If you think about it, Cap choosing the side against the government was the most American and patriotic thing he could have done, because the entire point of our system is to not let the government completely control us.
@@cosas_de_gatos Yeah my point is Cap was being quite unreasonable and unpatriotic. Because without regulating those guys, events like the one's in Wandavision are prone to happen even though that could have been avoided. So if he wanted to help his country, he could have put his cute ideals aside and listened.
@@M_k-zi3tn yeah. I think both sides had flaws, which is why I can’t pick one. I definitely sympathize with iron man more, I was just pointing out that it’s actually very American of Cap lol. Whether that’s a good or bad thing
@@M_k-zi3tnthat vortex was gonna happen anyways lol u think the government can stand a chance against the Scarlet Witch? They even tried to handle it but they failed, proving Tony was wrong. Signing that paper is giving up their freedom, which is the #1 privilege us Americans have. It's very unrealistic that powerful heroes fighting powerful villains would end cleanliness. Saving the world >> having a couple of ppl die & go homeless, it's harsh but it's the facts. And I was sympathetic for Tony too, but he's gotta realize its Hydras fault not Buckys, if anything he should be going ham on Hydra. Cap was right, there's a reason why it's named Captain America civil war.
Even without the suit, Tchalla has enhanced physical abilities because of the heart shaped herb. He's basically a super soldier himself. The vibranium suit basically just makes him bullet proof along with a few other capabilities
Wolverine in the movies might not be that skilled but the comics are a total different story. He fought in every war since the us civil war he’s mastered swordsmanship martial arts and he even trained the widows in the red room as children.
Y’all know captain America and wolverine were together in ww 2 and wolverine lived more and fought more wars and I’m pretty sure they’re strength are close
Ill just say it now, Wolverine is a whole ass samurai in the comics and hes got over a hundred years of fighting experience. Cap vs wolverine would be a close fight but its definitely not a one sided match
Cap is likely a better fighter than Wolverine, but what can Cap do with an opponent who has unbreakable bones, can't really be knocked out or killed, doesn't get tired and heals in seconds from injury? Cap can only win if he's using the terrain somehow (like knocking Wolverine off a plane, off a cliff or into a volcano).
Cap and Wolverine are about the same in terms of strength and speed. Cap maybe a bit faster but it would be amazing to see them fight on the big screen.
Lmaooo Rob fr has no comic book knowledge, terrible take after terrible take throughout the entire movie. ‘’Black Widow, Captain America, and Winter Soldier can whoop Spider-Man’s ass’’ ‘’Wolverine has no fighting skill’’ ‘’Captain America and Winter Soldier can whoop Black Panther and Iron Man’s ass’’. First off Rob you’re the one that’s highly overestimating how strong Cap is and downplaying how strong Spidey, Iron Man, and Black Panther are. The Heart-Shape Herb is literally equivalent to the Super-Soldier Serum, so T’Challa is also technically a ‘’super soldier’’. That’s why he was able to piece up Bucky without the suit. T’Challa and Steve are both equal in physical stats with T’Challa edging Steve out in fighting skill and that’s without the Vibranium suit which makes him bulletproof and can withstand impact easily. Steve only edges T’Challa in experience due to his age but in an actual 1v1 fight with both of them fighting without any assistance, T’Challa beats Steve after a tough fight. Spider-Man is way stronger than Captain America, Black Panther, and Winter Soldier even when he’s holding back. That should be common knowledge to anyone that knows Marvel. Spidey is the one that’s OP for a street tier hero, not Cap. This version of Spidey only had six months of training and he easily embarrassed both Falcon and Winter Soldier lol. He’s way stronger than a super soldier, he’s just way less experienced since he’s a teenager. Also Wolverine has both martial arts training, he’s actually considered to be a top tier martial arts fighter in Marvel, and he’s even older than Captain America due to his healing factor making him not age, so he’s more experienced than Captain America, he too beats Captain America in a fight. This is easily one of the best MCU movies especially since they added both Spider-Man and Black Panther to the MCU verse, but man this reaction really showcased that Rob has no knowledge when it comes to Marvel characters. Mans fr said that Spider-Man would lose to Black Widow in a fight, and that T’Challa can’t keep up with either Bucky or Steve in a fight, when the herb alone gives him the strength equivalent to a super soldier. Y’all already watched and reacted to both Black Panther 1 and 2, so y’all should know that.
Haven't read all of what you wrote.. but I'm agreeing just off the first sentence 😂😂😂 - Also it seems hella weird they claim to have never "seen" any of these movies before 😅
@@intothefrayyothey never said that they saw winter soldier iron man civil war infinity war and endgame it’s the other lesser known movies they haven’t seen
About the wolverine thing he can fight he’s one of the most skilled hand to hand care combatants en the marvel universe is just that I’m the movies they put more as brawler that relies on his healing factor but in the comics he fights with the most skilled fighters head to head
@@jermainejohnson1657 even if he is it doesn’t make a difference, wolverine literally cant die, so theyd end up fighting for so long that eventually wolverine would just win
Wolverine is multiple forms of martial arts, including being a master of ninjutsu, and he 's also a ronin (samurai w/ no master). Cap is a brawler from Brooklyn NY. In the comics, after Cap thawed out, Shield had Wolverine "train" Cap in different forms of MMA to update Cap so he wouldn't get f'd up. Cap could never take son Wolverine period. Cap can't beat Sabertooth or X23, for that matter. Wolverine trained Cap BC they served together (w/Sabertooth) during WW2. Wolverine and sabertooth were supposed to be in there when Cap was fighting the Nazi regime in his "the first Avenger" movie, but they didn't get the rights from Sony for the X-MEN at that time...
They just said wolverine can’t pick up a car😂😂😂 between cap and wolverine if you put them against the same roster I bet wolverine would get farther then cap
yeah but Captain America's training comes from fighting World War 2. Wolverine trained to fight World War 1, World War 2, the American Civil War, he trained as a samurai in Japan, he trained in the Danger Room , enhanced strength and Reflexes, Wolverine is washing Captain America no joke.
My favorite part about this movie is how much people debate both sides. Its so good. Both sides and be right and wrong. There is no clear right answer. THAT BEING SAID.... TEAM CAP FOREVER!
First of all, in Marvel NO ONE is touching Shang-Chi in hand to hand. Second of all, Wells is crazzzzy if he thinks Wolverine can beat Black Panther in a fight. He's like right under Shang-Chi. Its like Shang-Chi, Black Panther, and Iron Fist top 3.
No you were right at first wolverines washing cap people forget wolverine was also a soldier and i doubt caps doing much against the regeneration factor
@@crisknap9635 which is absolute false. Wolverine is one of the best fighters in marvel and he has quick reflexes and enhanced senses. He also has experience over cap since hes been alive longer.
nah i think its like This is a Captain America movie in the sense of it revolving around Captain America and Bucky , it cant be an Avengers movie cause they not The Avengers, theyre Team Iron Man and Team Cap
I love cap but Logan would mop cap up. His metabolism is faster can heal faster and stronger than Steve....not to mention the anamantium claws. Yes he can fight hand to hand lol I don't know what fam on the left talking about. Your taught hand to hand combat in the army
Team cap all the way his captain for a reason they didn’t make him captain for no reason and why would you surrender that kind of power to the government shield was corrupted by hydra
Don't listen to Rob. He just admitted he doesn't watch live action marvel movies, so he definitely isn't reading comics. Wolverine is like almost 200 years old. He was in the army and participated in the civil war, WW1, and WW2. So he has military combat training. He was also a samurai in japan so he knows swordsmanship and martial arts. Wolverine has mad combat skills. Cap has better h2h martial art prowess, but wolverine not no scrub. Also, both Cap and Wolverine have enhanced strength and speed. T'challa and Bucky do too. They're stronger than humanly possible, but they aren't picking up cars and shit.
Dude in yellow jacket and glasses must be smoking something cuz ain't no way wolverine is getting bodies by cap. I'm sorry but wolverine gas years and years of training from being in different wars and combats. He's even capable of regeneration.
Live action Logan is definitely not as good a fighter as Steve and T’challa and he’s not quite as strong. A fight between T’challa and Logan would depend on whether or not Logan’s claws can penetrate the suit. I wish people listened to Steve when he said “What if there’s somewhere we need to go and they don’t let us” They would be waiting more than fighting. The panel would say no far more often than yes. “Relations aren’t super great so you cannot save that country” Then the country get blown up, or the world ends because they weren’t allowed to take action. The governments would rather have no Avengers than have the world be saved by someone they can’t control
@@kaylachanxoeasily. Thor is a god. There’s no way he’d give up his free will to a man made system. Hulk would be team tony because he feels guilty for all the damage he does anyway especially after Africa so he would give it up easily
Bro yall don’t know shit about marvel do you?💀 Black panther maybe one of the best combat fighters in all of marvel and if we’re talking comics he beats Wolverine in a fight without a doubt.
Team cap I ain’t signing that they just going to use them for the dumbest things they had cap in a clown outfit back in his day till he decided to take care of things on his own
thats my favoreite comic book arc in the comics , along with infinity wars sick im team cap of course , always Cap got the best trilogy or group of movies, then the guardians second best
13:15 Rob is straight disrespecting Wolverine, but Wellz don't know nothing about Black Panther. Black Panther is saucing Wolverine, with all due respect. It'll be a tough fight, but T'challa is one of the best martial artist in all of marvel. And his vibranium suit can absorb kinetic energy from punches and kicks, not to mention his claws can damage Logan's adamantium claws.
Black panther loses wolverine claws are strong then black Panthers claws also wolverine knows every martial arts and in a straight up fight black panther is losing, but he black panther can win if he has prep time.
@@jeremiahsmith7706 it can it's been proven dont believe me look up which one is stronger also wolverine has mastered every martial Arts in history due to being so old and has better battle IQ but black panther is smarter and can form plan to win if he preps but in a straight fight wolverine wins been proven so many times by comic book nerds
@@jeremiahsmith7706 you do know saber tooth has the same powers as wolverine but way stronger and skeleton and is just as old as wolverine and skilled but a little less then wolverine so that makes no sense that's like saying black panther loses because killmonger beat him one time and is wayyy weaker then sabertooth
I get where he’s coming from but Captain America is so full of shit. “We can’t sign this. It’ll take away our rights to choose. They’ll send us somewhere we aren’t needed” Didn’t you sign for the military????😂😂😂
Cap was wrong, the Accords were needed and they don't actually handicap the Avengers, as the government couldn't stop the Avengers from acting it the Avengers choose to act. Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, Vision, Scarlet Witch...cannot be contained except by each other. Wolverine can't defeat Black Panther, they have fought several times in the comics and Black Panther always wins. Movie versions of the characters leans even more heavily in favor of Black Panther.
@@kaitlyn8kk it can be a crime all the UN wants, the UN couldn't do anything about it except send in the Avengers on themselves and hope the big hitters don't stand with their team. They absolutely should have signed to just give the world a bit of "peace of mind," as the moment the Avengers decided to act...they could, Accords or no Accords.
Wolverine vs Cap in the comics would be close but I would give a slight edge to Wolverine. He has the ultimate defense and will heal from anything immediately. The films versions of the characters: I can’t see Wolverine matching up to Cap. Cap has casually thrown objects much heavier than Wolverine. And Wolverine in the films has shown very little refined fighting skills.
