why Tony is so adamant about it despite dealing with his *very* justified fears of potential threaths. And then there is the idea of the Avengers going rogue. Its no different from Batman having contingency plans for both himself and the rest of the Justice League. It would be batshit insane not to , no pun intended. Tony is not wrong. You cant fault him from actually learning from his mistakes.

You're leaving how the rest of the world responded out of the equation. Tony made mistakes, and he never should have brought Peter in, but at this point what had happened happened and he was doing what he thought was the best outcome for the situation they're in. Who was directly responsible for the Battle of New York, DC, and Sokovia is only part of the whole. The moment the Avengers enter the battle, they're also responsible for what happens within that battle. I empathize and agree with Steve that the safest hands are still the Avengers. We know that because we've followed them and, for all intents and purposes, personally know them. The rest of the world doesn't, and whether anyone likes it or not bureaucracy and politics exist, and the Avengers have to fall in line with that to some degree to belong in the world as it is. Like Natasha said, at least through the Accords, they still have one hand on the wheel. I think that the Avengers are able to put forward amendments to it as well. Also, I have no idea how you're getting Tony turning Wanda into a scapegoat.

Actually Tony didn't break the law with Peter. If I remember the Accords correctly, they had provisions where they could pretty much force any super-powered individual into service however those running the show saw fit.

​@@Morten_Storvik Wanda's actions caused the deaths of a number of people, but saying it was her fault because she should have done X or Y, something which you can point out because you have both time and hinsight, something she had neither of at that split second is unfair. As for the notion that oversight would have prevent the creation of Ultron, that's just plain stupid. This movie proves it wouldn't have. Stark finds evidence that proves Bucky was innocent and that Cap may actually be onto something that's a more significant threat and takes this all to Ross, Ross says no, so Stark ignores him to go and help Cap and Bucky. Stark isn't learning from his mistakes, he's just trying to shift blame and responsibility off of himself so that he doesn't feel guilty about all the bad and stupid shit he does. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but Batman's contingency plans for if he goes Rogue was that the Justice League would stop him, right? That's beyond stupid. If Batman has contingencies for all the other League members, contingencies that could be lethal, then how exactly would the League be able to stop him if he goes rogue? If they can overcome the contingencies then they were useless in the first place.

Honestly if anything Wanda didn't need to blame Tony. The man she needs to blame was put 6 feet under by Tony. If anything Tony killed the man that put her in such a way

Wanda literally was just a part of blowing up part of a building that caused a lot of deaths, so yes they are Dangerous

@@ju12thdr and stark was responsible for the deaths of hundreds and sparked a vendetta by Zemo who killed dozens more in retaliation. yet, wanda was jailed and stark was allowed to be free for selling out this teammates.

@@normlee6566 technically wanda is responsible for ultron.

@@ragasayad5103 what? Did you actually watch the movie? Stark created the ultron protocol software (stark's so-called, peacekeeping idea) with banner and as a result, lost control of the mind stone. Further, it was stark's munitions that nearly killed wanda and her brother which led to their hatred of stark and contributed to their decision to join ultron. And it was stark's personality that was used as a template for ultron's personality which included an inability to distinguish the difference between saving the world and destroying it (and there was the little manner of stark calling ultron, "son" ) All roads lead to stark.

And let's not forget that despite being friends with Bruce Banner, who told him enough about himself for Tony to name the Hulkbuster Veronica, Tony was more then happy to jump into bed with the guy that chased Banner around the world for 3 years trying to figure out how to weaponize the Hulk... which Stark kinda already knew given the Incredible Hulk mid-credit scene.

Tbh I put blame on him and Wanda. He was ultimately gonna shelve the Ultron initiative, but Wanda brought his PTSD back to full effect pushing him into "making" Ultron. Thing is Ultron wasn't made ultimately by Tony. Ultron made himself, looked at the Internet and decided we all got to go. Tony gets some of the blame but ultimately it ain't all his fault